The former Indonesian president, Abdurrahman Wahid, believes military intelligence has an active role in jihad activity committed in his country. This might explain why cleric Abu Bakar Bashir's prison sentence was reduced. From the The Australian:
In an interview with SBS's Dateline program to be aired tonight, on the third anniversary of the bombing that killed 202 people, Mr Wahid says he has grave concerns about links between Indonesian authorities and terrorist groups.While he believed terrorists were involved in planting one of the Kuta night club bombs, the second, which destroyed Bali's Sari Club, had been organised by authorities.
Asked who he thought planted the second bomb, Mr Wahid said: "Maybe the police ... or the armed forces."
"The orders to do this or that came from within our armed forces, not from the fundamentalist people," he says.
The program also claims a key figure behind the formation of terror group Jemaah Islamiah was an Indonesian spy.
Former terrorist Umar Abduh, who is now a researcher and writer, told Dateline Indonesian authorities had a hand in many terror groups.
"There is not a single Islamic group either in the movement or the political groups that is not controlled by (Indonesian) intelligence," he said.
Abduh has written a book on Teungku Fauzi Hasbi, a key figure in Jemaah Islamiah (JI) who had close contact with JI operations chief Hambali and lived next door to Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir.
Please read it all.
More proof, as if any more is needed, that the concept of civil government is anathema to Islam and the Moslems who practice it.
Yeah, I know: military men aren't civilians. But the distinction here is military serving a civil government vs. military serving an Islamic government.
*That* was the argument that took most assuredly place in the barracks before the Indonesian soliders (Moslems all) decided that that the right thing to do was to mosey on down to the Sari Club and mass murder some of those doggone infidels partying there.
Allahu Akbar, Sir!
Remember the television footage of Samudra yucking it up with the police after the original Bali bombing ? Those jarring images have always stuck in my mind -- there was something absolutely jovial and smug -- as if the "trials" of these vermin is a big show put on to appease the "infidel" world -- I wonder if the much ballyhooed "death sentences" against Hambali and Samudra will ever be upheld? Something about this story above and all the gladhanding in courts tell me 'no...absolutely NOT...'
That vampire "Abu" Bakr Bashir's preposterous sentence is just another hint about where Indonesia's real sentiments lie. But woe betide ANY "non-Muslim" who supposedly transgresses against the sharia inspired "justice" system in Indonesia -- those framed Australian girls will probably never see the light of day again --
Any Westerner who travels to Muslim countries is clearly in increasing jeopardy -- not to mention a sap. They run the risk of running afoul of the draconian Islamic laws without the hope of justice or leniency -- Allah being a forgiving god notwithstanding... Oh yeah --I have been a great misunderstander of Islam -- he's forgiving if you're a Muslim -- but if you're not, well your goose is cooked...
There is only one option left for the poor Balinese--India needs to put political pressure on Indonesia and if that doesn't work-- declare war to liberate the Hindu island of Bali from the Islamofascist government of Indonesia!!! Why is it that only Muslims can declare war to "liberate" the Muslim majority areas of non-muslim countries. Muslim countries oppress their minorities more than other countries w/ jizya, dhimmitude etc!
The Balinese need the support of the kafir nations! Support the liberation of Bali!!
The Balinese needs the support of the kafir nations! Support the liberation of Bali!!
Considering it was the Indonesian (Muslim) Police who stood by and allowed the murder of around 200,000 Catholic East Timorese last decade back to the 70's (The Late Pope's silence on this was deafening, better to kiss Koran's than save your own people, Oh and the Australian Labor Party who also gave Indoneisa the "go ahead" for the invasion of East Timor), why should we be surprised?
After all - do not forget there has not been ONE conviction by either the UN OR that "great" Islamic democracy, Indonesia. If only the UN showed the same vigour as they did chasing down the Serbian's towards these murderous Indonesian Police bastards, who give Australian Corby 15 years for a dubious "drug smuggling" operation, and let Jihadi Bali Bomber Bashir off for next to nothing. But hey, that's UN AND Islamic Justice. Both are a joke! What a better demonstration of Islamic Tolerance this is.
The only time Bali will be safe will be when it has self rule by the local, non Muslim population. Until then, it is a case of the "Fox guarding the Hen House".
Bali (and Israel) are what all us apathetic Westerners can look forward to under Islamic Justice and dominance. Welcome to the Religion of Peace and Tolerance.
During the past decade there have been numerous skirmishes between Indonesia's Christian and Islamic factions (no surprise). It is also possible that there have been conflicts between various Islamic factions, as in Kalimantan where the conflict between Dayak (possibly Islamicized by the Indonesian military) and the Madurese took hundreds if not thousands of Madurese lives.
It was never established WHO Islamicized the Kalimantan Dayaks. But the conflict in Central and Western Kalimantan provinces APPEARS little different in outward human activities than what took place in Ambon, other parts of Maluku and Central Sulawesi (beheadings,etc).
Islam cannibalizes Islam per orders of Mahomet in the Qur'an. Thus, if the Madurese were targeted for elimination in Kalimantan, it would not be far-fetched to wonder if it wasn't the Indonesian armed forces that Islamicized the Dayaks and trained them to ethnically purge the province of these people.
One reason for suspicion regarding this conflict is that other transplanted Indonesian ethnicities were left alone although they were as guilty of grievances against the Dayak native folk as the Madurese. So something is fishy about the general explanation that it was an ethnic flare-up. In fact, it was a region-wide conflict and well-orchestrated by at least some of the Dayaks. It is doubtful anyone as technologically backward as the Dayak would have been as successful militarily without outside help. That help may have come from the Indonesian armed forces (who by the way set up many 'ethnic' conflicts across the Indonesian archipelago at that time with such impromptu terrorist organizations as 'Laskar Jihad'). The timing of the Dayak-Madurese conflict (occurring at the same time as conflicts in Maluku and Sulawesi) makes it look suspicious too. As, too, do reports of al-Qaeda terrorist training camps in Central Kalimantan in the 1990s---could the Dayaks have been trained for jihad warfare here and tested their warring skills on the Madurese people? Did Jakarta set this up?
Why? One reason would be to train these newly-converted Muslims for jihad throughout Indonesia and perhaps elsewhere in the world. Far-fetched?? Not when you discover that the Indonesian government invested heavily in submarines. The Mossad warned the US government after 9-11 that jihadists were plotting to attack the US using submarines to land enemy Muslim combatants on US soil for purposes of jihad. Indonesian and Malaysian, maybe?
Mosques throughout Indonesia have exhorted Indonesians Muslims to board submarines to go to America and slit the throats of the American 'infidels'. I read postings to that effect by an American Muslimconvert who was visiting Indonesia with his wife and was reportedly surprised to learn how extreme Indonesia's form of Islam has now become (shockingly violent).
Certainly, if Jakarta's jihadists in the armed forces WERE behind the Kalimantan bloodbaths, it may have been at the behest of Ousamah bin Laden, al-Qaeda or something still more sinister that we do not yet know about.
I firmly believe that some high people from Jakarta are behind the both Bali bombings,2002,2005,but saying the police and military are directly involved,is a bit out of order.
And let us not loose sight of who Mr Abdurrahman Wahid is,firstly he has grudge against the military,for not supporting him,and turned their guns on him when he refused to leave the Presidential Palace. Nor should we forget that his family founded the M.U.which done Sohartos dirty work in 1965 where 1,000,000 where hacked to death.
pythagoras
As mentioned before Your theory about the dayaks is a bit far fetched
The following is a look at the two warring ethnic groups on Kalimantan island -- the indigenous Dayaks and the migrant Madurese settlers.
Indigenous Dayaks and Malays make up about 40 percent of the population in Indonesia's four Kalimantan provinces. Ethnic Chinese, holders of much of the region's wealth, make up about 12 percent of the population, and Madurese settlers only about 8 percent.
The Dayaks and Madurese have been involved in several physical conflicts over the years. The bloodiest ones include the current clashes in Sampit, Central Kalimantan, and the violence that took place in Sambas, West Kalimantan, in 1999.
The current clashes between indigenous Dayaks and Madurese settlers in Sampit, which erupted on Feb. 18, have claimed hundreds of lives, mostly Madurese, and forced tens of thousands of Madurese into makeshift refugee centers.
About 3,000 people were killed and tens of thousands displaced in 1999 when Malays, backed by Dayak tribesmen, attacked Madurese migrants in Sambas.
Kalimantan or Borneo, the third largest island in the world at 736 square kilometers, is shared by three countries -- Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei.
The 539.500 square kilometers of Indonesia's part of Borneo island is divided into four provinces -- West, East, Central and South Kalimantan.
The Dayaks
The Dayaks are divided into seven main tribes -- Dayak Ngaju, Dayak Kayan, Dayak Iban, Dayak Klematan, Dayak Murut, Dayak Punan and Dayak Danum. The seven tribes are divided into smaller subtribes.
The Dayaks originally lived near the rivers along Kalimantan's coast, but gradually moved inland as migrant settlers began to occupy their lands.
According to the head of the Association of East Kalimantan Dayaks, Julianus Sulaiman, the word "dayak" was derived from the Dutch word "dayaker", meaning a wild community.
Before Dutch colonialists outlawed the practice in the late 19th century, the Dayaks had a well-deserved reputation as headhunters.
Sociologist Sarosa Hamongpranoto from Mulawarman University in Samarinda said the ancient Dayak tradition of decapitating their enemies was closely related to the wedding ceremony, with the heads of the enemies being given to brides as dowry. The tradition was called ngayau, but Sarosa believes it has long been abandoned.
Sarosa claims the Dayaks are basically a peaceful people, saying they avoid conflict and choose to avoid the increasing economic competition in Kalimantan.
"They (Dayaks) are friendly, extroverted and like to avoid conflict. Some social problems are settled through ancient traditional institutions, in which the elderly are regarded as the wisest people in solving any problem," Sarosa said.
The Dayaks, who number about two million in Kalimantan, are largely Christians, but some still hold ancient animistic beliefs, knows as Kaharingan.
Traditionally they live in groups along rivers in longhouse communities with no more than a few hundred members. Their livelihood has traditionally depended on the cultivation of rice, along with fishing, hunting and the logging of rain forests.
Some groups, however, live as nomads, opening up forests for their simple plantations and then moving on to other areas.
In recent years, many Dayaks have taken jobs in the island's gold, tin and copper mines, industries which are mostly run by settlers or foreign companies.
The Madurese
The 5,300-square-kilometer Madura island is located in the province of East Java, just a few kilometers from Surabaya, the provincial capital. The island is a major supplier of salt to many parts of Java, and also to other areas of Indonesia.
The Madurese are staunch Muslims. Many Islamic boarding schools have been established on the island, which has contributed to the teaching of Islam in East Java and other areas of Java.
Due to overcrowding on the island and soil that is unfit for cultivation, many Madurese travel to other parts of the country to earn a living.
The Madurese began arriving in Kalimantan in large numbers in 1960s as part of the government-sponsored transmigration program.
As migrant settlers, the Madurese are well known for their toughness and solidarity among themselves.
In Kalimantan, their numbers reach up to 100,000. They mostly compete with locals in the lowest levels of the economy.
A Madurese sociologist, Abdul Latief Wiyata, stressed that there were prevailing stereotypes of Madurese that were mostly incorrect, but were still believed by many people.
"The Madurese often are associated with the clurit (a traditional sharp weapon), the karapan sapi (traditional cow racing) and violence," he said.
According to Latief, the Madurese are hard workers and have a strong grip on old traditions that are rich with Islamic teachings -- a picture that explains why the Madurese cannot accept the Dayak habit of keeping dogs and eating pork, dogs and pigs being two animals forbidden by Islam.
I would like to add that where ever you find Madurese you find trouble but this isn,t noted on the international news
I will agree that some very sinister games are being played by Jakarta,Just google transmigrasi and you may get a clue as to what is going on