Does he think Abbas doesn't really believe in the jihad imperative? That he really doesn't believe Abbas attributes the Gaza withdrawal to suicide terrorism? Or does he just not care? From AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
WASHINGTON - President Bush heaped praise Thursday on Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and said he was more confident than ever before there would be peace with Israel and establishment of a Palestinian state.Bush qualified his optimism a bit by saying "it's hard" and "old feuds aren't settled immediately. And it takes a while."
He was unqualified, however, in his praise of Abbas, although he tried to nudge the Palestinian leader toward taking a more assertive approach to extremist groups.
"President Abbas is a man devoted to peace and to his people's aspiration for a state of their own," Bush said after a one-hour meeting with Abbas in the Oval Office. "And today, the Palestinian people are closer to realizing their aspirations."
Bush can wait for the Saudis to fund this presidential library.
I think it's safe to say that Bush and his Ivy League aides de camp don't follow Jihadwatch.org.
Yech.
Manifest stupidity! America deserves better.
Manifest Stupidity, I like that phrase.
king tolerance, ia, wherever you two are: If ever a thread needed your input, it is this one:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008619.php
Bush promised, "If two states don't arise when I'm in office, we will work hard to lay the foundations so the process will be irreversible."
He said he loved me. He said it wouldn't hurt. We talked about Democracy. He promised that I would never be alone. Why, he said he was the best friend I ever had ...
~Israel
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1129540565772&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
C'mon folks. Regardless of what Bush actually thinks one way or another about Abas, would you expect him to tear a strip off him in public?
"President Abbas is a man devoted to peace and to his people's aspiration for a state of their own," Bush said after a one-hour meeting with Abbas in the Oval Office. "And today, the Palestinian people are closer to realizing their aspirations."
"President Abbas is a man devoted to pieces and parts splattered all over Israeli streets and to his people's aspiration for a state of their own, which includes Jerusalem and the rest of Israel" DC Watson said after reading this article.
"And today, the Palestinian people are closer to realizing their aspirations." "They will continue to attack Israelis until the end of time, or until Israel finally destroys them, for they are too primitive, uneducated, and stuck in a century far far away to ever know peace with non-Muslims", Watson added.
"The Palestinian official said Bush agreed to take into consideration the request to pressure Israel into releasing Barghouti and other Palestinian prisoners."
"Israel had no jurisdiction to arrest a Palestinian official and try him in Israel," said Erekat. "He should be released."
So now in addition to these from Mr. Bush:
"I have gazed into PutiePut's heart and I know we can work together..."
or:
"You're doin' a great job Brownie..."
or:
"May I hold your hand, your Most Exalted Majesty?"
we can add:
"President Abbas is a man devoted to peace..."
The really scary part is, if Democrats were in charge, the performance would be even MORE catastrophic... think of "Oh -- you got cash -- well then let's talk...!" Clinton, or 'I invented the internet' kooks like Gore... Mollusks all...
THESE are the times that try men's souls... and for now it looks like current Western leadership consists mainly of mediocrities (USA and UK) cowards and appeasers (EU) or traitors (Canada, Spain, France, Belgium, Germany specifically) in lieu of real leaders -- Yikes! It has been said that we get the governments we deserve -- What do these leaders indicate we deserve?
I admit to fearing that the assessments by the malignant fascist Islamists isn't that far off the mark -- Westerners ARE decadent -- and it remains to be seen whether we collectively have the spine and stamina to withstand the Great Islamic Jihad... Our enemy smells blood -- it is what has fueled their latest resurgence, and convinced them they can prevail --
Muslims have a deep conviction that they will eventually win and we will eventually lose... They long ago began gearing up to devalue and dehumanize us -- to make their populations receptive to the idea of our utter subjugation or annihilation -- While we are uncertain and worried about the future they fight with zeal -- they invade our lands with arrogance -- They watch us fight amongst ourselves and observe that we are obsessed over notions of fairness and non-discrimination towards them -- What we fear even more than their attacks is their accusation that we are against them! While this multi-cultural forbearance may seem laudable in peacetime, is it advisable during war?
I ask, has a nation ever effectively defended itself against a mortal foe without preparing its population to countenance the ugly things that must be done to defeat the enemy? We are totally unprepared and unwilling to confront our enemy, or even NAME the enemy. Our foe observes and knows that we show every sign that we are unwilling to to defeat them and to fight Islam... This is especially insane since they already acuse us of being enemies of Islam in order to work their populations into a froth in order to fight us -- How much worse could it get if we simply and forthrightly stated "You have declared war on us -- Yes we will fight you -- Yes -- we're at war with Islam!"
The jury is still out on whether we will prevail or not, but the deliberations are going on for an uncomfortably long stretch -- and the decision to defend ourselves against the onslaught should have happened long ago --
What will it take? When will it happen?
The greatest threat to world peace is Muslim birthrates.
"old feuds aren't settled immediately...."
-- from the article about the Great Hallucinator above
So the Arab Muslim siege of Israel, the relentless Jihad against Israel, the Jihad that began as soon as Jews began to buy land, and behave as if they were there as if by right, and not on the sufference of the Muslim Arabs (who were there by right, and could flow into the place, as they did, in larger numbers than the Jews, during the 1920s and 1930s), is simply an "old feud."
What prompted this "old feud"? And just how old is this "old feud"? And how much nonsense from those who refuse learn, simply will not learn, or will not act as if they have learned, or will not make policy as if they have learned, but most likely really have not learned, because they are too busy to learn about Islam -- how much nonsense are we expected to endure?
Bush, Rice, and company no longer have support for their policy of dealing with Islam. There are the many appeasers -- silent because they don't care if the Administration makes a mess, and squanders resources. They kind of like it. They are simply waiting to inherit the earth. And then there are the others, such as posters here, who do not like the policy because they understand better than Bush, Rice, et al. what Islam is all about, and cannot bear to see such a squandering of resources, and such stupidity elsewhere (the continued jizya to Egypt, the timidity in Darfur, the southern Sudan, and elsewhere in black Africa, the insistent support for Turkey's admission to the E.U., the seeming complete indifference, or unawareness of, the islamization of Europe, the absurd "two-state solution" that would almost certainly insure the ultimate disappearance of Israel, and of any Western control of, or access to, Jerusalem, the complete failure to recognize the need for a wartime energy policy, one that will work not toward the false and irrelevant goal of "energy independence" (for that does not diminish Arab and Muslim revenues) but rather toward diminishing those revenues, and finding other ways to relieve the Arabs, Saudi Arabs in particular, of their soft-earned, or rather completely un-earned and undeserved, cash.
They have failed. They have done nothing about Iran, nothing about energy, nothing to end the support for the stratokleptocratic regime in Egypt, nothing to reverse the whole mythology of the "Palestinian people" and to properly define the relentless Jihad on Israel as what it is -- the Lesser Jihad, nor to properly define the world-wide attacks, on Infidels everywhere -- attacks on their ways of life, on their laws, on their freedom of movement, on their freedom of expression, on their freedom to live as they see fit and even to live, period -- as the Greater Jihad. Simple, easy to remember, and true: the Lesser Jihad (the one that was started locally, before the big money started to role in to fund things world-wide) and the Greater Jihad.
Nonsense on stilts from our rulers. We wait for those in public life or public office to calmly draw attention to this nonsense, to calmly dissect it in public. Why don't they? Some are cruelly waiting to pick up the pieces, for they know this business in Iraq is based on misunderstanding of Iraq, and ignorance of Islam. More perhaps out of their own ignorance, rather than such political calculation, or possibly out of mere pusillanimity.
Intolerable. From both sides now.
DebkaFiles' take on abbas visit(in toto),,
"A Palestinian Perception of Abbas: “He Dances with Wolves”
DEBKAfile Special Analysis
October 20, 2005, 12:08 PM (GMT+02:00)
"The Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas aka Abu Mazen keeps himself afloat by braggadocio. He slaps down demands and stipulations as though he has a handful of aces. In actual fact, he arrived in Washington Thursday, Oct. 20 for talks with President George W. Bush and secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, with the barest hold on Palestinian government.
"If the Bush administration’s new pro-US leaders were to be graded by their control of government, Abu Mazen would go to the bottom of the class, far below Iraqi prime minister Ibrahim Jaafari, Lebanese prime minister Fouad Siniora or Afghan president Hamid Karzai. Yet, after a year of administrating artificial respiration to a non-starter, Washington, Cairo, London, Brussels and Jerusalem are still not ready to give up. They continue to ply him with political favors as well as financial, military and intelligence assistance. None of this avails him at home where he is incapable of arresting his people’s hopeless descent into a failed society. Armed gangs roam the streets without concealment and even al Qaeda operatives do not bother to disguise their presence.
"This week, a distinguished Palestinian researcher Khaled Duzdar voiced the gloom engulfing his people in a letter to his friends published on October 14. Under the heading “He Dances with Wolves,” Duzdar asserts that Abu Mazen’s appeasement of armed groups who maraud Palestinian streets night after night and prey on the innocent and each other will plunge the people in yet another calamity. Palestinian towns and villages have been reduced by the anarchy and lawlessness to a simulacrum of Somalia, he says.
"DEBKAfile’s Palestinian experts are quite sure after watching Abbas perform that he is not genuinely feeble; he plays the weakling man to advantage. He works on the principle that the greater the chaos in the areas he rules, the more he can squeeze out of America, Europe and Israel and the less they will demand of him.
"In Washington, therefore, Abu Mazen continues to plug the message which has brought the Palestinians to their sorry state: Hamas and terrorist groups must be absorbed into government rather than dismantled, and international aid and Israeli concessions are the precondition for his survival - regardless of continuing terrorist attacks.
"His favorite tactic is to put Israel in the wrong – especially after murderous Palestinian on Israelis. On the day of his White House talks, Abbas used an interview with the Wall Street Journal to accuse Israel of aiding his opponents. (Might they be the “wolves” he is accused of dancing with?)
"The mayhem engulfing Palestinian society today was first generated deliberately by Yasser Arafat in 2000 as part of his war strategy against Israel. Under the noses of the CIA agents who helped set up the Palestinian preventive security machinery, he broke its regional components down and reassigned them to duties with the radical organizations dedicated to his suicide terror campaign.
"Five years later, Abu Mazen’s policies have degraded Palestinian forces of law and order still further. Even the terrorist organizations are losing their grip and becoming swallowed up by an ungovernable assortment of warlords and criminal gangs. One of Abbas’s closest associates, the civil affairs minister Mohammed Dahlan, who until recently met almost daily with Israeli defense minister Shaul Mofaz for a semblance of security coordination, has given up on the mess contrived and put plenty of distance between himself and his boss.
"DEBKAfile’s Palestinian sources located him in Montenegro where he has settled with his family and gone back to his business activities. He tells visitors he has washed his hands of Abu Mazen for good.
"The US president and secretary of state may be expected to play out the ritual of praising Abu Mazen for his (non-existent) efforts to rein in the terrorists, pouring out reconstruction financing for the Gaza Strip and reprimanding Israel. They will all keep up the pretence that Abbas and his Palestinian Authority are in charge, rather than the Hamas, the Jihad Islami, Hizballah, Al Qaeda and lawless armed groups.
"Israel’s leaders, Ariel Sharon, Shimon Peres, Shaul Mofaz and Silvan Shalom, will also do their bit by trotting out the standard demand that Abbas crack down on the terrorists. The Palestinian leader is perfectly willing to make all the constructive promises the Bush administration, the Sharon government and the international community are so willing to believe, while at the same time continuing his dance with the wolves. "
Great post, Otterfish -- this post is encouraging --
Recently I suggested on a different thread that it might behoove the West to exacerbate the entrenched Islamic hatreds and allergies for all things "unislamic" like Western technology, money, and aid. This is one way to bring them to their knees -- If they persist on exporting terrorism and refuse to reform their broken institutions and scabby religion, then let's help them to lie in the bed they have chosen and made for themselves.
Rather than wasting our precious resources, money and blood to try to lift up the unliftable, rather than nobly attempting to better the lives of those who hate us and wish our annihilation, rather than continuing to hope for reform from the irredeemable, I think it may be time to help them to wallow in their verminous Islam-inspired miasma of horror, decay, and backwardness.
Is there any doubt that nearly every Muslim nation would find itself feeding on the utter bottom of beyond if it weren't for American and Western inflows of capital and technology? As bad as circumstances are in Muslim lands, (their own damn fault) and as much as they are fond of blaming the West for somehow forcing them to live under such deplorable conditions, if it weren't for our ongoing and generous efforts to help them out of their self-created sewer, then Muslims and Arabs in particular would live in conditions of such utter squalor that their great Jihad and 1400 year old dreams of world dominion would be contemptuously laughed at by fleas rats and annelids?
Barring some Islamic reveletions on the road to Damascus, so to speak, perhaps it's time to stop hoping they reform, stop helping them survive, stop pumping resources into the black maw of their insuperable hatred, and leave them alone to fulminate in their nasty Muslim pigpen...?
President Bush in reflecting the niceties of positive reinforcement towards Palestinian leader Abbas, simply has nothing to lose in doing so Whether it is true, or not. President Bush and his staff of advisors clearly understand the true situation in Palestine. But as the Leader of the free world, it will serve no constructive purpose for the President to paint this leader with a negative paint brush while Abbas is on a state visit here.
Positive reinforcement, whether deserved or not forces the hand of the recipient to possibly demonstrate if he is living up to the expectations that President Bush has put forward to the world community in an effort to give this Palestinian leader some degree of stature on the world stage, thus possibly strengthening his hand in dealing with terrorist groups like Hamas,Izza Deen al Qassam,the PLF, PIJ,PFLP, And now al-Qaeda influences in Palestine.
And now for my realistic, and pragmatic comment on what I just wrote;----- Sorry to say folks,but it aint going to happen!!!
"king tolerance, ia, wherever you two are: If ever a thread needed your input, it is this one:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008619.php"
Gary, I can't add comments onto JW for some reason.
I've read it and have to say this.
Many of the people here don't care about what Muslims think, they don't care about Muslims across the World. Alot of the people here just want one thing, that is the religion of Islam to be attacked by everyone. That is all. Islam can be practised peacefully, you know that, but you don't want people do think that. That’s your loss, that’s your burden. I practise Islam peacefully and am a British Born Muslim, does it make you angry if I say that?
Instead of trying to address and combat Islamic extremism, you wish to attack all Muslims and say that the core teachings in Islam promote terrorism. You know that is not the case, most Muslims in the World have never committed a terrorist attack, yet you want to tell all these people that their religion is based on terror, why ? So they become terrorists or because you can score a cheap shot against Islam.
I once asked anyone here to provide a claim that terrorism is sponsored and encouraged in Islam. I received no answer. Nothing, in any debate with that you will get slaughtered, I would challenge any of you to that, but you never accept. You just hit me with Cut and pastes. Cut and pasted verses from the Quran that mean nothing. You will get slaughtered in any debate and you know it. I would love to challenge anyone here.
It was clear in the banning of the Quran thread. Would the banning of Quran stop terrorism, No. Yet alot wanted it banned, just to get at ALL Muslims.
You are banging your head against a wall, you were doing it 5 years ago, you will be doing the same thing 20 years from now. Enjoy yourselves.
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From threads about Israel on JW all becomes very clear.
You notice certain posters bend over backwards to try and justify why all ‘kafirs’ should give 110% to Israel. People that would be willing to promote ethnic cleansing, from a distance, behind a monitor.
The mere mention of a Palestinian state with an Israeli one causes them to pull their hair out.
What a shame. George Bush states that God told him to invade Afghanistan and then Iraq, (you must have been cheering like mad), he then goes on to say God told him to help make a Palestinian state. Ha ha ha, that one must have hurt.
KinG Intolerance:"
What a shame. George Bush states that God told him to invade Afghanistan and then Iraq, (you must have been cheering like mad), he then goes on to say God told him to help make a Palestinian state. Ha ha ha, that one must have hurt."
I beg to disagree with you on this comment, God never told President Bush to invade Afghanistan,then Iraq. What he prayed for was that he hoped he would make the correct decision in defending the free world from the constant aggression of fundamental Islam that has been using the force, and fear with their totalitarian Ideology for the 1,375 years all over the world.
So Mackie you agree with Bush?
Come on!!! the war on terror is a big fraud, why Iraq! Iraq had no WMD, no terrorists, nothing, then again we had Saudi Arabia and Iran. Yet Bush chose to make love to Saddam. And you agree with him!
The rest of your post is the usual rubbish, yap, yap, yap. No substance.
King Intolerance:
It would of course be total waste of time going over all the reasons that we went to war against Iraq because you know what the reasons are, however you would dismiss them no matter how overwhelming the evidence is.
`I practise Islam peacefully` - posted above.
Like this:
In 1924, Mohammed Ali to whom Gandhi showed such affection said, : "However pure Mr. Gandhi's character may be, he must appear to me, from the point of religion, inferior to any Mussalman even though he be without character."
"Yes, according to my religion and creed, I do hold an adulterous and a fallen Mussalman to be better than Mr. Gandhi".
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/HinduWoman40718.htm
DPM of the most `moderate` muslim country and head of the OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries):
`Non-Malays living in the vicinity of mosques in Kuala Lumpur hear this call to arms against the non-Muslims through high-pitches megaphones`
AND
`Dato' Seri Najib kicked the ball first to insist to insist none should openly debate if Muslims could slander the followers of other religions`
http://mggpillai.com/print.php3?sid=2049
`I once asked anyone here to provide a claim that terrorism is sponsored and encouraged in Islam. I received no answer.` - posted above.
Unbelievable. After so much the deniability is flabbergasting. Here`s an intro for the unitiated:
"The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims... The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in gran- deur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam." In Letter No. 81 he said: "Cow-sacrifice in India is the noblest of Islamic practices. The kafirs may probably agree to pay jiziya but they shall never concede to cow-sacrifice." After Guru Mun Deva had been tortured and done to death by Jahangir, he wrote in letter No. 193 that "the execution of the accursed kafir of Gobindwal is an important achievement and is the cause of the great defeat of the Hindus."
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/sufi.html
ia in fact is the result of a forced conversion. It would be wise for him to go back to his roots instead of living a lie.
Should we cite only the stem code which the Mongols observed among themselves and proclaim that Tengiri stood for stark honesty and straight truth in human relations? Should we ignore or overlook the gruesome fate which Tengiri had decreed for the Muslims, their lives, their honour, their women and children, their cities and their properties? Should we proclaim that Tengiri was something divine and that Chengiz Khan who carried out his commandments quite faithfully should be hailed as a hero?
Yet that is exactly what the votaries of Allah do themselves and want us to do. They cite certain rules which Allah had revealed regarding sharing of plunder among the Muslims or pertaining to their participation in congregational prayers, and want us to believe that Allah stands for social equality and human brotherhood! At the same time, we are advised not even to notice the barbarities which Allah wants the Muslims to heap on the non-Muslims. And if we fail to respond positively and try to judge Allah not in terms of isolated Ayats but on the basis of the Quran as a whole, we run the risk of being run down as bigots, as lacking in respect for the religion of a sister community! The logic which declares Tengiri to be a satan and denounces Chengiz Khan as an archcriminal but which, in the same breath, proclaims Allah as divine and hails the Ghaznavis, Ghuris, Timurs and Baburs as heroes, is, to the say the least, worse than casuistry.
http://voi.org/books/tcqp/chi10.htm
Leavingtheleft is losing his mind.
What sort of response is that. I challenge you to prove terrorism is encouraged in Islam. Go for it. I am here. Give proper answers, no rubbish, you may want to copy and paste stuff from your companions in your crusade, your Wahabi jihadist friends. They are your real friends, you hate good Muslims.
"ia in fact is the result of a forced conversion. It would be wise for him to go back to his roots instead of living a lie."
Ha ha ha
You know nothing. I am as British and moderate as they get. I don't need to believe in Islam, I don't need to pray, no one can say anything to me. I choose to do these things, Allah hu Akbar!!!
Did you listen to that debate?
a `What sort of response` for ia:
Xcerpt from `ENTIRE QURAN IS A MANUAL ON JIHAD`
The Hadis collections, commentaries on the Quran (tafsIr), and treatises on this specific Islamic lore also proclaim that the so-called Ayats on jihAd “revealed” at Medina pertain to only one form of jihAd, namely, jihAd bil saif - striving by the sword. At the same time they mention three other forms of jihAd as follows:
jihAd bil nafs: striving by the heart or conscience, that is, cursing the KAfirs silently or in private if conditions do not permit cursing them publicly by means of speech and writing etc.
jihAd bil lasAn: striving by the tongue or word of mouth, that is, preaching against the KAfirs publicly, pasting pejorative labels on them, and threatening them with the defeat and disgrace which await them in this world, and the doom hereafter.
jihAd bil qalam: striving by the pen, that is, writing down on paper and other materials what one has harboured in one’s heart or harangued in one’s speeches or plans to say at the appropriate opportunity. The written material is used for preservation of the Polemics as well as for its wider circulation.
http://voi.org/books/tcqp/chi3.htm
`I am as British and moderate as they get.`
EXACTLY. You are part of the UMMAH and know where your loyalties are.
I don't need to believe in Islam, I don't need to pray, no one can say anything to me. I choose to do these things, Allah hu Akbar!!!
And that`s a debate?
On 8 July the London-based Muslim Weekly unblushingly published a lengthy opinion article by Abid Ullah Jan entitled ‘Islam, Faith and Power’. The gist of the article is that Muslims should strive to gain political and military power over non-Muslims, that warfare is obligatory for all Muslims, and that the Islamic state, Islam and Sharia (Islamic law) should be established throughout the world. All is supported with quotations from the Koran. It concludes with a veiled threat to Britain. The bombings the previous day were a perfect illustration of what Jan was advocating, and the editor evidently felt no need to withdraw the article or to apologise for it. His newspaper is widely read and distributed across the UK.
`I am as British and moderate as they get.` he says.
Xcerpt from `ENTIRE QURAN IS A MANUAL ON JIHAD`
Usual rubbish. This is also seems to be Hindu propaganda.
Tell me, where does Islam teach one to commit terrorist attacks? Tell me. I am waiting. I haven't had any lessons on how to behead people, I don't know how to make bombs, yet I have been going to Mosque all my life. I haven't murdered anyone, there are no mass graves in the UK. Tell me, where did I go wrong.
"EXACTLY. You are part of the UMMAH and know where your loyalties are."
You know nothing. Muslims are supposed to love their homeland and be obedient good citizens. That is what Islam teaches, Islam teaches one to follow the laws of the land in which they live, even if it is not Muslim. Read about the Prophets companions that were sent to Christian Abyssinia. How did they conduct themselves. I am British, all my life I have tried my utmost to benefit this country and my family back home. No conflict there whatsoever. I am loyal to Britain and the Ummah. My old man came here with nothing, we have started from scratch and done alright for ourselves. How many Muslims fought for the British in the World War?
"And that`s a debate?"
No, I am waiting for you to kick it off.
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Regarding article:
so what? My elder brother could have easily died on 7/7, luckily he was late that day. Muslims died in that attack too. The sad thing is that pathetic people like you wish to give the bastards that do those things credibility. As I said they are your best friends.
Bring any argument and I will smash it for six. I’m waiting.
`Muslims are supposed to love their homeland and be obedient good citizens`
Yes you are right like this:
``Non-Malays living in the vicinity of mosques in Kuala Lumpur hear this call to arms against the non-Muslims through high-pitches megaphones`
AND
`Dato' Seri Najib kicked the ball first to insist to insist none should openly debate if Muslims could slander the followers of other religions`
http://mggpillai.com/print.php3?sid=2049`
`Usual rubbish. This is also seems to be Hindu propaganda.`
The Quran is now Hindu propaganda. Very good.
`Muslims died in that attack too.`
They died in the service of Islam and will be fully rewarded.
`Tell me, where did I go wrong.`-
Never said you did wrong. You are practising:
`jihAd bil nafs: striving by the heart or conscience, that is, cursing the KAfirs silently or in private if conditions do not permit cursing them publicly by means of speech and writing etc.
`Usual rubbish. This is also seems to be Hindu propaganda.`
You could be right about Hindu propaganda. Look at the way the crafty dodgers call ur prophet a pig:
`Hence, all Hindus whereever they may be, should wait no longer for any other 'kalik autar' but to embrace Islam`
http://www.geocities.com/window2islam/mohammed/prophetinhindu.html
Apparently not very well thot out, as the other avatar of Vishnu was Varaha the Boar - Raised the earth out of water with his tusks.
http://www.lotussculpture.com/vishnu1.htm
Evil Hindus, poor mossies.
`The sad thing is that pathetic people like you wish to give the bastards that do those things credibility. As I said they are your best friends.`- posted above by ia786 (who has now opted to disappear)
In a way yes they are my friends and i know where i stand vwith them.
You are what Broderick Crawford used to say, one of those
`who`ll slap you on the back with one hand, and pick your pocket with other`.
Question is: When will you flip.
Losingmymind, you are not really saying anything. Your points have got no substance, no meat. Prove that Islam encourages terrorism, don't just tell me what some Muslims are doing across the World. Not all actions by Muslims can be considered Islamic.
So you go from being an expert on the Quran to a mind reader:
"Never said you did wrong. You are practising:
`jihAd bil nafs: striving by the heart or conscience, that is, cursing the KAfirs silently or in private if conditions do not permit cursing them publicly by means of speech and writing etc. "
So I am cursing the "KAfirs silently or in private"
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Right..........???
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But wait a minute!!! I have 'Kafir' friends, some of whom are really close. DO I have to curse them too, am I then supposed to kill them? since you are an expert please tell me (sarcasm)
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"`Muslims died in that attack too.`
They died in the service of Islam and will be fully rewarded."
So its all about that, huh. Those innocent Muslims that were murdered on 7/7 are martyrs and they are not considered to be dead, they are with God. The murderers are going to be punished.
This is what you don't get, in your bigoted prejudiced eyes, its one rule for Muslims and another for everyone else. Wake up!!!
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But wait a minute!!! I have 'Kafir' friends, some of whom are really close. DO I have to curse them too, am I then supposed to kill them? since you are an expert please tell me
You should know better than to ask me. Your scholars have written theses on the subject. Oops i forgot that`s those no-good hindoos. (sarcasm).
Nevertheless, is Islam a religion of peace? Many of its advocates say that it is. Let's see what the Qur'an actually says.
The Qur'an tells muslims to kill and go to war to fight for Islam: Quran, chapters (Surahs) 9:5; 2:191; 2:193; 3:118; 4:75,76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:73,123; 33:60-62.
Fight for Allah: "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers, (Quran 2:191).
Muslims are to battle for Allah: "Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak," (Quran 4:76).
Kill those against Islam: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter," (Quran 5:33).
Beheading: "When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 13That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment," (Quran 8:12).
Allah urges war: "O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand," (Quran 8:65).
Slay non-muslims: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful," (Quran 9:5).
Allah urges war: "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination," (Quran 9:73).
Allah urges war: "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)," (Quran 9:123).
Allah urges killing: "...the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist... 61Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering. 62(Such has been) the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and you shall not find any change in the course of Allah, (Quran 33:60-62).
Beheading: "Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens..." (Quran 47:4).
Allah loves those who fight for him. "Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure," (Quran 61:4).
As you can see, the Qur'an definitely teaches that it's people are to fight for the cause of Islam. This list of verses is important because they are within the holy book of Islam. What are we to conclude if a Muslim or to take the Quran seriously? Is he not obligated to slay non-Muslims, to go to war, to kill those against Islam, etc.? Isn't this what the verses are teaching? Yes, they are and this is the source of Islamic Terrorism.
Dirty hindoo propaganda that is. Look at what else those hindoos done:
Muhammad advocates lying: "Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it," (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
Go here to check this for yourself: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html
Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:
5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”
8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”
47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”
9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”
2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”
5: 45-- “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Toth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.”
2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”
9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”
8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah is a real merciful indeed!)
its one rule for Muslims and another for everyone else. Wake up!!!- posted by ia786
The rule `for everyone else` is dhimmitude.
While you were sleeping, we woke up.
Don't worry, folks:
1a, the Shirk, knows the 164 Jihad verses by heart!
This little slimeball is just trying to annoy you all.
He believes that some of us would discredit JW/DW by doing what Mohammedans normally do: Genocide and mass-killings.
Better not to feed the trolls!
Who informed you not to ride the bus on 7/7 1a?
I was informed that 4000 Mohammedans mysteriously had the flu and didn't go to work that day. Where were you?
IA786...Here's the bottom line:From Bukhari's 'Book of Jihad': "Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite.”
I didn't say that, Imam Bukhari did. If you want to debate about that, you will have to contact him. Of course he is dead, so you probably wont get much of a debate from him. But since you know way more about Islam than he did, you would win any debate with him anyway. Send him packing with his tail between his legs. That statement has more meaning to you than it does to me. I dont have any obligation to participate in jihad, you do...what are you doing to fulfill your 'obligation' to Allah and Islam? Posting innanities on JW/DW does not count...
From execrable scumbag posting above: "I once asked anyone here to provide a claim that terrorism is sponsored and encouraged in Islam. I received no answer. Nothing..."
INSANE -- This entire site is dedicated to proving that terrorism is sponsored by and encouraged by Islam... Everyday innumerable posts are place here which PROVE the connection -- A comment such as this is the clearest example yet that you intend only to flame this site and continue your stupid and absurd efforts to blunt the truth about Islamic fascism, and its inextricable links with WORLD WIDE TERRORISM.
Avaunt, thou dreadful minister of hell -- get thee gone! You are and inversion of a human being and a pervert...
Hey, Ia767 is back.
Ia challenges people...again?
"in any debate with that you will get slaughtered, I would challenge any of you to that, but you never accept. You just hit me with Cut and pastes. Cut and pasted verses from the Quran that mean nothing. You will get slaughtered in any debate and you know it. I would love to challenge anyone here."
No, you wouldn't. I beat you over at FFI. You admitted defeat. ADMITTED it, an act unheard of anywhere in all yon blogosphere.
You have no challenges to offer. You lost.
Quotes from the Quran are meaningless? Better take that up with your Allah. He seems to feel differently. For has he not sent any better phrases than those inviting genocide?
Questions?
Prophet Geoff
Beer Be Upon Me
"IA786...Here's the bottom line:From Bukhari's 'Book of Jihad': "Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite.”
I didn't say that, Imam Bukhari did. If you want to debate about that, you will have to contact him. Of course he is dead, so you probably wont get much of a debate from him. But since you know way more about Islam than he did, you would win any debate with him anyway. Send him packing with his tail between his legs. That statement has more meaning to you than it does to me. I dont have any obligation to participate in jihad, you do...what are you doing to fulfill your 'obligation' to Allah and Islam? Posting innanities on JW/DW does not count..."
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Jihad means struggle, it is both spiritual and physical. It is about a spiritual struggle to cleanse oneself from everything bad and improve on ones character etc. I perform Jihad everyday, peacefully!!! God is Great.
That is a form of Jihad. Jihad can be anything, I struggle and strive to wake up before Fajr so that I can eat with my mum, dad and brothers. I strive to pray after that, that is an aspect of Jihad.
Jihad is simply a word and however you are blinded by your own prejudice and hatred, this causes you to……..bark up the wrong tree.
There is a narration, where the Prophet came back with his companions from a battle, he said that they had come from the smaller Jihad (battle) to the greater Jihad (internal struggle against evil, fighting ones desires, fighting hatred, jealously etc.) I could find the link, but I really can't be bothered. The words of the Prophet come before any scholar.
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"INSANE -- This entire site is dedicated to proving that terrorism is sponsored by and encouraged by Islam... Everyday innumerable posts are place here which PROVE the connection -- A comment such as this is the clearest example yet that you intend only to flame this site and continue your stupid and absurd efforts to blunt the truth about Islamic fascism, and its inextricable links with WORLD WIDE TERRORISM."
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You finished????
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This site proves nothing. Looking at the World now I see that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful law abiding citizens, they read and follow the same religion as extremists yet they are much larger, they read the same Quran and commit no terrorist attacks. The Prophet told Muslims to stick to the largest group, I wonder who that is. I am a Muslim through and through, I have not committed any terrorist attacks and never will.
You have proved nothing, this site proves nothing.
Oh yeh, a study be Geoff et al (2005) suggested that 'lots' of Muslims practise Islam peacefully. Guess you're gonna have to refute him too.
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"Avaunt, thou dreadful minister of hell -- get thee gone! You are and inversion of a human being and a pervert..."
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...........Right, I've got you mate.....(?!?!?!)
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"No, you wouldn't. I beat you over at FFI. You admitted defeat. ADMITTED it, an act unheard of anywhere in all yon blogosphere."
Geoffory!!!! (^_^)
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You are so childish its hard to believe. I quit FFI cos it became so booooooring.......zzzzzzzz.
Its really repetitive stuff.
You beat me in what, if I say I give up, does this mean your arguments suddenly become strong and correct, I don't think so. You had nothing. Just a few quotes from the Quran that mean nothing on their own.
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"Quotes from the Quran are meaningless? Better take that up with your Allah. He seems to feel differently. For has he not sent any better phrases than those inviting genocide?"
The way Islamophobes present them, yes, they mean nothing. I laugh when you do that, you then wonder why no one takes you seriously. Bring any quote, any time. Terrorism is not allowed or encourage in Islam!!!
Hey Geoffrey, don't forget you said lots of Muslims practise Islam peacefully, that was a gem.
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Weak response, no will to make any point. Another point for me.
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3-0.
Once again Ia767 flies off the handle.
So one cannot divine the intent and beliefs of a worldview from their written text and the behaviour of their adherents. This is news. And here all along I thought that was quite reasonable. But Ia has his god, and if his god wants blood and wants to call that blood peace, well, who are we to argue?
I don't suppose Ia would care to locate that link? The one that says jihad is a strictly internal battle. Can't be bothered or doesn't exist? Of course, we understand.
Ia: "You are so childish its hard to believe. I quit FFI cos it"
I have to admit I more or less stopped reading this sentence halfway through. You were driven off of FFI. I drove you off. You offered what I thought was a more than fair challenge for your side, considering you seemed to feel that you had a god behind you, and I won. Why is it that you now find it hard to be honest or fair about that? You can call me childish if you like - but your proclamations that you can best any challenger ring a little false after your crushing defeat at FFI.
Ia: "You beat me in what, if I say I give up, does this mean your arguments suddenly become strong and correct, I don't think so."
So let's recap - if you had ever been able to out-argue me, you would have claimed this as a great victory for your god. On the other hand, when - as you yourself admitted - you think I won nothing. Well, you can't have it both ways, or the argument simply isn't fair. (I didn't think I'd have to explain this to someone at a university.) By my reckon, I beat you and your god. If you couldn't reason out a win, then you lost, and that means I was correct. That's debate. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but that's really peripheral to the process.
Ia: "You had nothing. Just a few quotes from the Quran that mean nothing on their own."
It is indeed true that they mean more when taken as a general synthesis to destroy all other forms of religion, political systems and states on the face of the planet, or to subjugate them to islam - for indeed islam means subjugation.
So, you see, Ia, while Geoff (2005) did in fact say that some muslims practice islam peacefully, he did so in the perspective that islam's definition of 'peace' and everyone's else's differ markedly. Take the obvious example of non-muslims living in muslim countries. They, too, live under the 'peace' of islam - where they are forced to subjugate their own belief systems, lives, taxes and self-respect to the feudal meanderings of an acknowledged madman.
Note: in addition to misunderstanding me, you also mis-cited me. It's Geoff (2005), not Geoff et al. (2005). I hope for your sake you're not taking biology.
Weak.
Still Unbeaten
Prophet Geoff
Geoffrey!!!!
"So one cannot divine the intent and beliefs of a worldview from their written text and the behaviour of their adherents. This is news. And here all along I thought that was quite reasonable. But Ia has his god, and if his god wants blood and wants to call that blood peace, well, who are we to argue?"
You want to know about Islam, read the Quran, read the hadith PROPERLY, study these things through the classical Islamic approach, something that has been done for more than a thousand years. You want to bypass that, go ahead, its your loss. No one will take you seriously and you will get slaughtered in any debate.
Again as you said, 'lots' of Muslims practise Islam peacefully. If you want a lesson, tell me and I will seriously take my time to explain it to you.
If you however still lust after Muslim blood and want to see me tortured and killed, what can I say. You need to give peace a chance.
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"I don't suppose Ia would care to locate that link? The one that says jihad is a strictly internal battle. Can't be bothered or doesn't exist? Of course, we understand."
Jihad is not strictly an internal battle, Jihad means strive, that can be both physical and internal.
Here is the hadith:
Upon returning from the Battle of Badr, our prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, said, “We have returned from the lesser jihad [holy war] to the greater jihad.” They asked, “O Prophet of God, which is the greater jihad?” He replied, “The struggle against the nafs [ego].” – Hadith
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"I have to admit I more or less stopped reading this sentence halfway through."
Yes, you're very childish.
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I'll say it again, I left because it became boring. If you want to take that as a victory, you can do so. It doesn't mean anything to me, so what. You think I care?
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On FFI you never did have anything against my religion, nothing. When it came to politics you may have been able to say something, but not religion.
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"By my reckon, I beat you and your god."
Okay, you beat me and my god, let the whole world know, Islam will surely collapse now, its surely the end!!!
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Geoff, you said it best. At least you stick up for Muslims that practise Islam peacefully in the UK. By the way have you found any mass graves yet here in the UK.
Geoff et al, those here at DW are really similar in that they love and enjoy watching Muslims get killed yet aren't willing to get their own hands dirty. They do this, from a distance. Your arguments are the same as the others here, when you say a word or anyone here for that matter, you represent a block of Islamophobic sadists.
Come on Geoff, you're beating around the bush.
4-0.
Ever notice how many times ia786 uses the word "slaughter"? That muslim tendency just can't be sublimated, no matter how "civilized" they appear to become from Western influence. It's the very core of their belief system.
We don't have to get our hands dirty. Eventually, a few of us will just have to push a few buttons.
"Ever notice how many times ia786 uses the word "slaughter"? That muslim tendency just can't be sublimated, no matter how "civilized" they appear to become from Western influence. It's the very core of their belief system."
So Muslims are indoctrinated with hatred and the need to murder people....Right.......Got any proof, anything to put weight behind your argument....
What!!! You've got nothing!!!
I practise true Islam, I haven't killed anyone, I haven't committed any crime, I can say the same for more than a billion people, MAAAAAN!!!!
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"We don't have to get our hands dirty. Eventually, a few of us will just have to push a few buttons."
At least you admit it. I know that the people here are cowards who worship death from a safe distance. At least you got that off you're chest.
We need help in Southern California because law enforcement is oblivious and the signs of a quickly growing Jihad movement are being ignored by citizens. Only a few have their eyes open to the virus spreading itself throughout the pillars of our society. A highjacked social security system is rendering our system susceptible. Public transportation checks needs to be implemented especially in taxis and buses.
Hollywood and the mainstream media are responsible for encouraging U.S. citizens to just look away. Inside organizations like the ACLU empowers them. We need a plan and we need actions.
"I practise true Islam, I haven't killed anyone, I haven't committed any crime, I can say the same for more than a billion people..."
-- posted by ia786
Don't be so easy on yourself. If you practice Islam, you're a criminal.
By accepting the commandments of the Koran then you admit to accepting verse 33:21, wherein God proclaims, “Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah (Mohammed) you have the most beautiful pattern of conduct.”
By committing to the Sunnah you've committed to killing Jews, Christians, and pagans. You've also committed to pedophilia. And slavery. And bigamy. And killing Moslems who leave the faith. And treason.
ia786, if you haven't copulated with a 9-year old girl you're not much of a Moslem.
Moslems are so easy on themselves because they are dissolute reprobates, lacking any moral restraint. Animals.
"Don't be so easy on yourself. If you practice Islam, you're a criminal."
Go ahead, YOU come and arrest me and a billion across the World. Ha ha ha, you're one big joke. Oh wait a minute, since you want to see me tortured and then murdered why don't you bomb us with chemical gasses. But hold on, you don’t mean anything, your opinion doesn’t mean anything. No one likes the US in the World anymore because of your admins stupidity, what a shame.
"By committing to the Sunnah you've committed to killing Jews, Christians, and pagans. You've also committed to pedophilia. And slavery. And bigamy. And killing Moslems who leave the faith. And treason."
yap, yap, yap
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Yap, yap, yap
ha ha ha, you finished?
I'm waiting for you to prove that terrorism is encouraged in Islam.
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"Moslems are so easy on themselves because they are dissolute reprobates, lacking any moral restraint. Animals."
No, I don't think that can be called an argument, pull yourself together mate.
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Ia: "You want to know about Islam, read the Quran, read the hadith PROPERLY, study these things through the classical Islamic approach, something that has been done for more than a thousand years. You want to bypass that, go ahead, its your loss. No one will take you seriously and you will get slaughtered in any debate."
Properly? As in a madrassa or state school where children are taught to hate non-muslims? Is that properly? How odd, there's quite a few muslims that learn islam there. About 1.1 billion, isn't it? Don't presume you have anything to teach me, hater. And I don't "lust after Muslim blood", you pathetic psychotic.
I think it's time that you stepped back, Ia, and seriously examined the basis of your hate for non-muslims. You'll find that we aren't all evil. If after that you still want to kill and torture all kufr, seek medical help. Still free in Britain.
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Jihad is strictly an external battle against non-muslims. Here is the quote:
"Upon returning from the Battle of Badr, our prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, said, “We have returned from the lesser jihad [holy war] to the greater jihad.” They asked, “O Prophet of God, which is the greater jihad?” He replied, “The struggle against the nafs [ego].” – Hadith
So first, one makes war on non-believers, then one makes war on personal imperfections.
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Ia: "I'll say it again, I left because it became boring. If you want to take that as a victory, you can do so. It doesn't mean anything to me, so what. You think I care?"
Well, you're still debating it, after you admitted that I won. So you do care, and you're a poor loser. Sorry.
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Ia: "On FFI you never did have anything against my religion, nothing. When it came to politics you may have been able to say something, but not religion."
On the contrary, I lambasted you and your religion. I have a great deal to say about it. And there is nothing you can do about it.
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Geoff: "By my reckon, I beat you and your god."
Ia: "Okay, you beat me and my god, let the whole world know"
OK, I will.
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"By the way have you found any mass graves yet here in the UK."
No. Only in Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Jerusalem, Iran, India. Oh, and Saudi Arabia.
Ia: "Geoff et al, those here at DW are really similar in that they love and enjoy watching Muslims get killed"
Prove your statements, or get banned. Your call. Illustrate where the people here have called for the death of muslims, liar.
8-0.
Prophet Geoff
Beater of Ia
From Ia786's silly Muslim-speak posts above:
"I am a Muslim through and through, I have not committed any terrorist attacks and never will."
Translation:
As a Muslim, I am a tacit supporter of terrorism and anything else that furthers the goals of Islam -- NO MATTER WHAT! I am a supporter of ANYTHING that empowers the OOOOOMA to fight the infidel through and through, but since you can't pin the so called 'terrorism' crime directly on me I can continue to claim to have never committed any terrorist act... This will be necessary until my religion is in the majority in your country -- then the notion of "terrorist attack" will no longer have currency -- killing kaffir is like killing goats -- they are a lower order of being -- would anyone suggest that the corner butcher is a terrorist for butchering a goat?! Could the goat herder be accused of "terrorism" for killing a dog who had trespassed on his lands? "Terrorism" will be an absurd notion once the Muslims rule over you..."
And elsewhere:
"You have proved nothing, this site proves nothing."
Translation:
As a thrall of Islam it is my duty to Allah to NEVER criticize Islam, NEVER admit the flaws of Islam to myself, NEVER admit the flaws of Islam to another Muslim on pain of death, and especially NEVER admit the flaws of Islam to ANY infidel EVER... Furthermore, as part of the OOOOMA, it is paramount for me continue to deny the nevertheless undeniable logic of the Infidel that my "religion" is a sewer of corruption, totalitarianism, hate, betrayal, and genocide... No matter how many people my fellow Muslims slaughter, and no matter how high the mountain of evidence I am confronted with that my religion is like cancer unto humanity... my most important duty is to DENY DENY DENY OBFUSCATE OBFUSCATE OBFUSCATE and most importantly LIE LIE LIE... Until Islam rules over all... Allah willing...!
Once you can read a translation of his Muslim-speak, it all makes sense...
Ia786 -- KOed -- and not for the first time!
"Properly? As in a madrassa or state school where children are taught to hate non-muslims? Is that properly? How odd, there's quite a few muslims that learn islam there. About 1.1 billion, isn't it? Don't presume you have anything to teach me, hater. And I don't "lust after Muslim blood", you pathetic psychotic."
Weak.
No substance.
"I think it's time that you stepped back, Ia, and seriously examined the basis of your hate for non-muslims. You'll find that we aren't all evil. If after that you still want to kill and torture all kufr, seek medical help. Still free in Britain."
I'm glad you've come to this. As a good Muslim (God is Great!!) I live peacefully with Non-Muslims. My closest friends are mainly Sikhs, I have great respect for them and we do everything together. I was raised in a mixed community, I've been singing Christmas hymns since I was a little kid, I've spent years studying Christianity. We once had a Sheikh come to our house from the Mid-East and our local Church leader came to greet him out of respect, he came to our house. I have great respect for all Mankind, for we were all created by the one true God.
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"So first, one makes war on non-believers, then one makes war on personal imperfections."
Read the hadith again, and try doing this after wards, try.....thinking. It actually does benefit us humans, it helps us move forward. You should try it sometime.
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"On the contrary, I lambasted you and your religion. I have a great deal to say about it. And there is nothing you can do about it."
Bring it on!!!
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"No. Only in Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Jerusalem, Iran, India. Oh, and Saudi Arabia."
What some Muslim does half way across the World has nothing to do with me. I am responsible for my own actions, not for anyone else. Judge me, by my actions, actions that are influenced by the religion of Islam!!! Across the World we see that the overwhelming majority of Muslims practise Islam peacefully, what can you do about that.
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"Ia: "Geoff et al, those here at DW are really similar in that they love and enjoy watching Muslims get killed"
Prove your statements, or get banned. Your call. Illustrate where the people here have called for the death of muslims, liar."
Okay, please go to the Pakistani earthquake page. Oh, and read on comment here by some guy, about pushing buttons and worshipping death, from a distance. We had a call for some missiles to be fired at Pakistan after the Earthquake.
Oh, check this one out:
"These crazy Muslims, let them all gather together in one spot, like an ant hill.
Then...............well, we know the rest of this story, don't we?"
Too easy.
You want be banned......ha ha ha, I didn't mean to upset you Geoffrey, please don't ban me, you people mean so much to me. ha ha ha
So that’s your last resort, you really are childish. You must feel really lonely, huh? banning anyone won't do a thing, it won't improve the image of the US in the rest of the World, huh?
God is Great!!!
6-0.
From Ia786's silly Muslim-speak posts above:
"I am a Muslim through and through, I have not committed any terrorist attacks and never will."
Translation:
As a Muslim, I am a tacit supporter of terrorism and anything else that furthers the goals of Islam -- NO MATTER WHAT! I am a supporter of ANYTHING that empowers the OOOOOMA to fight the infidel through and through, but since you can't pin the so called 'terrorism' crime directly on me I can continue to claim to have never committed any terrorist act... This will be necessary until my religion is in the majority in your country -- then the notion of "terrorist attack" will no longer have currency -- killing kaffir is like killing goats -- they are a lower order of being -- would anyone suggest that the corner butcher is a terrorist for butchering a goat?! Could the goat herder be accused of "terrorism" for killing a dog who had trespassed on his lands? "Terrorism" will be an absurd notion once the Muslims rule over you..."
And elsewhere:
"You have proved nothing, this site proves nothing."
Translation:
As a thrall of Islam it is my duty to Allah to NEVER criticize Islam, NEVER admit the flaws of Islam to myself, NEVER admit the flaws of Islam to another Muslim on pain of death, and especially NEVER admit the flaws of Islam to ANY infidel EVER... Furthermore, as part of the OOOOMA, it is paramount for me continue to deny the nevertheless undeniable logic of the Infidel that my "religion" is a sewer of corruption, totalitarianism, hate, betrayal, and genocide... No matter how many people my fellow Muslims slaughter, and no matter how high the mountain of evidence I am confronted with that my religion is like cancer unto humanity... my most important duty is to DENY DENY DENY OBFUSCATE OBFUSCATE OBFUSCATE and most importantly LIE LIE LIE... Until Islam rules over all... Allah willing...!
Once you can read a translation of his Muslim-speak, it all makes sense...
Ia786 -- KOed -- and not for the first time!