Here's the sequence: Islamic jihadists mount a major attack against non-Muslims. Officials begin investigating, whereupon Muslims begin to protest the "climate of fear" created by the investigation, and say they are struggling to understand why the attackers did what they did, and that they feel unfairly targeted by law enforcement. Rumors of beatings and torture by police begin to circulate.
Post-9/11 America? No, post-Nalchik Russia. From AFP, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
NALCHIK, Russia (AFP) - Local Muslims have denounced a climate of fear for believers and criticised state-backed Islamic officials as this North Caucasus city struggled to understand why dozens of local men took up arms against the state."There is complete police arbitrariness... and judges get their orders against Muslims by telephone," said Ali Pshigotizhev, 55, an unemployed former radio presenter with a charcoal-grey beard.
Pshigotizhev's son, Zaur, 29, a taxi driver, was arrested on suspicion of taking part in a wave of attacks on police and security forces outposts in Nalchik last week that officials said killed 12 civilians and 36 law enforcement officers.
Outside the main government building in central Nalchik, female relatives of the 92 militants officially reported killed in the attacks demanded authorities return their loved ones' corpses for burial.
"He saw so much injustice in the police force that he decided to retrain as a lawyer," said the aunt of Khasbulat Kerefov, 24, who said her nephew had gone missing during the attacks.
Under heavy rain, the women described beatings and humiliating abuses in local police stations. Many said their sons, brothers and nephews could not get jobs or university places because of their beliefs.
"They call us the Wahhabists. They are people and we are non-people," said Marina, 19, whose 33-year-old uncle, a builder, took part in the attacks and who declined to give her surname for fear of police reprisals....
Many believers were angered at the closure of six mosques in and around Nalchik last year.
"They were training to use weapons in the mosques... that's why they were closed down," Marina Kyasova, a local interior ministry spokeswoman, told AFP in a building still scarred by bullet holes from the militants' attacks.
"We should have acted more forcefully... We shouldn't just copy democracy and human rights from other countries -- we should adapt them to our own conditions," Kyasova said....
During the 1990s, young Muslims from the republic travelled to the Middle East for Islamic studies.
Some believers say they brought back true Islam, incurring the suspicion of the authorities but officials say problems with the police started after these men were brainwashed with extremist ideas.
"They call us the Wahhabists. They are people and we are non-people," said Marina, 19, whose 33-year-old uncle, a builder, took part in the attacks and who declined to give her surname for fear of police reprisals....
I guess she has it all wrong, Muslims think that they are people and everyone else should die. I find it incredible that these days Muslims have adopted the shameless tactic of denying historical truths.
Even with constant terrorism and beheadings (stonings, and the whole lot of other ghastly deeds), they still just sit there completely shameless and reply "What? Don't look at me, it's not Islam." Bloody annoying.
I have argued with quite a few on forum and such and it blows my mind that they simply deny ever having committed atrocities against any community in the world, even if it had been recorded by an Islamic historian. You cannot reason with a people who are not willing to accept their wrong-doings.
Unless Muslims begin to accept what they have done against others, their can be no peace or reconciliation in this world.
Putin quick send more arms to Syria, Iran etc. They`ll let you in peace.
Ask Jack Straw he knows all about it.
This year the karmic convergence has been pretty vgood. The Tsunami took 300k, the Pak quake 80k, the Paki Shiite/Sunni clashes, Iraq etc etc.
And they hunger for more. Right, more on the way then.
Uh, oh...Young people "returned to the Middle East and returned with the true Islam. We all know what that means. Whatever feelings of tolerance and coexistence between and among the different groups is now out the window and the current phase of the Jihad for the "true Islam" is now in full swing. I would imagine that the "discrimination and humiliation" is due to the fact that Russians take a dim view of returnees that have decided that blowing up school children and others is justified as it furthers the aims of Islam...
"Some believers say they brought back true Islam, incurring the suspicion of the authorities but officials say problems with the police started after these men were brainwashed with extremist ideas."
This is what is wrong, for once "some believers" are telling the truth and the authorities still say "extremist ideas." .... even the Russians are in denial.
'In corner of the Russian Caucuses' etc etc.
Could I add for the edification of the casual observer:- if unfamiliar with this area of the planet please insert the country of your choice to gain the full import of the message
Cheerio Chaps! Pip Pip an all that wot, twot, twot!
Jihad =
1. Muslims move into an area...
2. Muslims viciously attack non-Muslims on manufactured pretext.
3. Muslims maintain that they're being discriminated against -- new pretext is added to further the jihad.
4. More Muslim attacks...
5. More claims by the Muslims of victimhood....
6. "Infidels" begin to move out of the neighborhood, region, country...
7. Muslims claim that Islam is being denied because it isn't the law of the land... more pretexts are added to further the jihad...
8. Finally enough "non-Muslims" leave or are so frightened that accept that "resistance is futile"
9. Muslims enact sharia laws to make sure they will now hold onto the new territory for perpetuity through incessant acts of violence, intolerance, and terror against Muslim and non-Muslim alike...
10A. It becomes so unbearable for everyone that the Muslims must invent a foil to prevent insurrection against the horros of Islam. Indoctrination continues in earnest blaming everything on the "infdel" and the perfidious jew... Some thralls nevertheless feel that they leave/escape the Muslim hell whole, but they've been so brainwashed with fear and loathing that they can't accept that ISLAM is to blame for their revolting existence... Unfortunate for humanity, they leave their sh*thole of origin, and bring their Muslim brainwashing along with them... or
10B. The elite Islamic power stucture finds the means to pays for emmigration to new fertile ground by local Muslim thralls willing to leave...
repeat 1. thru 10A. or 10B. until assimilation is complete...
This may take several thousand years, but who's counting?
Gorkhali says:
""They call us the Wahhabists. They are people and we are non-people," said Marina, 19, whose 33-year-old uncle, a builder, took part in the attacks and who declined to give her surname for fear of police reprisals....
I guess she has it all wrong, Muslims think that they are people and everyone else should die. I find it incredible that these days Muslims have adopted the shameless tactic of denying historical truths."
Actually there is a twofold mentality at work here
the first of which is projection... that is: accusing others of that of which one is guilty.
The other is Orwellian,.
JihadWatch has a very important place in informing the readers of acts of Islamofacism worldwide, but the commentary on this article leaves a lot lacking:
Robert fails to place in context that Muslims have feared the authorities well before the Nalchik Raid. Indeed, the Caucasus like Central Asia was part of the Sufi region of the Muslim World - a much more open form of Islam than Salafist and Wahhabist to say the least. Unfortunatley, the sheer incompetence and repressiveness of the authorities, the stagnant economic situation, and Saudi money which is driving the people to radicalism.
I am not condoning the actions of Shamil Basayev, who is without a doubt an evil man. But, the deteriorating situation in Southern Russia did not occur out of a vacuum. An Islamic Bogeyman did not appear out of nowhere with Saudi money and turned the Caucasus to the mess it is. Basayev and his followers are easily exploiting an economically backward region, where the regional authorities oppress its people like it was still the USSR.
The situation there now is a downward spiral. Oppressed and misguided people turn to Islamofacism, which causes more oppression by the government, which encourages more people to Islamofacism and so forth...
While Moscow cannot muster the military resources to crush the “Green Revolution” led by Basayev, they are not making things any easier in the Caucasus by closing down any mosque it wants, interrogating whomever they feel like and so on – generally alienating the people of that region and making them wonder if being part of Russia is worth it.
I am not sure what the U.S. is doing at the moment, but when the "Green Revolution" comes to full effect, we are going to have some major issues. First Chechnya and now KBR (Where Nalchik is), we may see the first domino falling leading to the breakdown of Russia (again).
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I was born in one of the ex-communist countries the Russians occupied for decades. They did terrible things to people, everybody lived in fear as they had no regards for human rights at all; they also ruined those countries' economies. By the time they left our economy was collapsing. Yet not one suiccide bomber emerged from any of the ex-communist countries. Not a single terrorist.
While i take your point i still can't help asking why is is always Muslims, who react to real or imagined injustice by murdering civilians. Believe me i know what it is like to live under Russian rule, yet i never considered murdering any civilian Russian or not.
I was born in one of the ex-communist countries the Russians occupied for decades. They did terrible things to people, everybody lived in fear as they had no regards for human rights at all; they also ruined those countries' economies. By the time they left our economy was collapsing. Yet not one suiccide bomber emerged from any of the ex-communist countries. Not a single terrorist.
While i take your point i still can't help asking why is is always Muslims, who react to real or imagined injustice by murdering civilians. Believe me i know what it is like to live under Russian rule, yet i never considered murdering any civilian Russian or not.
Posted by: Tiferet at October 24, 2005 04:33 AM
Exactly, Tiferet. Why is it, almost invariable, Muslims who resort to murdering civilians even when political resolutions are available. Let's ask those apologists for jihad violence why we don't see Tibetans and Taiwanese blowing themselves and Chinese civilians up, or why middle eastern Christians aren't perpetrating jihad against the usual Israeli targets, let alone the Muslim Arabs who actually are persecuting them? It couldn't possibly be that their leaders leverage what is written in their holy texts to incite them to do what they do, could it? Surely not!
"Why is it, almost invariable, Muslims who resort to murdering civilians even when political resolutions are available."
Because they have the right too. The Qu'ran tells me so.
Tiferet et al,
Always good to hear comments from those who have directly experienced the difficulties in Russia. Its an area I am very much interested in and have written on, but so far my experience and knowledge has been vicariously through books. I would really like to hear your views on Eurasia etc – if youre open to it.
And, yes, it is obvious that its been mainly a group identifying themselves as "True" Muslims that have resorted to this sort and level of violence, with the Tamil Tigers being one of the few non-Muslim groups that conduct themselves similarly.
In addition to the socio-political issues I mentioned, the idea of "defensive jihad" and the idea of a separation between the "True" Muslims and the unbelievers, I think readily lends itself to what we are seeing throughout the world - be it Trinidad or Thailand, Paris or New York and so on.
It does not help to have Muhammad (sp), the founder of Islam, to also be seen as a warrior figure rather than say purely a non-violent figure like Jesus.
These are inherent structural, doctrinal and belief issues with Islam that must be resolved by Muslims themselves and I agree with many here who think that Muslims (of all stripes) could do so much more to solve this problem. If Muslims internally dont resolve this in time and the attacks continue, I fear that we will descend back to the pre-modern tactics of war and matching them in their barbarisms.
At the same time, I think that the comment by Robert isnt helping the situation on our side. While the enemy reduces us to caricatures of weak and petty infidels, we shouldnt do the same to them - least we make this conflict/war/"whatever you want to call it" harder for us to win. Understanding all aspects of the adversary (motives, environment, source of support) is key to victory.
Anyhow, I sort of touched similar issues and viewpoints in a previous posting at JihadWatch, here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008486.php#c131266