British MP Harriet Harman got quite the surprise last week when members of Hizb ut-Tahrir came for a visit, taking advantage of Harman’s open-door office policy. The representatives of the violent Muslim group were there to complain about the British government’s efforts to outlaw their organization, in a story recounted by Nick Cohen in the Observer:
A few weeks ago, Harriet Harman was holding a surgery for her Peckham constituents. As always, it was an open house, and every variety of south Londoner was coming to her office. She had dealt with the usual run of complaints and appeals when the door opened and for the first time in her life Harman confronted authentic anti-democrats.If she had been less startled, she might have seen the funny side. The members of Hizb ut-Tahrir hated democracy and all that went with it - secularism, the separation of church and state, the emancipation of women. It's not just that they would establish a dictatorship if they came to power, the successor parties to the communists and the fascists would do that. The Islamists regarded it as sinful to stand in elections or even vote.
Yet here were totalitarians and misogynists going to a woman democratic politician and begging her to persuade Tony Blair not to take authoritarian measures against their authoritarian sect. The scene could have been bettered only if Harman had been a Jewish lesbian.
In fact, she is a courteous and patient politician. She listened politely to what they had to say and the more she heard the more despairing she became. As they were leaving, she said, 'you're British citizens. Shouldn't you try to play a part in British society?'
'We're not a part of British society,' they told her. 'We stay here like guests in a hotel.'
'We're not a part of British society,' they told her. 'We stay here like guests in a hotel.'
So when are they checking out and returning to their ancestral home?
Thank god for stupid people.
Let these bozos go around calling on British pols. Tell them how you demand your rights, although you have no loyalty to the country that's taken you in. Tell them you are going to replace their infidel constitutional monarchy with Sharia Law.
As a matter of fact, I think a visit with the prime minister really is in order. Jack Straw is another person you should see.
A little screaming, name calling, threatening, and spittle spraying is a good idea. Maybe even some overtly threatening body language.
I support your lobbying effort 100%.
This was a little message for her: We can reach out and touch you if we want to. There was no other reason for them going to her office.
Hope she got the message ...
Shiva and I have written extensively on the "politics of confrontation." It's a hard game and it takes hard men to play it. It also requires idiots, stupid people, and bozos. The simplest reduction is to provoke a confrontation that will escalate to the point of no return, to a point at which something must be done because apathy and quietism is no longer practicable.
Hugh writes of this regarding Iraq. We can see the same need in England, France, and Denmark, Sweden, and nearly every other European nation. But our good bet is today to ally with the youth under threat in English cities. We have friends here who might liaise successfully with ethnic minority youths for the purpose of creating the needed tensions that will bring about a greater awareness of the seriousness of our collective problem. And that doesn't mean we should avoid liaisons with the counter-group. I say no. I say we should encourage them, not our own and not others, to take up the burden of displaying their true natures. I suggest it would be fruitful if ours here were to assist the others in their efforts, short of fracturing the legal nicities of the nation.
Ten pounds and a bit of help and encouragement in producing a leaflet denouncing the desecration of the Koran by kafirs might pay off in happiness in the long-term. But too, one might prepare the ground for such a sidewalk ballet by working equally closely with the other side of the other side: one might inform them of the nature of the situation in advance, letting them know the dance is beginning, where to arrive, the time, the conditions of the scene. And then...well, nature takes its natural course.
Re: 'We're not a part of British society,' they told her. 'We stay here like guests in a hotel.'
Well Mr. Blair, there is your justification for expelling these bozos immediately. What are you waiting for, there are no more excuses for delaying.
Don't you have to pay the hotel if you want to stay in it?
Their arrogance is astounding! Britain's tolerance of it is beyond belief. What happens next? Do they declare war against their own nation, even though they do not consider it their nation?
I get the impression that they actually believe they have the right to usurp the British government! But they're just a "fringe" group with a few disenchanted members, nothing to worry about------- except hundreds of other similar muslim organizations with identical agendas and countless members.
I think the hotel has a full right to show the door to the undesired customers. The question is whether or not the British dhimmis consider Hizb to be undesirable.
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Check out time,
now.
I've never heard of the term 'Islam Hadhari'...was wondering about your take Mr Spencer? Hugh?
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2005/oct/23/102302605.html
They tell us, to our faces, exactly what they're about, and still we don't, won't, believe. Not just this group, but all of them. None of them are part of our society. They tell us, all the time. Some directly, some indirectly but by leaving so many clues you have to be daft to not pick up on them.
As to the hotel guests analogy ... hotel guests usually pay the hotel for the privilege to stay in the hotel. But with this bunch, it's the other way around. We pay them, to be saddled with their presence, putting up with their ungratefulness, and hostility. No, they are not like hotel guests. They are like termites in your house. Unwelcome and destructive. I wish even our own govt, here in Oz, would declare this group persona non grata. They make enough vile statements about us to warrant it. Vermin that needs to be removed. Like cane toads.
They do provide stand up comedy though. I miss Captain Hook (Abu Hamza)sometimes. He was good for a laugh.
'We stay here like guests in a hotel.'
Now's the time to check out and go home, Mr. Ayrab!
They would have to pay a huge (nonrefundable) deposit to get a room in my hotel.
Londongirl...I agree that some of these guys provide endless laughs, but in a way it's like laughing at Dracula. If you can suspend the sinister implications, Dracula is funny too. Anyone who dresses like that on a daily basis is hair-lair-e-ous. Film makers recognise that also and have made several comedic Dracula movies. If you suspend sinister implications, monkey island at the zoo is a good place to study human behavior. Islam is like that. If you remove sinister implications, Muslims are the Keystone cops, the Quran a comic book and Islam is Animal House for Allah... How else do you explain giant spiders?...have a good d ay...
Cornelius:
Islam Hadhari literal Arabic translation is Civilized Islam. I do not know if it has any other termed definition.
Posted by: Cornelius
"I've never heard of the term 'Islam Hadhari'...was wondering about your take Mr Spencer? Hugh?"
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2005/oct/23/102302605.html
What is interesting is that this story, with all its implications, should be published by the very left wing weekly THE OBSERVER - the Grauniad's Sunday supplement. Evidently even some lefties are unable to hide from the truth any more. Although, if you look at the most influential left-wing paper in the country - the DAILY MIRROR - you still have to wonder what it will take before the really rock-headed cases finally draw their skulls out of their anuses.
Re: "'We stay here like guests in a hotel.'
Too bad that hotel isn't Fawlty Towers - Sybil would take care of them.
Paolo:
Probably something as earth-shakingly significant as what it took for the Left to stop opposing the war against the Nazis. The only problem with this is that so far as I know there's no signed document that's analogeous to the Hitler-Stalin pact.
Maybe, HT's own account may help
http://www.hizb.org.uk/pressnew/index.php?id=2590