I am going to be "out of pocket" until November 23, starting today. I will look in here when I can, but I am not sure that I will be able to post daily.
The site, however, will go on as always. The Jihad Watch News Editors will be posting here, including a new addition, Anne Crockett.
The director@jihadwatch.org email will still be read, although not solely by me, and possibly not by me at all. So if you send me a personal email, I may not see it for awhile. But please continue to send news links to that address.
By the way, I get many hundreds of messages daily to that address, so I apologize to all whose messages I have overlooked; as Charles Johnson said of himself a while ago, my email situation has gotten so far out of control that it's scaring the neighbors. However, I am grateful for all the news links that all of you send in.
Upon return to full-time Jihad Watching I may have a few stories to tell.
UPDATE: Hugh says "out of pocket" means broke. I say no, that it means "out of reach" -- which is what I meant (support for that usage here). What do you think?
Watch your back! And watch out for pie-throwers.
Out of pocket means not broke, exactly, but showing a loss on a deal. Spending more than intended because the project was more complicated than envisaged.
Pocket sized meanwhile is something in a small and dainty version. Like Kylie Minogue.
Someone who has deep pockets is a mean skinflint.
His hands do not reach his money in the bottom of his pocket.
And as for Lucy Locket who lost her pocket. Lets not go there.
Good luck with your activities.
Out of pocket does mean broke. I thought you were going to be asking for donations :)
In your case it means far far away from the maddening Jihad. Take a well deserved vacation
out-of-pock·et (out'əv-pŏk'ĭt)
adj.
Calling for the spending of cash: out-of-pocket expenses.
Lacking funds: hungry, cold, and out-of-pocket travelers.
In my circles, RS's usage is correct. What Granny Weatherwax defines as "out of pocket" is usually termed "out of hide," that is, not provisioned for separately, whether or not unplanned.
Enjoy your well-deserved (what I hope is a) vacation.
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Yeah, Gary. Liberals throw pies. And conservatives like Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh throw....
Maybe Robert is going to Saudi Arabia dressed in burqa.
A real undercover expose!
Welcome back, kj! *g*
McVeigh-Islamic connection:
http://www.middleeast.org/forum/fb-public/1/4320.shtml
McVeigh represents us, NOT.
And you know it.
Based on the briefest of exchanges, Robert quoted me above as suggesting that "out of pocket" did not mean "out of reach" but rather "broke." I should have added, but it has already been noted above (I remember seeing Kylie Minogue when she showed up at the Dibley fair), that "out of pocket" is seldom used alone. The adjectival use -- "out-of-pocket" expenses -- is the most commmon, and self-explanatory; the other common use is with a sum specific: "I was out-of-pocket such-an-such an amount" meaning I lost, I am down, that amount. But used as Robert (h)as* chosen to use it, not adjectivally and stripped of any phrase that might suggest a sum that you have lost, as a way of avoiding continued uncertainty, whether settling a score or scoring a point, I'm inclined to go for broke.
* The (h) is the rough breathing sign here, necessitated by the desire both to correct, and to stand, as the posting just below would have it -- corrected.
At long last - a silly thread.
If I put my two penn'orth into the out of pocket debate, it will rather defeat the object.
used as Robert as chosen to use it
Oh dear, bang go Hugh's 'aspirations' to a job as a Radio 3 announcer. Almost Cockney, that one ('ay is for 'orses etc).
Kylie Minogue may be a pocket venus, but I don't see Hugh as a Cockney 'alf pint.
Robert and Hugh are both correct, it seems to me. Out of pocket, in Robert's usage, refers to our pocket, not his. We will temporarily be without his wisdom and tutelage (and bravery), and so it is our temporary loss. Wherever you are headed, be safe, Robert.
I doubt "out of pocket" in its intended use is quite known in Europe (sans England/UK). I tend to be one of the more closely acquainted Dutch people with English and this was my first occurence of the phrase.
Granny - don't know about that. Robert and Hugh could run a whelk stall together. The patter, the rhyming slang, the glottal stops. They'd be quids in.
Were you born in the sound of Bow Bells?
All the aitches that were dropped by Cockneys found their way up to Cheshire, and were hadded to words that didn't need them by haspirational people trying to sound hawfully posh. Never worked, though.
Good luck and God bless!
Hope you receive encouragement, inspiration and strength I can truly say that you have been that for many of us who form the JW community.
I for one am grateful for all the contributions of all the contributers to this site, we all should do our part in the this great struggle of our time!
Inform the world about the dangers of the Islamic's world Jihad.
Strengthen our native cultures be it in Spain... or France... or India... or Thailand, where ever the danger of Muslims conquest and expansion presents it's self.
Robert, thank you again for you fair, truthful and erudite work on the mature of Islam and the lifting the fog of Ignorance for many.
My ancestors come from the part of Spain that lived in the false and mythical Al-andalus, and fought for the liberation of Valencia from centuries of Muslim domination. Just like my grandfather's hero El Cid Campiador you lead with the truth.
Yours truly, El Cid Campiador
Chief Robert, Wish you a well deserved,restful break from this maddening world. As someone suggested,dont ever enter Saudi under the guise of a parda . Some sex-starving mulla may rape you!! By the way ,the expression like "out of pocket" will give your opponants joy ,thinking that the jihad watch has broken down .(God forbid)
Robert:
Do I dare to suggest the carrying of a labtop with Verizon wirelees technology, the likes of which Matt Drudge carries with him everywhere?
NO!!-- I didn't think so----
LAUS DEOS--and---HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Robert,
Thanks for being so patient when I've sent you things you've posted or old news. I really want to help you in your important work, but I've made so many gaffes I feel stupid.
Keep up the good fight.
"Out of pocket", I use it the same way RS did.
'UPDATE: Hugh says "out of pocket" means broke. I say no, that it means "out of reach" -- which is what I meant (support for that usage here). What do you think?' JW
I'd say that means you Definitely are not being paid off by the US Gov (ie, neo-cons), the Mossad, or anyone else.
The Leftist Moonbats will just have to take you off their conspiracy chart :P
Had Cleopatra been born within the sound of Bow Bells (and she may have been, for all I know) Shakespeare would have had to show her with her hasp unpolicied -- which is not the way to preserve A Chaste Maid of Cheapside.
Errr. Considering that the Ptolemys tended towards in-breeding... she was chaste? By whom?
Robert and Hugh are both correct. I knew what Robert was saying because he was invoking the element of time. In Hugh's definition, the speaker and listener must understand that money rather than time is being referred to.
When considering the phrase "time is money," we can see that perhaps Robert and Hugh are describing the same elephant from different perspectives.
If we can't all agree on the meaning of out of pocket, how are we ever going to defeat the Jihadists?
"Out of pocket:" def. A young kangaroo's first foray away from home.
Hugh and Robert: Actually, out of pocket means you pay your own way. For example, when I worked for Uncle Sam, we sometimes got reimbursed for out of pocket expenses (provided we showed receipts).
In 'ampshire, 'ertford and 'erefordshire
'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen.
An' as for mai dipthongs.....
"she was chaste? By whom?"
-- from a posting above
Antony, for one. A past master of paraleipsis, and at kissing the hand that kings had lipped, in order to get to her he bestrode the world like a colossus, and drank the stale of horses. Or was that the other one?
I'm still learning to speak English. Poor pitiful me that I encounter Dickens, The Pickwick Papers:
"It's Veller, vith a wee."
And the Americans! Tomah-toes or tomae-toes?
Good luck on your undisclosed assignment - whatever it may be, so long as nobody gets hurt.
P.S. Under no circumstances buy life insurance as adviced by whatshisname. Bad Advice.
Good Advice:
Do not disclose your undisclosed location.
Do not apply for anything that requires giving up your undisclosed location.
Do not live "blue states". Stay in heavily Christian and small town places, like Texas, Kentucky, ect...
Never shop online. You can be traced via your delivery address.
Do not register marriage/divorce/ect...
Tiny a$$ cow towns in Texas that nobody visits and has no major infrastructure and government presence is probably the best place to live when in hiding. They are completely disconnected from the outside world and make PERFECT hiding spots.
...drank the stale of horses.
Wasn't that Catherine the Great? One of the many great Katherines.
An' as for mai dipthongs....
Cleopatra wore a monoph-thong. Played havoc with her asp.
And the Americans! Tomah-toes or tomae-toes?
Neither.
Shame I've got to go out - I could happily do this kind of thing all evening.
Oh, okay Gary. Then answer me this, who made this quote, Ronald Reagan or Timothy McVeigh:
"The federal government is the problem."
And Gary, are you willing to say now that Eric Rudolph isn't conservative? If not, then why did he target homosexual bars and abortion clinics?
Gary, is Bob Jones conservative?
Gary, is any bad person conservative?
Gary sez: Nope.
It's that simple, folks. Good = conservative and bad = liberal.
Meanwhile, Gary STILL CAN'T respond to:
Bush is handing our tax dollars to "faith-based" Muslim "charities" who are sure to use it for Dawa and jihad. And he is the first president to do so.
Nariz, Gaiour, King Tolerance, any other rational people, just remember how to shut Gary's pie hole. Ask him to respond to the above FACT.
Or, remind him that only last week Vacation King bragged that for the FIRST time, the Koran is part of the White House library. Or remind him that Bush is the first president to kiss and hold hands with the King of Sodomy Arabia. (Note to Gary: when Hilary kissed Arafat's prop wife, it was well before 9-11. Get back with me if she does it again.)
Cleopatra wore a monoph-thong. Played havoc with her asp.
Thanks for the laugh, interested. :)
Gary, is any bad person conservative?
Gary sez: Nope.
LIAR. You want to make such a claim, quote me.
With links.
KJ:
I'll answer your question.
On the issue of providing money to Muslim charities, the President is wrong--but prudent. The Imperial Jihad will have to advance a bit further before America is willing to take the hard, ugly step of removing Islam from the category "religion." The Republic is large and doesn't turn on a dime, but turn it will, and when it does, the Jihadists will look like Wile E. Coyote on the way to the canyon floor.
Now, perhaps you'd care to answer a few of these questions, or direct me to a thread where you have.
Meep, meep!
Mad Jack
The poster just above, and other admirers of the celebrated cartoon, may wish to read "Acme v. Coyote" by Ian Frazier, which appeared more than a decade ago in "The New Yorker," and was republished in one of Frazier's books. It is very good, but to fully appreciate the travails of Canis latrans bardus as in mad pursuit of Geococcyx californianus he keeps ending up hoist by his own Acme petard, it helps not only to have seen a lot of the cartoons but also to live in a litigation-prone society. In Japan, for example, the story just wouldn't hit the spot, not even if put in manga form.
And one deep deep question: why "meep meep" and not "beep beep"?
Robert, the best for you.
El Cid: Very nice message, we are the representats of our ancestors, in the reconquista.
What the hell is this?
http://www.carbombsandallah.com/
"meep meep!" is how it sounds in the cartoon.
On the previous, overarching note of this thread: The 1923 Unabridged Webster's Dictionary does not support Robert Spencer's definition of out of pocket. (The American Heritage Dictionary does not even list it.)
November 14th, 2005
New England
Mister Fitzgerald ~
I grant that the sound effect in question is, in fact, a beep. As for how it sounds, however, I must concur with the good Doctor.
Kempei!
Mad Jack
"Kempei"? All the Japanese I know consists of a few haiku taught to me by a member of the staff of Yomiuri Shimbun and that line Danny Kaye keeps yelling at the 20 captured Japanese soldiers in "Up In Arms" which phonetically I would render as something like "Oi-denazai!" But it's been a long time since I saw it -- not since 1944, when I attended the premiere in the company of Billy Wilder and I.A.L. (Inter-City Algebra League) Diamond. Or is it a reference to the sinister "Kempei-Tai"? Or just a samurai exclamation, something like "Banzai"?
I give.
We will leave the light on Robert, be safe Bud, and watch yer six.
On Topic:
"in (or out of) pocket - having gained (or lost) money in a transaction"
From the Bible of all dictionaries: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/pocket?view=uk
I speak UK English so I have to agree with Hugh, Robert.
Anyway, whatever you're up to within the coming two weeks - have a great time and be safe!
Cheers, more or less--especially where saki and orange juice are involved.
Thank god. More kahlua than Kodo.
Crikey, as Boris Johnson would say. You go out for a few hours and the thread turns Japanese.
Well, here are a few Japanese neologisms.
All a bit 'Bridget Jones', but I like this one:
Hmm. This is probably too much information - I'm no Bridget Jones, but my toilet sports a copy of 'Flushed with Pride', the story of Thomas Crapper, by Wallace Reyburn. An absorbing book. Tells you stuff about ping pong balls that would never have occurred to you.
And it doesn't face Mecca.
P.S. Under no circumstances buy life insurance as adviced by whatshisname. Bad Advice.
Oh yeah. DON'T EVER BUY LIFE INSURANCE. Doing so would be... stoopid or something.
Leave your wife and kids broke and in debt, that's a GREEEEAT! idea.
Or do you mean "don't buy term insurance"? Sure, if you can afford to pay 10 times more for universal.
It's this easy: if you have children that are very young, get a 30-year term plan. 100 dollars a month can get you half-million policy. The policy is there to ensure that your kids go to college and grad school, and that your widow can pay off the house and all the c. cards.
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Gary, is any bad person conservative? Gary sez: Nope.
LIAR. You want to make such a claim, quote me.
No, Gary. Since I am THE LIAR, let's see YOUR link where YOU refute my claim. Otherwise, don't call me a liar. Let's see the link, Gary m'boy.
And Gary? You "forgot" to answer my charge, yet again. Damn. It must suck to be wrong all the time.
But hold! Here comes Mad Jack to your rescue... let's see what he has to offer... I'll get back with you in a minute or two...
P.S. Under no circumstances buy life insurance as adviced by whatshisname. Bad Advice.
Oh yeah. DON'T EVER BUY LIFE INSURANCE. Doing so would be... stoopid or something.
Leave your wife and kids broke and in debt, that's a GREEEEAT! idea.
Or do you mean "don't buy term insurance"? Sure, if you can afford to pay 10 times more for universal.
It's this easy: if you have children that are very young, get a 30-year term plan. 100 dollars a month can get you half-million policy. The policy is there to ensure that your kids go to college and grad school, and that your widow can pay off the house and all the c. cards.
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Gary, is any bad person conservative? Gary sez: Nope.
LIAR. You want to make such a claim, quote me.
No, Gary. Since I am THE LIAR, let's see YOUR link where YOU refute my claim. Otherwise, don't call me a liar. Let's see the link, Gary m'boy.
And Gary? You "forgot" to answer my charge, yet again. Damn. It must suck to be wrong all the time.
But hold! Here comes Mad Jack to your rescue... let's see what he has to offer... I'll get back with you in a minute or two...
What the hell? Is that all you have, Mad Jack?
You must think that I like Islam or something. This must be your first day here. Oh, I see. Since I hate Bush, I must LOOOOOOVE Islam. Yeah, that's it. Somebody's been listening to Ann Coulter too much.
I can't answer those ridiculous quetions, because I am neither Muslim nor am I an apologist for Islam. You'll have to consult your buddy Grover Norquist (R-Closet Muslim) on that one.
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Well, Mad Jack has a greeeeat excuse for Vacation King to suck up to Islam:
On the issue of providing money to Muslim charities, the President is wrong--but prudent.
LOL... I love that. What a cop out. Yeah, reeeeal prudent.
Critical thinker: Why is it so prudent for Bush to smack up to Islam?
Monkey: Becuase, um, hey whats a matter with you? Why do you hate the troops?
The Imperial Jihad will have to advance a bit further before America is willing to take the hard, ugly step of removing Islam from the category "religion."
Advance a little more, so like maybe if they killed a bunch of Americans, that would be good enough? Or maybe if they destroyed some American landmarks? Damn, I guess we will have let the Jihad advance a little bit further before Dim Son does anything to fight terror. The good news is: Sharia is coming to Iraq! And it only cost us a quarter-TRILLION dollars! And it only ruined 10,000-or-so "ordinary lives."
But your Limbaughesque excuses could, in an oxycontin-induced stupor, MAYBE explain why Dhimbya won't overtly criticize Islam.... (hell, even Mike the Savage Weiner has the decency to tell the truth about Islam.)
But why doesn't he just adopt a neutral tone? After all, you don't hear him praising Hinduism, Buddhism, Quakers, Judaica, or even Christianity.
He hasn't "bragged" that he's put the Buddha Sutra, or the Bhagavad Gita, or the Book of Mormon in the White House library for the first time.
He didn't kiss and hold hands with Ariel Sharon, the PM of India, the President of Japan, or any of the "others." I haven't seen him kiss or hold hands with anyone, not even Laura.
Why does he GO OUT OF HIS WAY to suck up to Islam, the Koran, and the King of Sodomy Arabia?
Well??? Think about it for a second.
You answer THAT question for yourself, and you will be well on your way to understanding a few simple facts about politics, money, conservatism, and Islam.
The Republic is large and doesn't turn on a dime, but turn it will, and when it does, the Jihadists will look like Wile E. Coyote on the way to the canyon floor.
Not if Dub can help it. He'll make sure the Saudis get away safely. Like he did after 9-11.
Cute metaphor, btw... too bad it doesn't really mean anything.
BTW....that "Five Questions" was up on this very site a couple of days ago.
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Now, everybody, please take note. I'm going to make this statement again, and I hope that there's somebody--anybody--out there that can explain this to me. This means you Gary, and all the other liberal haters here. (And please don't parse words for me... I know hate when I see it. Are you one of these "I don't hate anybody" or "I hate the sin, not the sinner" kind of guys? I'm not ashamed to admit that I hate Islam, Strom Thurmond, Nazis, Confederates, Mobots, Saudi leaders, Hitler, Timothy McVeigh, Iraniacs, etc. Are you?)
Okay, here comes the charge. Please answer "if you have time." LOL.
Bush is handing YOUR tax money to "faith-based" Muslim charities that is statistically guaranteed to be use for Dawa, if not Jihad. And he's the first president in history to do so.
Face it, my conservative friends: Dubya is absolutely enamoured with Saudi money, and you are being HAD.
Your love of America, your decent religious values, and your hatred of liberals is being used against you and your better interests.
Love,
KJ
fanorollins@yahoo.com
PS... Gary, this is for YOU. Timothy McVeigh asked for, and received Last Rites. Do you know what that means, or are you a heretic-flavored Christian? It means that he went to Heaven. And it means that he believed in Heaven (otherwise he wouldn't have asked for it.) AND--AND!!! It means that the priest on duty thought he deserved to go to Heaven. Explain that to me Gary (or anyone else.)
Or Gary, are you one of those Bob Jones Republicans?
Nope. But, like nariz/nose/giaour, you apparently are clueless about Christianity.
If I had been the priest on duty for McVeigh's execution, he would not have gotten last rites. I'd've told him, "When you get to St. Peter's pearly gates, call some of those 21 babies you murdered in the Murrah Building day care to give you Last Rites."
But that's just me. I was denied entry to the seminary.
Hey Gary, that was fast.You're there now? You "forgot" to answer the charge above in bold font. Again.
....and I know all about Christianity: the good and the bad. I have a lot of good Christian friends, including you Gary. Admit it, you like me. You love to debate with me. You even pray for me.
I know aaaall about Christianity. My Grandparents were good Christians. My Grandfather would sing a solo every week in church; I even remember his favorite: "In the Garden."
We sang it at his funeral. And we sang it just two weeks ago at my Aunts funeral in NC. They had little brochures there with the "shoebox" gift idea, the organization run by Billy Graham's kid (Kid? Billy is probably 90 or so; the "kid" is a good 65-70.) You all may remember Franklin Graham as the guy that said something about Mohammed being a terrorist... and then, PROMPTLY, HE APOLOGIZED. Just like Falwell, just like Robertson. (That's what you call "flip-flopping when a liberal does it.)
Not forty miles from here, there is a plaque commemorating the place where Rev. Graham started his ministry in the skid row district of downtown Tampa (any DW/JW fans that would like to see it, email me when you plan your next vacation to Tampa or central Flora-duh.) And Graham's Alma Mater is in Tampa, Florida College or something like that. Some of my colleagues at USF got their AAs there, and Graham is their BIG claim to fame.
Anyway, me and the girls are going to make a few shoebox gift packages this year. I don't care if Rev. Graham puts bibles in them before they're opened. I just want to teach my kids about sharing and charity.
As I understand it, the shoebox idea is pretty popular, that should give you an idea of how long its been since I've been in a church for fun(i.e. not for a funeral, wedding, confirmation, wake, baptism, etc.)
LOL... my Christian friends love this part... I wanted to teach my oldest little girl about sharing because she's getting a little stingy. Like I'll buy her a milkshake and she doesn't want to share it... with me!
So I told her, "honey, we're going to get a shoebox and put presents in it. Then we'll give the shoebox to a little girl that doesn't have any presents."
And she said (without a pause) "For ME?"
I said no, you have a lot of presents. I mean a little girl that doesn't have any presents.
Gary, I know all about good Christians because I've had a few in my family and have many close Christian friends. And I was a Christian.
Now I believe in science and hard work. I am inspired by Taslima Nasrin, the Bangladeshi apostate featured over at secularislam.org. (She moved to Sweden to escape the fatwa they put on her for asking for mercy for Hindus. Yep, she went to Sweden... um, Dr. Nasrin? I've got some bad news for you, lady...)
I watched a documentary about Mother Theresa (no, not Kerry's wife; that's Momma Ketchup (thanks for that one, Mike Savage!)) last year and it really brought tears to my eyes. And then there's Father Damien, St. Francis, MLK...
And I have also read all about Fred Phelps, Bob Jones, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson.
I daresay that I know LOTS more about Christianity than you do about Science and Hard Work, my friend.
If only you could limit your barbs to Islam, and stop lying about o.t. liberalism, I wouldn't have to hand you your hat every time we debate.
There's something better in our world than meep meep or beep beep: it's "Peep, boe peep, thrice happie blest mine eyes," like in Pilkington's ayre, circa 1605. Care-free early modern voyeur, the shepherd, comes across lovely Phillis, sound asleep in a bower. Then he starts to "performe" on her...
honi soit...
such dirty minds, Westerners
There's something better in our world than meep meep or beep beep: it's "Peep, boe peep, thrice happie blest mine eyes," like in Pilkington's ayre, circa 1605. Care-free early modern voyeur, the shepherd, comes across lovely Phillis, sound asleep in a bower. Then he starts to "performe" on her...
honi soit...
such dirty minds, Westerners...
Has the phrase "carpet trolling" already been invented?
All the aitches that were dropped by Cockneys found their way up to Cheshire, and were hadded to words that didn't need them by haspirational people trying to sound hawfully posh. Never worked, though.
Posted by: Interested at November 14, 2005 10:30 AM
LOL, I like your "aitches." I would have called them "h's."
Mr. Spencer, "out of pocket" means you'll be MIA, not at home, unavailable, indisposed, or not answering the phone for a while, at least to me. I get the impression that you may be embarking on a secret mission. Please wear a disguise and be careful. You are very important to us and we have become very fond of you.
Bon voyage!
Interested --
Toirebijutsukan, to which, among the Japanese neologisms, you gave special attention and pride of place, raises possibilities for Westerners willing to fill a felt need: pre-fabricated packages of selected material for the salary-woman who hasn't time to properly prepare her bathroom, her toilet museum, to "stock it with interesting literature" or -- let's not stop there -- other items of cultural significance that might impress a suitor who has come to call.
Gift Boxes are now ready for the current season --we work very fast here - as the Western holiday of Christmas must, we know, be celebrated by the thoroughly-modern Japanese female employee. That modern East/West woman must be careful about faux pas, and should certainly avoid buying any of those crucified Santa Clauses that some Japanese department stores, in their uncomprehending enthusiasm, have been known in the past to put on display. What better way to meet the demands of the seaon than to get, and receive, prepared by Western hands in distant lands, in the ultimately mysterious West, collections of cultural material that will be expressions of the authentic, and not the ersatz, boxes of "cultural productions" that no doubt can be found in those large Japanese department stores where white-gloved girls bow to you as you enter, and where the shopping experience is so very different from that in Bloomingdale's or Nordstrom's or Harvey Nichols or Harrods or Au Printemps.
At present we can offer the discerning client one of three distinct Gift Boxes of "cultural material" which will enhance anyone's Toirebijutsukan or "toilet museum":
The "Amanogawa" Box includes:
Two recent but not brand-new copies of the TLS, obviously carefully read, along with ten New Yorkers that may be rotated for display purposes, one New Criterion, two Encounters, one from 1969 and one from 1972, and a copy of either L'Express in French or Espresso in Italian, for that continental touch. A program from the Arena at Verona(last season), and an exhibition catalogue from either the Metropolitan or the National Gallery -- completes the picture of the globe-trotting lover of Western culture. A copy of Weidle's small-format "Mosaici Veneziani" with a postcard placed inside, containing English writing ("Streets full of water. Please advise") that will be incomprehensible anyway, with the picture of a famous fresco in a church in Torcello; a copy of "The Poetry of Keats" (Ecco Press), with pencil marks on the side discretely indicating to the new owner where she should place, generally but not exclusively in Japanese, her own marginalia, with a card of some suggestions -- Shizukesa-ya! or "Davvero!" or "This is hauntingly beautiful" or "cf. Wyatt" placed right there for her to copy out, in that strange bleak uninteresting alphabet.
A collection of photographs of Great Men of the Mysterious West, including Jean-Paul Sartre, Pablo Casals, T. S. Eliot, William Faulkner, and Winston Churchill, to be slipped into whatever books are to be left lying about in piles of sweet disorder, whether those books be foreign-language ones supplied by Our Firm, or Japanese books by Banana Yamamoto or Hiroki Murakami that the client has pre-bought and now wishes to place in her carefully individualized "toilet museum."
A book on the films of Satyajit Ray, published in London, and just to remind everyone that you are Japanese, and not slavishly interested only in non-Japanese things, a copy of Cahiers du Cinema, the issue devoted to Kurosawa, of which we are delighted to announce that we have acquired, thanks to the cooperation of the current director of Cahiers du Cinema, Monsieur Jean-Michel Frodon, the entire remaining stock of that particular issue. A print showing the glowing colors of fall in Newfane, Vermont in October, beautifully set off by our "traditional New England" frame, is the final touch in this, our most popular, and at $950, our most affordable "toilet museum" accessory box.
The "Hironaka" Box includes everything in the "Amanogawa" box but also includes works that indicate someone interested in mathematics and science, in case the Japanese young man you are hoping to impress is involved in R & D at a big company, so along with all of the above are included:
G. H. Hardy, "A Mathematician's Apology"
J. D. Watson, "The Double Helix."
David Smith, "A History of Japanese Mathematics."
Photographs of Bertrand Russell, Ernest Rutherford, Richard Feynman, Lev Landau, to be placed inside books in the bathroom so that they may carelessly fall out when opened.
A cover from one of the Bourbaki publications, possibly with a nice French editeur listed, circa 1947, with the oulipoesque, tel qu'en lui-memesqe contents, so crazy and withal so serious contents, listed on that cover, which has been matted in museum board and framed to museum specifications, with a choice of three distinct frames: rustic, gilt, and celadon. The "Hironaka" will not exceed anyone's soroban calculations at a mere $1,250.
The "Murasaki Shikibu" Box includes everything that is in the other two boxes, and in addition, for those of the most refined tastes, copies in English of "The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon" (in Ivan Morris's Columbia University Press edition), "The Tale of Genji" by the eponymous Lady Murasaki, and "The Life of an Amorous Man" by Saikaku. All three books, in English or with one possibly in another Western languages, not necessarily English, should be placed near the modern editions of the same texts in the original Japanese. The box also includes, for the wall of the "toilet museum," a New York scene by Kuniyoshi, painted during his Art Students' League period. The price for the "Murasaki Shikibu" Gift Box for the Toilet Museum is $1,995.00 until January 5, 2006.
If the "Murasaki Shikibu" is ordered before December 10, not only is receipt guaranteed in time for the Western (and therefore) holiday season, but a container of dirt from the high school in Belmont, Massachusetts, once attended by the present Princess of Japan, will be included -- absolutely free, and is suitable for a small shrine in the Toirebijutsukan.
The yen is rising, the Euro is falling. And the Euro will continue to fall, the yen continue to rise. The reason is not hard to find. The "two models" for dealing with immigration that have been endlessly discussed are, of course, the American and English "multicultural" model, where no pressure is put on immigrants to learn much about, much less to adapt or wholeheartedly embrace a new identity, though no one is stopped from doing so, and is indeed welcome to do so, and the "French" model where all are welcome, but must prove that they have embraced France, and French ways, to become fully French -- a cultural requirement but with no ethnic or racial overtones.
No one has been discussing publicly still a third model of how to deal with immigratns, the model that one finds in force in Japan and, to a slightly lesser extent, elsewhere in the self-confident, self-conscious, proud, and far-seeing nations of East Asia. And that third model simply does not allow for the possibly of mass immigration, and certainly not of immigrants ever becoming fully Japanese, or Korean, or Chinese. No matter how long they have lived there, or how knowledgeable they have become, even if they master the language, the customs, the manners, and want nothing more than to be accepted as Japanese, or Korean, or Chinese, it will not happen. This model of course is anathema to the advanced West, but it is looking more attractive, for obvous reasons, evrey day. Whatever happens to Japan or Korea, they will not be subverted from within by a large population that does not wish Japan, or Korea, well, and wishes only to transform those countries and to rid itself of their customs, manners, laws, cultural and social understandings.
So, with those currencies rising in the East, and those girls getting ready to prepare those hundreds of thousands of toilet museums to impress potential guests, now may be the moment.
Interested?
Be safe, Robert, and don't forget to use cash. Can't wait for show and tell.
Out of pocket means unavailable. Hopefully Robert is unavailable because he is taking a vacation.
Robert, be very safe.
Interested -- "...it doesn't face Mecca."
Never? How do you manage THAT...?
Is it like "Fineman's cat" ?
and Hugh and anyone else interested
I have posted a message for you people at this thread
November 12, 2005
Hugh Fitzgerald explains what this site, and open comments, are for
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008959.php
The link to my message is
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008959.php#c143211
Please read it. Sorry I couldn't post it earlier. I was too busy.
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Keep going Gary ( http://profile.typekey.com/Kajm ). If you or anyone want to discuss some things then email me at Informed_Christian@yahoo.com or come and post it at my blog at http://informedchristiannews.blogspot.com/ I can't debate here too much because I am too busy but if you email me I might be able to share some ideas with you and maybe you can give me some advice as well. Why don't you set up a LiberalWatch site similar to JihadWatch Gary?
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"out of pocket" - to me it means " short of funds"....
Come-on folks, lets give generously, the holiday-season for Jews and Christians is just around the corner. Lets put our money where our hearts and minds are: Jihad Watch is the best that I can think of since Islamo-fascism is terrorizing us.
We need a radio-stations, TV-stations, publishers to come out and help spread the word. We are not a cult, we are the people!
This is what democracy means, lets see that freedom of speech is not replaced by kitman and Taqkiyya, f*@k, I can never spell that god-damned word....
Hugh - that has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. Thanks very much - I've got a dull day ahead of me and it will keep me chortling.
A program from the Arena at Verona(last season), and an exhibition catalogue from either the Metropolitan or the National Gallery -- completes the picture of the globe-trotting lover of Western culture. A copy of Weidle's small-format "Mosaici Veneziani" with a postcard placed inside, containing English writing ("Streets full of water. Please advise")
Well, I can't match this, but might be able to place on top of the cistern a theatre programme from a revival of 'Entertaining Mr Sloan' that I went to the other day. It holds up well.
Joe Orton, as you know, liked an Encounter in a toilet, sometimes with the odd Spectator.
Good Morning, IC.
In regards to JW/DW (and *chuckles* LW), well... I consider myself a pretty good writer when it comes to science-fiction. But I fear I have little patience for arguing point with people like kj (I mostly don't even try- which no doubt leads him to believe he is 'winning the argument').
However much he claims to 'know' what Christianity is about, his words very often put the lie to that. His understanding goes no farther than how he can twist the meaning of everything he looks at.
But he's still better than nariz/nose/giaour.
Anyway! Here's some good stuff:
Today’s Extras on Jihad’s 5th Column:
Juan Cole and the Decline of Middle Eastern Studies (but the continuation of Indoctrination on Campus):
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20182
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20187
(A Liberal Watch? Erf :P Well, we're about to buy a house and the next three months are going to be Hectic to say the least...)
"Out of pocket" is used among business executives exactly as Robert has used it. It's a common expression.
I say Robert has gone off turkey hunting. Its that time of year. He's going to be putting food on the table for the Mrs. and cheeping children. Call them in, Robert, and then blast away. Works for me. What with Thanksgiving coming up and all. There are Butterball turkeys and then there are buckshot turkeys.
Hugh...good writing. Enjoyed it. Bet you were one of those smart kids in school. I hated you smart kids. For particulars, see George Carlin routine.
Granny Weatherwax...'Lucy Lockett who lost her pocket'. Lets go there. What gives? I'm clueless. You English are like the Japanese at times, i.e. inscrutable.
I never knew that Kylie Minogue ever left the Land of Oz.
Interested...you're right! Crikey, you leave the thread for a few hours and its goes from Japanese to Life Insurance, and whether it is better to rent or to own.
Meep, Meep...I'm outta of here...I have to go to work.
KJ,
You asked about Timothy McVeigh asking for and receiving Last Rites and the priest believing he deserved to go to heaven because he administered the last rites. Let me explain.
Have you ever done something that you regretted deeply? I bet you have because we all have. To approach his coming death without thinking about his life and the things he'd done in it, good or bad, Timothy McVeigh wouldn't have been human. Now there are those who believe he wasn't, but the truth is that no matter what he did, until he was dead, God was willing to forgive him and accept his remorse. And he did have remorse or he wouldn't have asked for Last Rites. But even in receiving them, he was not guaranteed a place in heaven. This idea that Catholics can sin on Friday night, go to confession on Saturday afternoon and church on Sunday is ridiculous. They can do those things but confession does not protect them from God's justice if they are not sincere in their repentance.
The priest who administered the Last Rites was doing his job. Could you imagine being on your deathbed, asking for a priest and having him waste valuable time while he decides whether or not you are worthy? The Last Rites are a sacrament given to us by Christ to help us get to Him. The priest is there to make sure the person dying has an opportunity to receive them. Trust me, Jesus was thrilled to have Timothy McVeigh, as badly as he had behaved and as many people as he had hurt, turn his eyes toward Him before his death. Whether he was sincere or not, we may never know. But the fact that he asked for Last Rites implys that he did have remorse.
A good analogy to this case is the good thief in the Gospel. If you saw Mel Gibsons's, The Passion of the Christ, you'll remember how the good thief admonished the bad thief, telling him to leave Jesus alone because what he and the other thief had done in their lives had caused them to be crucified, but that Jesus was innocent and didn't deserve that death. The good thief then asked Jesus to remember him and Jesus then told him that on that day, he would be with Him in paradise. The good thief didn't deserve to go to heaven, but he was truly sorry for what he had done and God rewarded him for it. If you are worried about Timothy McVeigh not paying for his crimes, there is such a thing as purgatory, whether you believe in it or not, and if he was repentant he is most likely there, and it's not a place any of us would like to be, but I'll save that conversation for another time.
One more thing, who among us would wish hell on anyone of our fellow human beings? If you want to take Bin Laden in a back alley and slap him around, say, for about 50 years, I'd be okay with that. But don't wish hell on even him because that is forever, and if we oppose the monstrosity called Islam and the terror and misery it brings on our fellow man, then we've got to be clear about what we believe and how far we are willing to go to protect ourselves. If we decry them spewing hatred and evil on us and if we are going to take the high road, which our Christian legacy demands that we do, we can't wish evil on them. Fight them, even destroy them to protect ourselves? Yes, but their souls belong to them and their obstinance or repentance is between them and God.
Damn.... NO ONE here can come to the defense of Vacation King? No one? Gary, you can make up any excuse you want to not answer my charge, but the fact is YOU CANNOT. Doing so would FORCE you do admit that Bush is a joke and a dhimmi besides.
You lost the debate. Get over it, and get used to it. The only thing you can do is call me a satanist, or a communist, or whatever.
Like I said, I know all about Christianity, I just don't want to be a part of it any more. I believe in science, reason, and hard work. And those are what really made our nation great, and those are what separate us from the mobots.
Mad Jack, cat got yer tongue m'boy?
KJ,
I don't think you are a satanist or a communist.
You say you know all about Christianity and you don't want to be a part of it anymore. What drove you away?
But not a Tatler.
Correction: " Feynman's cat ..."
You are neither a satanist nor a communist, kj.
But you are Wrong.
First of all, it's not Feynman's Cat. It's Schroedinger's Cat.
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What drove me away? Conservative hypocrisy took over American Christianity, and I had enough of the bullshit. I got tired of the endless blather over abortion, the "homosexual agenda" and other crapola. It's all a bunch of malarkey designed to separate YOU from your money to begin with...now it's morphed into a way to make more sheep vote against their own interests.
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Have you ever done something that you regretted deeply? I bet you have because we all have.
Of course I have; you are stating the obvious since “we all have.”
To approach his coming death without thinking about his life and the things he'd done in it, good or bad, Timothy McVeigh wouldn't have been human.
Exactly. That’s why humans invented religion; to ease the fear of death.
Now there are those who believe he wasn't, but the truth is that no matter what he did, until he was dead, God was willing to forgive him and accept his remorse.
Yeah right. You can murder hundreds of people and STILL go to Heaven? Please.
And he did have remorse or he wouldn't have asked for Last Rites.
OR!! He was afraid of going to Hell.
But even in receiving them, he was not guaranteed a place in heaven.
You’re damn right about that. If you or I made Heaven, we’d probably exclude cold-blooded murderers. But God didn’t? It just doesn’t make sense.
This idea that Catholics can sin on Friday night, go to confession on Saturday afternoon and church on Sunday is ridiculous. They can do those things but confession does not protect them from God's justice if they are not sincere in their repentance.
I agree with that.
The priest who administered the Last Rites was doing his job. Could you imagine being on your deathbed, asking for a priest and having him waste valuable time while he decides whether or not you are worthy?
No, I couldn’t imagine laying on my deathbed and asking for a priest.
The Last Rites are a sacrament given to us by Christ to help us get to Him. The priest is there to make sure the person dying has an opportunity to receive them. Trust me, Jesus was thrilled to have Timothy McVeigh, as badly as he had behaved and as many people as he had hurt, turn his eyes toward Him before his death.
Yeah, maybe he can play harp with his new-found friends, like the 168 people he murdered in Oklahoma City. Or some of the people that had to clean up the ruined, crushed bodies of the babies that were killed, so traumatized they took to drink and drank themselves to death... or died from alocohol poisoning... or drank themselves into a stupor and choked to death on their own vomit...There's no telling how many people were ultimately killed by McVeigh, but if I was Jesus and McVeigh showed his ugly mug on MY doorstep, I'd say "What the f**k are YOU doing here, asshat? You've come to the wrong place, bub."
Whether he was sincere or not, we may never know. But the fact that he asked for Last Rites implys that he did have remorse.
Well, maybe you missed his statement after his trial, some crap about the tree of patriotism or whatever. He was just like Al-Aryan and every other Muslim nut: 100% non-apologetic.
A good analogy to this case is the good thief in the Gospel. If you saw Mel Gibsons's, The Passion of the Christ,
Ha-ha… no, I don’t like anti-Semitic snuff flicks. I didn’t see it.
…you'll remember how the good thief admonished the bad thief, telling him to leave Jesus alone because what he and the other thief had done in their lives had caused them to be crucified, but that Jesus was innocent and didn't deserve that death. The good thief then asked Jesus to remember him and Jesus then told him that on that day, he would be with Him in paradise. The good thief didn't deserve to go to heaven, but he was truly sorry for what he had done and God rewarded him for it.
If you are worried about Timothy McVeigh not paying for his crimes, there is such a thing as purgatory, whether you believe in it or not, and if he was repentant he is most likely there, and it's not a place any of us would like to be, but I'll save that conversation for another time.
As far as I’m concerned, he paid for his crimes in the gas chamber.
One more thing, who among us would wish hell on anyone of our fellow human beings?
Me. I would. I would wish it on Tim McVeigh, Strom Thurmond, Ollie North, Huey P. Long, Adolph Hitler, Mohammed, Babar, Jinnah, Saddam, Osama, Khomeini, Arafat, Coulter, Limbaugh… too bad that no matter how much I wish it, its not going to come true.
If you want to take Bin Laden in a back alley and slap him around, say, for about 50 years, I'd be okay with that. But don't wish hell on even him because that is forever, and if we oppose the monstrosity called Islam and the terror and misery it brings on our fellow man, then we've got to be clear about what we believe and how far we are willing to go to protect ourselves.
You’ve GOT to be kidding me. “Don’t wish Hell on Bin Laden”? I’m sorry, I thought that I was having a rational conversation. I guess I could stop here, but may as well finish I guess….Do I want to take him and slap him around? No, I want to BREAK HIM ON THE WHEEL.
If we decry them spewing hatred and evil on us and if we are going to take the high road, which our Christian legacy demands that we do, we can't wish evil on them. Fight them, even destroy them to protect ourselves? Yes, but their souls belong to them and their obstinance or repentance is between them and God.
I don’t care tuppence about their souls. I’m concerned about their bodies, and what their bodies do to the bodies of other people. You pray for them all you want; I’ll put my trust in the liberal scientists and academics that invent and engineer our weapons and planes, and the Marines on the ground that take care of Islam the only way that it can be taken care of.
While millions of Christians in Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, and elsewhere are being MURDERED by Islam, you guys are worried about trying to get “democracy” into Iraq which the red-eyed Shi’ite majority will use to institute Sharia and punish even more Christians, even more harshly.
This is what I expect from the “churchgoers” who stood by while black American Christians were being abused in the south. Over half of the white kids that came down for the Freedom Rides and demonstrations in Allah-bama and Mississippi were Jewish, and practically all of them were from “up North.” So where were all the white Southern Christians? Towing the party line: fighting the Negroes, hippies, and Commies; burning Beatles albums, and doing their best to get as many names on the Vietnam wall as possible.
Let’s just end here because obviously, no one here can offer a rational rebuttal to the fact that Dubya is the biggest Dhimmi on earth, period.
And yes, we can talk about the myth of purgatory (designed to get money from Christians) some other time.
So where were all the white Southern Christians?
They were voting Democrat. And according to another person who sometimes posts here, when some of them abandoned the Democrat party because of blacks entering the military in WW II, they did NOT go to the Republican party- they formed a third party and / or slowly faded away.
Which means the Majority of Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Legislation in 1964...
But I digress.
If Bush is the 'biggest dhimmi,' it is only because kerry ain't in office.
So where were all the white Southern Christians?
They were voting Democrat. And according to another person who sometimes posts here, when some of them abandoned the Democrat party because of blacks entering the military in WW II, they did NOT go to the Republican party- they formed a third party and / or slowly faded away.
Which means the Majority of Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Legislation in 1964...
Oh boy, this is going to be great... I feel like Lloyd Bentson at the '88 VP debate when Dan Quayle said he was just like JFK.... this is going to be great. Damn! Here comes my boss.... I'll get back to you this evening.
Gary, is there anything that you want to add to this before I tear ya a new one?
Only that we have yet to hear your Philosophy on Juan Cole.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009010.php#comments
And that Bentsen does Not look like JFK- but kerry Did come across much like Mussolini in one picture during last year's campaign- the gestures, the square jaw...
Beyond that, I have a late night at work. Have fun!
SCV It's from an old children's nursery rhyme:-
Lucy Locket lost her pocket,
Kitty Fisher found it;
But ne'er a penny was there in't
Except the binding round it.
Pockets then were not sewn into clothes but were bags tied round the waist.
Kitty Fisher was a real historical character, 18th century. Born poor and worked her way up to a rich husband. You can guess her line of work. Quite sad really, she was popular with her husband's tenants because of her generous good nature but died barely months after the wedding, and was buried in her wedding gown.
KJ,
Whoa! I didn't realize my response would bring out so much anger in you.
I can't cover all your points tonight because of a very early morning tomorrow. Please understand, I was explaining what I believe as a Catholic and why Timothy McVeigh would have a priest near him before he died. I in no way want to excuse what he did. But you yourself admit to not being perfect like the rest of us and I'm sure there have been times when you thought what you did was so bad that you could never be forgiven. Perhaps that's why you hate Christianity so much. But I'm telling you, it can be done. Think back to when someone did something to you and asked your forgiveness. Did you spit in there face? Or were you moved by their repentance? The point is that ANYONE can be forgiven, if they are truly, deeply, on the verge of losing it from remorse, sorry.
And understand me on this; I'm not a bleeding heart. I would blow anyone away that tries to destroy my family, my beliefs, my stuff. That's a given. It's just that you do more harm to yourself with your hatred than you could ever do to Timothy McVeigh. And friend, we are on the same side so let's stick together. We need each other to combat this real threat, which is Islam.
I do have a bone to pick with you and that is that you have no business commenting on The Passion of the Christ when you admit you haven't seen it. There isn't one scene in it that is anti-semitic. To say so when you don't have any idea what went on makes you look foolish. The only one Who was snuffed in the film was Jesus. And lucky for you and me and Timothy McVeigh, He said He would come back from the dead and He did. That's something worth thinking about.
In a Chekhov play, very often the characters simply pay little attention to one another, with A talking to C while B talks to D. It is also true in life, where Masha, Sasha, and Dasha, Vanya and Volodya, Anton Pavlovich and Artur Efim Leonidovich, will in the midst of a group, pay attention only to each other.
Only that we have yet to hear your Philosophy on Juan Cole.
Okay, here goes:
Juan Cole is a phony "intellectual" that finds fault with everything that America and Israel does, and routinely--as a matter of course, even--refuses to give equal consideration to any thing, done by any Muslim, at any time, in any place. He, like your beloved Grover Norquist, is suppertitiously married to a Muslim woman; it is therefore reasonable to consider that he--like Grover--is actually a Muslim convert.
Juan Cole is the kind of "liberal" that I would just as soon go to the other party. You can have him, Gary. I don't want him. And you can have Alan Colmes, too.
Juan Cole exists and thrives either ON a generous "grant" from one of Bush's oil-prince buddies from the Sodomy peninsula, or he is living on a "Mid-East Studies Department"s that GREW OUT of just such a grant. (If EVER there was a good reason to increase state funding for education, the "Let's-All-Bash-Israel-Never-Mind-The-Facts-We've-Got-An-Ideology" Middle East Studies phenomenon is IT.
Juan Cole, posterboy for increased access to "The Morning After Pill." Juan Cole is living, breathing (through the mouth, presumably) proof that access to safe, legal abortion is vitally necessary. Juan Cole is a "liberal" that seeks to destroy the ONLY liberal, secular, democracy in the history of the Middle East and replace it with (ho-hum) yet another theocratic, Arab-Supremacist, right-wing, conservative, 7th-Century HELLHOLE a la Syria, Sodomy Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, etc. I.e. we wants to rid the world of Israel and replace it with an imaginary, never-before extant "sovereign nation" of "Palestine."
Juan Cole, who seems to fancy himself as some kind of conscience-prodding gadfly, can go to Saudi Arabia and become a leftist academic (in other words, he can go die) for all I care, IN FACT, I think that I would actually prefer that he did so.
Juan Cole is a phony, Anti-Semitic, Jew-Hating, Israel-bashing, truth-molesting, dancing monkey for his overlords in Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, or whichever wasteland pays his bills (or, like so many other "academics" in the mode of Edward Said) started the programs that pay his bills.
Poke around his website (you can find it at campuswatch.com or .org (I've been going there a looong time too, Gary) and there's a link to somewhere that doesn't actually spell out his marriage and the proof of his conversion, but does mention the name of (the webmaster?) Ayesha Cole, or Mohammed Cole, or something like that. One is left to assume that either his wife or one of his kids has a Muslim name... it follows that either his ho or his spawn are Muslims... it follows that he is a secret convert.)
Given the high value of taqqiya and kitman that a certain peaceful has, I wouldn't believe the pigf**king s**t eater if he told me that time ran foward.
Now Gary, have I made myself perfectly clear on the issue of where I stand on Juan Cole?
If only you were so forthcoming on where YOU stand on Dhimmbya handing YOUR taxmoney to "faith-based" Muslim "charities" who are guaranteed to use it for Dawa, if not outright Jihad. If only you could address this calamity, maybe you could start to improve yourself.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009010.php#comments
Spare me the link, Gary. I don't need to read what he's written. I only need to see his name, and know that it is probably 50% lies.
And that Bentsen does Not look like JFK- but kerry Did come across much like Mussolini in one picture during last year's campaign- the gestures, the square jaw...
What are you, like 20 years old? Don't you remember Dan Quayle "debating" Llyod Bentsen?
Mr. Potatoe said, "I can be a good VP. I've got just as much political experience as JFK had when he ran for President."
Oh, what a glorious moment... the cameras actually showed Bentsen licking his lips in anticipation.... he said "Senator, Jack Kennedy was in my party. I knew Jack Kennedy personally, and was a close friend of mine. You sir, are no Jack Kennedy."
Poor draftdodging richboy Quayle was stupefied. But they won anyway, so Bush Sr. was able to pardon most of Reagan's Iran-Contra criminals.
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Now, as for your little statements above, this is MY Lloyd Bentsen moment:
So where were all the white Southern Christians? They were voting Democrat.
But Gary, I've asked at least five times in the past year and you NEVER answer:
Were the Democrats that were racists in the 60s "conservative" or "liberal"? Which is it, pray tell (hint: look to where the black people in the House and Senate have gone.) Was Al Gore's dad liberal or conservative? Was Senator Byrd liberal or conservative? Was the democrat Jesse Helms liberal or conservative? Was the democrat Strom Thurmond liberal or conservative? Why can't you answer, Gary? Is the truth that painful for you?
Gary, why do WELL over 90% of black people for Democrat? Are they stupid? Or do they know something that YOU refuse to admit?
And according to another person who sometimes posts here, when some of them abandoned the Democrat party because of blacks entering the military in WW II, they did NOT go to the Republican party- they formed a third party and / or slowly faded away.
Well, yes, they formed a third party, the "Dixiecrats." It was all southern, racist Democrats that COULD NOT go to the "Party of Lincoln," so great was there seething hatred of The Great Emancipator. There were still a few living Confederate Veterans back then. And it was your dear Strom Thurmond who led the charge and screamed from the Senate floor, "Mr. President, there aren't enough guns and bayonnets in the entire US Army to make us accept the nigger race in our churches, our schools, and our places of business!"
But Gary, in the sixties, the same southern racist rabble DID go to the Republicans. Plain and simple. That's when Reagan went to the GOP, that's when Helms went to the GOP, that's when Lott went to the GOP, that's when Thurmond went to the GOP.
I admit that my party is the choice for pie-in-the-sky pollyannas, phony "Peace and Justice" Israel bashers, and Muslim apologists?
Why can't YOU admit that the GOP is the party of choice for racists, rednecks, unrepentant confederates? Do you have to be perfect? Maybe I'll just start calling you Mr. Perfect, since your religion is the perfect religion and your political party is the perfect political party.
Gary, I'm going to end EVERY message I send you with this reminder:
You cannot comment on the FACT that Bush is handing YOUR hard-earned tax dollars to "faith-based" Muslim "charities" who are certain to use YOUR tax dollars for Dawa and Jihad.
Hey Gary! Work Harder: Muslim Billionaires on Welfare are Depending On YOU!
Which means the Majority of Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Legislation in 1964...
...decent human beings that had a--oh, dare I say it?-- a liberal streak. And then Barry Goldwater and Nixon purged them all.
oops... "surreptitiously" married to a Muslim woman, are both Cole and Norquist.
Sorry, folks... I hit "post" when I meant to hit "preview" so there may be a few errors.
Another thing.... Gary says Kerry is a bigger dhimmi than Dub. But what FACTS does he have? Did Kerry start a war to take out the only threat to Iran, Kuwait, and Sodomy Arabia? Did Kerry give 2100 American lives to make a Sharia hellhole in Iraq? Did Kerry kiss the king of Sodomyland on his disgusting jowls and traipse hand-in-hand, IN FRONT OF THE FREAKIN' PRESS, FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE? Did Kerry... ah, never mind. It's not about logic to you; it's all about ideology and "feelings."
You can get a sense of his seething hatred for all things liberal by the way he refers to Ted Kennedy as "The Swimmer." Yes, Gary we know aaaaaall about Mary Jo Copechne and Chappaquiddick. We know that he was the subject of investigation and found not guilty. Funny that you never pass up a chance to mention that, as if vehicular homicide bothered you, yet never, ever mention the fact that Laura Bush murdered her first fiancee.
Granted, Kennedy left the scene of the crime and slept off his drunk before turning himself in. But Laura wasn't even investigated, much less charged with murder (and face it, Gary... what are the odds that she'd collide with another car, and--what do you know?--it's her "ex" fiancee that's crushed behind the wheel?) she wasn't charged with negligent homicide, she wasn't given a sobriety test, she wasn't given so much as a ticket. Lucky for her, she didn't marry Bill Clinton, or you'd be all over that, wouldn't'cha Mr. Perfect?
Well Nariz, Gaiour, King Tolerance, I have shown you how to defeat a conservative fool. Just ask him to explain Bush and his "liberal" handing-out of taxpayer money to "faith-based" Muslim "charities" who will use it to fund Dawa and Jihad... Gary, a.k.a. Mr. Perfect, will clam up fast. He'll run faster than a young republican from a recruiter. He CANNOT answer, because doing so would throw his entire ideology into contradiction.
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Next topic, Isabella:
Whoa! I didn't realize my response would bring out so much anger in you. I can't cover all your points tonight because of a very early morning tomorrow.
Yes, dear lady(?) I know... many people here are "too busy" to respond to me, right GARY?
But I'm used to it... I always try to leave my email address at least once a day so that would-be debators, death-threateners, and the occasional praiser can contact me.
Please understand (snip)... But you yourself admit to not being perfect like the rest of us and I'm sure there have been times when you thought what you did was so bad that you could never be forgiven.
I admit that I have done many bad things, especially when I was young and, yes, in uniform. But I didn't murder 168 people like McVeigh, I didn't murder 21 babies in a federal emplyees' daycare. He COULD have planted the bomb on the other side of the building and kept the murder of the babies to a minimum (if any at all.) If it had come out during the trial that he did do this, I would think, "at least he spared the children."
Hell, he could have phoned in a warning (like the Israeli "terrorists" did for the King David Hotel bombing) and NO ONE would have been killed at all. I probably would be willing to cut the guy a LOT of slack if he did that. It would actually have been pretty cool in a way, to see a big thing blow up and know that NO ONE WAS HURT OR KILLED.
But no, the bastard had to kill as many innocent people as he could, all because they were "FEDS" that he had come to believe were out to RUIN America (thank you, Limbaugh, Reagan, Liddy, North, et al.) He really thought that he was avenging the Branch Davidian suicidal idiots... for some reason he got it in his head that the FEDS murdered all those innocent, peace-loving, Christians who's only crime was making machine guns out of rifles... and selling them to anyone, no questions asked... and killing federal agents that came to arrest them... and letting Koresh sodomize their daughters. (Gary, remember: conservative republican Senator Danforth led the investigation and found that the Feds were "100% not guilty" of starting the fire, so please don't try to revise history again to suit your narrow, ridiculous views.)
But anyway, where on earth do you imagine that McVeigh could have gotten the idea that THE FEDS were cold-blooded, murdering, jack-booted thugs that trampled over innocent, law-abiding, decent "real American" folk? The obvious answer is "A.M. Radio." Thanks again, Limbaugh, Liddy, North, etc.
Perhaps that's why you hate Christianity so much.
Whoa, bullshit alert. I hate some parts of Christianity... the history isn't exactly... commendable. I thought I made it clear before that I thought there were a great many good Christians.
But I'm telling you, it can be done. Think back to when someone did something to you and asked your forgiveness.
Did you spit in there face?
Of course not; I'm a namby-pamby liberal, remember. Not like YOUR side's Ted Nuggent.
Or were you moved by their repentance?
Yeah, I don't follow the advice of YOUR Dr. Laura says you should use "tough love" and shun someone you love who does something liberal.
The point is that ANYONE can be forgiven, if they are truly, deeply, on the verge of losing it from remorse, sorry.
Hey, if it makes you feel any better, forgive the bastard. You can forgive Hitler, Osama, Eric Rudolph, whatever. I don't forgive them.
I never understand this ideological lunacy... when Eric Rudolph was captured, the local hayseed deputies put him in a cell to hold him until the real (federal) cops could come take him away. When he was being lead away, one of the bumpkins said, "I'll pray fer you."
WTF??? This guy murdered a cop, a cop he targetted for murder. He was hiding in the bushes near the Women's Health Clinic when he pushed the detonator. He waited until the cop came to pick up the unusaul package.
How in the hell does an OFFICER OF THE LAW "pray" for confessed, totally non-repentant, goddam cop-killer? Compare this to the Mumia Al-Jabar-or-whatever guy on death row in Pennsylvania...the cops come out and PROTEST when Sting comes to town, just becuase he is asking for a new trial for the guy (because the conservative DA withheld exonerating evidence.)
Hey, call me conservative, but something about a cop praying for a cop-killer just doesn't set well with me. Maybe you can explain it to me, maybe my "hatred of Christianity" is keeping me from "thinking" straight.
And understand me on this; I'm not a bleeding heart. I would blow anyone away that tries to destroy my family, my beliefs, my stuff. That's a given.
Unless, apparently, someone in your church told you not too.
It's just that you do more harm to yourself with your hatred than you could ever do to Timothy McVeigh.
WTF??? Don't go all liberal on me, Isabella.
And friend, we are on the same side so let's stick together. We need each other to combat this real threat, which is Islam.
I concur. But shouldn't you be praying for them instead of calling them on the liars and murderers that they are?
I do have a bone to pick with you and that is that you have no business commenting on The Passion of the Christ when you admit you haven't seen it. There isn't one scene in it that is anti-semitic.
When I want to know about global warming, I consult a climatologist or a meteorologist. Not a priest or an AM hate radio loudmouth.
When I want to know about combat, war, honor, dishonor and war crimes, I consult a combat veteran. Not a priest or an AM hate radio loudmouth.
When I want to know about sexism, I consult with a feminist. Not a priest or an AM hate radio loudmouth.
When I want to know about the pain caused by racism, I'll consult someone that's actually felt it. Not a priest or an AM hate radio loudmouth.
When I want to know about Anti-Semitism, I refer to the ADL. Not a priest or an A hate radio loudmouth. The ADL knows a thing or two about Anti-Semitism maybe even more than you, Arafat, O'Reilly, David Duke, and others who praised the film.
The ADL said that it is Anti-Semitic tripe, and I'm willing to take them at their word, especially regaring a holocaust denier and truth molestor like Mel Gibson. (No, Gary, he hasn't overtly claimed that there was no Holocaust, he's not that brave. But he has said that his father never told a lie in his life, and his father is a well-documented Holocaust Denier. Put 2 and 2 together, damn your incessant spin.)
To say so when you don't have any idea what went on makes you look foolish.
No, I don't like violent movies. I've seen violence, up close. I've done a little myself, and received my fair share. Violence in cinema, whether man-murdering-man, animal-murdering-man, monster-murdering-man, or alien-murdering-man has NEVER really done anything for me. But if that kind of violence is your thing, go for it.
The only one Who was snuffed in the film was Jesus.
Seeing "only one" man tortured to death would be enough to keep me away. Especially someone you claim to love so much. I do love Jesus; he got a raw deal. He was a great liberal who wanted to feed the hungry, give money to the poor, give clothes to the needy... he wanted to do away with capital punishment (as least for prostitution) and make people be lovable. He didn't like the conservatives power-that-were, that's why he ran all the money changers and animal sacrificers out of the Temple.
I feel sorry for all of the thousands and thousands of people crucified by the Romans. (The REALLY unlucky ones were those that weren't whipped prior to the cross-nailin'... the more blood you lost, the quicker you mercifully died. It was actually considered merciful to make you bleed as much a possible prior to the crucifiction. After Spalla put down the Slave Revolt of Spartacus (correct me if I'm wrong, Hugh) they crucified slaves every fifteen feet or so alongside the road out of Rome for MILES. And when they sacked Jerusalem, they basically crucified every Jew they could catch until they ran out of wood.)
And lucky for you and me and Timothy McVeigh, He said He would come back from the dead and He did. That's something worth thinking about.
Yeah, lucky Timothy McVeigh. I don't think I WANT to think about that.
Thank you for your concern, Isabella. You are no doubt a good Christian. You can forgive all you want, the fact is that wars are not won, Islam was not pushed back from Europe and India, slavery was not ended, and Communism wasn't "defeated" (see China) by prayer and good thoughts and religimous fairy tales. It was ACTION and violence and WAR and murder that brought all these good things about.
If you have been here a while, I'm sure you've read of the Muslim massacres of Christians all through the ages, from the Sabeans to modern-day Lebanon (thank you, Gipper), Sudan, Pakistan, and Iraq (thanks, Dub.)
Did their prayers help them? Did their faith help them? Have you ever read of the sack of Constantinople?
No; prayer does nothing tangible, it can only produce feelings, often imaginary ones at that.
Isabella, maybe we should just talk about Islam from now on.
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And, as always, I end with:
Gary, please explain why Bush is handing YOUR tax dollars to "faith-based" Muslim "charities" who will most certainly use it to fund Dawa and Jihad.
No links, please. Use your own words. If you "have time"....ROFLMAO.
kj
fanorollins@yahoo.com
Nariz, Gaiour, King Tolerance, any other rational people,
kj, that answers it all. kt is Rational?
btw kj, was that you left me a message on my LiveJournal saying you were banned? If it was, that's another LIE.
Um... I've never been banned, I've never lied to you, and I've never been to your live journal, but I'd like to go.
No, it doesn't "answer it all"... there is still the question of whether you are going to stand by while I dump all over The Fearless Leader... you can't agree with me that he is America's biggest dhimmi, yet you can't dispute his dhimmitude.
KT is rational in regards to some things, just like you are rational in regards to some things... as is Dubya, John McCain, Mike Moore, Pat Buhcanon, Louis FarraKlan... hell, even Rush Limbaugh is rational sometimes.
I'm sure you've made yourself forget the 20-odd page debate I had with KT here some months ago... in Bizarro Gary World, does that mean that I think that he is rational on everything he says?
Gary, what's it like to be perfect?
Gary, are you going to run like a coward EVERY time I ask you to explain that:
Bush is handing YOUR tax dollars to "faith-based" Muslim "charities" who will most certainly use it to fund Dawa and Jihad. AND he's the first president to EVER put the Koran in the White House Library... AND he bragged about it!!!
LOL... I love it. The lies Gary tells about my side aren't as bad as the truth about his... and now, any time Mr. Perfect tries to lie, all I have to do is whip that out. And Mr. Perfect CAN'T answer it and WON'T answer it.
Gary, I guess you better redouble your efforts to get me banned, since that's all you can do to answer the charge I'm going to make again... and again... and again....LOL.
Gary, what's that link to your LiveJournal? I'd like to visit and make a monkey out of you there, too.
I never made ANY attempt to have you banned, and in fact I have made reference to that on my live journal- if you are ever able to find it.
So you have LIED once again.
As to Bush. You expect me to defend the indefensible? Doubtful.
As I said earlier, if he is the world's biggest dhimmi, it is only because he beat kerry in a fair election.
Why are certain posters here inclined to endless rants?
These peevish posters act as if mad wasps lived in their pants.
There's KJ, KT, IA, Rick, and Moojhadeeen as well,
Along with their abettors -- they ALL make this website smell.
Some are gone. Some will, if they don't pull up their socks, be going.
KJ,
So much of what you say makes my head spin. You also reply to what I say as if you know me, and you don't. You also don't listen to what's being said. Okay, whatever. But your assertion that nothing is ever resolved by prayer is just a damned lie.
If you go to
http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/OLISLAM.HTM
you can read a little bit about the Battle of Lepanto, which took place on October 7, 1571 and was the DECISIVE battle that saved Europe from Islam in the 16th century. The Christians were outnumbered, but they prayed their Rosaries and they won. You can blow that off all you want to, but the fact of the matter is we are in a fight between good and evil and unfortunately it will probably be to the death. Padre Pio, who is a saint, said that the Rosary is THE weapon. When Our Lady appeared to the three children at Fatima in 1917 she told them that WWI would soon end if they prayed their Rosaries, and it did.
The premier Catholic event of the 20th century WAS when Our Lady appeared to the three children at Fatima, Portugal and she admonished them to pray their Rosaries to heal the state of the world.
Fatima was named after the "prophet's" daughter. Think that was a coincidence? And it is interesting to note that in the picture of Our Lady of Quadalupe, the Blessed Mother is standing on what appears to be an Islamic crescent. This picture appeared on Juan Diego's tilma in the mid 16th century. Another coincidence? You can check out the picture for yourself at
http://www.sancta.org/intro.html.
Whatever you think about what I believe, my prayers have always been and will always be a protection and a tremendous comfort for me and for those whom I pray. My Rosary is the only weapon I know of to combat the lies that are Islam, especially since our leaders are selling us down the river on this one. And I pray for you, because your vitriolic spew will never solve your problems or bring the peace that your sad heart must long for.
Granny Weatherwax...thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
KJ: What is your typing speed? I can't match it. What kind of keyboard are you using? Is it set to Dvorck? (sp).
Dear Isabella,
I don't know what your problem is. I don't believe in what you believe, why does that bother you so?
"The Decisive battle the saved Europe from Islam"? ... um, have you ever read about Vienna? Seems to me it was around 1638 or so.
That religous stuff is all a bunch of hokum. It's not going to save Europe from Islam THIS time (they are already calling it Eurabia around here.)
And praying over it isn't going to stop Islam from growing... and growing... and growing. It's going to take action, and strong action. Maybe when Europe falls there will be some action. Not until.
Or maybe not until one European nation falls. It could be France, Italy, Spain...Denmark, Holland.... who knows?
Every years thousands and thousands of Christians "convert" to Islam.... all of the women become brood sows. Likewise the thousands and thousands of "western" women that don't convert but still marry Muslim men. The result is the same: all their kids are Muslims.
Look at the demographic data for the growth of Islam in France, England, Italy, or Denmark. Now extrapolate to 2040 or so.... see anything unsettling?
Just for example, it has been reported here many times that one in every three babies born in France are Muslims. That means in twenty years, one out of three 20-year-olds in France will be Muslims, and by then nine out of 10 babies born in France will be Muslims. THAT means that in AT THE VERY MOST 40 years, France will be... gone.
Now if you are like most JWers you may think that is funny. But it's not. It's cause for alarm. I don't know how old you are, but if you're under 50, you will probably live long enough to see the Louvre destroyed.
And guess what: NO AMOUNT OF PRAYER is going to intercede. Civilized human beings tend to have smaller families because fewer children in a family will have more opportunity for a good life. Uncivilized people tend to have large families because they think that its cool to live off the government, and its part of God's plan (or Allah) that everything will be fine, just keep getting pregnant every two years; the divine will provide.
Well this thread is getting old... catch up with me via email or at a more-recent post.
kj
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Hugh, if I will be banned if I don't follow some new rule about length of posts or whatever, I'd appreciate a warning.
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JSLA: Go Cheney yourself.
Housekeeping first: FYI Gary et al, I know quite a bit about Christianity, thanks to the fact that I was raised Presbyterian, Baptised Southern Baptist by my uncle, as I lived under his roof as a teen, and converted to Catholicism at the age of 35, and not just a Vatican II Catholic, but a Traditional Latin Rite, Catholic Truth Catholic, with underground masses and all. I still love the old Latin Hymns, the ritual of the Latin mass and Gregorian chants, and one of my favorites of all time is Handel's Messiah.
And you are absolutly correct KJ, Abe Foxeman and the ADL protested Mel Gibsons The Passion as antisemitic, strange how it is that Jihad Watchers overlook that, also strange that the ADL's condemnation of it was the subject of antisemitic rants for months on various phorae which have a decidedly Jew hating texture and tone.
Laughing out loud. Kj you ripped them a new posterior orfice, they can't answer your questions, nor do they have a retort, so they Limbaugh you by changing the subject or, especially in Gary's case, try to make you (and me) the subject.
Thanks for input on Juan Cole, I knew there was a reason he didn't pass the sniff test. I would love to see him try to engage Robert in an open debate.
So Juan Cole like Grover Norquist and George Galloway is a crypto Muslim, no wonder he hides his conversion it would reveal his agenda.
I don't often revisit a thread, there is so much to do in life other than spend all of my day haunting all of the threads on JW or DW, but I'm glad that this one was called to my attention for revisit.
I notice, as usual, that Gary has his nose in a snit (maybe that's why he is carried away with the imagery of noses).
This is a personal opinion, and it is based on Gary's own behavior and rants, and in this he has a lot of company.
My personal opinion is that he is immature, if not in years, then in emotional development for his posts are infantile petulant.
My personal opinion is also that he really doesn't take the threat of Islam seriously, and merely uses JW/DW as a vehicle by which to promulgate his own Rush Limbaughism, not realizing or caring, that the hypocritical drug addict (and by the way there are rumors, maybe more than rumors that he is actually gay - which might explain his late in life marriage to squelch said rumors), is a major source of division in this country. A division that is weakening it, not strengthening it, then again there is a lot in common with right wingers of all stripes (and nothing is more right wing than a Muslim), and that is self righteousness, narrow mindedness and intolerance.. only Muslims are a cohesive unit that number in the billions, while us non Muslims are fractured along religious and ideological lines.
Right wing kaffirs are more prone to destroy bridges than to build them.
Gary is reminiscent of those feminists who overlooked Clintons misogynistic betrayal of his vows, and the labor democrats who overlooked his betrayals of labor (NAFTA and GAAT). Only Gary and his ilk overlooks even treason and betrayal of West by Bush or anyone who has a "conservative" label. I bet you could sell him anything, so long as it had a label or endorsement of "conservative". (Leftists do the same thing, label it "left" and they suck it up hook line and sinker, except for truly intelligent people like kj).
And there is something strange about this site, and those who would exercise the ban of posters.
Discounted is that fact that personages such as you and I, are erudite and educated and tireless fighters for freedom and vehemently and self avowedly "Islamophobics".
That's not important, if we don't drink the Kool Aid, then we are excommunicated.
It's not sufficient to expend time, energy and money, and even receive death threats from Muslims, to expose, fight and hold back the Muslim tide...no one must also drink the Kool Aid as well, very Jim Jones.
I personally have stuck my neck out further, taken more heat, exposed myself to physical danger engaging Muslims and their dhimmi's, than our brave Gary and the rest of the posters .
Gary, et al and most of the posters are cowards, inept and ill eguipped to put their money where their mouth is, and take on the Islamofascists and antisemites on their own turf.. like a Free Speech Forum that does not ban posters.
They are comfortable and feel secure only when singing to the choir, but it isn't the choir that needs to be convinced and converted, it is those "liberals" that they so love to hate, nor are they capable of fighting this war by themselves, they need those liberals and leftists, and they can only do it by converting them. But convert them they can't, and worse, they won't they are preoccupied with slinging feces at them, blaming them for the ills that their stupidity and banality have caused.. Such as the fact that the Corporate Base of the RNC are hand holders of the Muslims (because that's where the money is).
Damnedest thing in the world to see This righteous Administration, aiding and abetting the Muslim Brotherhood (as they recently did in Egypt), and willing to welcome and assist Hizboallah, Islamic Jihad, HAMAS - if "only they will lay down their weapons" (of course they have tons more buried in the sand.)
Gary and his ilk don't have the guts are mental acuity to place their bodies (Muslims actually know where I live), and engage them, their dhimmi's (which includes one hell of a lot of Christians- who are not leftists,but who are right wing, anti semitic, anti feminist, anti gay, anti government Christians.. and they abound in the millions, actually they are FREEPERS (that is denizens of Free Republic) with a difference, and that difference is that they hate Jews and Israel.
And they have a home, a free speech forum that doesn't ban posters, founded by refugees from Jim Robinsons arbitary banning