A videotaped message from a July 7 jihadist: unless the UK adjusts its foreign policy, there will be more violence. The dhimmis will soon be out in force stating that Blair must do just that in order to restore Peace In Our Time, and not realizing that the jihadists will then just find another pretext and keep coming. From the Telegraph, with thanks to all who sent this in:
It was a chilling warning from the grave, all the more so because of the familiar Yorkshire accent in which it was delivered.In a testament recorded before his death, Mohammad Sidique Khan, the suicide bomber who blew up himself and six innocent people on a Circle Line train near Edgware Road underground station on July 7, warned his fellow countrymen to expect more death and destruction unless the British Government ceased to take part in the oppression of Muslims.
Seated and wearing a headscarf and anorak, the teaching assistant from west Yorkshire was firm but calm as he spoke, apparently with the aid of a script. "I'm going to keep this short and to the point," he began.
"Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood. Therefore, we are going to talk to you in a language you understand."
The "language" involved the deaths of 52 innocent people and the wounding of more than 700 others. Khan, 30, said he expected to be demonised by western propaganda contained in media reports, but that he was nothing more than a soldier fighting an oppressor.
"We are at war and I am a soldier," he said. "Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people and your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.
"Until we feel security, you will be our target. Until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people, we will not stop this fight."
Khan, the respectable family man liked by his neighbours, did not waste his words. His address was only a few minutes long and betrayed no hint of emotion. The date of the video is unknown, but he was true to his word.
The declaration, broadcast on the Arabic network al-Jazeera, was accompanied by footage of Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's deputy in al-Qa'eda.
Providing context, he said the bombings were a "slap" in the face of the policies of Tony Blair - a contradiction of the Prime Minister's assertion that the suicide attacks were not directly linked to British involvement in Iraq.
"Eeeee, by gum lass.
I wor jus't a lad when t'infidels came to mah village in Yorkshire, spreading their hated democracy, freedom, tolerance, freewill & self determination amongst the Muslim faithful."
And still we see & hear the UK's suicidal left naysayers denying that he was a "good Muslim".
When will Emporer Blair & the Emporers in waiting actually realise that they are naked?
In a way Tony Blair was right that the London bombings had nothing to do with Iraq. Iraq was a convenient excuse to kill kaffir infidels as they have been doing for centuries.
And if they were because of Iraq, so what? Did Londoners blame Churchill for the Blitz?
The Telegraph is taking comments on a related article at here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/02/uyourviewvideo.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/02/ixportaltop.html
Here was my humble contribution:
Sirs
I doubt that deep down most people are shocked by this video. Historically Islam has expanded, not by gentle preachers persuading princes to join the faith, but by jihad. A moderate muslim may take issue with this statement but he will not be able to refute the evidence that Mohammed himself was involved in terrorising communities until they either fought back, converted or accepted an inferior status under muslim rule, known as the dhimmi. It is the relentless pressure on non muslims for 1400 years in Arabia, North Africa, the Middle East, Turkey and large swathes of Asia, which has helped expand Islam.
From the point of view Mohammed Sidique Khan, or Osama Bin Laden, their behavior is perfectly reasonable from a theological and historical point of view. What's more, it's a method that works fine. Rarely are ex muslim lands ever returned to non Muslims. Exeptions would be Spain, Bulgaria, parts of the Balkans and of course Israel.
The central issue in this video is the Islamic concept of what is an innocent civilian. In 7th century Arabia and North Africa, towns populated with Jews, Christians, Nestoran Christians, Zoroastrians and numerous other religions were invited to join Islam. The moment they refused, they were no longer innocent. They are guilty of not being muslim. Of course innocent Muslims perished in the 7th of July bombings, but despite this, the cause of Islam has been been advanced and therefore these sacrifices were necessary.
And now that Tony Blair has invited Tarik Ramadan to advise on an anti-terror panel (banned from France and the US for spreading hate), it would be difficult not to conclude that cause of Islam has been advanced in the UK.
Yours Faithfully
Sebastien - Well done.
O.T. I notice that there are plenty of UK posters here. I would like to see if we can harness together enough people who will agree each to buy an anti jihad book to send to an MP at the same time. If we get around 650 JWers, each one could order a book by Robert Spencer, Bat Ye'or or Ibn Warraq to be sent to each MP. I realize that most books will not be read, but some might. MPs meet each other all the time in the Commons bar and some will discuss having received Eurabia, Why I am a Mulsim, or the PIG guide to Islam. Others will have mentioned that they have received a copy but might actually read it, now another MP has mentioned it.
The way this could work is that all those who wish to get involved will be sent an MPs name and address. They will then order the book from Amazon to be delivered at the MP's place of work.
If this idea interests anyone, could they please indicate in this thread and we will find a way to get in touch and take this further. I know someone here once posted an email address to enable JWDW posters to stay in touch but I cannot locate this.
Ordering from Amazon, will of course not be anonymous.
I sure don't understand this man and others like him, don't they care about their own people, they did nothing when their leaders tortured and slaughtered tens of thousands of their men, women and children, and now that we are trying to stop these oppressive leaderships they have the cheek to say that we cause the oppression of Muslims, good gracious, they have done it to themselves for centuries....
I can only come to the conclusion that millions of Muslim are being taught lies and hate, see below a few examples.
What do these countries have in common,, UK, Spain, Tunisia, Iraq, Russia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kenya, Tanzania, Bali, Indonesia, Philippines, USR, Egypt, Britain, etc they have all been struck by terror attacks.
Then there is :
Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Armenia, Macedonia, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Chechnya, Russia, Kashmir, Pakistan, Indonesia and the Philippines and others.
What do they all have in common? In each country or province, there is an ongoing struggle involving Moslems and non-Moslems. Doesn't that say enough to the leaders of the west...Not other religions with anyone, but Muslims with non Muslims????.hmmm
And if their Clerics and teachers dont teach hate towards the infidel, but peace and tollerance to non Muslims, then how does Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Grope Islamique Arme', the international front, Jemaah Islamiyah and others Islamic groups get such a horrific hold????. Is it because although there are verses of peace etc in the Quran, there are also hundreds of verses of hate, terror, torture, and slaughter until all have submitted to Allah. In their eyes they are not terrorists nor radical Muslims, they are just doing what Islam requires of them.
The Quran talks about not hurting the innocent, even Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Zachariah also justified them by saying that the victims were not “innocent” people because they did not abide by strict Islamic laws, thus, as we are not innocent, we can be slaughtered for Allah. thus the hate teaching...
Sebastien- that would be susan_b356@yahoo.com.
Good letter.
"your elected government...against my people. - says it all. So he wasn't British after all.
Sebastien
I have already pointed my MP towards this site and recommended Mr Spencers works. I was planning to send him a copy of The Politically Incorrect Guide when I put my next Amazon order in. A mass mailing might have more effect of course.
If muslims don't believe in democracy, what does that leave. Dictatorship or anarchy. Theological rule is still rule by the most ruthless and those willing to crush opposition. If these muslims in Britain become a large portion of the country what will happen to the fighting forces. They will surely break down. If Britain had to fight against an enemy ally that is a middle east country like in world war II what would happen?
"your elected government...against my people. - says it all. So he wasn't British after all.
Well, yes and no. He probably was a British citizen and enjoyed all the priviliges and benefits provided by this citizenship; and yet, all along, as a member of the muslim ummah, his loyalty lay elsewhere. There are far too many muslims residing in non-muslim countries who are functioning as trojan horses aiming to undermine the country they reside in.
However, we must ask ourselves a question. When exactly will they 'feel security'? His 'people' are being imprisoned in response to their jihadist aggression, not because the jews/christians are waging a war of expansion against Muslims. What he most likely means here is that as long as we continue resisting Islamic expansion, we are a target. Osama and his ilk will only feel security when the whole wide world is under the foot of the caliphate, all non-Muslims are made into dhimmis, and there is no infidel threat to speak of.
That's their security.
But not ours.
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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org
Granny
I don't think that Amazon allows you to split delivery addresses, so the book order will have to be a one book, one delivery address deal.
You are of course right. A coordinated mass mailing would have more effect.
I have written to susanp to enquire how many UK users she has on her lists. If only 20 people are interested then we should limit ourselves to the cabinet, if 40 people then we can include the shadow cabinet. I am particularly interested in targetting the possible future COnservative leaders. Ken Clark, while certainly a great all round bloke badly needs educating and if, God forbid, Gordon Brown ever gets the top post he will require immediate dedhimmification therapy.
I believe that Tony Blair speaks fluent French.A copy of "Notre Frère Tariq" by C Fourest might be a good choice.
If we have 650 people interested, the only question remaining is: who gets to buy a copy for George Galloway? :)
Should this mass book mailing actually succeed, round two could include a mailing to school headmasters...er ... headpersons. Everyone could send a P.I.G. to their ex school headmaster. Then after that, school history teachers...and after that...parish priests...
Basically all those who have the power to influence.
who gets to buy a copy for George Galloway?
As my family on my fathers side are from Bethnal Green and went back there to before 1805 (my mother's are from nearby Shoreditch, and I was born in Hackney, many many moons ago) I baggsy first go! ! ! !
Sending a P.I.G. to George Galloway is like pearls before swine, an second hand copy of the Koran, only flushed once would be more to his taste.
Granny, O.T. Take a look at the Booth Poverty map from on a link from this page here if you haven't seen it already
http://www.victorianlondon.org/frame-maps.htm
You may find out quite about about your 19th century Bethnal Green ancestors
The power to influence belongs to the media. TV, print, radio. Start with them.
What happened to Pim Fortyn and Kirby-Silk? Oh, yeah, killed and canned.
BTW the gay lobby, though busy with themselves, are pretty powerful.
Politicians are too fearful to act until the media stops bashing them. The non-reading voters are influenced heavily by Tv. Start there.
Sebastien
Thank you for that link. I have copies of some of the maps but the SANITARY RAMBLINGS BEING
SKETCHES AND ILLUSTRATIONS OF BETHNAL GREEN 1848 contains a very interesting description of the street where my grandmothers grandmother was born. The street is still there but is now an estate of flats. Once my father retired in 1984 I have no other relatives in Bethnal Green, and just a few in Shoreditch. What is your interest?
Borg. The media have the blogosphere, which attempts brings them to task 24 hours a day. It seems to have very little effect as the hacks, mostly function in varying degrees of the mindset of bush=hitler, mohammed=buddha relativities. Tim Sebastien of Hard Talk on BBC News 24 was brilliant. He is no longer presenting the programme. Stephen Sackur and Zina Bedawi (sp)might as well be on Al Jazeera and sending them books would be a complete waste of money.
The thread of August 24th at http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/ where Paul Reynolds from the BBC actually answered some of the charges against him shows what arrogance you are up against. These people are not just interested in facts.
The main point of sending books to MPs however is that they all work in the same place and do talk with each other. The British parliamentary whip system, where an MP has close links with an opposition MP (in order to agree that they would vote differently and therefore neither of them vote) forges quite interesting cross party relationships.
Of course there is no guarantee that anyone would bother to even pick up the book, let alone read it but MPs minds can be changed if they feel the public would respond.
MP's get lobbied by Islamic apolgists constantly. We shouldn't we do the same?
"Politicians are too fearful to act until the media stops bashing them. The non-reading voters are influenced heavily by Tv. Start there."
Mrs Thatcher got bashed 24 hours a day. She still won 3 elections.
Granny. I am a Londoner by birth and studied down the road at Mile End. More importantly I just love history. I found the Booth map fascinating because the areas which were poor 150 years ago are the same areas which are poor today.
Ever notice how those who are attached to history are the sometimes the ones most committed to the anti jihad cause.
I have Iranian colleagues at work. I won't discuss religion with them but I do talk a lot about Persepolis and those evil Greeks who chased Darius around the Indus Valley. One colleague now takes his daughter to the Louvre to see Persian artifacts. I consider this a ever so slight result. Ibn Warraq mentions great Persian poets of the early Islamic period. I copied the relevant pages of "Why I am not a Muslim" and gave them to a colleague with the same name as of the poets.
If an individual wishes raise the point that Islam is as savage as we were in the year 1450, I point them to Van Eyck, Chaucer or Canterbury Cathedral. If it's a woman who brings up the same point, I give her the option of living in 15th century England or 21st century Egypt.
Deep down many people know the truth. History just helps them join the dots.
Funny how almost any time you find terrorism there's a guy named Mohammed connected with it......
Sebastien, yes I know the bbc is hopeless. Is not the director married to a muslim. So I heard. With Zana Bedauwi, Michelle Hussein, Stephen Sacker and even Mark Hembly (the dolts). Reporters like Orla Geurin. Avoid them. I was thinking of other Tv people. Just in addition to your suggestions, not instead of.
Mrs. Thatcher spoke beautifully and charmed many. And is it just me or are they pronouncing words lately with inflections that are way off? Picking up a little of the Arabic accenting of the last syllable instead of the normal English.
Regarding the women choosing between the 15th and 21st century. I am sick of hearing how Mo made things better for women. Going from female infanticide to keeping them alive to be slaves because he realized their financial and sexual worth may be smart and "uplifting" but not kind. I can't believe that dark ages Europe was doing female infanticide. I would like to know if in your history studies you have ever seen such proof. I'm not talking about re-written pc history, REAL history.
Yeah, Bohemond1069, even Mo wasn't Mo until he started his terror campaign for conquest.
I had suggested the gay lobby because they absolutely can't help but see their future if they read Mr. Spencer's book.
There are two reasons why so many of those of us attached to history are committed to anti-jihad.
One, the more we know about it's roots the more we appreciate and admire our own culture, whatever that culture. Plus there is the respect for one's ancestors.
Second, what you learn from history of how totalitarian regimes work, in general and (the one) in particular.
But as scientists would not function at all within Islam, and theologians would get short shrift, likewise artists and musicians. Linguists would be urged to concentrate on Arabic. We all have our good reasons to protect.
The laws in the Middle Ages may have looked draconian, especially for women, but women like Dame Julian of Norwich, the wife of Bath (I know she was fictional, but she and all of Chaucers characters were drawn from life) and Black Agnes did not exist in a vacumn.
I have never heard of female infanticide in our civilisation. Apart from being sujected to endless troubadours in the time of Eleanor of Aquitaine I don't think women had it too badly. and the fictional Wife of Bath had more lovers than Diana.
Granny. Agreed 100%. Churchill was a historian and understood the currents of history. He was far sighted enough to view the anglosphere as a kind of Greater Britain. He also understood what brought about this civilization. All of our politicians appear to have sat the modern GCSE history exam with questions like 'What did Anne Bolyn feel as she stepped up to the chopping block?'
With no history or no religion, how can people be expected to feel any kind of connection with the past or other civilizations when they walk around Notre Dame or Dover Castle?
Sorry Borg I had missed your earlier reference to the gay lobby. You are absolutely right, Peter Tatchell who may be pain at times certainly doesn't lack courage. I am thinking of the occasion when he tried to do a citizen's arrest on Robert Mugabe. When gays get attacked for specifically being gay, rather than just for being infidels, then they will join us.
Meanwhile. Is anyone actually interested in a coordinated book campaign for MPs? :)
Are any school kids reading them anymore though? Or Voltaire, Scott or Dante? I don't think so. They only read books that "bash" the last 50 years or so decisions. All designed to instill guilt. Speaking of bashing I do think it is interesting to note that author George Orwell lived in southasia. His "two minute hate" and "Down with Big Brother" screaming reminds me of what happens there on Friday's, don't you think? Although it was supposed to be more akin to Nazi-think Orwell's Doublethink could certainly apply to that area of the world. "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." (Like Mo was peaceful as he killed.) Orwell's slogans -War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, could be applied too. Allah's war means peace. Burn all books, keep the Koran it's all we need to be strong.
Gah... dont waste ur money on sending the book Galloway, his brain is beyond repair. BTW Can anybdy lend me a copy of any of Mr.Spencer's books, my dad wont lemme buy any book relating to Islam...
V C -I would suggest the library, but the ones near me don't have the recent one because it didn't get reviewed by the "right" people so they won't purchase it. They won't accept it as a donation either for the same reason. But you sure could try where you are.
Sebastien, how would you suggest to organize it? Being anonymous and all?
I have already bought several and given them out, but I can tell you they haven't been read.
Borg. It would work like this.
All those who wish to get involved provide an email adress. They will then be sent a name and address of an MP.
When we have accumulated enough people have accepted this, a date can fixed when everyone will order the book on Amazon.
They can of course send the book to the MP of their choice if no one else has done so.
Bear in mind that the MP will be aware of the name of the person who paid for the book. Should you wish complete anonymity then order the book for yourself and forward it anonymously in a brown envelope to your selected MP. MP's tend to open brown envelopes rather quickly.
It's stunning in its simplicity. We'll be celebrating Christmas in the Hagia Sophia by 2010.
Perhaps you could gather the list in order of importance of who might be interested (history buff) and willing to read. Take a poll if you're not sure. Announce that it (list of names and addresses) will be posted on a specific date. Then willing posters could claim their number 1, 2, 3 on the post with a weekly repost or cut and past to the article with a weekly update of how far down the list we are. All the while staying anonymous. Mr. Spencer would have to agree or a link to a fellow blogger. How's that sound?
The West's flirtation with islam recalls a friend's observation from long ago:
"Havoc, you're going steady with Loretta, but she ain't going steady with you."
And, of course, the friend was absolutely correct. I was besotted with puppy love.
In a similar vein, the West insists that islam is a religion of peace while every jihadi boasts, even from the grave, that his predations are carried out in the name of islam.
As a callow youth, I had an excuse. (When Loretta was good - she was very good!)
What is the West's excuse? islam Is never good.
Sebastien and GrannyW:
FYI, Galloway is slated to debate Christopher Hitchens at some university or another in NY City on or about September 14.
Damn those Islamonazis to hell. Them bombs hit places I knew well and the only people I feel for as the people hurt/killed on that day.
A shame our PM lacks the balls to throw out the preachers of death.
Dig the site, really cool.
Fair enough, I'm up for a bit of postage. Not sure if my local MP can read though.
Not sure if my local MP can read though.
HAHAHA
heh, I just figured out that HTML gizmo to italisize...geez...I'm slow but steady.
So we have two suggestions on the board, which way or do we have a third?
Serious as this is my mind did boggle at the description "Seated and wearing a headscarf and anorak," Who did he think he was? Nora Batty or Hilda Ogden?
Sebastien or anyone else...
Any favorite blogs out there? I've looked at the sites listed on the main page. Any others? I don't get out much...into the blogosphere.
No Granny he is Allah's SLAVE. And as such, considered himself VERY important, I'm sure.
Borg, here are a few links
http://answering-islam.org/
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
http://p197.ezboard.com/ftheantijihadforumfrm1
http://www.danielpipes.org/
http://www.debka.com/
http://www.foehammer.net/
http://haganah.us/haganah/index.html
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
http://www.jtf.org/
http://www.memri.org/index.html
http://www.meforum.org/
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
As i said that is just a few of my favorites.
Who was it that used to post the links? It wasn't Ibn Rushed was it?
Ali Dashti, of course! How soon we forget (sorry Ali) We miss your posts.
So there is yet another cretinous, insane, duped moslem pagan searching through hell for his 40 virgin camels or goats or whatever. numbat
OUTRAGE is a prominent gay organisation in the UK who have already campaigned against Mayor Ken Livingstone's invititation to London of a radical Muslim preacher (Tariq Ramadam's mentor) who calls for gays to be killed. Salman Rushdie is also being very vocal at the moment and a whole slot on "HardTalk" was devoted to him. I read in this week's The Jewish Chronicle that the BBC is at last agreeing to set up a committee to investigate it's anti-Israel, pro Muslim bias over the past few years.
Eeeh, so I'll put the whippet in tut shed, put on mah cap on and go down tut London ta blow m'self oop. That'll teach tut infidels.