A seminar held in New Delhi and attended by several prominent Islamic clerics and politicians has decided to blame the West for connecting Islam to terrorism. Of course, the numerous terrorist organizations who constantly invoke Islam in order to justify their daily attacks are blameless, according to India News:
Prominent Muslim Clerics and diplomats of Arab countries have charged the West with seeking to link Islam with terrorism, stating only a ''handful of heretic and fundamentalist groups'' are spreading terror in the world in the name of Jihad (Holy War).''Extremism is a worldwide phenomenon. It is not confined to any particular region or religion. Any attempt to link it with Islam would create civilization conflict,'' they said at a seminar on ''Quran for Peace and Progress'', here last evening.
In his address, Maulana Azami said Islam was a religion of peace and it taught tolerance, good inter-religious ties, absolute freedom of expression and respect for sentiments of others.
Islam and terrorism were poles apart, he said and added Jihad was waged to fight against injustice and not to kill innocents.
Ahhh...jihad only kills those who are unjust, not innocent. I feel safer already. Of course, as is common at such conferences, Western nations, not mass-murdering Islamic terrorists, are singled out as the real sources of “instability” in the Muslim world:
He also criticized the West for suppressing the voice of many Islamic nations. Palestinians have been denied their inalienable rights, while wrong policies of West caused instability in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Blaming the victim. The first refuge of the scoundrel.
Dhimmi Indians allowing such a conference on their soil! India is the major frontline in the Islamic expansion dream. It must be kept away from the Islamics at all costs. The Islamists want to take it over and keep it as the jewel in the crown of the Islamic empire. Thus, all support must be given to the Hindus and Buddhists in those regions. They are the only ones separating Indonesia and Pakistan, and they keep the Islamic world physically separated. If they go down, Caliphate is a certainty.
The Qur'an is to blame for Islam being linked to terrorism.
There, that sounds better.
DCWatson:
I do not believe that the Quran should be blamed for Islam being linked to terrorism. Nor is it the fault of the west. It is the terrorists themselves, they started shouting out "Jiihad, Jiihad"!!! WHich must've been one of the most stupid things they have ever done. Nevertheless the West doesn't make it better by spreading their propaganda which constantly links these Terrorists with Islam. Of course they have the religion of Islam but it doesn't mean that islam supports what they are doing nor does it mean that all islamic people support it either. Only the sick ones do.
I am not muslim, I am not arab, I am not religious in any way.
Gee, I'm just another stupid infidel; I believe everything you say, Mr. Maulana Azami.
Cyrus
You are on a wind up aren't you? Surely? C'mon admit it!..
Cyrus, thanks for your input. However, I beg to differ. The Qur'an and the founder of Islam are both terroristic in nature.
Please, feel free to read it. You should find approximately 164 or so verses commanding violence against those who do not carry a torch for Allah.
The Qur'an is the source for this.
Feel free to read Surahs 8:12, 9.5, 48.29, 9.29, 5.51, 4.34, and scores of others. It is not a Holy book, except to those who follow it.
You said: Of course they have the religion of Islam but it doesn't mean that islam supports what they are doing nor does it mean that all islamic people support it either. Only the sick ones do.
Islam has been in war for most of the 1400 years it has been in existence. Not defensive, but war to spread the words of the Qur'an.
Were you aware that the Islamic world is 62 percent illiterate?
I would humbly suggest that you fall out of this mindset that only a few Muslims support radical Islam. If you decide not to, you're only fooling yourself.
Muslims in America thus far haven't violently taken to the streets, because they know that they would be taken apart. However, in Europe, where they were dumb enough to allow mass Muslim immigration, the story is much different.
Listen to what myself and others tell you Cyrus, and you'll be much better off for it.
Respectfully,
DC
Islam is the enemy.
Every Wahabbe mosque should be bulldozed.
Muslims MUST be profiled.
The Saudis should be removed.
(and I'm a moderate, and I dont CAIR).
"Jihad was waged to fight against injustice and not to kill innocents".
Of course as a muslim you never specify who the innocents are and if any do die then it is purely accidential ..."collectral damage" if you will.
When you have convinced the muslim that this is not the case ....you have won.
Getting the Infedel West to correlate Islam & terrorism...tch tch...did I not tell you the other day .....to much analysis...think with your faith....analysis is for the Kaffur...Muslims don't do analysis....only Allah's work.
Stating the obvious doesn't help.
C'mon, Naseem. We non-Muslims (wish you would use that term instead of infidels, which may also include "apostate" Muslims) are damned by Muslims whatever we do, whether it's analyzing what makes jihaddists tick or simply doing it in the name of preserving our own faiths.
Infidels can never be innocent. By our refusal to submit to allah we have committed the worst offense. This is what no islamic conference will ever state in plain language...infidels are to be killed or subjugated only because we reject islam.
Qur’an 9:71 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Qur’an 4:168 “Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.”
Cyrus
Muslims are told by hundreds of verses in the Koran, Sira and ahadith to wage Jihad against infidels, and terrorism is amethod chosen by Muslims to wage Jihad against infidels. Get it!
Naseem, I also wonder about the injustice part as well, it could mean anything.
If they could lighten up on the injustice side of things it would be a much better world, take Israel as an example, why can't they let the Israeli's live in peace in Israel, it was an injustice that the Jewish people were forced from their country by the Romans. Its only a small area of land, its so damn stupid, but its because Islam has to dominate, and I don't mean your sect in that.
As if those Islamorons would come to any other conclusion.
This muslim whining is as the mewling of cats. Jesus, I am tired of it. Can the Health Department handle this problem?
May the deportations begin. Soon.
No muslims. No mosques.
This constant bull about islam being a religion of peace and tolerance always reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode called "To Serve Man". The story is that a group of space aliens arrives on Earth and befriends the population. They are kind and gentle, and some carry a book titled "To Serve Man". The aliens talk at length about how they want to serve man, and that they will help man be free of all ills and problems. They convince a number of them to return with them to their own planet. As the Earthlings are boarding, one of them sees a copy of the book and opens it up. He is horrified to discover that the book "To Serve Man" is really a cookbook.
Doo-dah doo-dah doo-dah.
Naseem,
Your comments do not corroborate the "tolerant nature" of Islam..infact, it just clarifies that once again, derogatory terms like "infidels" or "kaffirs" are released under the cloak of Islam. Tell me, how much convincing does a Muslim need from an "infidel" to show that he/she is indeed innocent. According to most Muslims, every person who doesn't believe in Allah is guilty as hell and must be converted or punished. If indeed we "kaffirs" have to prove our innocence, explain me how virtuous your culture has been?
Tell me how your prophet could engage in paedophilic desires with a 9 year old, and yet you view the showing of skin to be evil (so much so that oral sex is prohibited in your culture)?
Tell me why nations like India have seen pillage and plunder under the reign of Ghazni, Nadir Shah, Aurangazeb, Allauddin Khilji, and its countless Hyderabadi Nawabs, if indeed your religion spreads peace?
Tell me why people of your religion tend to favor religious zeal over patriotism and humanity?
Tell me why your people promote "Jihad" when you have the upper hand, and turn your face around shamelessly and promote your religion as peaceful when you are down and under (like in the USA)?
There is no "faith", Mr/Ms.Naseem, only "logically plausible outcomes". I am not religious, but I believe in the vicious and conversely, the benevolent nature of "karma". If you are the shunned and dispised sect of people today, you are obviously reaping the seeds you have sown since the inception of your faith.
Helox,
India is lost cause. Indians have been brainwashed into belive Islamic taquiyya by their communist controled education boards. Indians simply dont have capacity to fight Islam.
Judging by his comments, Cyrus is a almost entirley disaffected Muslim from Iran. But it is that "almost" that prevents him from comlete clarity, that makes him believe, for example, that the overthrow of weepy Mossadegh in 1953 is the fons et origo of Iran's troubles. Surely he knows that Bakhtair and the others in the democratic left in Iran, who worshipped the memory of Mossadegh (Bakhtiar himself used to make an annual pilgrimage to his grave) convinced themselves that they should make common cause with Khomeini against the corrupt rule of the Shah and his courtiers. They did. And for their pains they were hunted down and killed -- Bakhtiar (who had been in the French Resistance) was stabbed to death (with one of his guards) in his Paris exile.
Everyplace that Islam conquered it left that place (with the single possible exception of Visigothic Spain, which says much about the Visigoths) poorer -- poorer culturally, poorer artistically, poorer economically, poorer culturally. Try to imagine what Iran would have been like, had the Arabs not invaded and conquered, bearing the poisoned chalice labelled Islam.
Another "inconsistency"...
"Maulana Azami said Islam was a religion of peace and it taught tolerance, good inter-religious ties, absolute freedom of expression and respect for sentiments of others."
Of course, there is some difficulty in getting up-to-date corroborative evidence on this from Iran and Saudi Arabia. Maybe if more Muslims showed up for Bingo Night at the Mecca Parish Hall this could be confirmed.
What's needed is some real-time, face-to-face, in-yer-face rebuttal to assertions such as Mr. Azami's. If the main stream media aren't interested in performing this function, it doesn't mean that it's not worth doing. The price of freedom is eternal vigilanc.
Hugh wrote: "...that makes him believe, for example, that the overthrow of weepy Mossadegh in 1953 is the fons et origo of Iran's troubles."
Where have you read that, I believe Iran's troubles are because of the overthrow of mossadegh??? Tell me man?? You don't seem to understand your own language ENGLISH!!!! What I wrote was about the persian people in Iran, how they feel and see upon things!
I have written this before: I believe that Irans misfortune is mostly because of its greedy and ignorant leaders. Although not only!
I mean yes the brittish stole oil of us but shouldn't OUR leader stopped them? Yes but he didn't so it's his fault. But still you can not claim that the brittish wasn't comitting a crime. They were fucking stealing!
And when the Americans overthrew mossadegh it was the Persian military who helped America to take control, they were paid, so it's the military to blame nevertheless America did pay them to do such a thing!
dcwatson wrote:Were you aware that the Islamic world is 62 percent illiterate.
Which I do not deny, now does this maybe explain to the american people that they are killing innocent people????People that are kept away from information, from knowledge!!!
''Extremism is a worldwide phenomenon. It is not confined to any particular region or religion. Any attempt to link it with Islam would create civilization conflict,''
decoding.."..create civilizational conflict."
translation; "..stop peeking under our veil or
there will be world war..."
"the brittish stole oil of us."
-- from a posting above
How exactly did the Anglo-Persian Oil Company "steal oil"? Suppose the British and Americans had never come to the Middle East, never discovered, never drilled, never produced, never found a use for, never bought, that oil -- what then, of Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest?
Did the British who admittedly had a monopoly in Iran, and no doubt the quality of Iranian leadership, as of the political class as a whole then and now, left a good deal to be desired (now far more than then), buy oil at below-market prices? When? At what price? And what was at the time the market price in Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait, or anywhere else in the world?
"What I wrote was about the persian people in Iran, how they feel and see upon things!"
-- from the posting above
Iranians differ as to sense and intelligence. Ali Sina is from Iran, and he to me makes perfect sense. Many Iranians, even those in exile, unless they have jettisoned Islam altogether, still retain that general conspiratorial world-view, that ineradicable (apparently) hint of craziness that makes conversation with them, as they suddenly blurt out some hysterical obervation, and you realize with a pang that you were wrong, your interlocutor does not exist on the same intellectual planet as you do, and you best not make the same mistake again with him, so difficult.
As far as the view from Iran, "how they feel and see upon things," as far as most of them go, why should I pay attention, or care, about the veiw of people who are full of such conspiracy theories, full of crazed ideas that show they have been affected by Islam in the way that some refugees from Soviet Communism in the end showed that they too had internalized some of the categories and ways of thought that the Soviet Union encouraged -- why should I care "how they fell and see upon things" if how they feel and see upon things is malevolent, or crazy, or illogical, or devoid of common sense -- or worse?
I don't.
Islam declared war on the world when it created the three "houses", daral-harb/house of war, dar al-zul/house of truce, and dar al-islam/house of submission. By Islam's own definitions anyone not under submission to Islam is automatically in the house of war unless Muslims place them in the house of truce until Islam is strong enough to war against them and conquer them. Under Islam no one or no country is "innocent" since all are at war with Islam.
behemond_1069 wrote: "...full of such conspiracy theories"
Why is the shit I say conspiracy theories and the shit ya'll say fact or the truth???
isn't that funny!
When has the USA ever bombed another country for no reason? Explain please...with links.
The press release from this conference is a textbook case of denial, but read it too for the dual motivations behind it. One is obvious - the attendees certainly want their supporters to see them as protecting the ideology and shared worldview. The other is that it is designed for consumption by Muslims with whom they are obviously trying to solicit political favor. Would anyone expect a press release from a big conference held by either moveon.org or the Christian Coalition to be any different in their tactics? Of course, what makes it so dangerous here is that it feeds the malignant jihadist death cult within Islam that they need to be working towards ending.
Cyrus is attempting to equate illiteracy with innocence. Sorry sir but your logic is fatally flawed. Mohamed was illiterate but by any logical standard, this mass murdering psychotic pedophile was not innocent. One could even say he was EVIL! It would be better to state that illiteracy equates to ignorance.
And your attempt to use the innocent defense to denounce America's aggression is also flawed. We are killing the jihadis because they are seeking to do us harm. Smart, ignorant, black, white, or brown, we are going to continue to kill them because they are EVIL people.
If your "innocent" is referring to the killing of bystanders that get caught in-between the jihadis and the Americans, then you need to blame the jihadis for they have broken a cardinal rule in war called SANCTUARY.
Sanctuary explained.
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html
Cyrus, because they are illiterate doesn't mean they aren't violent. And, where you get "innocent" out of all this I'm having some difficulty with.
9/11/2001, that's when innocent people died and it has yet to be fully avenged.
"Why is the shit I say conspiracy theories and the shit ya'll say fact or the truth??? isn't that funny!"
Utterly hilarious (sarcasm - get it?).
The moment INNOCENT people were murdered in this country (USA), Muslims who "justify" the murder of innocent "infidels" had no right to a fair voice. EVER. Ignorant muslims are as accountable as the educated ones and thus are fair targets for everything from harsh inquiry to smart bombs. Come to think of it, intelligence has nothing to do with this struggle as smart Muslims kill just as many innocents as the stupid ones to. Why? Islam is to blame. Not intelligence, not culture, not nationality, nothing but Islam is to blame.
Certain Muslims keep quoting their profound love of death and martyrdom from a book we are learning quite well of. It's not hard to link Islams lame justifications for murder...it's in the Qu'ran. Cyrus, you should read it once and a while (more sarcastic humor).
Ultimately, who cares what the Palestinians want anymore. They can't run their own civilization because, well, they raise their children to murder as many infidels as they can. They have no concept of peace simply because the Qu'ran cannot establish it for longer than a few years.
Muslims in the west are becoming more rootless and alienated for some pretty obvious reasons. Their fellow "brothers" and "sisters" are just drooling for the chance to murder in the name of Allah and no one want's to be standing around a Muslim when a nailbomb goes off. There's very little reason to extend a civil hand to Muslims on these grounds.
After all, "Extremism is a worldwide phenomenon. It is not confined to any particular region or religion (bullshit - not trying to be funny). Any attempt to link it with Islam would create civilization conflict"...hmmmm. Hate to break it to you folks but - we are at war with Islam.
I have yet to see the Amish start whipping deadly woodwork bombs or Jehovahs witnesses cutting off heads with all those pamphlets.
My guess is that these terrorists are Muslim following the precise and perfectly literal word of the Qu'ran. Islam is at fault and this world does have a serious civilizational conflict on it's hands. There's no open inquiry into the text of the Qu'ran as there is with the Old Testament and New Testament.
If the US military were truly terroristic, we'd be bombing, shooting and burning every living thing in sight. Every crowd, assembly or protest would be vaporized and every structure would be leveled using everything we've got to hammer the Iraqis into the bloody sand...but we don't. In fact, once we're done, the Iraqis are going to hoist their own flag and continue to rule their own land. Just like the Japanese and west Germans, and Koreans and Vietnamese etc.etc.etc.
The only terrorists seen today happen to be Muslim by a VAST number. The only ones intentionally murdering innocent people are Muslim. The only culprit is Islam. The link between the two is blood red.
Islam is guilty as charged and anything they say to cover up the failings of this crippled faith is just another lie, another attempt to control and another attempt to murder.
Cyrus: What do you make of the Tudeh and its willingness to detach southern Azerbaijan and Kordestan to benefit Stalin's Russia?
Cyrus, "behemond_1069 wrote: "...full of such conspiracy theories" Huh? Not in this thread. That isn't even remotly close to what I said. I believe you have me confused with someone else.
Bohemond
Cyrus, the irate Mohammedan poster, insists that, while defending his faith in the usual irrational way, he is not a follower of Mohammeds cult.
He is not the first to come on the scene to lie about not being of the Mohammedan faith, and he is most likely not the last.
The lies, the conspiracy theories, the outrageous nonsense and the 'accuse the accuser-tactic', along with the usual kitman and taqqiya, that so easily discredits the sons of Allah when they post here, or when they engage in any discussion with a rational mind, are rather revealing.
While familiar to those on JW/DW and LGF etc., most infidels, those who are not familiar with such bizarre reasoning, would be flabbergasted -and should rightly feel insulted- that such rubbish and baseless drivel is thrown at them.
Yet there are many among us going to any length to find fault with our 'colonial past', with us 'exploiting them' etc. which leads to the collective insanity that is now called 'political correctness' in the West.
Yeah. And the cow jumped over the moon while the dish ran away with the spoon.
History is not on this moronic 'cleric's' side--WHATEVER HE SAYS. As we have said many times on this website, NEVER LISTEN TO ANYTHING A PRACTICING MUSLIM SAYS TO NON-MUSLIMS. Practicing Muslims cannot and WILL NOT tell you the truth, per commands emanating from the text of the Qur'an itself! Sorry, but it's true.
This man's (or "cleric" --we use the term loosely and would prefer NOT to use it all really) exercise in Al-taqqiya seems to be the result I suspect of a massive delusory attack located somewhere im the cerebral cortex, brought on by an over-indulgence of smoking camel poop.
A quote from the Qur'an: "And when the sacred months have passed, slay the infidels everywhere they are found, besiege them, capture them, prepare for them every stratagem of warfare."
This passage is PURE terrorist fodder. Read it yourselves all who doubt me. It's IN THERE!!!!!!
Now I get it. It's fundamentalism, not Islam.
Guess that explains all those Southern Baptist, Evangelical, and Hassidic suicide bombers.
So it's the "West" again, saying bad things about innocent Islam. I can't imagine why we consistently badmouth these poor, peaceful people when we should be doing so much more, like deporting them from our countries en masse, arresting rabid clerics who recruit jihadists; shutting down their vile, hate-mongering schools and mosques, and imposing a moratorium on muslim immigration.
We're far too kind to Islam and muslims. They do absolutely nothing to make our lives better, and hundreds of things to make our lives miserable. What are they good for? I can't think of a single thing.
Do they not recognize that they are "extremist in their blame" of the west?
Hypocritical
Where are they getting their current events? Did they already realize that we are experiencing "civilization conflict"?
Any country or religion in the world that is "civilized" is in "conflict" with Islam.
I am as equally concerned about the damage that Islamic people can do individually by changing laws and having our civil rights removed as I am about extremists.
With the extremist, I recognize him with a explosive belt around his waist.
As equally scarey is the muslim that appears to be moderate and quite, but writes a check or votes to support the extremist, all the while, saying "don't link me with the guy with the belt. He is the bad guy."
They are both extremists. This is the same philosophy they use against us,....that we are all bad, we are all to blame, we are all to change.
I am tired of them starting something and then when they kind of wake up the western giant, they get nervous and want to put the giant back to sleep. And sadly enough the giant is starting to doze.
`My argument is that if you analyse the history of various riots that have taken place in India since 1960 or so, you will find that there has probably been no single riot in which less than 90% of those killed have been Muslims`
http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-sikand261104.htm
At least the hindus know how to put the mossies in their place.
Latecomer to this thread.
naseem said, "Getting the Infedel West to correlate Islam & terrorism...tch tch...did I not tell you the other day .....to much analysis...think with your faith....analysis is for the Kaffur...Muslims don't do analysis....only Allah's work."
She is correct. Muslims do NOT do analysis.
Ridiculous example:
Questioner (Q) to Illiterate Muslim (IM):
"How do airplanes stay in the air?"
IM: "Allah's will."
Q: "Why did that airplane crash?"
IM: "Allah's will."
Amusing example:
Recruiter of suicide bomber: "Here. Take this bomb. Go to a crowded place and explode it to kill as many people as you can."
Prospective suicide bomber: "Why?"
RoSB: "For Jihad. For the glory of Allah."
PSB, after analysis: "What? Are you crazy? That's certain death. You feel that strongly about it? YOU take the bomb."
Oh, wait. Never mind. That apparently does not happen often enough.
Tragic example:
Muslim father to son: "Your sister has disgraced the family for (fill in the blank here). She must be killed to satisfy the family honor."
Son: "OK."
Western analysis about this: It is strange that sons are never the victim of an honor killing.
jay
leavingheleft..... countercurrents is a classic textbook example of Comunist brainwashing of Hindus.
leavingheleft..... countercurrents is a classic textbook example of Comunist brainwashing of Hindus.
leavingheleft..... countercurrents is a classic textbook example of Comunist brainwashing of Hindus.
leavingheleft..... countercurrents is a classic textbook example of Comunist brainwashing of Hindus.
omg sorry...somethings horribly wrong with my browser
Dhimmi Indians allowing such a conference on their soil!
helox at October 4, 2005 11:13 AM
How come? Is India under the Islamic Shariah? India is a fully democratic country with real multiparty democracy in contrast to the pseudo democracy that is practiced in USA. No Indian is a dhimmi. Let us hope that democratic people are not denigrated any more.
I am an Indian; yes, I am a Muslim too.
Vikrant_Camberleykar:
O i din`t know that about `Comunist brainwashing of Hindus`. One funny thing about the Indian Communist Party is that their chief is a singh with turban and all.
Anyway, the post from that survey was to illustrate that at least the hindu of today will stand up and not like that idiot Gandhi`s time. (he`s often referred to unaffectionately as `gandoo`).
What the hindus do to maintain the peace will not be found in Southall or Brixton.
Damn man, you people are sooo full of hate but then you claim that you're searching for peace.
I hoenstly don't give a fuck if Islam is a good or bad, nice or evil, or whateverthe fuck ever. What I care about is the innocent people dying, and as you all know most of them ARE Muslims, children, wemon, poor, not evil, and illiterate. If they would be given a chance they might not have been muslims. But fuck it, why should America give them a chance, righ? The people that killed 3000 (9-11) they look like these wemon and children, so why not kill them all, right?? They killed 3000 and we'll just kill 3million because we are americans we are worth more than anybody on this planet. And when we kill we do it for the good, but they do it to be evil!!!!!
Man and the guy that said "america has not bombed anybody for no reason" is an asshole. You know my answer to that?: I don't know a terrorist that has bombed anybody for no reason either? Of course you can find reasons, but you should try to be logical and rational.! And think of the Aftermath!!!
For instance the people in Palestine they do not kill for their holy war shit, they might say it in your televisions. But it's mostly to free their country. The West gave that country to the Israelis,(and the israelis do kill alot of palestines, the soldiers rape and beat the palestine wemon and children)so of course the Palestines will bomb them in return,since they don't have guns and tanks they have to bomb themselves in order to kill the enemy, their enemey. They just want to break free.
And as for america 9,11, shit you had yourself to blame. You mean to tell me that CIA didn't know that that "incident" was about to happen with all the money you people pay them to keep survaillence on Osama BIn Laden, you shouldn't forget that everyone that is out to kill you, America made them! Manufactered them, gave them money, gave them weapons, gave them intelligence. And what happened suddently the terrorists got smarter and america dumber? I doubt it!. America knew about 9,11 but it was a perfect way to start a WAR. And the reason I say this is because your government chose to attack Iraq, that's the reason I'm mad, if it would've attacked Saudi Arabia, I'd be quite! or maybe not!
Cyrus, again, in case you missed it before "behemond_1069 wrote: "...full of such conspiracy theories" Huh? Not in this thread. That isn't even remotely close to what I said. I believe you have me confused with someone else.
Bohemond
Damn man, you people are sooo full of hate but then you claim that you're searching for peace.
Tut tut. I`m not caucasian. But Islam is full of hate and evil.
Someday the poster of tyhat will know what hate is.
Do followers of the religion of peace foam at the mouth and spout conspiratist wild theories and inaccurate assertians ?
"No Indian is a dhimmi."
-- from a posting above, by a self-identified Indian Muslim.
Not now -- not since Muslim rule was overthrown by the British, who allowed Indians to rediscover their own pre-Islamic heritage, crushed by the Muslim conquerors. Akbar, the syncretistic Akbar, who treated Hindus with as much decency as he could under the circumstances, is as a result honored by Hindus, and despised by Muslims. They prefer Aurangzeb, and those like him -- the real Muslims, the ones who murdered 60-70 million Hindus, enslaved or exploited the rest (just read Ibn Battuta's Rihla, and see how calmly he describes those Hindu slaves passed around like party-favors).
If one is a "Muslim in India" that means at some point, in the past, your Hindu ancestors, not able to withstand the cruelties of the Muslim rulers, succumbed and, as others did, converted (oops, "reverted") to Islam. Why not look into what made them and others into Muslims?
For that matter why not compare the sympathetic interest in, and rediscovery of, the past of India, Hindu India, despised and rejected by the Muslims, recovered by "Oriental" Jones (Sir William Jones) and others who helped India, a wounded civilization in Naipual's phrase, recover something, even much, of its own past.
Everywhere Muslims rule, non-Muslims suffer. There is not a Muslim-ruled country today, ruled that is by real Muslims, not "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslims as in a few of the Central Asian stans, in which non-Muslims have full legal and social equality. Not one.
That is how it would be in India, where even today many of the more educated Hindus, having forgotten or never learned their own history, just like many non-Muslims in Europe, underestmate the malevolence and menace of Muslims. Of course, wherever Muslims exist or must co-exist with a powerful non-Muslim group, they are likely, as the Muslims in both India and Lebanon demonostrate, a certain outward aspect of greater tolerance and a more plausible pitch.
Why? Because they have had to learn to exhibit such an outward aspect. They have had, despite what is in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, to adjust, to make do -- for now.
But that does not stop them from lying about the nature of Islam. It does not stop them from overbreeding (look at how the non-Muslim population of Pakistan and Bangladesh has gone down, while in India the percentage of Muslims in the population steadily rises).
Oh, one can deal with the non-Muslim Muslims of the Merchant (Ivory-Merchant) Shakespeare-Wallah variety. But one cannot stand the way in which people, of Hindu background, save for the brilliantly iconoclastic few, such as V. S. Naipaul, rush to demonstrate that they are not affected by "communialism" which is a code word for those silly BJP or Hindutva people we are all supposed to deplore.
I don't deplore them. I think they understand, even if they do not always properly express, what Islam meant for India and for Hindus. Nothing good.
How can you stop a peaceful conference where people are just talking(deception or not, who knows)?
KKK:
No wonder Vajpayee is dubbed as "Hajjpayee" for his benevolence towards Muslims.
It was not Vajpayee but J.Lal Nehru of the Congress party who started the Hajj thingy.
Vikrant:
Things have changed in India since you shipped out. Just y'day you were commenting that Indians along with coupla others are the only people in the world hacking for their country. Now this. Please, be fair.
leavingtheleft:
Indian Communist Party is that their chief is a singh with turban
Sardar Harkishan Singh Surjeet.
Indian Communist Party is that their chief is a singh with turban
He has been replaced by Prakash Karat but their shitty policies remain the same.
No Singh... i know how passionate Indians are when it comes to Pakistan. But i doubt whether Hindus/Sikhs have balls to tackle the Muslim threat from within.
That buffon, Prakash Karat is hellbent on bringing down Indias foreign policy.
In UP and Bihar it is the Muslims who are political kingmakers.
20 million illegal Bangaldeshis... Abt 30% of Assams population is now made up of Bengali Muslims.
Does average Indian care abt this? No. Indians are too self-centered and myopic to learn from the past and act. Islam ripped India apart once, and it will do so again.
Bohemond_1069: Sorry I know, I think it was hugh who wrote that...
>...why should America give them a chance, righ?...
As someoene else eloquently pointed out (but it bears repeating), if the US were so intent on this imagined campaign of indiscriminate murder, dont you imagine that it would all have been over, long before now?
If the US army werent so intent on minimizing civilian casualities, all those poor illiterate kids get c4 strapped to them in the hope of going to the great bordello in the sky, would never get further than the radioactive dustbowl that was made of their hellhole
>...they have to bomb themselves in order to kill the enemy
Yes, those people drinking coffee in cafes in tel aviv are really stubborn enemies, arent they? And dont even get me started on thus commuters on busses...
>... that CIA didn't know that that "incident" was about to happen
Well, I think the failing of the US's internal security in this regard is pretty well documented - but the point is? Oh, I see...
>...a perfect way to start a war.
No, a much better way to start a war would just have been to fly some B-52s over those camps, nice and high, and carpet bomb them - and again, and again for as long as was necessary.
This is one of many problems with these lunatic mohammedan conspiracy theories - the outcome that we have is just so far from what the outcome of the given conspiracy should be, given that, when all is said and done, its the yanks that have all the big guns.
Cyrus, no problem, just want to set the record straight. I don't want you to get blamed or ridiculed for making false statements.
"India is lost cause. Indians have been brainwashed into believe Islamic taquiyya by their communist controlled education boards. Indians simply don’t have capacity to fight Islam.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 4, 2005 02:04 PM"
Agree with you completely and whole heartedly that India is a lost cause. They have not only surrendered but have completely lost any desire to resist. And it is not that they just won’t fight but sadly they will reject any offer of outside help to fight Islamists. The reason is not that many Indians believe in Islamic Taquiyya but real cause is the state of politics and the demographics of India. Just read this line from the article.
“Pandit N K Sharma, who served as political advisor to Narsimha Rao during his tenure as Prime Minister also spoke on this occasion.”
This man is Hindu and he was the advisor to Prime Minister and his party is in power today. Why did he need to attend this Islamist meeting? Answer is appeasement in order to get votes. Muslims who make about 14% of India’s population but vote as a single block and en mass. Under India’s system of politics this is huge advantage to party getting those votes. Not only that but in many parts of country, a far greater percentage of Muslim concentration has meant that in those states no one can win election without Muslim support.
India’s situation is an interesting study from demographic perspective of democratic nations. When we talk of Europe, we tend to count years till Muslim become majority in those states but if India is believed as an example, decline of many European nations will start soon and long before Muslims population reach any where close to majority in those countries. Frightening thought indeed.
Cyrus - I have met an ex Iranian regional Politician, who I might add was an ex Muslim in that country.
On just about every point you make about Islam, he would probably disagree with you. This man was/is an expert in Islam, he was in charge of everything in his area from the local services down to the local Jihadi training at the local Mosque.
He holds doctarates in philosophy, was trained in communism - saw how pathetic the Left was, and returned to Islam under the current Irainian government, and he is no idiot. He is VERY academic and intelligent.
He is now also a very happy Christian, who goes around showing all who will listen, what Iran really is like under the rule of Islam, and what it has done to his once great Persian (not Islamic) country. The photo's of him being a "peace loving" Muslim training with his family and others and the trusty Ak47 to kill infidels - filled with hate are very interesting.
Especially when you compare those photo's to him now, a happy man.
If only you could meet him, but I almost suspect you are nothing more than a wolf in sheeps clothing, especially with your blind venom for the West.
"India is lost cause. Indians have been brainwashed into believe Islamic taquiyya by their communist controlled education boards. Indians simply don’t have capacity to fight Islam.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 4, 2005 02:04 PM"
That may be so. And yet there are muslims who leave islam. I know of a village where 2 extended families of about 70 persons have left islam.
Further, when the oil money was hot the saudis were pouring money into India converting tribals and hindus to islam. That was around the `80s.
Then the money dried up, the RSS etc. moved in and began reconverting the converts-which is one reason some indian states have banned conversions - brinery.
I personally think that India could well be the last bastion against Islam. The following is an interesting read:
`As I researched for this article, I realized that there were many unsung heroes in the history who bravely confronted the attackers. Their stories are forgotten because Indians never developed the habit of writing down history. They relied on their memory to remember events (just as the Vedas had been memorized for generations). But this was regretful, as history shows that the Hindus eventually forgot their history and made the mistake of repeating it, often committing the same mistakes over and over again. This folly was exploited fully by the invading Muslims as well the British at a later date.`
http://www.boloji.com/history/002.htm
sorry for the typos.. pathetic really.
BTW leavingtheleft are u British?
Vikrant: Consider myself a citizen of the world but do not have Beitish citizenship.
But did I give the impression?