From the Times Online, with thanks to treehugger:
ONE MAN was killed after violence flared in Birmingham last night following a week of racial tension after it was claimed a 14-year-old Jamaican girl had been raped by an Asian gang. Hundreds of youths ran through the streets of the Lozells area of the city attacking motorists and lines of riot police after a meeting between police and community leaders.Tension was high after rumours circulated that the girl had been attacked by 19 Asian men but had not gone to police because she is in Britain illegally and feared deportation.
The meeting was intended to reassure the black community and appeal for the girl to come forward. But it is understood a gang of up to 30 Asian youths began throwing stones at some of the 300 people attending the meeting in a church.
Violence then broke out with bricks and bottles thrown at a line of riot police. Cars were set on fire, an ambulance was attacked and shop windows smashed as youths wielding baseball bats ran amok. The dead man, black and in his twenties, was stabbed to death.
Three men were arrested and at least a further 10 were taken to hospital, three suffering from stab wounds and two, including a policeman, having been shot with a ball-bearing gun.
A woman reporter, Alex Thompson, described being attacked in her car: “They were a large group, more than 100 hooded youths with baseball bats running through the streets. They hit my car with the bats and kicked it. They also attacked other motorists.”
India Murray, landlady of the Union Inn in Gerrard Street, said the violence began at 6pm and the pub’s windows were smashed. She locked herself and her customers inside. “Whoever is here is in here because there are no taxis coming, so they can’t leave,” she said.
The area is close to where Letisha Shakespeare, 17, and Charlene Ellis, 18, were shot dead outside a kebab shop in January 2003.
The Telegraph says there may be two dead.
As I said on an earlier thread, it would be a mistake to pre-judge what has happened here. Of course 'Asian' is being used as PC-speak for 'Muslim'. However, the '100 hooded youths with baseball bats running through the streets' may be Asian, or they may be Jamaican. Black on Black or Asian on Black racism has traditionally been underreported, with the focus being on racism of whites.
Regarding the alleged sexual assault, this is simply too uncertain to draw any conclusions about the dhimmi reactions of the police, if indeed that is the point being made by posting this. The alleged victim has not even been identified, and if she is an illegal immigrant, it is very unlikely that she will be.
A further unpleasant aspect of this case is a boycott proposed by an outfit called 'Ligali' of 'Asian' businesses, 'in support of our Birmingham cousins'. 'Asian' in this context will cover Hindus and Sikhs, and is in any case grossly unfair. It seems clannish, uncivilised behaviour is not being confined to any one community.
In short, I think the only conclusive evidence of dhimmitude is the reluctance to spell out 'Muslim', and instead to use 'Asian'.
(For clarification, 'Asian' in Britain denotes people from the Indian sub-continent, not people from the Far East.)
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/10/riots-flare-in-birmingham-over-alleged.html
This wasn't a "race riot" as the British newspeak claims. "South Asians" means Muslims from Pakistan and Bangladesh, attacking non-Muslims as usual. It doesn't matter whether the infidels are black, white or Asian:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1470573.stm
2001: Removing Birmingham's racial divisions
Mr Mahmood believes that race relations have vastly improved over the years. The city is no longer divided along racial lines. The 1991 census showed that about 20% of Birmingham's population came from minority ethnic groups. Since then, that figure has grown significantly, with ethnic minorities expected to be in the majority in the city by 2011. South Asians make up the biggest proportion of Birmingham's minority ethnic groups, with the biggest group being people of Pakistani origin.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/23/nriot23.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/23/ixhome.html
At least one man was killed last night in rioting in Birmingham over an alleged sex assault on a black girl by youths of Asian descent. One man was stabbed to death at a takeaway food outlet in the Lozells area of the city. Unconfirmed reports said another man also died when a minicab was set alight. Dozens of youths smashed property and attacked police. Bricks and bottles were thrown, and about 10 injured people, including a police officer, were taken to hospital. In one incident, an ambulance was attacked by a gang wielding sticks. A police spokesman said: "A large crowd of people gathered at a fast-food business and a violent brawl broke out, during which one person was stabbed in the chest and is certified dead." The disturbances broke out after a week of tension over the alleged sexual attack on a 14-year-old Jamaican girl.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17008689%255E1702,00.html
The Sunday Times newspaper said a gang of up to 30 Asian youths began throwing stones at some of the 300 people attending the meeting in the church. Meanwhile, a woman, who asked not to be named, said she saw South Asians attacking blacks and heard later that a 20-year-old black man was stabbed to death. The woman, quoted by Britain's domestic Press Association, said she had seen around 100 Asian men congregating outside an Asian shop, put on hoods and masks and heard them say they would get weapons.
Meanwhile, the Blair government makes sure immigration continues as never before:
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/21/npop21.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/21/ixnewstop.html
Immigrants will raise population faster than forecast
The predictions are even greater than those made by the Migrationwatch UK think-tank, whose forecasts have been dismissed in the past as alarmist. Sir Andrew Green, the chairman of Migrationwatch, said the figures were ''staggering''. He added: ''They totally demolish the Government's claim that it has a 'managed migration' policy. In fact they show that immigration into the UK is out of control.'' ''This enormous level of immigration is directly contrary to the wishes of the vast majority of the population and has been allowed to develop without any real discussion about the long term consequences in terms of community cohesion, quality of life and practical matters such as housing where we already have major problems of supply,'' Sir Andrew said.
Fjordman, I agree that 'Asian' means Muslim, but if you think the hostility is all on one side, have a look at this thread on Pickled Politics, particularly the comments.
Your other points regarding burgeoning Muslim population and failure to manage immigration are quite correct. Generally Muslims have failed to integrate where other immigrants, even from the same place, have been very successful. However, I think there are a lot of known unknowns, as Rumsfeld might say, about this particular case, and I want further facts before drawing any conclusions.
I like your blog, by the way.
Interested is right, the Jamaican "Yardie" gangs in Birmingham are not model citizens either.
The PC filtered reports on this latest clash remind me of underreporting of Somalian and Black-British (Carribbean ancestry) clashes in London. Tip for tourists: avoid central London at the end of Ramadan (Eid). The Somalians like to go on the rampage.
The Pakistani and Somalian youths born in the UK have adopted the hip-hop lifestyle of (Carribbean ancestry) blacks. Throw in a large dose of Islam and you have an explosive mix.
Hindu Indians, who are largely the descendants of the communities who were kicked out of East Africa, are a very successful group in the UK. Hindus had to deal with far worse forms of racism in the 1970s than the Pakistanis do today but the Indians born here are completely assimilated and never complain about "Hinduphobia".
The Pakistani and Somalian youths born in the UK have adopted the hip-hop lifestyle of (Carribbean ancestry) blacks. Throw in a large dose of Islam and you have an explosive mix.
Very true. The first generation immigrants from Pakistan were well behaved, at least publicly, whereas the second/third generation have turned to crime.
Black culture at its worst appeals to young Muslim men who wish to rebel against the West, not least because of its deeply chauvinistic view of women. Young Muslim men often sleep around with Kafir girls, drink, take drugs, the lot, while policing the morality of their 'sisters' with a rod of iron.
"Young Muslim men often sleep around with Kafir girls, drink, take drugs, the lot, while policing the morality of their 'sisters' with a rod of iron."
Islamic puritanism from the very beginning and throughout the centuries has not been about puritanical morality (in the sense of our Christian Puritans etc.), but about controlling and subjugating the female species out of a combination of misogyny, lust and the military rigors necessary for a totalitarian Conquistador society. These Muslim laddies have merely inherited a garbled, inchoate, but still virulent sexology from their tradition.
And the point of posting this on DW was.........?
What is so interesting about the reporting on this story is that it clearly confirms Muslims are the new 'untouchables' in the left-liberal hierarchy of victimology.
If a white nationalist had killed the black man, there would be a journalistic feeding frenzy to condemn the person (and culture) responsible for this crime. But, alas, the main suspect is a Muslim Asian and the entire British MSM are doing their best to perform a Jedi mind trick whilst muttering, “Move along now, nothing to see here”.
The black community of Birmingham are in for a shock if they think the white establishment will care more about a (alleged) black rape victim than they do about not demonizing the Muslim “other”.
ia786, were you out on the streets with your "brothers" last night?
While IAS786 may post irritating comments here, there is no evidence that he condones violence, so I think that is unfair.
On your other point about the attitude of the Left, you are spot on. I suspect that, even if the black girl does come forward and the gang rape is proved the Left will side with the Muslims - sorry - Asians.
There is a hierarchy whereby race trumps gender - in the US you saw this with the OJ Simpson case, and multiculturalism trumps race and gender. So the gang rape will be alienated 'Asian' youths reacting against their oppression by white Britons and, somehow, Israel.
This is an extremely squalid and murky affair.
For a start, the Jamaicans of Birmingham are no angels. Black on black gun crime and murders are regular - last year a couple of teenage Jamaican girls were murdered by a Yardie gang in a dive by shooting associated with a drug war. Criminality is high amongst the community.
This whole situation seems to have been used by various Black Panther style black militant organisations to create a racial conflict - calling for a 'boycott' of 'Asian' businesses (including Hindus and Sikhs?) is a deeply stupid thing to do and it begs the question, which has to be asked, if an alleged or actual rape is enough to spark off a campaign by Black Panther and Black Power style organisations what is the difference between them and the BNP who wish to make political capital out of facts like the high crime rates of Jamaicans in Britain including the statistic that something like 49% of gang rapes in London are commited by black men?
This is more like a grubby campaign that got out of hand by some extremist racist black miltants - the fighting took place in a part of the city that twenty years ago saw rioting by Jamaicans in which two Hindu shopkeepers were burnt to death.
As I said, I think the police have handled this well and as Interested has pointed out, it is a slightly murky affair and doesnt fit into the normal dhimmitude categories.
Interested
I was speaking to my contact in the Midlands and he said that tension is high and some very nasty things are being said and done in the city - there is an added component in that a riot seems to have been orchestrated by black militant organisations from outside the area and Hindus and Sikhs have not been spared in the violence and general 'boycott' mentality and intimidation.
No doubt the perpetrators of the crime need to be apprehended but these black militants seem to have wanted to start a generalised racial conflict and gone about things in the wrong way. As I understand it the police have been absolutely rigourous in trying to solve the crime and have been working overtime to get evidence and investigate but the alleged victim cannot be found or she refuses to come forward because of her status as an illegal immigrant - and there are suggestions that the whole rape may not have happened or may have been hyped up or exaqgerated in a heated situation.
Black criminality is a problem in the city as it is elsewhere in the land and as I understand it much of the petty crime, mugging and so on, is aimed at Asians of all backgrounds, Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, Christian.
Very murky indeed.
Zico - have you seen those comments at Pickled Politics? Unbelievable.
ia786,
Interested already emphasized the answer to your question, prior to your post. The news reporting is an example of politically correct dhimmitude:
"In short, I think the only conclusive evidence of dhimmitude is the reluctance to spell out 'Muslim', and instead to use 'Asian'. "
Rape has a central place in the great and glorious Religion of Peace called Islam.
It's good to see that these devout Moslems are willing to take action based upon the Koran and the Sunnah. And the Sira. And the Sharia.
Fjordman opened a lotta eyes on this. To a Moslem, an infidel woman is even lower than a Moslem woman. More attractive, yes, but even lower. It's a cow husbandry thing.
Thank you, Islam! Thank you for the commandments of God and the example of Mohammed! Thank you!
We recently had a murky affair in Ohio -- Neo-Nazis threatened to march through a mixed community which included Poles, Jews, and black. All of these target groups had a beef with the Nazi rally, but it was the black gangsters who gleefully showed up feigning outrage and proceeding to torch entire swaths of the town...
Of course the cowardly politically correct media blamed it all on the neo-nazis since that was the safest route to take (same thing with the insane looting by primarily black people in the aftermath of Katrina) --
Now I UTTERLY ABHOR the Nazi ideology, but the media couldn't bring itself to admit that in the main, the TRUE damage and all the EXTREME VIOLENCE was casued by militant black hoodlums who wildly rampaged, looted and burnt everything down.
Seems to me like hatred only breeds more hatred. Every ideology which embraces the ideas of retribution, reparations, and recriminations is DOOMING its adherents to endless mayhem... Whether it's the Nazi ideology, some of the Black Rap culture which advocates violence against whitey, or religions of the "Asian" persuasion (hint -- Islam) which advocates violence towards all...
Interested
Yes I have. Shocking. The boycott call was egregious - and it just doesnt make sense to make a racial conflict out of a rape case, especially in a city like Birmingham with such a closely knit ethnic groupings that does not discriminate between the guilty and the innocent and views all Asians - Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims as an undifferentiated mass.
And, after all, one of the great taboos in Britain is to examine or suggest reasons for high crime rates amongst African Caribbeans and they leave themselves open to this examination if they seek to make political capital out of crime themselves - as one of the posters said, if we called a public meeting in London every time a black man commited a crime the city would come to a stand still.
Black Power style militancy is inherently hostile to other minority groups - a few years ago in Brooklyn, New York there were riots and attacks against Hassidic Jews by African Americans and there is a strain of pernicious racism and anti-semitism in this ideology. I understand that Chinese and Korean businesses suffer in this way in America too and the same arguments are used there. Saul Bellow and others have written about the Black Miltant movements worldview and theorising of how other races are conspiring to keep down the black man and exploit him. This is represented in classic and nasty anti semitic strains within black militant ideology that transfers its ire and hatred to the nearest available target of resentment - the evil ones are always represented as weak, conspiring with the 'White Man' to keep the blacks oppressed, and being obsessed with money and exploiting suffering black people to squeeze every last cent out of them. There is a large dose of envy and impotence that fuels this culture of victimhood.
The resentment that black militant's feel towards Asians is not just directed to Pakistanis but to Sikhs and Hindus too and it has roots in racial conflict in the Caribbean between blacks and East Indians and may have been brought to Britain in its current form on the back of Black Power inspired by the Caribbean experience which specifically cast Hindus as evil oppressors of the black man.
It seems to me that this whole shabby performance is of a piece with that. Very squalid indeed.
"This enormous level of immigration is directly contrary to the wishes of the vast majority of the population and has been allowed to develop without any real discussion about the long term consequences in terms of community cohesion, quality of life..."
-- Sir Andrew Green
Sounds like the USA, no?
All immigration of Moslems must be stopped, now.
Interested
And in light of all this - how strange that Jamaicans are amongst the fastest and largest growing groups of converts to Islam - not only the London suicide bomber but Richard Reid, the other Jamaican Muslim who was recently imprisoned for plotting to blow up the Channel Tunnel, the Jamaican convert Sheikh Faisal who was jailed a couple of years ago for inciting violence against Jews and Hindus, Dr Daud Abdullah, a Jamaican convert and one of the leading spokesmen of the MCB and a man who the day after 7/7 was asked by a BBC reporter what his advice would be to Muslim youth in Britain thinking of moving to terrorism - his advice was, spontaneously and off-guard, that 'this is not the right place for this kind of thing' - and the gang of South London Jamaican youths called the Muslim Boys who go around threatening other Jamaican boys with death if they refuse to convert to Islam, one of whom was recently tried for shooting dead another Jamaican boy who refused to convert.
Apparently Islam gives them 'dignity'.
So, all of this shows that there is more to all this than meets the eye - black power miltants trying to stir up trouble and hatred is one of the main factors. As I said, an extremely murky affair.
While the media highlight any crime involving white racism, what they keep very quiet about is that most race based crime and street fights are interacial. It's well known that Afro Caribbeans and Asians hate each other but it's the best kept secret in the world.
It's well known that Afro Caribbeans and Asians hate each other but it's the best kept secret in the world.
The most interesting "clash of civilisations" in the UK's near future will be between the sexually uptight Asian Muslims and the hip-hop sleazy culture of the Black-British (which is backed up by the ultra-vulgar white popular culture).
And the Brazilians in London are certainly not going to be wearing burkas anytime soon.
"While the media highlight any crime involving white racism"
This includes world coverage as well... Elsewhere on this site are postings about the Coptic Egyptians and their plight in St. George's Church. I think there is an entrenched reticence on the part of Westerners to associate with or pronounce in an audible way any solidarity with these hapless vicims of Islamic fascism... That reticence comes partially from a deep seated conceit that if we, as Westerners, begin to defend various victimized sects in the heart of Islamic lands, then we will be validating the pretext the Muslims always throw in our face of waging jihad againts Islam!
The crusades were a Christian antidote to the Muslim Jihad -- unfortunately through the overdone zealotry of post-modern deconstructionism we have become amnesiacs to the truth of our own history. The post modernist, who theoretically sought to uncover deeper layers of truth by irradiating away notions of "social bias" from the examination of history, nevertheless destroyed the very crux of the history he was attempting to analyze. This, in conjunction with the ascendancy of certain other leftist storylines merged into the cancer of balme-the-west-first and it's-always-whitey's-fault false liberalism.
Without being aware, we have suffered from our own devastating Moa-like "cultural revolution" which has left the platform of our cultural and sociological understructure in a shambles. Now we we various radical groups -- "the New Black Panthers" (a black nationalist organization indistinguishable from the Nazis- except their master race is the Black man...) "The Nation of Islam" (a black nationalist organization indistinguishable from the Nazis- except their master race is the Black man...) International A.N.S.W.E.R (a thinly veiled Marxist group whose goal is the destruction of the Western capitalist whitey power structure -- indistinquishable from the Stalinist Maoist fascist totalitarians...) On and on and on
The extremely peculiar thing is that these extreme right wing racist fascist totalitarianist organizations all bear a strange simulacra with formerly left of center groups and ideologies, yet they have more in common with extremist right wing nightmares than anything else.
We have truly entered confusing and murky times. 9/11 was a watershed event, the consequences of which are continuing to reverberate.
The question remains can the West survive these withering assaults by both internal external forces which are now arrayed against it?
Can the West find the equilibrium required to confront and defeat these menacing and fantastically dangerous forces?
I just had a conversation with my brother-in-law in the Midlands and it seems that the violence by the Jamaican gangs was not restricted to the Lozells area - Indian owned shops in other parts of town were looted and attacked and two pubs frequented by Sikh and Hindu men were stormed by masked gangs of black youths, smashed up and the drinkers attacked. In one of the pubs one Indian man was shot and stabbed, in the other an Indian man was taken to hospital with stab wounds.
This looks more like a planned mob frenzy by black power militants against anyone of sub-continental appearence than anything else.
I think alot of the comments here are unreasonable.
"some of the Black Rap culture which advocates violence against whitey"
That is not true. Most of us Asians (Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs) grow up listening to rap music. Though alot of the music is violent and glamorises gang culture, it is NOT anti-white.
I have met plenty of black people that follow the 'rap' culture, they're cool, they're good guys. Making generalisations will get us nowhere.
Alot of the people here are trivialising the matter. Gang fights don't just start off because of religion, its never that. It’s normally drugs, girls or just respect. I hang out with Sikhs and Muslims, in our school days we would get into fights with other Muslims, Sikhs and Christians. It was nothing to do with religion. It was about respect, it was about being dominant. No religious guy of any religion would join and hang around with a gang. That just doesn’t happen, gangs attract a certain kind of person. Someone seeking fun, seeking thrills, someone frustrated etc.
Gangs are just that, thugs running about with no responsibility. In our area, if you look at someone the wrong way, a fight can ensue, this happens between Muslim and Muslim, between Black and black, Sikh and Sikh.
Trivialising and generalising won’t help.
ia786 Trivialising and generalising won’t help.
This type of plea subdues middle-class, liberal whites. It won't work on the black underclass of Birmingham. Good luck trying to make young black men feel guilty about "Islamophobia".
"It was about respect, it was about being dominant."
Ah. My point exactly.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
A poster above said"
"On your other point about the attitude of the Left, you are spot on. I suspect that, even if the black girl does come forward and the gang rape is proved the Left will side with the Muslims - sorry - Asian"
And I wonder why that might be? Perhaps, just perhaps, it could be a reaction to the terse rhetoric, rants, policies and actions of the right.
I'm not sure where I fit on the spectrum of left to right, sometimes right, sometimes left, depending on issue, but always motivated, hopefully, by maturity, experience, common sense and knowledge... not ideology, not blind partisanship of "my team vs your team".
But truthfully, after listening and reading the immature and irrational tirads of the right, who can blame a "leftist" for taking sides with the Muslim, whom they see (lacking knowledge of Islam) as suffering the same abuse and self chosen righteousness the "right" heaps on the "left - liberal".
Both sides need to clean up their act, in fact the problem is that there is this concept of "sides" or "teams".
Might I suggest that you Christians read and heed your Bible, "take the beam out of thine eye, before telling your brother about the mote in his"
I don't know any professional or establishment left, but I do know plenty of street level left, and these demons of yours are motivated by altruism, fairness and justice, albeit in a large part misguided, just as the "right" is also misguided.
But trying to convince street level denizens that they are misguided is another chore, and a hard one indeed, an impossible task when you have two bands of chimps on either side of a pile of banana's, jumping up and down, sqawking, threatening and throwing stones at each other.
The West is divided, and the self righteous, demonizing rhetoric of the 'right' is keeping it divided, and a house divided cannot stand, and it certainly can't hold it's own against an ideology, that despite it's internal schisms, cults and fractures will unite in unison against a common enemy.. Bilad al kufr.
Shi's of Iraq hate the kufr, the Sunni's hate the kufr, the Shi'a fight the sunni, the sunni fight the Shi'a but both hate and fight the kufr, and will abandon, albeit temporarily, their differences to join forces against the kufr, then get back to business as usual, once the business with the kufr is settled.
Finally. I am sore tired of hearing the false charge of racism, when the subject is Islam. Islam is not a race, or then maybe it is, as Yusuf Islam seems to prove, utter the Shahada twice and you instantly become Arab. After all he cried racism when he was denied entrance into the US.
By the way, what race is Arab anyway. Last I looked it was polyglot, lots of blue eyed Arabs, black Arabs, white Arabs, semitic Arabs, Moorish Arabs and according to one source, the original Arabs were actually caucasians who intermingled their blood and genes with Abyssinians.
This sounds like typical gang-related activity more than muslims out "batting" for moral purity, but I haven't been to London in quite a few years and I'm sure I wouldn't even recognize it today based on what I read here.
We all need to dispense with the euphemisms and start calling things and people by their proper names. It's all so silly; the ethnic groups are like tribes that voluntarily congregate in a specific area and identify themselves as "Afro-British" or whatever they happen to be. They are proud of their ethnic heritage and wish to have it acknowledged. So what is the problem? If they can call themselves what they are, why can't anyone else?
Until everyone gets over the delusion that people are "basically the same"; twenty or so disparate cultures can coexist in perfect harmony side by side; the white man is an evil oppressor who should be eternally punished for all of history's misdeeds (preferably exterminated); political correctness is more important than life itself; and utopia will be achieved through multiculturalism, the quality of life for everyone (except the elite social engineers) will continue to deteriorate.
All I can say is, isn't multiculturalism wonderful? What did the police in Britain do thirty years ago, when they didn't have all these problems? It seems that about the time our racial problems came to a head, back in the sixties, is when Britain embarked on its trek to becoming a multicultural society. It doesn't seem to working out too well, or maybe problems like this are rare.
"The extremely peculiar thing is that these extreme right wing racist fascist totalitarianist organizations all bear a strange simulacra with formerly left of center groups and ideologies"
jsla, you might be interested in reading Alexandre Del Valle, particularly this article:
The Reds, The Browns and the Greens
or: The Convergence of Totalitarianisms
http://www.occidentalis.com/article.php?sid=1692
The Reds: Communists, Marxists, Socialists, "anti-Globalists"
The Browns: Neo-Nazis, Paleo-Nazis, Fascists
The Greens: Muslims
Talking about racism, I think you are all being very hard on the black community. Many of you have come to the conclusion that this was somehow a black gangland related issue. Wait a minute folks!
From what I see, the black community gathered at a church to discuss a seemingly racially/religiously motivated attack on their community. They were themselves attacked, without provocation, by a large group of Muslim youths - and then they retaliated and things got out of hand.
(786) is also buying into this cosy "gang conflict" issue, despite the fact that no named criminal or youth gangs have been mentioned in the press. But alas facts and evidence mean nothing to the syphilitic Mohammedan monkey: like a good Muslim he has already departmentalised the world (Islam = good, Muslims = misunderstood victims, Anglo Saxon society = racist, America/Israel = evil). Like a typical Muslim, who believes facts are fiction, and fiction is fact, nothing will shake this view of the world, which is largely based on Islamic dogma. When a story like this appears which shows the Pakistani/Muslim community in a poor light he will weave inarticulate stories based on abstract principles and his own limited personal experiences.
Yet, when it involves Anglo Saxons, he is lightening fast in blaming white supremacists (who he says are running the US government!) If the white community had turned upon their obnoxious and hateful Pakistani neighbours, then he would be preaching about the evils of Anglo Saxon intolerance etc. but because it involves his own community and the blacks - all of a sudden racism has nothing to do with it, it's just "gang trouble" and nothing to worry about.
Indeed, everything points to a spontaneous backlash against Muslim/Pakistani chauvinism.
In Australia we have suffered terribly with Muslim gang rapists. There have been many cases. It would seem that Birmingham's black community are less tolerant of the depraved and heinous aspects of Islam than us ever suffering Brits & Aussies.
Until there is definite proof to the contrary, let's just see it, as it appears to be. Quite often, the most obvious view is the correct one. In this case, why don't we stick to the obvious?
The black community have been victimized by Islamic hate and thuggery - and they are lashing out. Simple!
Riots, killings, and, as an American reader, I am simply trying to find out what actually happened, straining to read between the lines of the Eurabian-media-speak. And, honestly, I could not make heads nor tails of it.
Finally, a story that actually mentions something about a mosque being 'attacked' and 'gangs of youths' roaming the streets for revenge.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4370288.stm
How can the British public tolerate this kind of ridiculously vague, misleading reporting, that avoids any mention to 'hot topics' or forbidden words, like Islam or mosque, unless, it seems, someone is killed, or more than one and dozens injured.
The reporting is like Pravada of old in some ways; read between the lines, imagine, and then, imagine the opposite. Some of it is half true, some of it is false; but reality is never is.
The BBC are a disgrace. AlBBCeera.
All you need to know about their Soviet style manipulation of UK events is encapsulated in this story.
Not even the gang rape of a teenage girl will break their mantra of "Islam is a Religion of Peace".
We all know whats going on in Birmingham.
Fair play to the black guys there who are not prepared to take any more of Islams expansionism & forced conversion (reversion) through the rape of their women folk in their neighbourhood.
Now if we can only wake the indigenous population up & get them to fight back......
JTF,
The most ironic quote from that BBC article is:
Police say "rumour, myth and speculation" had fuelled the violence.
This entire conflict is being fuelled by a lack of clear reporting. Another teenager was shot last night. Was he "Asian" or black? Who knows. The BBC and the police won't tell us.
Note also the sympathies of the BBC (i.e. white establishment). We now have a sub-heading in bold text saying "Mosque attacked". I don't recall any headlines saying "Church attacked" on Sat/Sun. Very interesting. Tottenham is going to explode next.
Saturday's rioting, which left one Black man dead, and at least 20 others, including a police officer injured, erupted after the Jamaican community in ethnically diverse Birmingham accused Asian youths thought to be of Pakistani origin of raping a 14-year-old black girl.
The violence, which is thought to have involved rival gangs of 100s of Asian and Black youths, left several, mainly Pakistani-run kebab shops shops, news-agents and grocers vandalised.
Article
Nariz Posted:
The West is divided, and the self righteous, demonizing rhetoric of the 'right' is keeping it divided, and a house divided cannot stand, and it certainly can't hold it's own against an ideology, that despite it's internal schisms, cults and fractures will unite in unison against a common enemy.. Bilad al kufr.
What about the rhetoric of the Left that is keeping us "divided"?
So, when "rightwingers" dare to mention the naivety of the "leftwingers" its called "BILE" (You said it: Stabbed Nun Thread), but I suppose your post above is "fair comment"?
You say in your post above that you want both sides to clean up their act, & yet within a paragraph you are indulging in the usual Liberal Whinge about the right.
You complain when this board is "turned into" a Left Wing / Right Wing exchange, but as usual with Liberal Left Wingers you are not practicing what you preach.
You are a hypocrit.
In England, how can I side / unite with the Left?
George Galloway anyone?
Ken Livingstone anyone?
A myriad of Western Hating New Labour backbenchers anyone?
You know nothing about England, & know even less about why I & a growing number of Englishmen hold UK leftwingers in such low regard & disdain.
a growing number of Englishmen hold UK leftwingers in such low regard & disdain.
As do English women, including this one.
After all, Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and other useful idiots are cosying up to people who support wife beating, stoning of adulteresses, and other forms of liberation for women.
Nariz, you quoted me in one of your posts, but I'm not sure what you're on about.
Interested
Sorry for excluding the fair English roses!
Apologies!
Best regards
Albion
Nariz:
So far as I understand, the original Arabs were the people of the Arabian Peninsula, a mixture of nomadic Bedouins and the sedentary Jewish date palm cultivators of the Khaiber. The rest became Arab by default after Islamic conquests.
"Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and other useful idiots are cosying up to people who support wife beating, stoning of adulteresses, and other forms of liberation for women."
Cosying up also to people who hate gays and would like to see them physically, officially, religiously, punished for their gayness.
Thank you Dr. P for the referenceabove to Red Brown Green nexus...
I will repeat the link for others to follow, as per Dr. Pepper's recommendation -- it is very good...
http://www.occidentalis.com/article.php?sid=1692
THIS is the enemy arrayed against us -- THIS is the collective menace we face --
The fact that it's still difficult to wrap one's mind around the contours of our enemies encampment -- the fact that the enemy's camp already occupies vast stretches of territory behind allied lines -- ALL of it extremely worrisome --
Has anyone listened to the C-Span broadcast of "Dr." Kambon, this estimable member of the Faculty of North Carolina "African Studies" department... calling for a "final solution" for the black man's plight ? No punches pulled -- this pig comes out and says:
"We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve this problem..."
Don't believe me? Listen to his "speech" from Farrakhan's "Million More March" hate fest just the other day...
http://johnlocke.org/site-docs/audio/kambon5.mp3
The black man's position in America still isn't perfect, but after 50 years of TRUE progress towards equality and sincere and measurable efforts in America to end the scourge of racism, apparently for a substantial portion of Black America, circumstances have never been more intolerable than they are today -- These black ministers of hatred seem to be gaining ground daily -- many operating under the radar, assuming mantles of "liberal academic" -- "social justice activist" -- "American social critic..." " consultant to the government for black/white race relations..." Their actions and words are making every poisonous cartoon the White Supremacists have been pushing about them into truisms... Some of them are turning into EXACTLY what the execrable neo-Nazis have been warning about all along -- What weird times we live in...
I forgot to mention, of course -- that the "Million More March" was organized and financed by "The Nation of Islam" -- a group of American Black Nazis who believe in the violent overthrow of the American Government, and the eventual ruling over all white people by black people.
So this is the kind of Western Islam which emerges once the ideology leaves its sh*thole of origin in the ME? This is what the likes of Daniel Pipes imagines will be the "moderating" effects of Islam, free to develop and thrive under the mollifying influence of Western secular tolerance and pluralism -- Pretty bad start so far -- Nation of Islam has been around for about 40 years or so -- and its malignancy grows with every passing year --
Dr P
Thanks for the link. Its going to take a long time to read and even more time to digest.