Al-Jazeera TV Special: The Israeli Mossad Was Involved in the 9/11 Attacks

Yes, I remember seeing the Mossad agents dancing. I believe it was a line dance. They will be appearing in the near future on the TV reality program "Dancing with the Stars".. Should be a great competition with John O’Hurley.

Let me guess....the footage of "palestinians" dancing in the streets were really Israeli's who had rented out a gaza slum and disguised themselves as peaceful "palestinians" in order to further the zionist cause, I'll just bet they had casting calls and big time broadway producer too. How much longer will they carry these ridiculous conspiricy theories on?

Sorry to throw a wet blanket on a vital part of this story, but I believe in searching for truth, that the vast preponderance of truth is with Robert and the 2 Watches, but that along with the Moslems celebrating in NJ, there were Jews from Israel who, at the very least, acted suspiciously. This had some brief coverage in the days after 911. I followed all stories obsessivly, after having seen the twin towers fall firsthand. This ws there- then gone.

The Sunday Herald of England reported this in detail on Nov. 2, 2003.

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

The conclusions aren't pretty, and they don't involve Jewish complicity in the 911 attacks.

I live in Bergen County NJ. The Police Chief quoted is the Police Chief. Names are named, people are quoted.

See the links at the bottom of the page to see where it was picked-up, and wonder why it was not picked-up more widely.

I believe that, ultimately the word of the "Watches" will get out. More people will be read and be influenced by Robert's book. But the waters are not completely clear. And, generally, "the truth will out in the end."

Ah of course. It's the Jews. We should have known.

Bohemond, please read both my words and the article.

Sarcasm often masks lack of effort to understand.

Our cause is better served by honest reflection, than by reflex.

If anything, Robert's work allows me to answer the mainstream liberal multi-culturalist arguement with information and integrity.

Integrity is gained through appreciating that not everything we wish were so, is.

I urge people to read the article before commenting on my note.

Thanks.

yardbird,

That is a disturbing story. I don't think anyone would argue that there were and are Israeli intellegence operatives in the US. I'm wondering why it took until Nov. 2003 for this story to surface however.

yardbird:

That story about the Israelis watching the towers burn from New Jersey has been so stretched out of shape as to bear no resemblence to the truth. A recent documentary film by Marc Levin, "The Protocols of Zion" exposes this story as nothing more than an urban legend perpetuated by many individuals who prefer blood libels to accepting that there is a very significant percentage of the Muslim population around the world who really do seek to reduce the non-Muslim world to dhimmi status. The fact that it was picked up by a newpaper two years after the fact and dropped by rational people says volumes about this allegation of Mossad/Israeli involvement. And chiefs of police, however we'd like to believe otherwise, can often be dupes.

Did it ever occur to you that if, in fact, the Mossad/Israelis were physically present -- which is possible -- that the Israelis have at least as much at stake in this as the US and their presence would have been for counter-terrorism purposes, not to instigate terror?

Yardbird is correct this is a disturbing story. And anyone including the yardbird who believes it is disturbed. Very disturbed.

For its part, the Israeli Ha'aretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested five Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building. The FBI had arrested the five for "puzzling behavior". They are said to have been caught videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.htm

Reuters rejects as utterly baseless an allegation being circulated by e-mail and the Internet claiming that it circulated 10-year-old videotape to illustrate Palestinians celebrating in the wake of the September 11 tragedies in the United States.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm

The US administration would rather support the palis.

I can`t locate it now. But the 5 jews were freed cos they were in actual fact on a location shoot for which they had prior approval - something like that.

There were indeed those who had advanced knowledge of the impending attacks.

http://www.insightmag.com/media/paper411/news/269873.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/14/miami-club.htm

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/42474_subpoena12.shtml

JLP

I also remember those horrifying scenes of the "jenin massacre"....terrible how the IDF deliberatly targeted women and children and how there were "tens of thousands" of bodies lining the streets....oh wait that turned out not to be true also didnt it?

To Behemond and others,

Because I have not posted here before today, and because my post is controversial, I'll give a bit of contect to my vantage point.

I have known Islam for many years- not simply since 911, as, I assume, is the case for many here.

Although I was give a copy of the Koran over 20 years ago, I never read much of it until after 911.

In the late '90's I read the book,
Islamic Life and Thought," by Seyyed Hossein Nasr, written in Tehran in '78, and published here by SUNY Press, Albany, NY. I recommend it to anyone who wants to see an extremely well-written explication of Islamic thought, from a brilliant author, unhampered by the need to be politically correct (the case after 911).

On page 18 he states the basic Islamic view of non-Moslems. "Human rights are, according to the Shariah, a consequence of human obligations and not their antecedent. We posess certain obligations towards God, nature and other humans, all of which are delineated by the Shariah...Those who do not fulfil these obligations have no legitimate rights, and any claims of freedom they make upon the environment or society is illegitimate and a usurpation of what does not belong to them..."

Complicating my horrified reaction to this very clear statement is the fact that I am quite close to the Moslem person who married into my family, and see that marriage as one not only of true equality, but as one of the strongest in my generation of family and friends.

For reasons that will become clear, I will be vague about certain relationships.

Since my "enlightenment" about various aspects of Islam I have had many discussions, sometimes very heated, with the Moslems in my extended family. I find holding my deep caring for them to be, at times, an agonizing counterpart to my awareness of Islam that started after reading Nasr, long before 911.

And it gets more complicated, because some of my relatives hold positions of high political power in the Islamic world- so I get occasional glimpses into a world rarely seen by outsiders.

The bottom line: I am a staunch defender of Israel's right to exist with secure borders and a faith-based democracy. My relatives are not- hence some knock-down drag-outs. But I don't believe for a second that Israel is always perfect, or always our "best friend." Anyone who believes that there is a country anywhere that has not made mistakes, in the belief that self-interest necessitated their actions, is naieve, at best.

I do not know if the story I linked is "true." But I'm not so quickly dismissive of it as some of the posters here.

Possibly, an otherwise good friend, acted in a way that we would prefer not to see. Wishing it were not so doesn't change that. I don't believe the reporter on that story lied, which is what you'd have to believe in order to discount it fully.

The truth, like my relationship with my family, is sometimes very uncomfortable. Those who prefer their answers simple, who are not willing to bear the pressure of honest inquiry, make the survival of Democracy, and our culture, less likely.

If you have read this far, thanks.

One last message,

To the one who connected the Sunday Herald story with Jenin- that's your connection, not mine. They don't belong together. Jenin was a necessary millitary operation that was shamelessly distorted by liberals and Moslems worldwide. I'm on "your side" about that one.

To the ones who would connect the Sunday Herald story with the 4k Jews stayed away from work scam- that's also your connection, not mine.

To those whose messages bordered on an ad hominem attack- that behavior might will you some "cool" points, but far more important is the ability to get your message out to those who don't yet believe. That kind of behavior hurts, not helps. I have planted seeds of doubt in many liberal minds because I don't attack, I respect their right to believe what they believe, and I give clear and convincing evidence for my beliefs. Every liberal I've spoken to has later said that what they thought they had known before talking with me was imcomplete, and that what I said will make them question themselves and what they hear. That is where the battle will be won, not in simplistic attacks.

And to those who can tolerate the sometimes unnerving and unwelcime complexities of sorting truth from myth, while championing Robert's cause- keep the faith, because we are the ones who actually do change mind to our side.

Respectfully,

Yardbird

Yardbird: I enjoyed reading your posts.

YardBird,

Excellent posts. I thought the Nasr quote was well chosen. Please stick around and continue to share your unique perspective with the rest of us.

Given time, these Mohammedan camel & caravan stories will continue to spread and confuse those who want to believe, and there are many of those who prefer belief over fact, who prefer conspiracy theories and Arabian fairy-tales...

The war against this enemy can not be won when a nation is not united. Disinformation, propaganda spread by the enemy and gobbled up by gullible fools in the West will seriously impact on our ability to act.

We should not, we must not allow that to happen.

Yes, indeed. There were those with prior knowledge, those that received "hints" of an impending attack, but foolishly they either didn't care, were too arogant to believe, or had another agenda...

Reed and others -- including Uruguayan Rafael Ulloa who says aliens in spaceships spirited away people from New York's twin towers in the September 11, 2001, attacks ....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051005/od_nm/peru_ufos_dc;_ylt=Ao_55vE3zESA_nNTeQjlZ7kZ.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA4cmUwbnA1BHNlYwMxNzAy

It's been very interesting for me to have seen the reactions to my initial post. A bit saddening, too. While some can tolerate the honest presentation of information they don't like to hear, and react thoughtfully, the majority simply link it to something else- space aliens, obvious and proven shams (eg Jenin) etc. and think these linksges magically somehow justify their casual dismissals. Perhaps the dismissives are simply not old or experienced enough to have seen cruelty or deceit in our (US) ralations with other countries, or in theirs towards us (Johnathan Pollard comes to mind), or perhaps their world view remains simplistic, the better to tell the "bad guys" from the "good."

My fear regarding the necessary work of reaching and changing minds in this country is that the dismissives amongst us don't have the vocabulary or the integrity to relate honestly with those who need to understand new truths. I hear a lot about the "moonbats" of the left. What do we call the equivalent on the right? And how to keep them from screwing up such an important task?

Any takers?

I`m the one who posted the one on aliens which is dismissed as ` the majority simply link it to something else- space aliens`.

I hope you will appreciate the fact that i`m not from the US. Neither am i from Europe. You will appreciate the fact that those space alien claims are your own americos.
Our problems are not with the US. They are with those who conduct the jihad. If you really want to reach out, then one way you could do that is distribute copies of the books by Mr. Spencer and Br. Andrew Bostom.
Incidentally weren`t those `moonbats` created by your very fine educational institutions. Just like jihadists.

Yardbird:

Pollard's sharing of US intelligence with Israeli intelligence is a far cry from the suggestion that Israeli intelligence would have anything to do with aiding and abetting Islamists in a terror operation or, as so many Muslims and anti-Semites would have us believe, be the actual perps.

I'm sure there are Israeli intelligence operatives in many countries, especially those that have terror cells. Israeli intelligence's first duty is to protect Israeli citizens, but it's never, ever, to harm innocent civilians anywhere.

Although I understand your purpose was not to offend, the very allegation that Israelis would rejoice at the sight of a terror attack on anyone is offensive. Yes, they were elated when Arafat finally died, but, despite a recent, completely uncorroborated story circulated by an Arab reporter working for AP to the effect that some IDF forces danced a hora to celebrate retaliating against Hamas rocket fire, that's simply not how Israelis behave. There were people who represented themselves as witnesses to the Israeli crew who claimed they looked like they were overjoyed, but the verity of their claims, per Levin's film, just wasn't there.

Water,

From:
http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/1999/01/jonathan_pollar.php

"Pollard caused enormous damage to US national security. He gave Israel top secret US military, intelligence, and diplomatic codes; names of nearly one hundred of US agents in the Mideast, who were then ‘turned’ by Israel; NSA code- breaking techniques and targets; intercepts of foreign communications; and US war-fighting plans for the Mideast.
According to CIA sources, Pollard provided Israeli intelligence with names of important American agents inside the former Soviet Union and Russia who had supplied information on East Bloc weapons and war plans. How the agent’s names were linked to the secrets they supplied - a major breach of basic intelligence security - remains a major mystery. Some of the enormously sensitive secrets stolen by Pollard were reportedly either sold, or bartered, by Israel to the Soviet Union.
A number of key CIA agents in the East Bloc were reportedly executed as a result of Pollard spying. KGB likely gained access to top-secret US codes - either directly from Israel, or through spies in Israel’s government. In short, Pollard’s treachery caused one of the worst security disasters in modern American history."

As to the issue of Israelis not "celebrating" destruction like Moslems do with great regularity- I agree with you, fully. Though not Jewish myself, I have frequently been struck with the respect I have seen in the Jewish community for all people, even, in certain circumstances, enemies. IF what that woman said in NJ following 911 is accurate at all, and if so regarding the behavior of the men she reputedly saw, I would see that as a severe aberration from behavior I expect from Jews. Had they been Moslem, it would have been behaviour I would have expected.

One last word on the Pollard case- if US intelligence operatives in the Soviet Union were liqwuidated as the result of Israel having given Pollard's intellighece to the SU, who knows how many additional lives were lost. Pollard makes my case exactly. Very sensitive info was passed to our enemy by our Friends, resulting in an untold number of deaths, both directly and indirectly.

Respectfully,

Yardbird

Pollard`s sin is a pit in the ocean of this:

CIA worked in tandem with Pak to create Taliban”
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/taliban.htm

American policies did cause great damage to India.
CIA in India
http://www.namebase.org/main1/CIA-in-India.html

Meanwhile the US has not returned the spy who India wants back. Is this how the US treats its allies.
Embarassing!!

Pollard`s sin is a pit in the ocean of this:

CIA worked in tandem with Pak to create Taliban”
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/taliban.htm

American policies did cause great damage to India.
CIA in India
http://www.namebase.org/main1/CIA-in-India.html

Meanwhile the US has not returned the spy who India wants back. Is this how the US treats its allies.
Embarassing!!