Sorry to be a Glass-Half-Empty guy again, but what took you so long, Sheikh Abdul? Saudis have been streaming into Iraq for over two years now. But of course, this declaration was prompted by Zarqawi's declaration of war against the Shia. It isn't so much the jihad against non-Muslims that upsets him; he just wants to defend Iraqi Sunnis. From AKI, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Jeddah, 19 Sept. (AKI) - Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Asheikh, Saudi Arabia's grand mufti, has spoken out against those seeking to sow civil war in neighbouring Iraq. "Adding to the bloodshed and murder of innocents by planes and bombs are attempts by suspicious parties to trigger sectarian tension between the people of Iraq,” said Al-Asheikh who was quoted by the Arab News daily.These jihadists were trying to stoke intra-religious clashes “to serve the aims of the enemies conspiring against Muslims,” al-Asheikh argued. Al-Qaeda's number one in Iraq, the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, declared an all-out war against Shiites in an audio recording posted to the Internet last week.
Besides al-Asheikh, Iraq’s main Sunni Arab religious authority, the Committee of Muslim Scholars, has also condemned al-Zarqawi’s declaration.
"These jihadists were trying to stoke intra-religious clashes “to serve the aims of the enemies conspiring against Muslims,” al-Asheikh argued. Al-Qaeda's number one in Iraq, the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, declared an all-out war against Shiites in an audio recording posted to the Internet last week."
What exactly is the Grand Mufti implying here? That the jihaddists are agents of the usual suspects who conspire against Islam (the US and little Satan Israel). It sure doesn't sound like he's condemning the folks who finance the jihad and supply the cannon fodder.
waterdragon52 wrote: What exactly is the Grand Mufti "implying" here?
I do no get that far. What exactly is he "saying"? Perhaps after more people are innocently butchered by intending Moslems the Mufti will carefully articulate who the Mufti is criticizing. Are people to die because the Grand Mufti fails articulate clearly? Why has he said anything? What is a suspious party? Is such a party described in the Koran or Haddith? Why did the Mufti not demand the round up of the usual "suspects?"
Before, or at least while, history is rewritten, and the Americans and other Infidels somehow blamed for any future Sunni-Shi'a clash, let's get it straight. For 1300 years or so the Sunnis have been attacking the Shi'a. The doctrine of "taqiyya" originates in the Shi'a attempt to protect themselves not from Infidels, but from Sunnis. Many Sunni Muslims talk of "Muslims and Shi'a" with the latter not exactly read out of Islam altogether, but not quite in.
In Pakistan the Shi'a have for decades been attacked by Sunnis -- we just haven't, in the outside world, been noticing.
In Iraq itself, as Gertrude Bell's Letters from the 1920s make clear, the Shi'a were not happy, were distinctly unhappy, with having to endure a Sunni-dominated government. That Sunni-dominated government never did play fair either with the Kurds, or with the Shi'a. Now the Shi'a, being the poorer group, have outbred (as poorer people tend to) the Sunnis, and their share of the population has steadily increased. They endured mass murder by Saddam Hussein and his Sunni-officer-led forces in 1991, and before, and also after.
If they have refrained from major counterattack, it is for two reasons. One, the Americans are there to attack the Sunnis, and to take casualties for them -- if possible, let the Americans do it. Second, the whole martyrdom business upon which Shi's Islam rests, martyrdom-cum-inshallah-fatalism, powerfully works against taking action. But this is not universally true. Shi'a clerics can be far from passive when it comes to acknowledged Infidels -- see the speech of Ayatollah Khomeini (way back in 1942) about the duty, both a business and a pleasure, of killing Infidels. Not exactly the counsel of a Buddhist monk.
Why note all this now? Because the Americans will, and should, soon leave -- in a month, after the October referendum, or in December, after the elections, or when it finally becomes obvious even to Bush that this "staying the course" business makes no sense, and intelligent rulers are constantly changing course, turning the wheel of the ship of state to avoid now this iceberg, and that sudden storm, this way, and now that. In the midst of World War II, all sorts of plans were changed depending on changed circumstances. It was during the disastrous World War I that no one changed course, that everyone sat in the trenches, and died, died, died, to no good effect.
And after they do, after the Sunnis and Shi'a are left alone with each other, all sorts of things may happen. And not one of them will have been America's fault. For right up until now, the American effort has been -- innocently, obstinately, crazily, stupidly, self-defeatingly -- to create a new "Iraq," to create an "Iraqi" army, and an "Iraqi" people. This is a dream, based on meetings with a handful of the most unrepresenative, advanced, westernized, clever, and charming, almost entirely Shi'a Iraqis (Allawi, Rend al-Rahim Francke, Chalabi, Kanan Makiya) who spent much time abroad, and who themselves may have more in common with the slightly more secular bent of the Ba'athist Sunnis, and who have downplayed entirely the sectarian resentments which grew and grew under Saddam Hussein. It is true that because that despot's regime was so terrifying, and in reverse-Coueism, got worse every day in every way, that the Sunnis who suffered from him but now have started to regret not him, but the overthrow of a Sunni-dominated regime, and dread their perceived loss of power, influence, and money. While Saddam Hussein was bullying and murdering, sectarian resentments could be directed at the regime, and also held in check by that same regime. As soon as that regime was ended, and as soon as it became clear that no other Sunni-dominated regime would replace it, everything changed. It was not a diabollical plot of the Americans. Not at all.
In fact, to pluck this nettle victory from the current situation in Iraq can only happen if what victory must mean is kept in mind. What does "victory" mean? It must mean -- something that helps to diminish the power of Islam, the appeal of Islam, the triumphalism of Islam, the superficial unity of Islam. And how can that be best achieved in Iraq? By American force of arms? No, by Americans leaving -- as quickly as possible.
What will then happen? No one knows. Perhaps lions will settle down with lambs. Perhaps the lion over here, in this part of the veldt, becomes a lamb over there, or at least a gazelle, and vice-versa. Perhaps everything will settle down, just as the Administration apparently things would be a Good Thing. Perhaps there will be years of tension, with nothing settled. Perhaps there will be open warfare, but limited to the forces within Iraq. Perhaps there will be open warfare, steadily widening, with aid coming in from both Iran, on one side, and Sunni Arab states on the other. Who cares? As long as the tensions remain, and the fissures remain and widen, that is a good thing.
And while the two kinds of Arabs are battling it out, this may be the time for a free Kurdistan to be declared. and to be seen by one and all to have a certain amount of "protection" from an America that at long last realizes not the morality of the whole business, but the geopolitical sense that the attainment of independence by any non-Arab Muslim people, who have endured the Arab supremacist ideology within Islam, will mean for weakening Islam, at a time when it needs to be visibly weakend, divided, and demoralized.
But this will be achieved not by design, but by accident -- by finally realizing, after a few years of squandering resources, that Iraq cannot be made into a model anything, that if it were to become a model anything the mere attempt would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of lives, the destruction of the National Guard and Reserves, the demoralization of all the thinking members of the regular army, and in the general population, an increase in the unwillingness to fight at all, in any way, against the instruments of Jihad, at the very moment when resolution, not collapse, is called for.
Perhaps stumble-bumming its way finally to escape from the clutches of its own rhetoric that puruses it, the Administration will get out -- and it will be a sweet victory, for none of its traditional detractors will have any justification, given as they are on record as having again and again urged the Americans to leave, to turn around and now insist that they stay.
But that won't stop them from trying.
Anybody notice the Grand Mufti said "adding to the bloodshed by planes and bombs...."
The terrorists in Iraq have no planes. This must've been a reference to the US Air Force.
"Adding to the bloodshed and murder of innocents by planes and bombs..." He's talking aboue the US forces guys and dolls, and buying into the lie that the US is killing Muslim women and children with bombing as reported by Al Jazeera and other Arabic news. Again we see that the Islamic interpretation of "innocents" only applies to Muslims. When he says "attempts by suspicious parties" he's implying that the suicide bombers are Jews, and certainly not Saudis or Muslims. Gotta learn Muzzyspeak to know what the enemy is really saying....
Maybe it has something to do with what the Iraqi President said here in the USA about the arab news helping the islamic terrorist killing the Iraqi people??
Maybe it has something to do with all the saudi islamic terorist we have killed in Iraq ??
maybe the saudis are starting to see the American are not as stupid as they thought??
Maybe Bush's buttons have finaly been pushed??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM,SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
Where oh where is goat boy??
I think he is in Chenchnea?Why? Look @ his hands he is some where cold no tan?? Look @ who airs his tape ABC weren't they kicked out of Russia? Look @ his Burlap same as #2s last video?? They had to put out something in English because no intrenst in #2s the people are not afraid but getting really pissed!! and look how the CIA is not jumping on this tape??
More Islamic Terrorist Dead today!! Seams we found some rabbit holes!!
Like Rabbits they ran!!
Why would iran be upset about being refured to the UN=LON=AL??
Remember I will curse those who Cruse you and Bless those who Bless you
Romans 9:6-9
6; But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel.
not are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham but, In Isaac your seed shall be called [remember ishmal]
That is those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God but the children of the promised are counted as the seed
For this is the word of promise at this time I will come to Sarah shall have a son
One gets to develop, in listening to Muslim voices, a third ear: its not what they say, because that is totally unreliable, whether it be lies, taqiyya, bad things or pleasant statements; its not how they say it, because it is usually angry or upset - and that seems to be endemic with the religion of peace; but its rather how is the speaker trying to influence or manipulate you,
and here the analysis better be good, because your life depends on it.
May the House of Saud be destroyed.
He has 2 worries and is filling his time:
1. He is now a legitimate of the Saudi Arabian shiites, who should be armed immediately to protect themselves from the returning sunni jihadis.
2. He knows the muslims have fallen out of favor with allah who sent the mecca earthquake last monday as a warning. The next one will be stronger.
Other:
Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh, was the first to declare a ban on March 25th against Pokemon alleging that it promotes gambling and contains Zionist symbols.
In a statement in which he does not mince his words, the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia has warned of dire consequences if women are allowed to remove the veil in public and mix with men.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3417739.stm
In any event he is little among the clerics e.g.:
Recently, at the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Sheikh Abdul-Rahman al-Sudais gave a sermon, broadcast live, in which he prayed to Allah to "terminate" Jews, "the scum of humanity, the rats of the world, prophet killers, pigs, and monkeys."
http://www.peacenow.org/nia/news/remnick0502.html
(1) above should be:
He is now a legitimate `target` of the Saudi Arabian shiites, who should be armed immediately to protect themselves from the returning sunni jihadis.