What's causing jihadist sentiments among French Muslims? Must be a shortage of mosques! Yeah, that's it! If we fund mosques, any idea that Sharia must someday be imposed in France will vanish from among French Muslims!
That seems to be the line of reasoning. But is there any evidence to back it up? Any support for it at all? Do they think that if French Muslims come to depend upon the French government for money, they will moderate to please it? Has it escaped their notice that the Saudis have a good deal of money themselves? Will they make it illegal for mosques to receive foreign money? That is not mentioned in this article. Will they attach requirements for teaching to the money, so that mosques will lose their funding if they teach that Sharia must someday reign in France? Will they fax sermons to French imams and not allow them to preach their own, a la the Turks? None of that is mentioned in this article. "Church-state debate revived by call for mosque funding," from AFP, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
PARIS, Oct 31 (AFP) - A call for a change to a century-old French law to allow the state to fund new mosques has sent sparks flying in a society deeply attached to the separation of religion and state.Concerned that a shortage of mosques is allowing extremists to gain a foothold among Frances 5.5 million Muslims by funding places of worship, interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy earlier this month named a panel to look into the prickly question.
Due to report to the government in June next year, the committee is being asked, among other things, to suggest ways of reviewing the 1905 secularity law that bans the state from funding places of worship.
The initiative placed Sarkozy squarely at odds with both president Jacques Chirac and prime minister Dominique de Villepin, who sees the century-old law as one of the pillars of our republican system and rejects the idea of updating it.
True, more work is needed to recognise the rightful place of France's Muslims, de Villepin said, but as members of a strictly secular community....
Sarkozy has repeatedly argued that breaking the French taboo to provide public money for mosques and imams would be the best way of bringing the Muslim community into the mainstream, out of the garages and basements it is often forced to use as unofficial prayer rooms.
"To separate French Islam from foreign influences," Sarkozy said last month, "let us give it the means to be independent."
Islamic radicals are already thought to control 20 mosques in the country, according to France's domestic intelligence service, which also says militants are increasingly congregating in secret prayer-rooms, out of sight of the authorities....
In 2003, French Islam obtained its first ever officially-recognised representative body, the French Council for the Muslim Religion (CFCM), which has responsibility for issues ranging from the funding of mosques to the ritual slaughter of animals.
Now a recognised public institution, it is the government's main point of contact with the Muslim community.
And in June this year a government-backed 'Foundation for Islam' was also set up to oversee the financing of the religion in France, grouping private donations from France and abroad, held in a state-owned bank to ensure maximum transparency, to pay for building and renovating mosques as well as training imams.
Many in the political establishment are against taking the states role any further, including the CFCM president Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Paris mosque, who immediately backed de Villepin in opposing any change to the secularity law.
But other voices within the CFCM took a less hostile view and the influential rector of the Lyon mosque, Kamel Kabtane, supports a review of the 1905 law.
Concerned that a shortage of mosques is allowing extremists to gain a foothold among Frances 5.5 million Muslims by funding places of worship, interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy earlier this month named a panel to look into the prickly question
There are very few Catholic churches in my area. Guess I'd better go out and rape and kill a few people to show my displeasure at this.
Well, if so many muslims are already learning extremism in their basements and garages I don't think building an extension with minarets is going to change things.
Why is there any need to fund these dens of inequity, just control them regardless of who funds them and of course cut off all Saudi funding.
France can't even repair its crumbling schools, its ending the 5.5% VAT rate for work by Artisans at the end of the year, back up to a staggering 19.60% rate...
There is no justification to fund Mosques from government funds, and that includes local grants.
Close down the extremist Mosques, stop pussy-footing around.
Check out this typical BBC rubbish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4375910.stm
"On my class photos more than half the kids were white," he says. "On today's pictures only one or two are." That is because they are driven out by either having their cars fire-bombed or being unable to buy pork products or alcohol from the local Muslim run super-market. The Number of times I have passed the Muslim superbs in a car and seen smoke from fires, its quite amazing, I would think there are no cars left to burn...
And of course we all know what this is don't we - "Islam has adapted to local laws - from Indonesia to Senegal - and is adapting to France, says Azzedine Gaci, who heads the regional Muslim council in Lyon."
"To separate French Islam from foreign influences," Sarkozy said last month, "let us give it the means to be independent."
Will he be calling for funding for catholic churches, for anglicans, for hindu temples, to separate "French" catholicism, or "French" Anglicanism, or "French" Hinduism? Thought not. And why not?
Because catholics, anglicans and hindus dont go around exploding themselves when they get a tad miffed, I would guess is the reason. Thus, the reasoning behind this is the same, entirely fatuous reasoning as the Straw Man(tm) asserted for Turkey's membership of the EU - those nasty jehadis have just got the wrong impression of us; if we do dome public acts of contrition toward the 'islamic' world, they'll realise how nice and multicultural we really are, and cancel that order for C4.
Quelle idiote!
Atleast some of the the muslims who are reflecting on their religion in their garages and basements might, just might, have a chance to think outside of the mad mullah box many clerics screaming from the pulpits in mosques would have them entrapped in 5 times a day.
Islam would be the only religion to receive taxpayer funding, thus making it the de facto state religion of France. Eurabia draws ever closer.
"French Islam"??
What is he talking about? Islam is islam, and Sarkozy is dreaming if he thinks otherwise.
The French government is inhabited with fools and apologists. Funding mosques won't make Muslims French any more than doing so in Germany or America or Australia will make Muslims acculturate and become assimilated citizens.
The purpose of Islam is not to become assimilated but to conquer. The purpose of those that have moved in and are using taxpayer funds and services of nations is to act as a vanguard for eventual conquest, if not for the caliphate, at least to create an Islamic republic where a free country once stood.
Muslims have turned yet another Western motif to their favor: French cultural pride.
When will the dimmies (dummies) in the west wake up. More mosques = less terrorism is a joke. Deportation of Muslims from the west = less terrorism.
Get rid of the cancer that has crept into the the body of Europe. Only by cutting it out, can the west be saved, before the whole body begins to rot.
Daffersd
'The Muslim superbs'
They sound ok - did they give you a wave?
Can anyone else see it now, some small (nonMuslim) religious sect, starving for funds, thinking a la The Mouse that Roared that the answer to their financial problems is to...
Rather than using ratepayer funds to build mosques, why not use that same money to export the surplus muslims to a place where there are adequate facilities for them?
Daniel Dravot writes:
"Rather than using ratepayer funds to build mosques, why not use that same money to export the surplus muslims to a place where there are adequate facilities for them?"
That was the sound of a nail being hit firmly on the head.
State funded mosques are not the answer. The best way to spend the money, besides exporting mohammadans to where they belong, is to fund a
bunch of art and comedy aimed at depicting Mohammad with pictures, so that people can see what he's about, and then judge the subsequent reactions of the mohammadans and see how it all squares with this ROP nonsense.
Ayan Hirst Ali (sp?) suggested just recently in light of the Danish event that we should be mocking islam agressively, so that mohammadans would have some explaining to do. Wow, what a leader! I wish there were someone like her in
the USA, in either party OK, Tom Tancredo and
Mitt Romney are making some noise, but neither
quite measures up to her. She's a genuine heroine.
"To separate French Islam from foreign influences," Sarkozy said last month, "let us give it the means to be independent."
ABSURD -- a neat little bit of French self delusion... But even the USA isn't immune from this kind of absurdity.
Yes, foreign aid to Mosques, including salaries paid abroad for foreign 'Imams" to come and propagandize no doubt contributes to the tenor of Islam in the West... But the world - wide phenomenon of Islamic 'extremism' can't possibly be a byproduct of 'foreign influence!' How to explain Islamically inspired violence right in the hearts of Sunni Islam (Saudi Arabia) and Iran (Shiite Islam) !!!! What 'foreign' sinister forces were at work in those epicenters to cause their brand of Islam to foment hatred, to exhort violence against the Jew -- the 'infidel?' It is Islam itself. I am so repulsed at the idea that we in the West should somehow come to Islam's salvation, and save it from itself -- In essence, become the greatest champions of Islam since Muhammad! IT IS OUTRAGEOUS BEYOND BELIEF THAT WESTERN TAX PAYERS ARE BEING FORCED TO SUBSIDIZE ISLAM -- PERIOD.
This goes for the US Government too! In 2004, over $350,000,000 was allocated by the Senate and Congress for 'MOSQUE CONSTRUCTION" in Afghanistan. I'm not sure if this was an annual sum, or an aggregate amount to cover the 4 years of rebuilding so far... I wrote furiously to various Senators -- I WAS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED -- i got little response, but those few conveyed sympathy for the idea --
Aside from ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL strictures against the US Government establishing religion -- the idea that I'm being asked to foot the bill to build more indoctrination centers for the promulgation of hate, and prevention of virture, is UNBEARABLE to me....!
"To separate French Islam from foreign influences," Sarkozy said last month, "let us give it the means to be independent."
ABSURD -- a neat little bit of French self delusion... But even the USA isn't immune from this kind of absurdity.
Yes, foreign aid to Mosques, including salaries paid abroad for foreign 'Imams" to come and propagandize no doubt contributes to the tenor of Islam in the West... But the world - wide phenomenon of Islamic 'extremism' can't possibly be a byproduct of 'foreign influence!' How to explain Islamically inspired violence right in the hearts of Sunni Islam (Saudi Arabia) and Iran (Shiite Islam) !!!! What 'foreign' sinister forces were at work in those epicenters to cause their brand of Islam to foment hatred, to exhort violence against the Jew -- the 'infidel?' It is Islam itself. I am so repulsed at the idea that we in the West should somehow come to Islam's salvation, and save it from itself -- In essence, become the greatest champions of Islam since Muhammad! IT IS OUTRAGEOUS BEYOND BELIEF THAT WESTERN TAX PAYERS ARE BEING FORCED TO SUBSIDIZE ISLAM -- PERIOD.
This goes for the US Government too! In 2004, over $350,000,000 was allocated by the Senate and Congress for 'MOSQUE CONSTRUCTION" in Afghanistan. I'm not sure if this was an annual sum, or an aggregate amount to cover the 4 years of rebuilding so far... I wrote furiously to various Senators -- I WAS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED -- i got little response, but those few conveyed sympathy for the idea --
Aside from ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL strictures against the US Government establishing religion -- the idea that I'm being asked to foot the bill to build more indoctrination centers for the promulgation of hate, and prevention of virture, is UNBEARABLE to me....!
sorry for double posting -- something seems to be wrong with the post a comment section today...
Suuuuure. And if we give Iran nuclear weapons, they won't have to build nuclear reactors.........
So whats it gong to be since the teargas was thrown into the mosque perhaps out of deep regret 10 new ones will be built. I had always thought religion waqs a personal choice,don't these folks have apartments or do they all live on the streets. If they have apartments or rooms they can worship there.
"To separate French Islam from foreign influences,let us give it the means to be independent."
-- French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy
So then, now the project is to create an independent, nationalist strain of a religion named Submission?
I think he and his budddies over at the Ruling Olympian Elite temple need to get back to first cases.