Here is a curious article from the Arab News. A Hindu from birth, but "guided" into Islam while working in Saudi Arabia, Canadian resident Mr. Kapoor realizes dawa opportunities following the September 11th terror attacks.
On the cold, winter night of Dec. 31, 2001, two average-looking Muslims, armed with nothing more than the love of the Prophet Muhammad and Islam, were braving temperatures of minus 16 degrees Celsius on the streets of Toronto. Amid the ringing bells ushering in the New Year, the two men distributed free English translations of the Holy Qur’an among those celebrating the holiday. Little more than three months after the tragedy of Sept. 11, the gesture in an important North American city was courageous to say the least.One of those courageous Muslims was Suhail Kapoor. He had been in the country only two years, having emigrated from Saudi Arabia in 1999 where he spent nearly 21 years — first as an economic researcher for the Arabic business daily, Al-Eqtisadiah, and then as Western Region sales manager of UPS.
Currently on a monthlong visit to Saudi Arabia, Kapoor recalls that night with pride. “Sept. 11 had spawned all kinds of attacks on Islam and Muslims. New Year’s Eve celebrations provided us with the best platform to distribute copies of the Qur’an. There was a hunger among the revelers to know more about the Holy Book; they scrambled for it. In about two hours we ran out of the 800 copies we had brought to distribute, proving that inter-faith dialogue remains the best option.”
While the Arab News article refers to September 11th as a tragedy, Mr. Kapoor bristled in its aftermath with the idea of an opportunity to promulgate Islam. His concern over spurious "counter-attacks" against Muslims betrays his lack of empathy for the three thousand who were ruthlessly murdered. His misinterpetation of the "hunger amongst the revelers to know more about the Holy Book" is an indication of his single-minded fanaticism. Could it possibly be that those who "scrambled" for free copies of the Qur'an wanted to understand the mindset of the perpetrators of this horrible crime?
He continues to be a man with a mission. “Ever since I have been in Canada, I’ve engaged in dawa (propagation) activities. I visit jails, meet prisoners and tell them about the message of Islam. Normally I go to every little place where I see an opportunity to promote Islam. I have to make sure that the light of peace which was shown to me is shown to others as well. I will stop an airhostess, a rickshaw puller, a doctor, an uncle, a neighbor or a policeman. I leave no one out. If somebody who is a non-Muslim is in contact with me, he will get the message of Islam.”Kapoor says Islam is a good tonic for the ills of society. “In Western society, where the outside forces are so huge, our gullible youth can become easy prey. The Qur’an Academy provides a place for these youngsters to come together and interact and to connect with the community.” His son, Yousef, has enrolled himself in the academy. The eighth-grader soon will become a hafiz (one who has learned the Qur’an by heart).
“We also provide the government-approved academic education at the academy,” Kapoor said. “Otherwise you will produce a stereotypical Muslim who has no clue about the science of the world. In a country that is so far ahead, you have to have both ‘deen’ (religion) and ‘duniya’ (world).”
Kapoor is looking for resources. He knows people in Saudi Arabia are generous and hopes to move forward with his mission. “Since the academy’s operation is expanding, we are looking to move into bigger premises, and this will need money. We also need donors who can sponsor children at the academy. A scarcity of funds is hampering our activities. We are unable to carry out our commitment in the fullest sense of the word.”
Kapoor also needs free copies of the Holy Qur’an, from 10,000-15,000 copies. Of that number, 10,000 should be in English; the rest can be in French, Tagalog, Chinese or Italian.
Rest assured Mr. Kapoor. The Saudi funds are on the way.
Re: "Kapoor recalls that night with pride. “Sept. 11 had spawned all kinds of attacks on Islam and Muslims. New Year’s Eve celebrations provided us with the best platform to distribute copies of the Qur’an. There was a hunger among the revelers to know more about the Holy Book;"
Yeah, right Mr. Kapoor. I live in Toronto and there were daily attacks on Muslims and Islam - in your imagination you brainwashed idiot. Yup, I'm sure Torontonians were eagerly accepting your copies of the Qur'an - it's great for mopping up spilled drinks. Taquiya Mr. Kapoor, taquiya. Personally I prefer tequila you dipshit.
Re: "Ever since I have been in Canada, I’ve engaged in dawa (propagation) activities. I visit jails, meet prisoners and tell them about the message of Islam."
Jails, prisoners - that's the intellectual level that converts must be. Anyone else with a smidgeon of intelligence would tell you to what to kiss.
Re: "I will stop an airhostess, a rickshaw puller, a doctor, an uncle, a neighbor or a policeman. I leave no one out. If somebody who is a non-Muslim is in contact with me, he will get the message of Islam.”
Damn - I forgot about those rickshaw pullers in Toronto winters. It's really tough when they can't afford snow tires for those rickshaws. Policemen too, I bet they were eager for your story. Well, I'm non-Muslim and if I am in contact with you, you will certainly get the message of what I think of your crappy murderous cult.
Re: "His son, Yousef, has enrolled himself in the academy. The eighth-grader soon will become a hafiz (one who has learned the Qur’an by heart)."
Yup, nice to have a little madrassa branwashed robot - lot's of career opportunities for a hafiz - like becoming a shaheed for instance.
BTW - the article lists Mr. Kapoor's mobile phone number as: 050 874-6496
This sure isn't a Toronto region area code - anyone know where it is?
Robert or Hugh:
I was going to e-mail this to you but may as well note it here as it fits in with this thread.
Queen's University in Kingston sent an alumni e-mail including the following link. It appears Tariq Ramada will be giving a lecture tomorrow evening.
"Tariq Ramadan, a leading Muslim scholar and one of Time magazine’s top 100 innovators of the 21st century, will give this year’s prestigious Donald Mathers Memorial Trust Lecture at Queen’s University.
The internationally known scholar will present his public lecture -- The Creative Contribution of Islam Within Canadian Self-Understanding -- on Wednesday Oct. 12 at 7:30 p.m. in Convocation Hall, Theological Hall, Queen's University. All are welcome. Seating is limited. "
"Earlier that day Prof. Ramadan will also deliver Cultivating Peace Around the World And Defending Canada Proactively: An Islamic Perspective, speaking at the Royal Military College from 8 to 10 a.m."
I wonder what the military cadets will think of him and question if they've been prepared. I hope so.
http://qnc.queensu.ca/story_loader.php?id=433bf22f6c076
Mr. Kapoor seems to have been quite busy spreading Islam throughout Canada since his arrival there. And, I bet that he had big bonuses from his conversion to Islam too while he lived in Saudi Arabia. Yup, Muslims always seem to have it both ways, when they are in the majority and when they are in the minority. Mr. Kapoor was able to practice his new religion freely in the KSA, and he is able to practice his religion freely in Canada. Of course, if he had another kind of conversion in Saudi Arabia, perhaps to Christianity...well, it's best not to even think about that or write about that in mainstream newspapers. It just might put the already maligned religion of peace in a bad light.
Kapoor is simply a man on the make, who knows which side of his bread is buttered on, and who has his hand out for contributions from his would-be sugar dishdasha daddies in Saudi Arabia.
The business of Tariq Ramadan is more troubling. No one has read Magdi Allam's Open Letter to Tariq Ramadan? No one has read Carline (or is it Catherine) Fourest's "Frere Tariq" up there in famously bilingual Canada, where a whole province next door to Ontario is dedicated to the proposition that a Kosher butcher on St.-Laurent must be a charcuterie hebraique, and so on?
Can it really be that Canadians are just as dumb as Americans? Hasn't that been the lifelong fear of Canadians, practically since Montcalm and Wolfe met on the Plains of Abraham? Sure it has.
O God. O more than Montreal. Canadians, come to your collective senses. Even the titles of Ramadan's talks sound like a parody placed at JW in a spirit of fun.
No -- I am sure no true-blue Canadian anywhere in the Confederation from the A. to the P. could conceivably be impressed by someone named by TIME Magazine as one of the "100 Greatest anything" -- what was it, "innovator" -- come on.
Go out, mesdames et messieurs, ladies and gentlemen. Go buy "The Dhimmi" or "Islam and Dhimmitude" or "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam" or "Onward Muslim Soldiers" or "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" or "Why I Am Not a Muslim" or "Leaving Islam" or "The Legacy of Jihad." Read them, study them, pass them on. Talk to your friends. Don't let them fall for any of this.
Otherwise the word will get out. Yes, Canadians really are, collectively, as stupid as Americans. And what if -- what if it began to be bruited about that they were -- imagine! -- even more gullible, even dumber.
You'd never live it down. Not even Margaret Atwood could save you.
Hugh:
I'm not sure that it's a case of Canadians being as dumb as Americans on this issue. I think it's more along the line of Canadian academics are as collectively stupid as American academics (or academics in most western universities).
Hugh:
It looks like I've got your attention on this thread. Below is a link to an interesting article that I have been saving in hard copy for some time. I wasn't sure how to get it to you as it wasn't available on the magazine's web site.
The magazine is Saturday Night and in June, 2004 they published an interesting article called "Among the Unbelievers". Not a great title since the article deals with Muslim apostates in the Toronto area specifically and apostates in general.
I was going to see if I could scan it and e-mail it to you and Robert - but good news. I just checked their website and they now have an archive of past feature articles - and there it is.
Nothing revolutionary but it's an interesting read.
http://www.saturdaynight.ca/feature/article.cfm?listing_id=27
Cellphone number looks like a Saudi number. If anyone's that curious, dial 00966 (Saudi country code), drop the first zero, dial 50, then the last 7 digits. Phone must be a relatively expensive tri-band phone.
jay
First of all: What a freak.
Secondly: Does he have a clue what happened to Hindus in the Northwest Frontier and West Punjab during the Islamic Invasions and the Partition of India, since he is a Kapoor, he would have been a Khatri (business) family of West Punjab which is now in Pakistan.
Third: Why in the hell do they keep their Hindu surname whne they go all Gung-ho on the "Islam is the Light of my Ass" crap.
Honestly, is this guy for real, after seeing his pic I wonder if he is just not another Pakistani trying to do the whole "I was a Hindu who became a Muslim because I learned how to light my farts blind-folded, Praise be Allah".
Whatever the truth, this guy has issues, and who in the hell wants their kid to become a Hafiz, we don't need another Osama.
Hugh - the prize for stupidity has to go the UK though, who keep Islamic preachers and suicide bombers on benefits just so they can free up their time to destroy us, then shrug their shoulders haplessly and say they can't be shipped out back to their respective Islamic paradises.
Gorkhali:
Why in the hell do they keep their Hindu surname whne they go all Gung-ho on the "Islam is the Light of my Ass" crap.
I, too, was surprised when I learned that pakis/indian moslems too have surnames like Gill, Sandhu which are Punjabi. Only their first and middle names(if any) were Moslem.
I was reading a report on the quake today http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/4329782.stm. See the name, Shabbir Kataria(Para 2). To my knowledge, Kataria is a Hindu surname and most of the Kataria's hail from the Jammu region. Puzzling!
Click to enlarge for view of the murderous sob:
http://www.iranian.ws/gallery/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=4&pos=-1589
Mr. Kapoor should move to the United States, set up a "charity" that "provides social services" (like, say for instance...counseling) then he can receive federal funding as a faith-based initiative. After all, Islam is the tonic that cures the ills of society. And Islam is a tolerant and respected beief system. If you don't believe me, just ask Mr. Kapoor, or Mr. Bush.
Now Gary is going to tell us WHO set up the idea of funding "faith-based" initiatives JUST LIKE the one that Mr. Kapoor could start, right Gary?
Ready, set, go: (here comes Gary's explanation)
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Well, I'm non-Muslim and if I am in contact with you, you will certainly get the message of what I think of your crappy murderous cult.
LOL
I think it's more along the line of Canadian academics are as collectively stupid as American academics
Remember that if you or someone you love needs an MRI, CATscan, vaccine, or antibiotic researched and developed by "dumb academicians."
It's always the same old crap: get the eggheads, blame the intellectuals, blame the artsy-fartsy stuffed academic shirts, right?
Sorry, not all of us can afford a "quality" education where they teach that the earth is really only 6,000 years old and the dinosaur bones were but there by Satan. You know, places like Liberty University, Heritage University, Pepperdine, and Bob Jones.
But DON'T WORRY: soon aaaaall universities will have to teach Creationism (or it's more-palatable variants)... then we can stop monitoring hurricanes, because after all, meterology is "only a theory" too. The fact is that come Intelligent Designer controls the weather, and whatever He wants is what happens. So there's no point in trying to make predictions, right? What God wants, God gets.
And remember, people: the good book says that God doesn't want us to communicate with people of other languages; remember the Tower of Babel?
And remember, that Pi really equals 3, and that there are no biblical injunctions against lesbianism.
Stop projecting, kj, you do so Much of it... Just tell us you don't really know. In the meantime you can explain to us how well the faith-based mess goes hand-in-glove with Clinton's helping islam be pushed in the schools:
http://www.blessedcause.org/proof/Clinton%20Islam%20Partnership.htm
They fit rather well, don't you think?
*sees the second post* Sheesh, you really hate the fundamentalists, eh? I am right there with you, kj. They haven't got a clue.
LOL KJ. In addition to the "dawa" bristling in Canada, I also have to brush aside the "Holy Bible Placed by the Gideons" when I place my items in the bedside table in the hotels I stay in....the same Bible with passages like:
"No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)
or
"Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
"Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood." (Jeremiah 48:10)
or
"And put a knife to your throat if you have a ravenous appetite." (Proverbs 23:2)
kt agrees with kj? Need we say more? Shall we hear from dr. dawa next?
Hugh:
Canadians may be dumber about da'wa, etc., than Americans (remember Jean Chretien pleading with the Pakistani government to release Ahmed Kadr so he could rejoin Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan) and Peggy (Handmaids' Tale)Atwood is one of the dumbest of the dumb.
As for the battle of whose holy texts are more absurd, bellicose and otherwise offensive, that was a rather paltry offering from KingMoralEquivalencer.
Sure, Gary. A one, two, three punch of intellectual honesty ought to do you and your smarmy minions well and keep you angry, obtunded, and irrelevant, just the way you should be!
Nope. For one thing, you have yet to display any. For another, the islamists will cut your throat just as soon as ours, and you are on their side, even if only nominally.
Dawa can't even answer the questions that have been put to him. Wrong on all counts, as per usual.
Waterdragon: "As for the battle of whose holy texts are more absurd, bellicose and otherwise offensive, that was a rather paltry offering from KingMoralEquivalencer."
King: Moral Equivalency to you = intellecutal honesty to me and the rest of the world. What you dismiss is perfectly relevant.
Allow me to turn up the heat a bit. You are a Jew so a few of these Old Testament bits ought to resonate with you as well:
"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)
"A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death." (Leviticus 20:27)
"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:15)
"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
The left will stand with anyone who can put up with the pious nonsense they spout.
Muslims will stand with any useful idiot they can use.
Gary: "Wrong on all counts, as per usual."
King: Beacuse you choose to ignore or dismiss perfectly relevant agruments does not necessarily make something wrong or false. Indeed, you appear to be here only to be a minimal antagonist or the occasionaly cheerleader for Geoff/Imam/Prophet/BBUDH. I haven't seen you get out your pom-poms in a while, though...
Relevant? Show me where any of those Old-Testament laws are being followed today. Quote us where Jesus specifically commands that such laws be followed. Quote us where the Jews are following such laws today.
As compared to koranic verses that are being followed Each day, Every day.
kj wrote:
"And remember........that there are no biblical injunctions against lesbianism."
There is a God!
Gary: "Show me where any of those Old-Testament laws are being followed today."
King: Ahhh! Glad you went here. My point is (and always has been) that scripture in all religions is fair-game for interpretation or selective ignoring of the passages that give you the heebie-jeebies. You seem impervious to this point and choose to obfuscate so you can stick to your bigoted guns.
Indeed, many Muslims do the same as many Christians and Jews do with their own scripture, that is, they practice a modern version of their religion leaving behind the passages that are irrelevant. Islam is capable of being progressive and certainly is practiced by millions in this fashion. Your ignorance of this fact does not make it go away.
While you all quake in your boots about "dawa" activities, you also choose to ignore the FACT that Christianity was spread around the globe by invasion, occupation, forced conversion and mass slaughter. The FACT that this occured before we were all born does not erase it.
"Intelectual honesty is the best policy."
Obviously the King has no testicles.
Gary: "Show me where any of those Old-Testament laws are being followed today."
King: Ahhh! Glad you went here. My point is (and always has been) that scripture in all religions is fair-game for interpretation or selective ignoring of the passages that give you the heebie-jeebies. You seem impervious to this point and choose to obfuscate so you can stick to your bigoted guns.
Indeed, many Muslims do the same as many Christians and Jews do with their own scripture, that is, they practice a modern version of their religion leaving behind the passages that are irrelevant. Islam is capable of being progressive and certainly is practiced by millions in this fashion. Your ignorance of this fact does not make it go away.
While you all quake in your boots about "dawa" activities, you also choose to ignore the FACT that Christianity was spread around the globe by invasion, occupation, forced conversion and mass slaughter. The FACT that this occured before we were all born does not erase it.
"Intelectual honesty is the best policy."
kj,
Dense, or obfuscating?
Confusing MESA or liberal arts with the hard sciences is like trying to hammer the square peg into the round hole.
"Intellectual"
0 out of 10 for spelling.
0 out of 10 for grammar.
0 out of 10 for appeasement
10 out of 10 for the laughs.
Januaryman: "Obviously the King has no testicles."
King: Obviously you have nothing of value to say so you settled for an insult. Romper room returns.
Well done, what a perfect "dhimmiwatcher" you make as you further devalue the website and capitulate to intellectual honesty.
King: Ahhh! Glad you went here. My point is (and always has been) that scripture in all religions is fair-game for interpretation or selective ignoring of the passages that give you the heebie-jeebies. You seem impervious to this point and choose to obfuscate so you can stick to your bigoted guns.
Gary: Totally wrong once again, kt. We left such things far, Far behind. Islam practices them on a daily basis. Immams world-wide quote the koran on a daily basis, to support the terrorism. You have Yet to disprove that.
Intellectual and Honesty?
Two traits the King will never be accused of.
I figured out why KT resolutely stays away from JW and only posts on DW. It's because he can't argue against the FACTS of what the jihadists have done as posted on JW, he can only pick on the victim's responses to the outrages as posted on DW. What a coward. Looks like Dr. Dawa is his cowering cohort.
BTW, I don't respond to trolls, muslims, defenders of nor apologists for the blood-cult of islam, so don't bother.
The King (KT) is icing down those crushed testicles of his (her, whatever).
Gary: "We left such things far, Far behind."
King: You're coming along nicely. So, by "leaving things far behind" you are in essence accepting them yet pretending that they have no relevance. I see...
Gary: "Islam practices them on a daily basis. Immams world-wide quote the koran on a daily basis, to support the terrorism. You have Yet to disprove that."
King: I thought we were discussing 'dawa' and not terrorism. In any event, radicalism has its roots just as progressiveness does. Those who use their religious texts to support terrorism do so radically and at the expense of the many, many Koranic verses that promote peace and tolerance. Those who choose to ignore those draconian texts (as do Christians and Jews do with the examples I've posted above) do so progressively.
Januaryman: "The King (KT) is icing down those crushed testicles of his (her, whatever). "
King: Please continue to devalue both this website and your relevance with your insults!
CGW: "I figured out why KT resolutely stays away from JW...What a coward...BTW, I don't respond to trolls, muslims, defenders of nor apologists for the blood-cult of islam, so don't bother."
King: I think your fickleness and inability to take your own advice requires no further comment from me. Again, you and Januaryman are doing a fine job of devaluing both yourselves, your arguments and this website.
Gary !!! Good job. that KingTolerance is one dumb guy. Incapable of judging a religion by its current acts rather that obscure sections of its Scriptures. Where does he get off taking the name....Tolerance? Should be ....Ignorance.
capner: "KingTolerance is one dumb guy. Incapable of judging a religion by its current acts rather that obscure sections of its Scriptures."
King: The invective is deliciously overwhelming especially when it is so, so self defeating.
Read what I posted again, Capner, and see if the history lesson and double standard seeps in. It won't but its worth a try anyhow.
Engaging in debate with the trolls is never going to yield any results.
Victories here & there only see them scurrying off for a short period, only to reappear when they think the coast is clear, or as we have seen recently sign in with a spanking new identity. (The buddy buddy "I've read your blog & its great" line really gave it away earlier in the week for me, like a poor script to a poor film where you guess the ending before the opening titles have shot by)
Whatever identity the troll is using today (I suspect the same troglodyte has 3 identities)
trying to get any sense out of him / her / it / is a waste of time.
Said troll comes here to stifle & stop debate & the exchange of idea's to thwart Jihad.
Scroll by the troll, nothing to feed here.
Albion - you never cease to amaze! Not only are you here, once again in spite of your own trite "scroll-troll" nonesense, you now think I am other people. My IP address will verify to the contrary so I'll not worry about this bit, but to what depths will you sink?
I understand that my position is frustrating you but the constant stream of vituperation, hypocrisy and now claims of false identity are a bit much. Take a deep breath and try to join us for a real discussion.
If the identity thing still bothers you, I implore you to contact the webmaster to see if you can verify this false claim.
King:
Your list is still very paltry compared to the lists of offensive quotes from the Quoran, Suras and Hadiths and not one is an injunction to conquer other lands and compell the inhabitants to either convert, pay protection money to the conquerors, leave or be killed.
And moral equivalences, such as your famous one likening bloggers here to the blood libels and allegations made about Jews prior to the Holocaust, are anything but intellectually honest. In the life insurance business, we say that salesmen who induce people to replace their policies with whatever they are flogging by making unfair or dishonest comparisons are guilty of "twisting", an illegal practice. However innocent your intentions may be, what you do is just as morally sleazy.
Waterdragon: "However innocent your intentions may be, what you do is just as morally sleazy."
King: A Jew, engaging in the very same wholesale religious slander and corrosive ideologies that the Nazis used to exterminate Jews, your people, from Europe is calling me sleazy! A Jew, who calls my examples of draconian measures in the Old Testament is calling me sleazy!
Of all people here, you have, by far, proven yourself to be the most disappointing and dense of them all. You ought to be ashamed but you are not. You are under the spell of demagoguery.
Capner,
Where does he get off taking the name....Tolerance? Should be ....Ignorance.
Capner, you must be new here. Welcome.
K.T. has been polluting that site with his pompous idiocies for some time now and in the process of advertising his amazing silliness he has secured for himself such decorous apellations like Kink Cretin, Kink Quisling, Kink Taqyiah, KingkStoopid, KinkTroll ...and a few more which I don't recall now.
As a matter of fact there is an undeclared competition here who can come up with more amusing name for that pathetic TROLL.
You are cordially invited to make your own contribution to the merriment. Have fun.
"While you all quake in your boots about "dawa" activities, you also choose to ignore the FACT that Christianity was spread around the globe by invasion, occupation, forced conversion and mass slaughter. The FACT that this occured before we were all born does not erase it.
"Intelectual honesty is the best policy"
So you're an expert on the spread of Chirstianity, eh King...all those invasions and forced conversions!
So I've a question: did the Romans invade Russia or Poland or Ireland or Ethiopia or Scandinavia? Was Kerela in India once occupied by the legions of Rome?
No, of course not.
So according to your viewpoint, KT, just how did these people come to be Christianised?
Being of both Polish and Irish extraction I can tell you; we came to Christ out of love for the faith, and NOT out of invasion
The Invasions and forced conversions you speak of were carried out by the Spaniards, weren't they?
Those are the nasty fellas you refer to in you post, aren't they.
Spanish Catholicism and its methods of propagation were most definately a bloody and brutal affair, weren't they, King?
Yet King, what is it about Spanish Catholicism that makes it so different. What is it in the cultural background of Imperial Spain that gave rise to such violence and which drenched the name of Christianity in so much blood. What sets it so far apart, and what gives it that distinctive stench of intolerance that so sets it apart from other versions of the same faith practised just north of the Pyrenees?
700 years of Arabo-Muslim contact, that's what.
Cortes may have been a "Christian", but he and his cohorts invaded and forcibly converted using methods and techniques that have their origins in Islamic jihad. The "tone" of the conquistadors, King, despite their claim of Christianity is entirely Islamic in nature. Imperial Spain's legendary intolerance, it's lust for blood, and its penchant for inquisitions and "purity" are ALL the unfortunate result of Islamic influences
So when you cite these examples of invasion and forced conversions, King, all you're really denouncing are those aspects of Spanish Catholicism that are Arabo/Muslim in origin.
In other words, you denounce Islam!
Thomas H.: "As a matter of fact there is an undeclared competition here who can come up with more amusing name for that pathetic TROLL.
You are cordially invited to make your own contribution to the merriment. Have fun."
King: By all means! The more of this you all engage in the more you devalue your beloved website. As potential debaters come through, they will see just how people behave here and either ignore you all and pass on by or join in on the self-defeating invective.
Now I do believe I've posted a few perfectly points above. If all I can expect are things like "troll" or "KinkQuisling" see above.
John Palubinski: "So you're an expert on the spread of Chirstianity, eh King...all those invasions and forced conversions"
King: Expert? I'm no expert, I can easily go to the web and find many instances where Christianity was spread across the world by violence. Choosing to put a rosey glow on this, as you have, does not change the fact that millions of aboriginals in Central and South America were slain by invaders of Spanish, Portugues and French origin. Africa was dissected and evalgalized by several other Christian European nations, India was also evangilized. Often, the spread of Christianity was met with resistance as the teachings of the missionaries were intolerant of local customs and tribal ties and boundaries setting the stage for centuries of future turmoil. You are accepting the way things ARE, and not how they got there.
King:
Denouncing jihad ideology, which springs directly from Islam, is not wholesale slander of anyone, Muslims included. Calling spades (jihaddists or apologists for jihad) spades and holding them accountable for their misdeeds is not defamatory.
Moral equivalencing -- arguing that one thing is the same and therefore just as bad, when they clearly aren't, however, is exactly what enables the aiders, abetters and active proponents of jihad to justify or rationalize acts of extreme violence. Hence the jihaddists and their apologists freely describe Israel as the same as apartheid South Africa, or that Bush is no better than Saddam, and all sorts of similar lies and distortions.
Troll Posted:
"King: By all means! The more of this you all engage in the more you devalue your beloved website. As potential debaters come through, they will see just how people behave here and either ignore you all and pass on by or join in on the self-defeating invective"
Does he need to spell it out any further?
He is here to "devalue the website" & the great work it does.
Scroll by the troll, nothing to feed here...
(& if this troll isn't a Muslim, he would have a presence on Jihad websites actually trying to engage the faithful to "mend their ways" as he does with us. Obviously he see's us as a bigger threat to the world than the Jihadists themselves - either that or he is a closet Muslim, only here to denigrate the site)
Scroll by the troll, nothing to feed here...
Albion: "Does he need to spell it out any further?
He is here to "devalue the website" & the great work it does."
King: No, I've already told you that I am here for a debate on a very important issue that I've taken an opposing position on. If you and your minions choose to engage in invective or vituperation it is equally OK with me, as it DEFILES YOUR OWN FORUM.
Albion: "Obviously he see's us as a bigger threat to the world than the Jihadists themselves - either that or he is a closet Muslim, only here to denigrate the site"
King: Closet Muslim or even a guy using two or three identities. Whatever. Your genious precedes you, no wonder you choose ad hominem to a good debate and no wonder its as easy as disagreeing with you to make you chase your tail. I wonder how many posts you will make in spite of your own trite advice??
Waterdragon: "Moral equivalencing -- arguing that one thing is the same and therefore just as bad, when they clearly aren't, however, is exactly what enables the aiders, abetters and active proponents of jihad to justify or rationalize acts of extreme violence."
King: I offer my intellectual honesty to bolster my point that history should teach us. What I and the many other sentient people also do is see how one action provokes another. It is a proven fact that Muslims live among us peacefully. It isa proven fact that some Muslims are angered with the West right now and wish for things to change. It is a proven fact that you will not change the religion of over a billion people simply because you whimper about it on a website like this.
Troll posted:
"I'm no expert, I can easily go to the web and find many instances where Christianity was spread across the world by violence. "
Yes. And?
Ahh - so, again, because Christianity was indeed once spread by violence in some areas, we should now accept the spread of a religion that's still violent?
"Don't do anything until a medical professional arrives." The 'Kids in the Hall' defense. Right.
I see he's done his homework though - ooooh, naughty Biblical passages! I wonder if he could also outline where Christian terrorism has been justified by any of the above.
If there were any Christian terrorism, that is.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
"It is a proven fact that Muslims live among us peacefully. It isa proven fact that some Muslims are angered with the West right now and wish for things to change. It is a proven fact that you will not change the religion of over a billion people simply because you whimper about it on a website like this. "
A PROVEN fact? Just what jihadist sites has the troll been, indeed, trolling lately? I like how they always throw the p-word in there without really understanding its connotations.
So, I suppose I should then be allowed to say: it is a PROVEN fact that many, if not a large percentage of muslims either support terrorism or support those who support it, or are at least indifferent to it. It is a PROVEN fact that many muslims would love for the West to become islamic, since misery loves company. It is a PROVEN fact that many Westerners (a majority in many countries) are angry with islam because of its inherent violence and the oppression of non-muslims, women and homosexuals in islam. It is a PROVEN fact that no amount of trolling by jihadists on this website will change that fact, no matter how they scream and shout and stamp their feet on this website - impotent, ineffective, ignorant.
Too easy.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Almost forgot: it is PROVEN that Kapoor, above, doesn't give a shit about human life lest it be in submission to his moon-god.
Perhaps this is the opinion of the troll also.
"If you and your minions choose to engage in invective or vituperation it is equally OK with me, as it DEFILES YOUR OWN FORUM."
True. It defiles me to speak with you. As, of course, I'm:
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Ooh. One more.
"Geoff/Imam/Prophet/BBUH"
Quite so. I appreciate that you finally recognize my eminence. I was afraid I'd have to fatwa you.
Now I command you to get back to your "internet projects" with your nephew.
LOL!
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
What? He ran away?
Pfft.
Geoff
I was wondering how long it would take Geoff/Imam/Prophet/Gatlin Gun to surface!
5 posts in 14 minutes in the same thread to the same person, filled with ad hominem and nose thumbing and not one iota of effort put into some sort of point.
You just can't script this sort of irony, folks.
Kapoor must have seen Disneys "Jonny Appleseed". Or maybe he got the inspiration from the bible."Go forth and multiply". He's right though. Islam seeds dont germinate very well, so you got to sow lots of them around. Jail dirt is one good place to sprout them. Most Islam seeds just abort. If they grow at all they are weak and spindly and will attempt to invade and sap the nutrition of others. They send out runners in every direction and pop up most anywhere. The only way to get rid of creeping Islam is to stop watering it with money and credibility.
Kingky:While you all quake in your boots about "dawa" activities, you also choose to ignore the FACT that Christianity was spread around the globe by invasion, occupation, forced conversion and mass slaughter.
You cant spread Christianity like that. You cant spread Islam like that either. The only thing you convert people 'to' by those methods, is that the aggressor is tough, deadly and means business, AND wants your money in the form of cash or tribute. No muslim with a sword at your neck can force you to believe in Allah, or Christ. But you can be 'forced' to 'say' you do so you can pay the tax and pretend to be a believer.
Christianity as a religious philosophy based on the teachings of Jesus has no provisions to spread itself in the manner you discribe. The Catholic Church which perverted itself early on, did indulge in depravities, not because Chrisitanity called for it, but because its power allowed for it. Absolute power corrupts absolutly was personified in many Popes, most notably Alexander the Sixth, Rodrigo Borgia. A man bankrupt of any spiritual values at all.
You can make the case that some Christians are violent and ego possessed, but you cant make the same claim about Christianity. There is nothing in Jesus teachings that even come close to:
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
OR:
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Christianity is in large part the "Sermon On The Mt', and the 'Beatitudes'. There is nothing in these that advocate fighting, invading, terrorising, mass slaughter, or any of the things you mention. So, you are right that some Christians have behaved in very un-Christian like ways, even using Christianity as an excuse.
But you are wrong that these people claiming to act in Christs (or Gods name) represent Christianity as an entity. Jihadists/terrorists do represent the Islamic entity, who's scripture advocates violent behavior thru-out. Your "FACTS" of Christian behavior actually look a lot more like Islamic behavior.
Thanks for pointing that out...
PS...Imam Geoff...Kingkys brain seems get tire really easily. He comes in like a hurricane and goes out with a drizzle. He's probably taking a nap. In the arms of Morpheous. Recovering from another exausting round on D/W. Dont worry, he's addicted, so he will be back...
Wrong again. This sort of irony can indeed be scripted. I try for some time to respond to your arguments clearly and giving you all the respect that is your due, and you accuse me of never bothering to do so. Now that's irony.
Or ignorance?
Oberst KT - I'm laughing at you.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Geoff:
try "demonstrable" fact.
As for King's twisting/skirting around my direct reference to jihad ideology and not Muslims in general, here's what George Orwell had to say about self-annointed "intellectual pacifists" in
Notes on Nationalism, which he authored in 1945:
"Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States.
[...]
"Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough.
And below are Orwell's thoughts, which still apply today, as expressed by Orwell's heir apparent, Christopher Hitchens, writing in Slate about the "non-interventionist, anti-regime changer, peace movement" that recently marched in a number of cities around the globe, supposedly with the interests of the Iraqi people and others suffering from US hegemony at heart.:
The group self-lovingly calling itself "United for Peace and Justice" is by no means "narrow" in its "antiwar focus" but rather represents a very extended alliance between the Old and the New Left, some of it honorable and some of it redolent of the World Youth Congresses that used to bring credulous priests and fellow-traveling hacks together to discuss "peace" in East Berlin or Bucharest. Just to give you an example, from one who knows the sectarian makeup of the Left very well, I can tell you that the Worker's World Party-Ramsey Clark's core outfit-is the product of a split within the Trotskyist movement. These were the ones who felt that the Trotskyist majority, in 1956, was wrong to denounce the Russian invasion of Hungary. The WWP is the direct, lineal product of that depraved rump. If the "United for Peace and Justice" lot want to sink their differences with such riffraff and mount a joint demonstration, then they invite some principled political criticism on their own account. And those who just tag along … well, they just tag along.
To be against war and militarism, in the tradition of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, is one thing. But to have a record of consistent support for war and militarism, from the Red Army in Eastern Europe to the Serbian ethnic cleansers and the Taliban, is quite another. It is really a disgrace that the liberal press refers to such enemies of liberalism as "antiwar" when in reality they are straight-out pro-war, but on the other side. Was there a single placard saying, "No to Jihad"? Of course not. Or a single placard saying, "Yes to Kurdish self-determination" or "We support Afghan women's struggle"? Don't make me laugh. And this in a week when Afghans went back to the polls, and when Iraqis were preparing to do so, under a hail of fire from those who blow up mosques and U.N. buildings, behead aid workers and journalists, proclaim fatwahs against the wrong kind of Muslim, and utter hysterical diatribes against Jews and Hindus.
Some of the leading figures in this "movement," such as George Galloway and Michael Moore, are obnoxious enough to come right out and say that they support the Baathist-jihadist alliance. Others prefer to declare their sympathy in more surreptitious fashion. The easy way to tell what's going on is this: Just listen until they start to criticize such gangsters even a little, and then wait a few seconds before the speaker says that, bad as these people are, they were invented or created by the United States. That bad, huh? (You might think that such an accusation-these thugs were cloned by the American empire for God's sake-would lead to instant condemnation. But if you thought that, gentle reader, you would be wrong.)
The two preferred metaphors are, depending on the speaker, that the Bin-Ladenists are the fish that swim in the water of Muslim discontent or the mosquitoes that rise from the swamp of Muslim discontent. (Quite often, the same images are used in the same harangue.) The "fish in the water" is an old trope, borrowed from Mao's hoary theory of guerrilla warfare and possessing a certain appeal to comrades who used to pore over the Little Red Book. The mosquitoes are somehow new and hover above the water rather than slip through it. No matter. The toxic nature of the "water" or "swamp" is always the same: American support for Israel. Thus, the existence of the Taliban regime cannot be swamplike, presumably because mosquitoes are born and not made. The huge swamp that was Saddam's Iraq has only become a swamp since 2003. The organized murder of Muslims by Muslims in Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan is only a logical reaction to the summit of globalizers at Davos. The stoning and veiling of women must be a reaction to Zionism. While the attack on the World Trade Center-well, who needs reminding that chickens, or is it mosquitoes, come home to roost?
There are only two serious attempts at swamp-draining currently under way. In Afghanistan and Iraq, agonizingly difficult efforts are in train to build roads, repair hospitals, hand out ballot papers, frame constitutions, encourage newspapers and satellite dishes, and generally evolve some healthy water in which civil-society fish may swim. But in each case, from within the swamp and across the borders, the most poisonous snakes and roaches are being recruited and paid to wreck the process and plunge people back into the ooze. How nice to have a "peace" movement that is either openly on the side of the vermin, or neutral as between them and the cleanup crew, and how delightful to have a press that refers to this partisanship, or this neutrality, as "progressive."
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The purpose of JW and DW is not to change the minds of a billion Muslims. It's to inform anyone who is interested about an ideology that is as toxic as Nazism and Communism and is experiencing a phenomenal resurgence and connect it with events around the world. And this site attracts former Muslims who greatly appreciate the exposing of the ugly side of the "Religion of Peace", which is the peace of submission, not freedom, equality and tolerance.
Maybe if King spent a bit of time reading some of the materials translated by MEMRI instead of trying to present himself as the "fairest of them all" here, he'd know that are, indeed, Muslims who recognize that the problem does lie in the religion and seek our support. Unfortunately, they are definitely in the minority and grossly out-financed by the ayatollahs, imams, mullahs etc., who seek to keep all Muslims subservient and the render the rest of us dhimmis just as surely as Hitler and Stalin and their equally nihilistic followers sought world conquest. And how "moderate" the supposed middle really is, is very hard to tell. Too many of the supposed "moderates" who rise to leadership positions of organizations like CAIR or Britain's MCB are not moderate. They're just sophisticated apologists, seeking to silence opposition to their da'wa activities and keeping the "faithful" in line.
heh. Nice one swami.
May your beer be as fizzy as KT's logic.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
'ere Bert, this bloke won't haggle....
(& if this troll isn't a Muslim, he would have a presence on Jihad websites actually trying to engage the faithful to "mend their ways" as he does with us. Obviously he see's us as a bigger threat to the world than the Jihadists themselves - either that or he is a closet Muslim, only here to denigrate the site, either that or he sees us as a soft target (ridiculous, but at least we won't behead him)& he is a coward for not confronting the Jihadists he so willingly defends / is a part of)
Scroll by the troll, nothing to feed here...
"duh": "Your "FACTS" of Christian behavior actually look a lot more like Islamic behavior.
Thanks for pointing that out"
King: Its about time you've finally got something right!
Geoff: "As for King's twisting/skirting around my direct reference to jihad ideology and not Muslims in general"
King: Not to Muslims in general?? Everything you post down to your smarmy little Imam/Prophet signature B.S. is designed to belittle and offend ALL MUSLIMS. Trying to put lipstick on your ugly face of bigotry won't wash...
Waterdragon: "Too many of the supposed "moderates" who rise to leadership positions of organizations like CAIR or Britain's MCB are not moderate. They're just sophisticated apologists, seeking to silence opposition to their da'wa activities and keeping the "faithful" in line."
King: As usual, you start off well and then talk yourself right down to this incorrigible remark. Alas, nothing short of a lack of Islam will do for you.
Albion: "Scroll by the troll, nothing to feed here..."
King: Your sixth post to me in this thread alone. What a broken record. Know what we do with broken records? We discard them as useless.
Scroll by the troll, nothing to feed here...
An English Parliament for the English People. Now.
Now who can argue with that??
Albion... I agree with you that it's pointless feeding the trolls, but it is kinda fun playing with their heads. Kingkys head is open to all kinds of playabilities. He leaves himself open more often than Mike Tyson. He knows just enough to get him into trouble, but not enough to get out. We need to enjoy guys like Kingky, AI786, HE-man ect, while we still have them. We can learn from RS, Hugh and others, but we can only laugh at trolls. It's ok to laugh and it's still ok to have a good time...Allah said so...
"It's ok to laugh and it's still ok to have a good time...Allah said so..."
King: Why do I envision a slobbering idiot when I read your posts and see your moniker?
You want ad hominem? Let's see, we have:
1. "Duh" the slobbering human toothbrush.
2. Albion the vacuous broken record who ignores his own advice.
3. Geoff the closeted Imam/Prophet who loves to correct spelling errors and pretend he's kind to Muslims "in general."
4. Gary, aka "Mutt" the adolescent cheerleader for Geoff or anyone arguing against me or KJ.
5. Waterdragon - the Jew who forgets what trouble the world faced when an entire religion and its followers are unilaterally blamed for problems.
What a stellar group! I am sure I know who's laughing...
KingTolerance!!! What can I say......
This has to be one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time. You humiliated all those that stood in your path. Well done mate. You are one smooth talking individual.
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A message to the death worshippers here, I read the comments about the earthquake and have to say I expected that sort of stuff. You are a great bunch (sarcasm) - (my family back there are alright)
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Geoff!!!
"Ahh - so, again, because Christianity was indeed once spread by violence in some areas, we should now accept the spread of a religion that's still violent?"
You shouldn't accept the spread of a religion that promotes and encourages people to commit violent acts, but hey, as you said earlier, lots of people practice Islam peacefully. God is Great!!! Ha ha ha
King: I offer my intellectual honesty to bolster
my point that history should teach us. What I
and the many other sentient people also do is
see how one action provokes another.
Usually, when you're having a debate or discussion with others, it's considered a bit impolite to
imply that your interlocutors are not sentient,
which is what you do above. I realize that you're
responding to name calling, and are probably all riled up, but you're casting that aspersion at everyone who disagrees with you, whether they engaged in name calling or not.
It is a proven fact that Muslims live among us
peacefully.
No, it is not, not as written. It is clearly observable that Western countries with large muslim populations have problems with muslim violence. Some muslims live among us peacefully.
But even the ones that are peaceful appear to produce individuals like the killer of Theo Van Gogh, with a much higher frequency that Christian communities, even in the violent US, produce, say,
abortionist killers. And, that's just killers.
Bit of a muslim rape problem in Scandinavia and Australia and France.
It isa proven fact that some Muslims are angered
with the West right now and wish for things to
change.
OK.But that's vague. I bet a lot of muslims wish the "change" were that a caliphate ruled the world. You seem to be suggesting that they're just
like Episcopalians in Shriner garb, or something like that.
It is a proven fact that you will not change the
religion of over a billion people simply because
you whimper about it on a website like this.
That's just plain false (your assertion that it is a proven fact). I think it is highly unlikely that
muslims will all convert to Christianity if I start humming "My Heart Belongs to Daddy", but it is not a proven fact that they won't. Do you understand what a proven fact is? It's not a proven fact that the sun will rise tomorrow.
Besides, the net is a tool to spread information,
build networks, discuss and debate. While I haven't read every article in the archives, I've
read a few from you, and much like with Dr. Dawg,
I think your efforts to promote tolerance would be better spent with muslims. See if you can get some
imam to condemn capital punishment for apostates, or mocking the prophet.
PS: Incidentally, you make frequent use of an improper analogy, comparing some people here with
nazis. You don't have to believe me, but you can
go to a library to confirm, but the nazis had it in their mind to kill all Jews, regardless of their religion, but rather based on their having
Jewish forebears. I didn't read anyone here advocating gassing all people with muslim forebears, or even gassing all practicing muslims,
the most heinous thing (I could be wrong) was mass
deportation. So, your analogy is quite flawed, and offensive, like the PETA folks and their animal holocaust.
It's IA and King Tolerance everyone! The two Muslims WHO APPROVE OF SEX WITH LITTLE 9 Year olds.
Why? Because Mohammed did! Don't believe a word that King Tolerance and IA say, after all would YOU trust a pedophile???
Good Lord. The secret master of the Freemasons and his batman, Ia (who warns us against the evils of Freemasonry) write in to express their distaste. Well, turnabout is fair play.
KT starts off with: "You want ad hominem?" and then proceeds to detail what he REALLY thinks about people here. Which, we've heard all before.
Weak.
"What a stellar group! I am sure I know who's laughing..."
Well, yeah. Me. It's me. You're sure because I told you already.
Looks like this: LOL!
And now for Stanley...
Ia: "KingTolerance!!! What can I say......"
You can say "arf arf", which would sum the relevance of your posts to date. 'Arf' to you too.
"This has to be one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time. You humiliated all those that stood in your path. Well done mate. You are one smooth talking individual."
Partially right. It is one of his funniest threads in a while. Ia probably shouldn't be talking about humiliating people, considering how he admitted (ADMITTED, folks - on a POST BOARD, no less) that I beat him like a dog on FFI. So. Ia effectively credits me with a win. I accept.
"You shouldn't accept the spread of a religion that promotes and encourages people to commit violent acts, but hey, as you said earlier, lots of people practice Islam peacefully. God is Great!!! Ha ha ha"
And lots don't.
Ha ha ha ha.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
When one considers whom ia and kt represent, a few minor insults from them are easy to bear.
kj, I apologize: you are, at least, on our side.
Tell you all what, do you thing by hating Islam or Muslims anyone of you is gonna achieve much, don't think so, so the best thing to do is to understand what you "really hate" about Islam... go an read it, learn it and found out for yourself! meantime, take a look at Some Teachings of the Talmud:
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").
Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human, Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"
Sanhedrin 106a ."She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.
Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition of minim).
Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Don't be fooled, anyone and everyone has his own agenda..what is yours..! or whatever anyone tells you or writes is the "only gods truth", I understand if you need source like Spencer here..! just start asking questions and you will find some answers for yourself..!
That's nice Kahen. Too bad for your argument that no Jew, anywhere is doing that today.
And as for your comment about reading about islam: yes, I have. I have read the Quran, the hadiths and parts of the biography. Have you?
It's not about hating islam, but rather that we hate what islam is doing to non-muslims, in those places where islam is in the majority. We have seen enough of islamic tolerance for a lifetime.
Get the drift?
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Read somemore...!
Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."
Deuteronomy 22:13-18 "If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof [how do you think they would do that?] that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.' Then her parents shall display the cloth [the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married] with before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-18)"
Here is a more clear translation from Hebrew Resources: "The girl's father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl's virginity before the elders of the town at the gate. And the girl's father shall say to the elders, "I gave this man my daughter to wife, but he had taken an aversion to her; so he has made up charges, saying, 'I did not find your daughter a virgin.' But here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!" And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town. (From the New JPS translation, Deuteronomy 22:15-17)"
The New JPS translation of Deuteronomy 22:15-17 makes it even more clear about having the parents of the girl displaying the bloody piece of cloth before the elders of the town.
According to the Talmud, the cloth should be "A cloth of less than 3 square finger-breadths. (From the Talmud, Eruvin 29b-30a and Succah 16a)", and before it is being used, it should be "soft, woolen and clean. (From the Talmud, Niddah 17a)"
Ezekiel 23
Two Adulterous Sisters
1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.
5 "Oholah engaged in prostitution while she was still mine; and she lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians-warriors 6 clothed in blue, governors and commanders, all of them handsome young men, and mounted horsemen. 7 She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled herself with all the idols of everyone she lusted after. 8 She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her.
9 "Therefore I handed her over to her lovers, the Assyrians, for whom she lusted. 10 They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword. She became a byword among women, and punishment was inflicted on her.
11 "Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. 12 She too lusted after the Assyrians-governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. 13 I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same way.
14 "But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans [a] portrayed in red, 15 with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea. b 16 As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17 Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her nakedness, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.
22 "Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side- 23 the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, handsome young men, all of them governors and commanders, chariot officers and men of high rank, all mounted on horses. 24 They will come against you with weapons, [d] chariots and wagons and with a throng of people; they will take up positions against you on every side with large and small shields and with helmets. I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. 25 I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. 26 They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. 27 So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore.
28 "For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to hand you over to those you hate, to those you turned away from in disgust. 29 They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you naked and bare, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity 30 have brought this upon you, because you lusted after the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. 31 You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her cup into your hand.
32 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
"You will drink your sister's cup,
a cup large and deep;
it will bring scorn and derision,
for it holds so much.
33 You will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow,
the cup of ruin and desolation,
the cup of your sister Samaria.
34 You will drink it and drain it dry;
you will dash it to pieces
and tear your breasts.
I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD .
35 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Since you have forgotten me and thrust me behind your back, you must bear the consequences of your lewdness and prostitution."
36 The LORD said to me: "Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then confront them with their detestable practices, 37 for they have committed adultery and blood is on their hands. They committed adultery with their idols; they even sacrificed their children, whom they bore to me, [e] as food for them. 38 They have also done this to me: At that same time they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my Sabbaths. 39 On the very day they sacrificed their children to their idols, they entered my sanctuary and desecrated it. That is what they did in my house.
40 "They even sent messengers for men who came from far away, and when they arrived you bathed yourself for them, painted your eyes and put on your jewelry. 41 You sat on an elegant couch, with a table spread before it on which you had placed the incense and oil that belonged to me.
42 "The noise of a carefree crowd was around her; Sabeans [f] were brought from the desert along with men from the rabble, and they put bracelets on the arms of the woman and her sister and beautiful crowns on their heads. 43 Then I said about the one worn out by adultery, 'Now let them use her as a prostitute, for that is all she is.' 44 And they slept with her. As men sleep with a prostitute, so they slept with those lewd women, Oholah and Oholibah. 45 But righteous men will sentence them to the punishment of women who commit adultery and shed blood, because they are adulterous and blood is on their hands.
46 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47 The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses. Peace, Love, and Harmony?
48 "So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you. 49 You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD ."
Footnotes:
1. Ezekiel 23:14 Or Babylonians
2. Ezekiel 23:15 Or Babylonia ; also in verse 16
3. Ezekiel 23:21 Syriac (see also verse 3 Hebrew caressed because of your young breasts
4. Ezekiel 23:24 The meaning of the Hebrew for this word is uncertain.
5. Ezekiel 23:37 Or even made the children they bore to me pass through the fire
6. Ezekiel 23:42 Or drunkards
Interesting - one can see from "Kahen"'s last post that the Jewish writings actually do indeed refer to specific events, rather than being general rules for all time. The same claim is routinely made - falsely - in favour of the Quran.
To paraphrase the Christians "Let those who have eyes see."
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Geoff: "That's nice Kahen. Too bad for your argument that no Jew, anywhere is doing that today."
King: Yawn. It's getting late and Geoff is trying to score more 'wins' or something.
Goeff: "To paraphrase the Christians "Let those who have eyes see.""
King: To paraphrase the Muslims:
"A man's capacity is the same as his breadth of vision"
"A fool may be known by six things: anger, without cause; speech, without profit; change, without progress; inquiry, without object; putting trust in a stranger, and mistaking foes"
Wow! So much troll & so much scroll!
So much garbage and so little substance!
As if ancient Jewish scriptures could be compared with the incitement if the 164 Jihad-verses in the Koran, which are "divine LAW" for the Mohammedans!
Its not only that Mohammed's whole ideology is intellectually dishonest and corrupted, its not only that a billion illiterate, poor, perverted and violent lunatics are driving themselves deeper and deeper into their own disaster, no:
Islam is 'justified', can be 'justified' because there are some ancient jewish texts, mere history, that are violent.
How absurd!
How corrupted and depraved, mentally and spiritually, must one be in order to cook up such nonsense!
Proves only one thing:
Coffee-filters are impenetrable.
Remove them from civilized societies! If they remain a threat to civilization help them with whatever it takes to become "martyrs", and let "Allah" sort them out!
How can your holly books change so much and so many times, How can you deny that these are from the Bible and Talmud..! by the way, I believe there are more Jihad related verses in the noble Quraan,
One other thing, forget about all these poor illiterate billions of Muslims, just come down, and cool it,
Are you accusing me...of what..? This is your statement, how corrupted and depraved, mentally and spiritually, must one be in order to cook up such nonsense!
But you see and surely as highly educated, enlighten individual you know without shred of doubt these are versus from what you call your "Holly Bible" and Talmud Maqdas..?
True or not..?
The word of God, is Omni present, has no old, new and future versions of it...! it was revealed to many prophets, Moses (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) and Issa (Maseih) (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him).
No one should change books (kutub in Hebrew ) except the one who originated them ...!
"Remove them from civilized societies! If they remain a threat to civilization help them with whatever it takes to become "martyrs", and let "Allah" sort them out"!
Hell, so what..? it just one more mass killing, why don't you start with your friends..sorry I thought you may have Muslim friends..! no problem, if you can start with someone but make sure 3 things happen first..!
1- Know them well and see after that if you want to kill them.
2- Make sure they don't have to be from any ethinic background, not all Arabs are muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs, only about 15-17% of muslims are arabs and about 89% of Arabs are muslims, if you choose one specific ground then you have been a racist and not civilized as you claim.
3- It must be someone very famous, like Muhammad Ali..!
Then make your day..Jones, Koriesh, ect would be pretty happy about it
Kahen:
Why don't you tell us about the "Satanic Verses" instead?
Mohammed stole, whatever he could steal, from jewish and christian scriptures. He made so many mistakes and sometimes couldn't even remember his own sura's (or is it slurash's?)
He made a lot of false and preposterous claims and you are just one of many fools to believe ANY of it.
Why did Mohammedans, in all the lands they invaded wipe out all traces of previous cultures?
Simply to destroy evidence! Satan doesn't like competition.
By destroying the evidence of other, more advanced cultures Islam and its intellectually worthless Ideology of jihad, murder, rape and booty destroyed millions of peoples. It is a cult of destruction to this very day.
Without terror, murder, blackmail and the threat of hellfire Islam would vanish in the ozone, in no time. Everything Mohammed invented is bogus. Show me one thing in the Koran that could be useful for humanity to progress, to advance our society! Show me anything peaceful, constructive for the common good, for civilization, tolerance, anything of value!
No. Forget about Mohammeds lies about other peoples scriptures being "corrupted". There is no evidence and this is only to foment hatred against others to instigate assault, murder, rape and steal their property.
Make an end to this: Flush your Koran down the toilet today!
Your kids will appreciate it and you might become a decent person after all...
Refrain and remain civilized and don't personalize it, heck I can call u so many names in at 5 different languages that you would not tell the difference if I been abusive, intrusive, applausive..!
Here is the first thing about the so called the satanic versus... http://answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm
Still not happy… http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/sverses.html
Now, about your statement “Muslims destroying other cultures” boy you guys have all the same ideas...I challenge you to name one culture Islam has suppressed after any (Fath)..! in any or all christian and none christian countries that Muslims conquered.. don’t you know they left and untouched all the places of worship, churches, temples and even so many shrines of Buddha...!
Please all of you before I go, I actually want to respond to Mr. Spencer's misquotes of verses of the Noble Quraan, but since he is not on this site, I believe I leave you with this advice, hate not the other due to your ignorance and love not the evil due to your weakness,
What I mean is this, make sure you hate no one unless you get to know them, dislike all you can but hate no and you don't have to love someone or others who are evil due to your own weakness,
Hate not all Muslims or Islam due to your ignorance of Islam and Muslims, on the other hand, no one should love someone who does evil on earth or spread hate, death and destruction whether Bush, Blair, Bin Laden, Kim, and many others..!
Kahen:
"Holly books" you can only find in Hollywood. There is nothing "holy" about the Koran. The Koran is just a manual for terror.
Many here on JW/DW have come to the conclusion, that our interests are best served by 'disengagement'.
We know that Mohammedans will not integrate and not assimilate. We know that the sons of Allah came (and still come) to infidel lands with hatred and with evil intentions. Our lifestyle, our freedom, everything we believe in, is at stake. Therefore we want to see the infil-traitors interned and deported.
We don't want our governments to subsidize Islamic countries, we don't want to see our tax-money wasted on the Islamic swamps and deserts and we want to be able to live peacefully within our own society. If you want, you can believe in rubber duckies or in Mickey Mouse, but if you want to force your perverted cult on us you will be forced out.
Belief, any kind of belief, is fine if it includes the "Golden Rule". The "golden Rule" means "do nothing bad to others if you don't want to get hurt in return".
Mohammedans, the whole bloody cult of Islam, is all about KILLING. In your writing above you are accusing me of advocating killing. We are not in it for the kill, we abhor violence.
But it is you and your people who are killing and raping and robbing us daily.
Mohammed was a bandit-chief, a rapist, a child molester, torturer and a sex-maniac. Mohammedans -like you- are all obsessed with killing. It is not possible to coexist with your kind of people, not in a civilized society.
If you force us to go to war, you will lose,
(Mohammedans always lose) and hopefully, that will be the end of the collective insanity which is 'Islam'...
What in the world is this guy Kahen talking about. Word salad, lots of it with no dressing.
And all that mumbo jumbo about love, was clear as mud....and speaking of idiotic slobbering Kingky, it would be to your benefit if you cleaned up your own bad habit of projectile vomiting. It really kills off your sex life. But I dont need to tell 'you' "that" do I.
What you said about the 'stellar'group was very unkind, but at the same time comical if you consider the source. IA786 liked it, but then, he likes pimples and warts.
You are right though, this is a stellar group, minus myself, as you know I go to great lengths to avoid 'stellar'. You and IA786 can form a group also, if you wish, but you will never be 'stellar'.
Holly bananas, have you guys finished high school or you have been busy doing...!
No comment to anyone who can NOT understand the first line of my post and then comes back with his is own concussions..!
Sheik yermani..I know the Sheikh part but the rest sounds some sort of Semitic reference or something, no I don't need to tell you what Muhammad (Peace and the blessing of Allah be upon him) is like and was and is, nor all your ranting and despicable descriptions, it will add no or take anything away from him if you and your friends keep on that all that foul language, it only proof one simple thing.. you lack the comment sense to debate.. drop dead-stone-head..! that is like saying knock..knock is any body-out-there..!
Just to satisfy my killer instants, I'm willing challenge on point-by-point-but you will not accept any from me...!
Do you know why...? Simply cause you are faithless...! you don not have faith...? do you/ Then say it out and load, what is it..?
How I’m talking to, I defend all humanity and particularly all Muslims but I don’t speak for all of them, so who exactly are you..!
When you say you are abhor violence…! What do you mean..? Are speaking as a person or as faith or as nationality, race or what exactly..?
Are you American and I remind you what white/christian America did to my African/American brothers and sisters for 400 years or so or all the atrocities and total annihilation of our fellow native Americans..! or should I remind you what we have done the all those poor yellow-skinned Vietnamese in the name of enduring freedom as exactly what we are doing to day in Iraq, except that we have alternating modus of operands and reasons…one in the name of enduring freedom Iraq ..a catch 22 from Vietnam fiasco. The other the great al Qaeda link or the greater-mother-off-all –fuck-all-lies and mustard WMD..the mirage..!
(Fool all people and get away with it=Bush) that is new Algebra for you. By God, add that the Iraks (as every six-pack-joe says is are not yellow-skinned or Red-doctrine like the Vietnamese, but they are Dark..(yeah dark are not as white, and not black either sort of..not like our niggers anyway..! Sweet Jesus….them Moslems (an other ignorant error, most of them anyway…! Boy this is what is called a match made in heaven..!
Are you German and I remind you what the Nazis had accorded to the people of the Jewish faith, all minorities and disabled citizens and so money people that they judged not fit to live..and not worthy of life..!
Who are you and English….! And I remind you that you are the master of all the evils in the world to day and that is why your country is so weak and disrespected…!
Who are you then..?
About winning and loosing..well that is bit too early to discuss, the sillies believe is the one based on common mistake, Hate...that is the most common denominator for human ugliness..so what makes you any different then Zerghawis and Zawahiris..?
and about your money.. Though I'm some what clueless as how is it become your money that you would not like to send to Muslim countries...hey thanks to the Kuwait they were in for America when we America needed them..so it goes both ways.. and yes they owe us too..(so don't go there to remain me about the war)
Alas, so did money small, small Muslims nations...! how much do american tax payers give to the Holly state of Israel...!
One more thing don’t you give me that stupid line of you been an American and one else..!
Why don't you do some basic Aljebra..you know algebra don't you..add up all the US foreign aid (annual, permanent and budgeted) to goes to Islamic countries and compare that to how much we pay to Israel
Can you that or you need Lorgthamis..? Ooh sorry it's Al Khwarizmi ..! you know that guy who come with all that fancy and difficult math stuff!
Now, tell do you believe in God..? is there a GOD..or should say it in Persian..Khod..?
Use your head not your angry emotions, you know the side effects to your health and I don’t care much about what you have to say about Islam but I want to help you to be a better person or at least one of your men folks, just incase I fail with you and I sincerely hope not to fail..!
Moreover, let me share this with you and your kin folks...
There are couple of book you are going to read if you need at least to half understand what is really going around the world and what is happening around you..
One of these book was written long time ago by man named Howard Zinn, the title of the book is “Declarations of Independence” go an find it if you are interest,
The other book, I will let you know when you finish this one,
Do you think, you can reason with me, are you capable to do so..?
At least, I’m brave enough to contest that you have out done me in one area, insulting Prophet Muhammad (Peace and the blessing of Allah be upon him) as you very well know that I CAN’T and Will NOT insult neither prophets of GOD or the books of their followers..!
In finality, I hope the following verses of the noble Qur’an will teach you few things that neither you nor Osama bin laden is prepared to understand and adhere to,
“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)"
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"
"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"
"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"
Next.. Terrorism, indiscriminate-barbaric killings and genocides that every bible version/book and Talmud and torah propagates and promotes without limits, clear objectives, guidelines and specific rules of engagement..! Prepare for a real shocker..!
Kahen - Yawn!! I notice that you also don't deny that Mohammed enjoyed sex with nine year olds. Well done on showing all here that you to approve of Child Sex - you are sick.
As for Christianity - show me where in the Bible, Christ did things like Mohammed such as:-
1) having sex with little girls
2) killing people
3) in fact I challenge you to find in the Bible where anyone dies in Christ's presence.
The Bible shows a "warts and all" approach to the failings of (mainly the Jewish people), and their subsequent repentance. In other words the Bible is a critique of mankind, again something that doesn't happen in the Koran.
Why? If you critique Mohammed you end up dead. No wonder all Islamic countries are brutal dictatorships.
Well done Kahen, well done! Oh, do you always try to attack other faiths when hiding the deficiencies in your own? Can't you defend your own faith? Didn't think so, maybe you do like little girls…..
"Next.. Terrorism, indiscriminate-barbaric killings and genocides that every bible version/book and Talmud and torah propagates and promotes without limits, clear objectives, guidelines and specific rules of engagement..! Prepare for a real shocker..!"
Yawn - divert attention from the debate at hand - Islam - what are you scared of kahen?
As for the genocide in the Bible - specific people in the Bible were told to do specific things in a specific land - Israel. I'm yet to see an orthodox Jew flying a plane into a building in the US and using their Book to justify such actions.
If you hate the traditional beliefs that built the west - may I suggest an Islamic paradise for you - like Afghanistan?
"Holly bananas, have you guys finished high school or you have been busy doing...!
No comment to anyone who can NOT understand the first line of my post and then comes back with his is own concussions..!"
Is that 'concussions' or conclusions kahen? Did you finish high school or were you to busy perving on the 9 year old girls?
KT: "It is a proven fact that Muslims live among us peacefully."
Evidence of that proof:
9-11 killing 3000, London 7-7 killing scores, Madrid killing scores, Beslan killing hundreds, Bali (1 & 2) killing hundreds, Destruction of French chemical plant killing scores, Destruction of Synagogues in Tunisia and Turkey killing scores, Destruction of Churches in Indonesia and Pakistan killing scores, Forced conversions in Indonesia and Pakistan, Communal rioting in Nigeria killing thousands, African Embassy bombings killing over a hundred, Jihad in Kashmir killing thousands, Jihad in Palestine killing hundreds, Jihad in Algeria killing over a hundred thousand, Jihad in Sudan killing millions,etc., etc.
"Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."
What about it Kahen? - do you have a problem with two adults having/desiring sex? Oh that's right you are a Muslim who prefers little girls. Oh and how does a girl have "semen?" Did you listen at school, or did you draw your own "concussions"? Here is a lesson about the "Birds and the Bee's" Kahen - we were created male and female - adults in fact by God (not a Man and a little girl as in Mohammed's case), and we have sex with each other! (man and woman that is, just in case you are thinking about 9 year olds)
The entire verse/chapter is about a women wanting to openly show sexual affection - something frowned upon in that culture, and her desire to express her wants freely. Pity Mohammed didn’t give Aisha the same freedom of speech.
But keep on throwing up red herrings to divert attention away from Islam's war and hate verses and more importantly = actions. Bring up the verses about "genocide" in the Bible (you obviously have no idea about the Nephal do you, or what it means when the OT says Noah had a “pure line”?) - but that's a LONG way to go back to dig up dirt. What’s next, the Crusades? Personally I only have to go back to last weekend - BALI.
In fact say what you want about Judeo-Christianity, because while the West took off under this belief system, Islam kept its subjugates in the 7th Century, TO THIS DAY. It shows in your inventions, medicine, engineering, etc.
Yep - actions do speak louder than words, and good culture leads to advance, not stagnation like all the Islamic countries on the planet.
Kahenn:
Mohammed was a criminal and he created a criminal cult.
YOU KNOW THAT!
Then why follow a psycho-killer, a rapist and a deranged man? The world is yours, the time for caravan-raids and killing for booty and the old "kill the men, rape the women" is over!
Try and follow Mohammed and you will get killed or go to jail.
You KNOW that Mo was no good, why follow him?
Go to Ali Sina, he'll help you leave the cult. Don't worry, you will not roast in hell, you will find peace, with yourself and others, you will become a decent human being, instead of a hate-filled Muhammedan .
Try it! What have you got to lose? Virgins?
As I promised here cometh real shocker.. and it’s not my making it’s all the in the Bible both testoments and torah..and in most parts of telmud..!
You have have the versis numbers, please by all means cros check it..!
I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that there are so much contradictions in the bible, in verse it is about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands in the other versus! It is clear that the inconsistent mounts to something quite not well.
Matthew 15:22-28
Matthew 23:37
Samuel 15:2-4 1 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 2 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.3 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
"and Jehovah repenteth of the evil which He hath spoken of doing to His people."(Exodus 32:14)
"and Jehovah repenteth that He hath made man in the earth, and He grieveth Himself -- unto His heart."
(Genesis 6:6)
"And when Jehovah raised up to them judges -- then was Jehovah with the judge, and saved them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for it repenteth Jehovah, because of their groaning from the presence of their oppressors, and of those thrusting them away."
(Judges 2:18)
"and the messenger putteth forth his hand to Jerusalem to destroy it, and Jehovah repenteth concerning the evil, and saith to the messenger who is destroying among the people, `Enough, now, cease thy hand;' and the messenger of Jehovah was near the threshing-floor of Araunah the Jebusite."
(2 Samuel 24:16)
"Put him at all to death did Hezekiah king of Judah, and all Judah? Did he not fear Jehovah? yea, he appeaseth the face of Jehovah, and Jehovah repenteth concerning the evil that He spake against them; and we are doing great evil against our souls."
(Jeremiah 26:19)
Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!
"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."
Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]
R. Nahman bar Isaac said. "They made the decree that a gentile child should be deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15], so that an Israelite child should not hang around with him and commit pederasty [as he does]."
For said R. Zira, "I had much anguish with R. Assi, and R. Assi with R. Yohanan, and R. Yohanan with R. Yannai, and R. Yannai with R. Nathan b. Amram, and R. Nathan b. Amram with Rabbi [on this matter]: 'From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]'? And he said to me, 'On the day on which he is born.' But when I came to R. Hiyya, he said to me, 'From the age of nine years and one day.' And when I came and laid the matter before Rabbi, he said to me, 'Discard my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya, who declared, "From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]? From the age of nine years and one day."'
[37A] Since he is then suitable for having sexual relations, he also is deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [of Lev.15]."
Said Rabina, "Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety."
That is self-evident!
Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]
Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
In the Torah (In the Book of Numbers in the Bible), after the conquest of Midian and Moab, and the great venereal plague, Moses (peace be on him) ordered that all the women "who have known a man" be killed but that "all the young girls, who have not known a man by lying with him" be kept alive for the Israelites.
Since the only females left fit for marriage and wholesome relations were prepubescent virgins, a Jewish law concerning child marriage was enacted. That law is found in the Babylonian Talmud:
"Rabbi Joseph said, 'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.'
Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.
Gemara: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.' "
My Source: The Code of Jewish Law, The shortened version, known as the "Kitzur Shulchan Aruch". The full book is the "Shulchan Aruch", which means "The Well-Set Table" Now it’s your turn to go and figure why this book is not available to you, moreover, I have 3 more copies of the different code books that you will never find in any synagogue..! why is that and how come..?
I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).
Don’t you dare to tell me about those bunch of crazy zealots bent over back wards to kill as many innocent and defenseless people of all faiths, races and totally different demographics in every where and where.. ! You know and I know , they have killed more Muslims in Iraq, Africa, Afghanistan and else then more than they killed from any other faith… ….!
Smart up, th they have their own agenda, otherwise, why Zarqawi is killing so many Muslims and surely why the 167 thousand American-teeth-to-nails-armed forces can not kill or capture him.. here you go and other Ben Laden…!
Shit Yemeni,
I'm not really concerned with and for your tenacious hate for a great prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah (Subahaanu Wata Alaa ) be upon him)
And your Ali Sini is fake, I have chased him all over the net and could get to him for a normal and peaceful-moderated debated, I know now, some time later some had dealt him a blow and i don't mean put a bomb under his car seat..(get your head examined..you hate is so contemptuously blinding.. no wonder someone of you sound like Goldstein, Fowler, Zawaheri, pat Robinson and the demagogue..!
So I see you can debate, don't have an iota of idea..(except profusely foul language), what do you lack knowledge, ability to reason, what are you...! you can even say that your faith is..?
Ooh I, your sugar day Dick Spencer has not permit you to disclose your true identity...!
There is no point of beating a dead horse..that is how the saying goes..down here in the lone start sate..!
Ciao Amigo, coz I can’t waste no more time on you..!
I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).
Kahen you are so full of BS. There are over 110 generic war verses in the Koran. Here is a list for you:-
2:178,179, 190 191 193 216 217 218 244 3:121 122 124 123 125 140 155 165 166 167 169 173 195 4:71 72 74 75 76 77 84 89 91 94 95 100 102 104 5:33 35 38 8:5 7 9 12 15 16 17 39 42 45 59 65 67 69 71 72 74 75 9:5 12 13 14 16 19 20 24 25 26 29 36 38 39 41 44 52 73 81 83 86 88 92 111 120 122 123 16:110 22:39 78 29:6 69 33:7 18 20 25 26 47:20 48:16 22 59:2 5 6 7 8 14 60:9 61:4
Hmmmmmm that makes One out of 55 verses in the Koran a War verse.
Tell me Kahen, why was the Passover omitted from the story in the Koran of the Exodus? Even though the Koran goes over it 27 times? The Passover - the climax of the entire Jewish story of the Exodus. This coming from Mohammed who expected the Jews to accept him as a prophet!
Why does the Koran 7:19-24 or 7:20-25 reveal that Adam and Eve sinned, not in an earthly garden, but in paradise? Mohammed had the erring couple cast to Earth only AFTER they sinned! And again he expected the Jews and Christians to accept him - why?
Why challenge just a Jew or Christian? What do have against Atheists, Pagans etc? Or are you against the 'People of the Book'? Your hatred of Jews and Christians, and your ignorance of their scriptures shows.
Going already? But why? Did you see a little nine year old walk past? Can't stand the debate on ISLAM (AFTER ALL THIS IS JIHAD WATCH/DW).
Off you go - bow to the Ka'aba the old centre of Pagan Moon Worship in Mecca!
Kahen, why is that the Religion of Peace, Islam, threatens infidels and non believers to a ratio of verses of 1 out of every 9.5 with utter damnation? Hmmmmmm really forgiving there! (in Rodwell’s translation)
In Chapter 3, Mohammed addresses scarcely any topic without constantly interrupting himself to warn his readers about hell. In fact 1:7.4 verses this occurs in! Truly a loving, forgiving, compassionate god this Allah is - NOT! In fact in a mere 114 chapters in Rodwell's English translation Mohammed hurls 783 threats of hellfire, wrath, eternal judgement and perdition against the by then well signed mind of any reader who manages to read to the end of this mish mass of a "holy book"!
Hmmmm .... Mohammed references Noah in 28 of the Koran's first 71 chapters - that is one in every 2.5 chapters. Talk about a prophet with an unoriginal mind! No wonder he had to plagerise off the Jews, Christians, and Zoroasterians!
Hmmmmm... Mohammed regurgitates the story of Lot and of Sodom and Gomorrah 14 times! Again - this shows of Mohammed's illiteracy!
kahen, why does Allah regurgitate all these apocalyptic events? It makes the point that Allah is a 'god' who destroys people who reject divine warnings delivered by prophets - Hmmmmm puts a lot of unquestionable power in Mohammed's hands. Maybe that's why he was so corrupt, especially with his desire for little girls (he couldn't handle a real woman)!
"Gemara: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.' " And this is in the Torah where? The New Testament where? Where is the rabbi that the Jews follow as the last and most holy "prophet" who slept with a nine year old, marrying her at nine?
Come on Kahen, you brought up "The Book", the Bible, now use it! Or are you just going to hide behind corrupt Rabbi sayings, who are as "holy" as Mohammed?
Hmmmmm... The Koran - the Muslims "infallable" word of god... er Allah.
Why did Mohammed have a problem with nouns, but loved pronouns Kahen? Was it because Mohammed was an illiterate idiot?
For instance
"If you were seeking a judgement, now has a judgement come to you. If you desist, it will be for you" Koran 8:18.
Hmmmmmm.... Mohammed used the pronoun "you" four times in two sentences. Who was he addressing? What was the judgement about? Who should desist from what? Mohammed does not specify ANY answers to these questions ANYWHERE, not even in the context of the verse!
This happens ALL through the Koran!
Yep the "infallible" word of Allah, written by an illiterate, war mongering, pedophile prophet!
Don't run away kahen, it was just getting fun. If you spend longer here, at least your child bride will be just that bit closer to maturity by the time you want to behave like Mohammed towards your child bride!
"Said Rabina, "Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety."
That is self-evident!
Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]"
Where is this in the Bible? Oh that's right, these earthly teachings are on par with the Koran!
"Shit Yemeni,' tch tch tch Kahen - touch a raw nerve did he?
Where is your loving Islamic tolerance? Only people who start abusing others in the middle of a debate, show that their beliefs have absolutely no foundation - which is why they revert to abuse.
Or they just run away.....
Kahen~ Interesting reading!
I am wondering, could you please post links to news articles relating where Jews have been practicing these laws today?
King T and kahen are instructive; the first a clueless convert and the second unable to recognise the verses of his own holy scripture!
I had asked King how Christianity had spread to Kerela state in India, to Russia, to Poland, to Ethiopia, to Scandinavia, to Ireland without any conquest or violence, but he chose NOT to address any of that.
Citing the conquest of America by Spaniards whose Catholicism had been tainted by Islam and whose Conquista was Islamo/arabic inspired jihad-for-Christ serves no purpose except that of continued denial.
In fact, citing the violent Arabo/Islamic elements that perverted Spanish Catholicism as proof of Christianity's intolerance borders on intellectual retardation.
Islam CANNOT claim to have peacefully acquired converts in the manner of Christianity because of the HISTORICAL FACT that it has always been so violent.
In present day Indonesia, particularly since WW2, there has been a slow but steady drift away from Islam towards Christianity, but that natural drift, that tendency to gravitate towards the truth and the light is being opposed and thwarted through violence, murder and forced church closings.
By a truth supressing jihad.
Gary: "I am wondering, could you please post links to news articles relating where Jews have been practicing these laws today?"
King: Cheerleader!
Anyhow, the point here is that Jewish (and Christian) scripture have many passages the prescribe violence - just as the Koran does. Only a small number of Muslims act on the Koranic verses in question and do so for their own politically motivated thuggery, a vast majority of Muslims have proscribed these verses just as Chrsitians and Jews have with heir own scripture.
kt: Anyhow, the point here is that Jewish (and Christian) scripture have many passages the prescribe violence - just as the Koran does.
Myself: show us where these are being followed, each day, Every day. That is the point and the question. Show Us Where. How easy is that?
JohnPalubinksi: :I had asked King how Christianity had spread to Kerela state in India:
King: "The Portuguese were the first European power to arrive in India. Their first ship, under the leadership of Vasco DaGama, arrived in south India in 1498 after it had circled the whole continent of Africa. The Portuguese inspired by the Pope’s order to baptize people around the world not only fought wars against the local Indian rulers, but they even tried to enforced their Roman Catholic prayers on Syrian Christians.
After many wars the Portuguese were defeated by local rulers and they had only one big pocket of control in India, Goa. The Portuguese not only fought the Indian rulers, but they also fought against other European powers in India especially Dutch and English. Many Portuguese churches in Kerala were turned into English and Dutch churches after they were captured by these powers."http://adaniel.tripod.com/Christianity.htm
John: "I had asked King how Christianity had spread to Russia"
980–1015
The battle ended with the victory of Vladimir the Saint, in whose reign (c. 990) the Russians were converted en masse to Christianity in the Orthodox (Byzantine) form. The Russian church was organized on the Greek pattern and was considered to be under the canonical authority of the patriarch of Constantinople. From this time on, the cultural relations between Constantinople and Kiev were very close.http://www.bartleby.com/67/488.html#c3p02206
John: "I had asked King how Christianity had spread to Ethiopia"
King: Being intellectually honest, Ethiopia is one of the few places on Earth that enjoyed te peaceful migration of Judiaism and Christianity. Ethiopia boasts some of the most ancient sects of each, rich in Judeo-Christian history. http://www.fhi.net/fhius/ethiopiafamine/christian.html
King: You have a habit of not reading things in their entirety and then trying to grab a tail. You always end up with a straw man argement that I light on fire. Stick to cheerleading, you're much better at it. Here's all of what I wrote:
"Jewish (and Christian) scripture have many passages the prescribe violence - just as the Koran does. Only a small number of Muslims act on the Koranic verses in question and do so for their own politically motivated thuggery, a vast majority of Muslims have proscribed these verses just as Chrsitians and Jews have with heir own scripture."
Aboe post directed towards Gary the rah-rah. Sorry for the confusion....
"I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Verse from the Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender)."
I'm a secularist, but here you go:
How about Sura 9 where it says that war must continue until all religion is for Allah? So, someone who dropped his weapon - or even a woman or child - could be killed if they failed to change religion.
Oh, wait - I guess they could pay the tax of submission, after all. But that only applies if they're citizens of a muslim nation. And what about those villages that surrendered where Mohammed had all the men beheaded?
Apostates of any kind could also obviously be killed, according to the strong hadiths collected by al-Buhkari.
Compare to Christianity and Jesus' message.
I win.
You're a freak.
Ali Sina rules. You've chased him nowhere, loser, cause he's still there.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
"I win. You're a freak. "Ali Sina rules. You've chased him nowhere, loser, cause he's still there."
King: I think I overheard something similar being barked between two 11 year old boys as I past the schoolyard on my way in to work this chilly morning.
PROPHET Geoff: "As for King's twisting/skirting around my direct reference to jihad ideology and not Muslims in general"
King: "Not to Muslims in general?? Everything you post down to your smarmy little Imam/Prophet signature B.S. is designed to belittle and offend ALL MUSLIMS."
Hey, stupid - I didn't write the above, and you just deliberately took it out of context. And why should my arguments offend 'ALL MUSLIMS'. I have said, and I say again, that I don't trust that faith nor members thereof, because it has a violent, expansionist and supremacist philosophy. If certain of its members reject such core islamic supposition and violence in its name, I have no problem with them. You miss those parts? On the other hand, I'll keep on enraging the radicals with every post. It shouldn't affect moderates, of course - right? Nothing we do can make a moderate a radical, right? Like if we don't observe islamist doctrine, or feel free in our own nations to question what we like without sentencing people to jail for apostacy or 'flagrant funerals', right? Back to your comment - should I, were I a Christian, then fly into an apoplectic rage at the "Christ's head in urine" exhibit? The cross painted in shit? If not, why not, given your position on 'humiliation'. (And it seems to me you know more than you like to admit about it, oh shaker of worlds.) If you refute evolutionary theory to my face, should I hone my choppin' axe?
And why should my moniker offend? Are there no more prophets allowed? What if I say there are, and that I am one? Why should muslims become enraged on reading it? Should they kill me? Did any of the Christians here complain? Should they have? Should they be offended? Do I deserve to die because I call myself a "Prophet"? (Moreover, did I not predict something prophetic? How can you tell I'm not a prophet?) Should I expect a fatwa because I have a sense of humour? Would it, as you seem to imply above, be justified?
Do try and answer one or two of these.
Silly Wahhabit.
KT quotes islamic sayings: "A fool may be known by six things: anger, without cause; speech, without profit; change, without progress; inquiry, without object; putting trust in a stranger, and mistaking foes"
Yes: anger - "WITHOUT CAUSE". Such as...what? Raking leaves against a mosque? "Mistaking foes"...but not forgiving them. Right. And you can't trust strangers? Holy insular, Batman. This rings of the Havamal. I'm descended from the Vikings, but they were NOT jolly happy fellows.
Too easy. Seriously, KT, are you TRYING to make me convert to Christianity? You're seriously doing a really good job so far.
Still Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Oy, "Kahen" barfs up a mess. I, as a Prophet, will educate him:
"How can your holly books change so much and so many times"
Actually, they haven't really. Most interpretations after so many translations are still quite faithful to the originals. This is kind of an old argument.
"How can you deny that these are from the Bible and Talmud..!"
No one is. They're asking how anyone so interprets them today, or it that sort of behaviour was banned NT-onward. (Answer:it was.)
Then there's the usual accusations of...let me see...corruption, depravity, then the appeal to the intellect...ah, then the 'allah ackbhur'...op! And then the Jewish slander, that's relatively uncommon these days:
"No one should change books (kutub in Hebrew ) except the one who originated them ...!"
The implication being the Christians and especially Jews did. Yawn...such overt anti-semitism is almost boring by comparison, but it does illustrate one of the old islamic contempts for the other "People of the Book". By the by, any proof for that claim, nimrod, other than the Quran itself or Mohammed's other epileptic ravings? Say, what happened to all those earlier versions of the Quran prior to the Third Caliphate?
Ah, then we have the accusation of mass-murder towards muslims, seen that before with Ia and Shirki...but at least he admits that he thinks there should be rules for killing people, rather than just not killing them, which admittedly is new:
"1- Know them well and see after that if you want to kill them."
And then brings up the rare fringe "Christian" cults that have actually been responsible for some violence, that's also new:
"Then make your day..Jones, Koriesh, ect would be pretty happy about it"
But no mention, of course, of the millions of victims of islam, or the fate of kufr in muslim countries, of women, homosexuals, etc etc, ad infinitum (almost).
So, all in all, the standard islamofacist posting.
Thanks for playing.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
King: "I think I overheard something similar being barked between two 11 year old boys as I past the schoolyard on my way in to work this chilly morning."
I assumed it was what you'd interpret as "debate", since you offer nothing else.
By the by, was it in the "past" that you "passed" the schoolyard this morning, Tariq?
Holy misspelling musulmans, Batman. Language is always a real tip-off. Eh, silly Wahhabit?
Oh man, I win again.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Confused again eh Kingky. Lifes tough aint it.
I still dont know what that guy Kahen is ranting about. All that looong cutting and pasting. I suppose he's trying to defend Islam. How quoting the Bible defends Islam somehow escapes me. How pointing out some violent incidents in Christian history or some scripture that seems to advocate violence, defends Islam, escapes me as well. How the mantra, 'your religion is every bit as murderous as my religion', defends Islam is a mystery.
I can see why Kingky gets confused. He studies how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, when what he should be noticing is that the pin is sticking him in the arm. No sense, no feeling.
Religion does that to some people, drives them mad. Again, there may be merit to the idea of God, but the religions that grow up around it are NOT God and can be false and dangerous.
Islam is such a false and dangerous religion based on the assumed authenticity of Allah, his Prophet, and the Quran..."Yeah but"...There are no "yeah buts". Pull the pin out of your arm Kingky, you will feel better.
KingIntolerance: "Only a small number of Muslims act on the Koranic verses in question and do so for their own politically motivated thuggery, a vast majority of Muslims have proscribed these verses just as Chrsitians and Jews have with heir own scripture."
Right. That explains religious laws (sharia) in islamic nations, and why the native Christians and Jewish populations have disappeared in the last hundred years. That explains the absence of women's rights, laws against apostacy (death, usually) and homosexuality. And overt display of 'kufr' symbols. And all dhimmitude. Just politically motivated thuggery.
Just like when, I don't know, a secularist if evil government is forcibly deposed in the Middle East by an external power and the people promptly democratically elect an evil religious one, complete with the oppression of women and religious minorities. Sure sure.
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
Imam/Prophet/Goeff/RantnRave: "Do try and answer one or two of these."
King: As your tantrums increase in length and intenstity, so do the number of your comically psychotic questions. Its almost like you dialogue with yourself. I have no interest in answering any of your psychotic questions but placed them below or anyone who wishes to give it a go:
1. You miss those parts?
2. It shouldn't affect moderates, of course - right?
3. Nothing we do can make a moderate a radical, right?
4. Should I, were I a Christian, then fly into an apoplectic rage at the "Christ's head in urine" exhibit?
5. The cross painted in shit?
6. If you refute evolutionary theory to my face, should I hone my choppin' axe?
7.And why should my moniker offend?
8.Are there no more prophets allowed?
9.What if I say there are, and that I am one?
10. Why should muslims become enraged on reading it?
11.Should they kill me?
12.Did any of the Christians here complain?
13.Should they have?
14.Should they be offended?
15.Do I deserve to die because I call myself a "Prophet"?
16.(Moreover, did I not predict something prophetic?
17.How can you tell I'm not a prophet?)
18.Should I expect a fatwa because I have a sense of humour?
19.Would it, as you seem to imply above, be justified?
20. By the by, was it in the "past" that you "passed" the schoolyard this morning, Tariq?
"Duh:" "Pull the pin out of your arm Kingky, you will feel better."
King: Still slobbering I see. Chat with Geoff. He has lots of questions!
LMAO! Tariq, Grand Foo-Bah (pronounced FUBAH) of the Lizard Conspiracy, writes in.
One used to be able to say that the last thing one expected was "the Spanish Inquisition".
But, indeed, the nearly last thing one truly expects is for a islamicist to categorize questions posed to them by a humanist like a list of their own errors and logical inequities because they "have no ability to answer" them.
Surpassing that only would be the misuse of the word "psychotic".
LOL (seriously, I'm laughing at your comments right now)
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
"LOL (seriously, I'm laughing at your comments right now)"
King: Good! I'm laughing at the list of your questions that shall remain the completely unanswered "Exhibit A" of your psychosis.
I'm partial to this one: "How can you tell I'm not a prophet?" Its grandiose and arrogance wrapped into one. Now go paint yourself in shit and let us know how it feels.
Kink:
I'm partial to this one: "How can you tell I'm not a prophet?" Its grandiose and arrogance wrapped into one. .
And that is from that conceited, obtuse dunce who crowned himself KING!
Gosh! Is there an end to that man's stupidity or will he forever stun us with a new, more dazzling display of cretinism?
"Anyhow, the point here is that Jewish (and Christian) scripture have many passages the prescribe violence - just as the Koran does" - King T
What a load of croc. This is one of the oldest - deflecting Muslim arguements in their tatics of muddying the waters.
King I am a Christian, and I DO take offence to you saying the violent verses in the Bible are the same as that as the Koran.
For starters if you actually read AND comprehend the Old Testament (where the violent passages are) you will discover a few things such as:-
1) That God commanded a PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL to do these acts IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL. Which is why I am not afraid of traveling on a bus with an orthodox Jew, unless of course he is a bit psycho and thinks he is Joshua, Moses, or Gideon of old! The verses in the Bible ARE NOT GENERIC pronouned filled, vauge violent verses, like the Koran.
2) To understand these verses you also have to look at the groups God told the Jews to wipe out when taking back their own lands. They belonged to a strange 'giant' race of people (taking the Bible literally) who were often refered to in Hebrew as the "Nephal" or "Fallen Ones". There is much theological debate as to what this means. Me I take it literally, that the "people" involved were more than just regular "people". It also happened in Noah's time, and it was why God wiped the world out, yet spared Noah's line as it was described as "pure". Pure from what? Noah was a sinner? Dig a bit deeper.
In any case, no matter what a Christian OR JEW thinks of these violent passages, any idiot with half a brain can read them and see that they are addressed to a particular individual at a particular point in time. Yes Yes I know - its the same arguement that you Muslims use. But hey, unlike the Bible, the Koran is littered (see my posting above) with war and killing verses FROM BEGINNING TO END - and I might add - these are indescrimate verses.
As Duh Swami says - how does bagging another religion/s (who have lived together in the West very sucessfully) defend your faith? Fact is, it doesn't.
(Excuse the spelling I'm in a rush)
Oh and the Koran just says "kill". Unlike the Bible which tells Joshua, Moses, Gideon etc REAL PEOPLE with REAL NAMES to do things.
Where exactly does this happen in the Koran King? You say such verses are the same?
Duh:" "Pull the pin out of your arm Kingky, you will feel better."
King: Still slobbering I see. Chat with Geoff. He has lots of questions!
You have run plumb out of talent. You got to do better than that.
Would you please explain about Mahdi, where is he now, and when will he appear? Is he still in occultation? How will he save the world from inequities?
3rdtime: "(Excuse the spelling I'm in a rush)"
King: Ooooo, I dunno. You're going to make Geoff awfully happy! He forages for such things like spelling and grammar.
Anyhow, your obfuscation and "explanation" about OT/NT is exactly what I expected. You can sit here and dissect a scripture that's not yours and come up with all sorts fo reasons to hate it, yet, when confronted with he very same sorts of passages in YOUR scripture, there is a multi-paragraph obfuscation as to why it could not possibly be the same. Pot-kettle-black. Oh, and for the 1,000th time, I'm not Muslim. Its amusing that this won't sink in either.
To "Duh": Shhhhhhh. The thread is over. You can stop slobbering all over it, unless you want to grab a few of Geoff's questions above and give it a whirl. There are a lot fo them so it should kep your noodle busy for a few hours...
You can sit here and dissect a scripture that's not yours and come up with all sorts fo reasons to hate it, yet, when confronted with he very same sorts of passages in YOUR scripture, there is a multi-paragraph obfuscation as to why it could not possibly be the same~ kt
Wrong again and always, kt. The point is that No one in Christianity is doing these things.
Lots of people in Islam, are. When do You propose to step in and show them the error of their ways?
"King: Good! I'm laughing at the list of your questions that shall remain the completely unanswered "Exhibit A" of your psychosis."
Well, since they ultimately reflect you and your opinions about me, they're kind of more your psychosis, no?
"KT: I'm partial to this one: "How can you tell I'm not a prophet?" Its grandiose and arrogance wrapped into one."
Right. Like "KingTolerance". Gotcha. Miss the signature till just now?
Prophet Geoff
BBUH
"King: Ooooo, I dunno. You're going to make Geoff awfully happy! He forages for such things like spelling and grammar.
Anyhow, your obfuscation and "explanation" about OT/NT is exactly what I expected. You can sit here and dissect a scripture that's not yours and come up with all sorts for reasons to hate it"
Actually King T my point is they are not the same. The Bible is solely based in Israel, re the passages you quote, to specific people in that time - I am still waiting for you to show me where that is in the Koran. The Bible passages you quote – if you read a little before and a little after – you would see that.
Obviously you cannot comprehend the simple language and commands in the Bible - THE WHOLE part/chapter/story of the passages you quote. If I was to quote THE WHOLE - chapter/passages in the Koran - I don't see any a) Story in a specific place 2) these commands being given to specific people (who are all LONG DEAD) c) Which the reason Christians AND Jews can’t use those scriptures to justify violence today.
Why won’t you address the points I raised re the Bible? What you are a worthy scholar of the Koran, and also the Bible yet you won’t show it?
OH – I can only assume by your comment above, that I am not worthy to read and comprehend a book – any book, especially one that is not “mine”. Thanks for the insult.