ACAIR Founder: My Battle Against Hate

If you don't mind, I'm posting more about Islamist violence against Indians, since I don't feel it gets enough attention on these boards:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/11/13/india.bombs/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

And here we see a pharmaceutical company executive has been arrested for the New Delhi bomb blasts that killed over 60 people. Not exactly the poor, illiterate, wayward youth that some activists would like to hold up as the standard torch-bearer for mayhem.

sanman,

I think it's a good idea to remind people about Islamic terror in India. Hindus have lost several very important temples in India, as well as suffered attacks on government building and countless civilians murdered.

Westerners don't realize that India has been fighting the War on Terror since they sent the British packing.

sanman, raphael,

I saw your posts, and thought I'd put up a historical example of Islamic jihad against Indians....
(excerpt from an article by Andrew Bostom, see link below).

"And Amir Timur, during his jihad campaigns through Northern India (1397-99 C.E.) conducted what may have been the greatest mass slaughter of prisoners ever chronicled:

“Next day, Friday the 3rd of the month. I left the fort of Loni and marched to a position opposite to Jahan-numa where I encamped… I now held a Court… At this Court Amir Jahan Shah and Amir Sulaiman Shah and other amirs of experience, brought to my notice that, from the time of entering Hindustan up to the present time, we had taken more than 100,000 infidels and Hindus prisoners, and that they were all in my camp…I asked their advice about the prisoners, and they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left
“…with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the [Islamic] rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty. In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword. When I heard these words I found them in accordance with the rules of war, and I directly gave my command for the tawachis [drumbeaters] to proclaim throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners was to put them to death…When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasiru-d-din ‘Umar, a counselor and man of learning, who, in all his life, had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives…”"

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14964

RE: Omar Ahmad, CAIR Co-founder............... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant.

Does he honestly think that statements like this will not result in a backlash?

Does he expect me to sit quietly and accept his desires for me???

Isn't that the epitomy of arrogance?

To quote our Commander-In-Chief "Bring um on"
Sometimes the most simple comments can be the most effective instead of verbosity and intellectualizing everything to death.

Mr. Whitehead,

We're with you. Feel free to publish this list of insults, and ask CAIR if they, like Mohammad, suffer from "Infidelophobia."

According to the Koran, disbelievers (infidels): are “worst of created beings” (98:6), are “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55), are the worst beasts in Allah’s sight (8:55), are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111), “evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99), liars/they lie (2:10, 9:42, 16:39, 16:105, 59:11), the “wrong-doers” (2:254, 5:45), on the side of the devil (Satan) and are fighting for him (4:76-77); “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); hypocrites, i.e., those who only pretend to be religious (4:61); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60); have a “diseased heart” (2:10, 9:125); are ill (84:20); are “guilty” for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); have no sense (5:103); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); disgraced lives (22:9); “losers” (7:179); foolish and liars (7:66), liars and losers (58:18-19), false pride and schism (38:2); "unclean" (9:28).

sanman;

I make a habit of trying to educate the people I work with, my friends, complete strangers, etc.
I work with people from around the world, and while I don't always feel like I'm getting through to the Americans, Caribbean people, Koreans, and Hispanics, all I have to do is mention the subject of Islam to my Indian co-workers and we are off and running. They provide me with historic facts AND personal accounts of the impact of Islam on India. There is nothing I can add to what they know, but my knowledge is increased exponentially.

Why Islam continues to get a pass almost everywhere in the free world is the very simple fact that it is recognised as a major religion.

Still today most people believe as does the president (I think that's changing) that Islam is the "religion of peace". The President has not used that term in some time now.

It is difficult to get passed the masters of taquiya, and kitman if we as Infidels don't take some time to read and understand the most serious issue of our time, bar none!

Most importantly; Without mentioning your religion,simply spend time in finding and understanding the differences between your belief systems and those of Islam and the Quran and its tenants.

Contemporay Scholars who have studied Islam for decades such as Robert Spencer,Ibn Warraq,and Serge Trifkovic do not want you to just take their word for everything they say. They encourage everyone to study the Quran,and the hadiths yourself.

From my point of view islam is a mortal enemy that will be met in battle unless you join it. I have many islamic "friends" but I am always clear on one fundemental point; they will saw my head off the first chance they get.

I have unkind things to say about people running the American gov that allow CAIR and organizations like it to function in the US. Not only are these "fine" members of both houses and other branches, traitors to their country, but they have slapped the faces of all those out in the front lines; and spat in the faces of the people they claim to represent at home.

To the extent that the people have bought into multicultralism and political correctness thus allowing these sad state of affairs; then CAIR and everything it represents is an invited and cherished guest on the American scene.

Get them out!

RE: Still today most people believe as does the president (I think that's changing) that Islam is the "religion of peace". The President has not used that term in some time now.

There is absolutely NO WAY that the President can make factual statements about Islam while he prosecutes the War On Terror.

There is a "method to the madness" when he states "religion of peace". He does not say that with "face value".

Sanman .... thanks. What cowardly low life scum are these Jihadist killers. Those who assassinate via bombings. In war, and this is war, there is at minimum an equal retaliation. Here, at best the Islamic mutants who mass murdered will be executed, which is in no way equivalent to the 60 Hindus killed with many more maimed.

Even from working class moslims in our USof A I see a muted response of their radical sects, and never a repudiation. Thus I believe all that is said on this site is the truth and when the radical wahabi's make their most overt moves the moderates will join in.

Learjet0450:

The irony hear is that the phrase "Religion of Peace" that president Bush has used in the pass came from a member of CAIR who had the presidents ear at the time.

The President has tried to not implicate the entire umma given his position as the leader of the free world. He rightfully has chosen not to polarize all muslims and still wants to leave himself and the rest of the free world some wiggle room when dealing with those who aspire to the Dar-al-Harb against all of the free world.

No question that the comments section here will continue to be a public-relations problem for Robert. The alternative is caving in to CAIR the way so many other entities have done.

I think you get some massive traffic here that you otherwise wouldn't get without the comments section. For example, I visit sometimes up to 10 times a day depending on whatever dialogue might be unfolding between participants.

Without that incentive, I'd probably visit once or twice a day.

It's a hard call. Dispensing with the comments would get rid of a headache...but it would also sterilize the site and undoubtedly lesson public interest.

Mackie,

I agree with your analysis. I don't think it is the job of the President of the USA to get involved in theological deconstructions. He is the President of all Americans, regardless of religion or ethnicity.

The problem is, he has gone much too far the other way, quoting from the Quran, validating Islam in ways large and small, exonerating the religion from the violence of its practitioners...and thereby negating the necessity for introsepection and reform from within the Muslim community.

It's one thing to point out that many Muslims are loyal Americans...quite another to repeatedly offer ringing endorsements of Islam as a theology.

Archimedes has the most important post today in my opinion.

Everyone who is not Muslim needs to understand that Islam doesn't just disrespect us - it HATES us as non-believers. That is why the Muslims love socialism and the "hate speech" ruse. In a PC nation where everyone is desperately afraid of hurting someone's feelings, a satanic ideology like Islam can grow unabated.

I mean, how much clearer can they be: "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them." The folks over at CAIR should make this their motto. If you call yourself Muslim and believe the Koran is the direct word of Allah - you MUST want unbelievers dead, you MUST lie and confuse the unbelievers. Allah commands every Muslim to kill unbelievers.

The reality is that NO non-Muslim can ever trust a Muslim. A true Muslim will never have any integrity when dealing with non-believers.

CAIR is also active here in Canada..They regularly write articles in our newspapers that bash Christians, and call our troops in Afghanistan agents of U.S. imperialism..

Last year one of their spokeswoman came to speak at my University, and told our class Christians are responsable for the Muslims worlds problems..When I said that was nonsense, and instead blamed their problems on their economic and political backwardness, and when I went on to defend the Christian world and its institutions, I got accused of being racist and oppressive..Two girls even tried to report me to the human rights panel for discrimination!

Anyway I would like to do some anti CAIR activities here in Canada, as they are a influential bunch..If anybody has some ideas, let me know
phil

In his Veterans Day speech, President Bush tried very hard to make the case that Islam itself is not the problem. Really? And did everyone catch that song-and-dance about the meaning of "jihad." Oh, puleeese!

A minimum of research will yield astounding facts about Islam. Such is the purpose of The Truth Project--to present some facts for consideration.

CAIR is supposedly a moderate-Muslim group, yet they are foaming at the mouth about Mr. Spencer's Guide. CAIR engages in much lobbying and effectively muzzles free speech in some cases (Remember last summer's firing of Michael Graham, when he was dismissed by WMAL Radio?) And why doesn't CAIR publish a refutation and/or engage in debate with Mr. Spencer? Because they can't. Mr. Spencer is onto Islamic doublespeak. For that matter, so are a great many people. I am astounded at how many know the truth about the tenets of Islam. One has only to be brave enough to broach the topic. Try it some time.

Mr. Whitehead's letter makes excellent points--incisively logical.

Sanman,
There is info from the Hindu-Sikh community at The Truth Project.
See www.thetruthproject.blogspot.com

Learjet writes:

"There is absolutely NO WAY that the President can make factual statements about Islam while he prosecutes the War On Terror."

Mackie writes:
"The President has tried to not implicate the entire umma given his position as the leader of the free world. He rightfully has chosen not to polarize all muslims and still wants to leave himself and the rest of the free world some wiggle room when dealing with those who aspire to the Dar-al-Harb against all of the free world."

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Folks, you're giving in to conventional wisdom.

There are many ways--Hugh has given examples here before--how Bush (or any Western/American leader) can illustrate the problems with Islam AND state that most Muslims are good, decent people WITHOUT making up lies and false interpretations about Islam.

DO say fundamental (or even "radical") Islam is the problem.

DO say that many/most Muslims are wonderful people who believe in equal rights for men/women, freedom of religion, equality of Muslims and non-Muslims.

But DO NOT say Jihad warriors "distort" or "hijack" Islam.

DO NOT say that Jihad warriors are not following "true" Islam.

Do NOT deny that Jihad warriors derive their modus operandi from a literal interpretation of Islam.

If cornered and asked what he thinks about Islam, just do a Clintonesque dodge. He could say: "There are hundreds of millions of wonderful Muslims in the world and we will continue to support and encourage them to spread the importance of equal rights and personal freedom."

The "Comments" section is exactly what it's meant to be: a forum of expression. That right to expression is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution, authored by our enlightened forefathers many years ago.

We do not have to apologize for exercising that right. Just peruse the anti-American websites. They're not getting all twisted out of shape because someone didn't like what they had to say. BOOHOO.

If CAIR doesn't like freedom of speech, TOO BAD!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Go back to the Middle East where they cut off your tongue or better yet, murder you, for being outspoken.

Here is some more freedom of expression: The Koran is no more than a collection of some rantings of a medieval madman delerious from too much sun exposure!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Salman Rushdie is my hero!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way, CAIR, when you pack up and leave, be sure to leave your First Amendment rights at the gate. You won't need them anywhere else.

Please folks, CAIR is way too overexposed. All bark, no bite. Little men with large complexes and even larger psychiatric issues, but very small. . . .

I am not concerned with how the Pres articulates the problem with Islam because at least he knows there is a problem.

I am more concerned about the PC types and uninformed Americans as to the true history of Islam and more importantly, their current agenda!

RE: Please folks, CAIR is way too overexposed. All bark, no bite. Little men with large complexes and even larger psychiatric issues, but very small. . . .

I wouldn't be too sure about that, look at how little it took to bring down the WTC and the trillion dollar lost to our economy.

Our law enforcement agencies are nabbing a lot of people in terrorist cells > the mainstream media does not publish the statistics > it is chilling!
It is almost a dailey occurence.

Learjet writes:

"I am not concerned with how the Pres articulates the problem with Islam because at least he knows there is a problem.

I am more concerned about the PC types and uninformed Americans as to the true history of Islam and more importantly, their current agenda!"

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Well isn't it the President's job (and all our political leaders' jobs--Republican and Democrat) to inform uninformed Americans about matters of critical national importance?

Learjet-

CAIR does not rise to prominance if we pay it no heed. They are bugs that can be squashed with good ol' American courage. The acutual ones who did and still do the killing are going to do it no matter what CAIR's standing is.

ZionLion- I think you are probably underestimating the influence CAIR does wield, especially among members of the foreign policy establishment. Consider the fact that you can currently visit this State Department web site and find the most disgraceful endorsement of CAIR's agenda.

Brave individuals such as Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, and Andrew Whitehead strive to bring to public attention CAIR's malevolent intentions to wider audience. And yet, Condi Rice's State Department continues to be in the business of promoting the good works of CAIR to a worldwide audience.
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From the link:
http://usinfo.state.gov/mena/Archive/2005/Oct/12-579520.html

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said this year’s Ramadan has become a month of charity and giving more than ever before because of natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina and the massive earthquake in Pakistan and parts of India and Afghanistan.

“The benefits of Ramadan are being better understood because those who are fasting can appreciate the suffering of the victims of these natural disasters, many of whom are hungry and without shelter,” Hooper said.

In the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, American Muslims are also eager to explain Islam to other Americans and the holy month of Ramadan offers many opportunities to share.

CAIR, the largest Islamic civil liberties and advocacy group in the United States, is conducting a nationwide “Sharing Ramadan” outreach effort to invite non-Muslims to learn more about the values of Islam.

CAIR is also sponsoring a campaign called “Explore the Quran” by distributing free Qurans to non-Muslims who want to understand Islam better. Those who request a Quran receive a hardcover book with an English translation next to the Arabic on each page.

Dhimmiwatch, your description of Canadian campus culture shows that the problem crosses borders.

CAIR: Masters of Deception.

They’re STILL running a bogus hate crime story on their website (original story, June 1, 2005).

Here's the story in a nutshell. A Sikh teen cut his hair short, which is traditionally forbidden. Then he told his parents that he had been attacked by a group of white males who cut his hair. His parents believed him, and so did the media. The police investigated it. A week later, the teen confessed that he'd fabricated the whole story about being attacked, because he was worried about upsetting his parents.

CAIR is still running the initial story, presenting it as a legitimate hate crime. (And the story is not even about a Muslim!)

(Note. This link may take you to a donation page. To get past this obnoxiousness, scroll down and click on main page, and when you get there scroll down to "Civil Rights" and click on "Canadian Muslims."

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1601&theType=NR

Here’s the sequence of events.

1. The teen's initial story: www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/01/sikh-050601.htm

2. The teen's confession: www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/04/sikh-teen-050604.htm

3. The consequences (no charges laid): www.sikhtimes.com/news_060905a.html

I have a suspicion that as the Muslims take over the West, blow us up and chop off our heads as we refuse to convert, there will be millions of acne covered fat Western feminists cheering them on.

I'm a licensed psychologist and the APA conventions are unbelieveable. University educated professionals are cheering CAIR and "the Palestinian struggle". This has also happened at the National Education Association. Even stranger still, many liberal reformed Synagogues are supporting the "struggle" against Israel. Over the last few years, much of this madness has gone away, but it still exists - and all of it stems from anti-Christian and Marxist theory.

Victor Mordechai was right. Only a strong revival in Christian, Jewish, Hindu and Buddhist societies will counter the evil of Islam. If competing belief systems aren't strong, the battle is already lost to Islam. Secularism doesn't work, we're watching it bring the French to their knees - at the mercy of Muslims that are waging low-level jihad mainly for sport.

It doesn't take everything to turn the tide, just being able to stand up for something. The Muslims aren't confident of victory. Even in the days of Muhammad, one of his contemporaries used to have dreams and visions of Islam being defeated. There is doubt on their side - this is why we have to be strong.

Kepha, u dont know the half of it..The political correct/liberal estalishment is a powerful force up here..What is truly bizzare is that their profound intellectual bankruptcy is taken as conventional wisdom...U think Cindy Sheenan is bad? Most of my proffessors arguments are similar to hers, and they are poisoning thousands of students with their leftist nonsense.

The rabid anti Americanism and anti Israelism up here, mixed with the self aggrandizing moral superiority is nauseating, especially because its adherents think they know what their talking about..No wonder CAIR is influential up here..That the left and militant Islam up here adhere to the same empty dogmas is not suprising, considering their moral bankrupcy and their propensity to discard inconvenient facts when it suits their purposes

However, there are other Conservatives like me up here,and we are watching the left and militant Islam .Although we conservatives are in the minority, our abilities and resolve to defend the West and its institutions from the lefts attacks should not be underestimated

phil

University educated professionals are cheering CAIR and "the Palestinian struggle". This has also happened at the National Education Association.

Rafael, you have Nailed it! While I can hope many teachers from Kingergarten to College are Not, those PC Teachers who are have access to thousands upon thousands of minds and are royally mucking them up.

Nariz, your take on this please?

rafael699 " Even stranger still, many liberal reformed Synagogues are supporting the "struggle" against Israel."

Not much new there, is there Rafael? It was, after all, the Reform movment which lead the charge against Zionism all throughout the 1880's through 1949. Let's not foget the infamous "Amercian Council on Judaism", lead by every Jew-haters favorite Rabbi Elmer Berger with money donated by the gold standard of self-hating Jewish families, the Sulzbergers ( who, no one on list list needs reminding ) are and were the owners of that blood libel rag known as the New York Times- ( What Holocaust? ).

However, one would need to move even further Left than the Reorm movement if one wants to see the worst Israel-hating Jews in full uniform. I speak of the "Reconstructionist", those non-chosen people. Of course, there are always the Neturei Karta, that ultra-small ultra-Orthodox group of lunatics who find common cause with the Final Solution. Then again, not to paint with a very board brush, but many British Jews aren't exactly falling all over themselves supporting Israel's right to exist.

phil dhimmiwatch canada,

This so-called political correctness is familiar to me as a Canadian as well. As to what you can do, you can take this matter up at your university if you have an ombudsperson, and you can contact that same human rights panel that the two girls contacted. You can also write letters to newspapers that publish objectionable CAIR or CAIR-CAN articles, and write to local politicians.

With that said, if you're a University student, I'd say don't let those idiots rattle you too much, and stay focussed on your studies. You might want to put this problem on the shelf until the Christmas break.

phil,

The other comment I had was about the "left." Some of the strongest and most public opponents to the recent "sharia" proposal (in family law arbitration) in Ontario were well-known feminists, definitely left-leaning. Some of the Muslim and ex-Muslim women who most bravely opposed the proposal know what it's like to live under sharia. (Of course, CAIR tried to call them Islamophobes). Most politicians, conservative or otherwise, were too scared to commit their clear opposition to the "sharia" proposal.

As Robert Spencer has emphasized on this site before, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum, fundamentalist Islamism threatens all non-Muslims and even moderate or secular Muslims. People who post at this site come from all parts of the political spectrum, some are religious, some are not. But what we all have in common is a recognition of the immorality and dangers of hard-core Islam.

"The benefits of Ramadan are being better understood because those who are fasting can appreciate the suffering of the victims of these natural disasters, many of whom are hungry and without shelter,” Hooper said."

What kind of crap is this ? Do these CAIR really have a brain or what ? There are lots of hungry and homeless poor people in the whole world who know what it is be homeless and hungry. You dont have to be a Muslim and do Ramadan fast to know that. And those of us who dont do any fast can 'imagine' very well what suffering is. People dont have to experience each and everything in this world, to actually know what it is. What kind of stupid statement was that "benefits of ramadan..." is that man an idiot or something ? Just shows the low level of intellect of CAIR.

continued:

Since CAIR whats to show us how 'beneficial' Islamic practices are (eg Ramadan), I am sure they can introduce a new practice called 'EVTA' (Empathy with Victims of Terrorists Attacks'.)They can manufacture bomb blasts in their offices and see the destruction and sorrow firsthand of the result of Terrorists bombs. Then they will have a better understanding of how the other half (non-Muslim half) feels. This is completely in line with Hooper's logic of Ramadan, so I am sure they wont have a problem. Once they do, we'll be really convinced of CAIR empathy for the suffering.

lazysusan-

That statement may display, to use your words, "the low level of intellect of CAIR." I actually believe it shows the power that CAIR has achieved in promoting it's Islamic agenda. For me, the really scary part, the truly unfathomable part, is that this statement along with the rest of this Islamic propaganda appears on a US Government sponsored web site via a branch of the Executive Branch of the United States. It's truly an outrage and we should all immediately call our Congressman and Senators and let President Bush as well as Secretary of State Rice know that we do not appreciate the fact that the US government is promoting a radical Islamic hate group as part of State Department Policy.

MJ-

Yes even I do not understand WHY Bush is doing this, allowing this ? Are they really so unaware of what CAIR is ? What is happening to AMERICA, the country of the brave and free people ? It is time to get back to basics. I just want to tell Bush and his team: BE A MAN ! I always thought countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are US's pets...but it starting to look like the other way round now.

Still today most people believe as does the president (I think that's changing) that Islam is the "religion of peace". The President has not used that term in some time now.

This week, President Bush said in a speech that Islam is a "great religion". Nothing has changed.

PS: Mackie, learjet and Cornelius are making judgements based on negative evidence -- i.e., lack of evidence. President Bush "must" understand, like we do, that Islam is a problem, even though he never says so, and even flat-out says Islam is a religion of peace and a "great religion".

I don't think the reasoning that Bush does this in order to cleverly pursue a different covert policy, and/or because geopolitically he doesn't want to play his hand yet and inflame the world Muslims -- I don't think this reasoning explains why he has not given us starving anti-jihadists out in the windy hinterlands here at least some crumbs: Bush could, for example, simply and repeatedly, say:

"While we all know that Islam is a great religion of peace, we can't deny the avalanche of disturbing information that has been pouring in from all over the world that indicates that there are some deep, serious problems growing out of Islamic culture that are on some level nourishing not only terrorist attacks around the globe, but also unacceptable jihadist military violence in various areas, as well as terrible violations of human rights in the name of Islamic law against women, gays, religious and ethnic minorities. We hope that the great religion of Islam can find a way to face these internal problems with courage and conviction, rather than deny them by seeking to place blame elsewhere."

Why can't Bush say something like that a couple of times? Answer: he can't, the dominance of PC Leftism is more powerful than him -- either by forcing him to censor himself, or worse, by having drugged him long ago with their Kool-Ade.

I never knew the depths of Jewish self-loathing until I researched some of the references on this site. I'm Jewish but converted to Christianity as I felt drawn away from the dogmatism and - frankly - fatalism of Judaism's last 200 years.

What shocks me is that many Jews feel the Holocaust was justified due to Jews turning away from God. I've recently learned that others feel the hatred from the Muslims is also a judgement from God.

It makes one realize that without the American evangelical community, we wouldn't have a good old fashioned crusader president and Israel would have no American support.

Just for belated Halloween, here is some scary.
MAJOR TINFOIL BEGIN:
Bush is actually working for the Saudis and the patriot act is a tool for nabbing the ROGUE terror cells (they are not part of the big plan) and people who oppose Islam… NOT the ward Churchill’s and organizational terror cells that are set up to do the big one when ordered to by the umma.
At the prescribed time the ones who are in opposition to Islam will be rounded up by the US gov and liquidated then USA handed over to the caliphate along with all other “western democracies”
All non-compliant nations will then be nuked from the face of the earth.
Get a revolving IP now. BOO!
MAJOR TINFOIL END: happy belated Halloween.

The problem in Canada is that history is not taught and we all have this PC ideology rammed down our throats. Speaking of the Sikh boy who faked a racist attack to get out of wearing a turban. I have spoken with some Sikh's in Canada. Even though I have a lot of friends from India and they know who their enemy is.Some Indian Sikh's here don't know their history and they blame Hindus and Whitey for a lot of their problems. They see Islam as a victim. I also know a lot of minorities sympathize with Islam because they are all taught that whitey is evil and Islam is sort of an alliance of people against whitey. I do find minorities from other countries like India or parts of Africa know their history and they dont fall for this. But ones born here brought up to feel victimized fall for this crap. Islam pretty much attracts people with an inferiority complex. It makes them feel strong. Because it talks about revenge for alleged victimization and it doesnt pull any punches. It makes people who are not strong feel like they are now in command. they feel they got whitey and the joos on the run.

The whole of the Koran is an incitement to religious hatred and violence.

MJ,

You weren't kidding about every anti-Semite's love affiar with "Rabbi" Elmer Berger. I just typed in his name in Google and out came a deluge of Muslim and neo-Nazi sites. What an awful man.

Nice article, Mr. Whitehead. Your insight and backbone are appreciated as you confront the CAIR group and help to expose them for what they truly are.

Muslims in America don't need this group of bullies speaking for them, and neither does anyone else who enjoys peace and freedom.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

igor,

Rabbi Elmer Berger was an awful person, just awful. While the anti-Zionist case could have been made prior to 1933, after that point all anti-Zionist Jews became complicit in the "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem". By forming alliances with the antisemitic State Department
and with the British Foreign Office, these folks denied European Jewry the one place in the world were they could flee Nazi Germany and not be sent back to certain death.
But the very rich Jews such as the Sulzberger family- who, by the way, had a great deal of leverage in having Elmer Berger named to lead The American Council for Judaism, were deathly afraid that non-Jews would question their loyalty to the US if they supported Zionism. They were aghast that it might hit them in their pocket books. In addition, the Sulzbergers, along with most other German Jewish families ( the Reform movement being German in origin and run as if no other Jews were welcome, because, indeed, they weren't ) despised the lower class Russian Jews which were the backbone on American Zionism. Of course, the Sulzberger family to this day has no use for Israel and would rather see it disappear lest it reflect badly on themselves. Indeed, Pinch Sulzberger nearly screamed at the top of his lungs a few years back when someone suggested he was Jewish: "I am Episcopalian!"
Once Israel came into existence then the American Council for Judaism was dissolved. How would it look for a group of Jews to be calling for the destruction of the State of Israel? How would look for a group of wealthy American Jews to be calling for the destruction of the only place to welcome the survivors of the Shoah.
Nevertheless, Elmer Berger was not about to stop. He continued promoting the destruction of the State of Israel until the SOB died. May he rot in hell.

With respect to my comment about Bush's position or statements of Islam, I recommend the following books:

"America's Secret War" by Dr George Freidman
"The CIA At War"
"The Secret History of The Iraq War" by Yosseff Bodansky.

There is alot going on behind the scenes that the American public and politicians are aware of.

Peace to those who follow the Straight Path,

pissedoffcanadian wrote: Islam pretty much attracts people with an inferiority complex, and londongirl wrote: The whole of the Koran is an incitement to religious hatred and violence, please read below.
Qur'anic Confirmation of the Ten Commandents:
1)There is but one universal God...47:19
2)No one (or nothing) is like unto Him...42:11
3)Do not use God's name in falsehood in your oaths...2:224
4)Be kind to your parents and address them in terms of honor...17:23
5)Thieves, male or female, are to have their hands cut off, except that they repent and reform. Then God is Forgiving and Merciful....5:38-39
6)Confound not truth with falsehood - conceal not truth - establish worship - seek help in patience and prayer...2:42-46
7)As one kills one person, one kills in effect the whole of mankind...5:32
8)Do not come near adultry for it is an indecent deed, leading to other evils...17:32
9)Do good to your neighbors, (among others)...4:36
10)When summoned to Friday Prayer (Salat Jumu'a) hasten to the rememberence of God. Leaving aside your business (for the time)...62:9

lazysusan wrote: "And those of us who dont do any fast can 'imagine' very well what suffering is. People dont have to experience each and everything in this world, to actually know what it is." I would add that's the difference between thinking and doing. Sitting around and thinking about world peace isn't the same as going over to your neighbor and saying, "Hello!".

It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic.
The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads:
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas
1. Say: He is Allah, the One!
2. Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3. He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.

For those readers and writers who question how long Islam has been around:
Surah 3:84 Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

These are some verses about God by Himself!
Surah 2:255. Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous.
2:256. There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

The Qur'an as God's Word, not a human's word.
"Alif Laam Raa. A book which we have revealed to you (Muhammad) so that you may lead the people from out of the darkness into the light by their Lord's leave to the path of the All-Mighty, the Praiseworthy." [Qur'an 14:1]
sheikyer_mami, yes I believe in it, all the way!

May Allah Guide you all and set your affairs in order,
Abdullah

Check out the Campus Watch section of The Middle East Forum established by Daniel Pipes...they
try to monitor the "looney left" on the college campuses.

CAIR might like to know that tonight I bought my latest book to help me understand Islam, the "religion of peace" since I am an opened minded individual, it is called:

"Why I An NOT A Muslim"
by
Ibn Warraq

Ibn Warrag is not his real name which is understandable after the Salman Rushdie affair!

Thanks Abdullah, now if the vast majority of people who call themselves Muslims would put the same amount of energy, into convincing their fellow muslims that Islam is a religion of peace, maybe it would be a religion of peace. but unfortunately all your energies are put into convincing us infidels into believing this crap. Sorry I am not sold.

Abdullah wrote:
"lazysusan wrote: "And those of us who dont do any fast can 'imagine' very well what suffering is. People dont have to experience each and everything in this world, to actually know what it is." I would add that's the difference between thinking and doing. Sitting around and thinking about world peace isn't the same as going over to your neighbor and saying, "Hello!". "

What has fasting during Rammadan or the recent earthquakes got anything to do with world peace anyways ? Btw, fasting is certainly not a exclusive practise of Muslims, it is done by Hindus and Buddhists on various occasions. But since their people dont go around killing people in the name of religion, their conscience is clean...so they dont make stupidly pathetic statements like the one CAIR-Hooper made.

pissedoffcanadian-
good answer.

Abdullah you will not like this but the Bible was written before the Qu'ran. The Bible states clearly and many times that Satan is the "Great Deceiver" as that is his main weapon.
Many aspects of the Qu'ran have been plagerized from the Bible as the Qu'ran is satanically inspired.

Only the Bible contains prophesies and I will name two that have come true recently:
The birth of Israel in 1948
The present War In Iraq

You have been duped, but don't feel bad as many others have also.

Archimedes,
I am completely aware that Islam threatens all political stripes..But I cannot ignore that the left, by arguing things like "terrorism is justified" or pontificating on the evils of the West, they are defacto allies of militant Islam...U mention feminists--but I have heard so many feminists argue that Islamic terrorism is incited by Israel and America--the exact arguments we here from the Islamofacists..If I were u,I would not underestimate the lefts potential to cause us to lose this war, but thanx for your advice
phil

Not only is CAIR anti-freespeech, they are also against another ingrained aspect of American life.

Omar Ahmad, CAIR Co-founder: "Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, "

"Melting" I am sure is an idictment against the melting-pot theory, which basicaly states that immigrants can enrich the total culture with aspects of their own, but must assimilate and abandon negative aspects of said culture that clash with American ideals. Islam does not want the melting-pot because it has nothing to contribute and must abandon its beloved barbaric practices.

Further proof Islam needs Multi-Culturalism to survive in Western states.

Jade~ As an answer to people like nariz and kj, you said it best: they must abandon Negative aspects of their culture.

That's the proper version of multi-culturalism. However that is not the version the Left holds to. They mixed in Moral Equivalency, and MC has gone down the tubes, taking quite a few countries with it- witness France.

phil,
I do agree with you about the left, generally speaking. I just wanted to point out that some people on the left are discovering the truth about Islam, and others know about it already.

We have a lot of educating to do in Canada. After 7/7, I heard a lot of people claiming that our troops should not be in Afghanistan, because this will increase our chances of being attacked. This is absurd. How are we supposed to defend ourselves and our allies if we cannot even deal with the attackers directly? Most Canadians just do not realize that these terrorists are part of a larger network of Islamists that will cite any pretext as an excuse to attack. They're doing this all over the world, in India, Africa, Indonesia--places far removed from Israel of the U.S. They've done this throughout the past 1400 years, before there was an Israel or an America.

This problem of the radical anti-Israel/anti-U.S. left-wing radicals in Universities is dealt with by some groups such as campuswatch, which you may have heard of.

Gary,

could you suggest some other links for phil?

Abdullah, every one of Islam's so-called "Ten Commandments" is contradicted repeatedly throughout the Qur'an. Your clever list is a comedy of ommissions. The parts you omitted change the meaning of each statement.

Islam is the only "religion" that sanctions rape, murder,torture, genocide, slavery, intolerance, hatred, greed, lust; its malevolence is infinite.

Allah is a fictional character and muhammad wasn't a prophet, he was a homicidal, butchering savage, a thief, and an insatiable sexual predator. Believe in Islam if you must but don't expect the mentally stalwart to share your enthusiasm.

Sorry, but since I wasn't weaned on the life and times of muhammad and quotes from the book of hate and death (Qur'an), I could approach Islam with objectivity. It is an Arab fable. To regard it as anything other than pure fiction is delusional. So yes, that means there are a billion give or take a few delusional muslims out there and they make their mighty presence known in a variety of ways, none of which make the world a happier, safer, more pleasant place. Who would want to be a member of the most miserable, restive, resentful, volatile, violent, intemperate, joyless group of people on the planet? It takes considerable resolve to commit oneself to voluntary imprisonment and slavery to a Medieval myth. You may want to get your own affairs in order, and don't count on any help from allah.

Archimedes,

U are correct most Canadians dont see terrorism in the context of the larger Jihad, so, in a sense, they can be excused..

I also heard shameful comments after 7/7, such as we should leave Afghaistan, or we should distance ourselves from the U.S. and Britain..How pathetic.

Anyway I go to Ryerson University in Toronto, and there are others like me at school, but their affraid to speak up for fear of being labled racist..but I hope my outspokeness will encourage them...
phil

Andrew Whitehead (ACAIR) is a man among men, as are RS, HF and a few others. And not to forget the woman among women, RB. Without these people we would be further up sht creek than we realize.
CAIR says AW is not their only antagonist, but he is thier most egregious. 'Egregious', I love that word. AW, RS, HF, RB and others deserve an award for accelerated egregiousness. Shot like an arrow from the bow of truth into the very heart of Islamic falsehoods. Egregiousness used in this manner is good. Anywhere you find it, you find frustrated and confused muslims. Allah invented egregiality and Allah knows best...

to my fellow canadians on this site. I agree most Canadians do not get what a threat terrorism is. I got from a good source the other day that there have been several dry runs conducted by middle eastern men on our transit system here in vancouver. I am telling all my friends not to ride transit in any Canadian city. I am sure sooner or later there will be a bombing. I hope I am wrong or they catch the guys planning this.

May Allah Guide you all and set your affairs in order,
Abdullah

Howdy...................
Set your affairs in order,''
Is what Americans do when they KNOW they are going to DIE SOON so.... thanx.... but no thanx! and stfu yew filthy islamofascist.....Have a nice suicidebombfree day :)Shaiteen ratbastich.We are so angry right at this time.....sorry....poor Indoniesia.Chechneya,Phillipines,Sudan etc etc etc.....nauseating.ISLAM is so dang SICK!!!sick sick sick.We are entirely sick of this......prepare thyself arab...islam .muslim......apologies ,but by 2011 the medium sized nikel-iron chucks shall HAVE TO FALL upon this poor pitifull small planet.Prepare thyself for the foot of GOD.Thankyou and goodbye.

Abdullah,

I would like to expand on (1) Learjet's point that some aspects of the Koran are taken from earlier sources, and (2) Susanp's point that the omissions change the meanings. Let's take verse 5:32 as a case in point.

First, here is the usually-cropped quote:

5:32 “…whoseoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…”

So far, so good. Sounds like a universal proclamation that all human life is highly valuable, and it would be the greatest of crimes to murder one person. Let’s go through the verses 5:32-5:37, complete:

5:32 “For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whoseoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s sovereignty), but afterwards lo! Many of them become prodigals of the earth.”

(1) The verse 5:32 does derive from earlier sources.

In context, the decree doesn’t apply universally to all peoples. The verse refers to the Children of Israel in Biblical history (i.e., prior to the time of Mohammed). Earlier, a poster here “PRCS” gave me this link http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Sources/cain.html . Here we find that the good part of the verse is actually of Jewish origin, predating the Koran. This excerpt speaks for itself:

“When we turn to another Jewish record - the Mishnah Sanhedrin, we find the link between the story and what follows:

“We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, "The voice of thy brother's bloods crieth" (Gen. 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race.”
Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5

"Here is a passage from the Mishnah! The Mishnah is a Jewish commentary on the Torah. How did a Rabbi's commentary make its way into the Qur'an and be quoted as word from Allah? Simple, Muhammad had heard these teachings from the Jews, and repeated them later as he recited "revelation".

"Because the word for blood is in the plural in Gen. 4:10, an ingenious Rabbi invented the supposition that all Abel's offspring had been killed with him which signified that any murder or life-saving act had universal implications. Clearly Muhammad had no knowledge of the source of the theory set out in the Mishnah but, in hearing it related, simply set out the Rabbi's suppositions as the eternal decree of God! Just think, some Jewish Rabbi's thoughts now are comprised in the Qur'an!”"
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Sources/cain.html

(2) Omitting parts of the verse changes the meaning of the verse.

Now, the argument a defender of Islam might make here in light of (1) is, So what? Islam and Judaism have a common source, Allah, and it was Allah that guided the rabbi in his commentary, and then guided the prophet Mohammad with a more “correct” version. This more correct version, intended for Muslims, has an addition not found in the earlier source. (Hugh pointed this out). That main addition is the “corruption in the earth” exception. (We don’t need to deal with manslaughter here).

Killing someone for “corruption in the earth/land” is permitted (see 5:33). “Corruption in the land,” the phrase that apologists typically remove (or hope people just gloss over), refers to the un-Islamic life-ways of non-believers. I should point out that I am not the first to observe this (e.g., see http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/001351.html ; also, Ibn Warraq does not believe it is a verse either). The Koran says that simply by being present together in a group, disbelievers cause confusion and corruption in the land (8:73). Corruption in the land, or corruption/mischief on earth, is a huge category of offences, violent or non-violent, that significantly go against Islam. (google “corruption on earth” and “death penalty” to get an idea of the range of offences considered to fit the category today in some Islamic countries. These crimes can include everything from criticizing Islamic traditions, to participating in a porno movie, to highway robbery, to destroying buildings). War against God is also the same kind of huge, flexible category that could include anything significantly against Islam. A more direct question is simply, what did Mohammad consider acceptable killing? We know from the Islamic texts (Koran, Hadith, Sira) that he had critics and satirical poets assassinated
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/free_speech.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm
If this is acceptable killing in Islam, why should anyone take 5:32 seriously? How can this be a peaceful verse if it allows Muslims to kill anyone simply for doing or saying anything against Islam?

Let’s continue….

5:33 “The only reward for those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;”

Certainly, 5:33 clarifies the penalties. Those who wage war against Allah and cause corruption in the earth will be killed, dismembered, or banished. (The penalty would depend on the severity of the transgression against Islam).

5:34. “Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

Those who surrender and submit their allegiance to Allah will be saved. (Keep in mind that Mohammad was, and encouraged his followers to be, ever wary of hypocrites—those who are merely pretending to submit themselves to Allah. Also keep in mind that the Koran states that captives should not be taken until a slaughter has first been made (8:67). Allah cannot be very merciful if some people must be slaughtered before they have a chance to repent).

5:35. “O ye who believe! Be mindful of your duty to Allah, and seek the way of the approach unto Him, and strive in His way in order that ye may succeed.”
5:36. “As for those who disbelieve, lo! If all that is in the earth were theirs, and as much again therewith, to ransom them from the doom on the Day of the Resurrection, it would not be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful doom.”
5:37. “They will wish to come forth from the Fire, but they will not come forth from it. Theirs will be a lasting doom.”

Disbelievers are anyone who doesn’t believe in the one Allah (with no partners or rivals), Mohammad’s validity as a prophet, and the eventuality of the Last Day. The disbelievers are all non-Muslims, including non-religious people generally, anyone who strongly questions or criticizes Islam, and generally people of all other religions (including Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.). They are doomed to hellfire, and there is nothing that can be done about it—except, of course, to convert to Islam exclusively, before it’s too late.

The worst possible sin is disbelief in or denial of Allah 10:17, 11:18-19, 18:15, 32:22. Disbelief or turning away from Allah is a persecution worse than warfare (2:217) or slaughter (2:191). Killing is only a crime (i.e., murder) when one of Muslim mankind is the victim (4:93). (More precisely, taking the rest of the Koran into account, the sanction only clearly protects strict, Koran-adhering Muslims, or “single-minded slaves of Allah”; many verses suggest that weak, casual, or mere nominal Muslims may not be protected. This is strongly suggested by Sura 9). Nowhere does the Koran say that disbelievers should not be killed, except where there are benefits to Islam to keep the disbelievers alive. They could be spared as slaves to be bought or sold; they could become dhimmis; they could be ransomed; women could be taken forcibly as wives or sex slaves. Some people could be protected by treaties with the Muslims, but these treaties could be broken at any time by Mohammad (e.g., see 9:1-17) if this served the larger goals of Islam (see below).

Disbelief is the biggest crime. Killing disbelievers in itself is not a crime at all. This is confirmed in Tabari, e.g., “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us…” Tabari IX:69. In fact, many verses in the Koran order the killing of disbelievers (4:76, 4:89-91, 8:12, 9:41, 9:5, 61:11, etc.). Believers must honour their duty to Allah and fight the disbelievers in battle, or be punished in hell (2:216, 8:15-16, 9:39).

Quoted properly with the understanding of the context, and, indeed, the overarching message of the Koran, 5:32 was never intended as a sanction against the killing of disbelievers. Remember the ultimate goal of Islam. This must always be kept in mind. The ultimate goal is to kill/convert/subjugate all disbelievers until all religion is for Allah 2:193, 8:39. Allah sent Mohammad (and his followers) to conquer all other religions (9:33, 48:28, 61:9).

Conclusions:

1. The good part of verse 5:32 is derived from earlier Jewish sources. Mohammad has added the “corruption on earth” exception, which destroys the original concept.

2. Even if we assume the verse is authentic, corruption on earth is so broad a category that almost anything that disbelievers do that is judged to be significantly “against Islam” could be used as grounds for administering the harsh penalties--including death--described in 5:33. Therefore, 5:32 is of no worth to non-Muslims and should not be presented as as if it were a good verse.

Abdullah,

You cited the good part of 5:32 as a commandment like "thou shalt not murder."

7)As one kills one person, one kills in effect the whole of mankind...5:32

It is clear from the previous analysis that the whole verse 5:32, taken in context, allows the killing of disbelievers if they do or say something against Islam. Verse 4:93 prohibits Muslims from killing other Muslims. There are no verses in the Koran that explicitly prohibit Muslims from killing disbelievers. Therefore, 5:32 doesn't qualify as what most people would consider a commandment against murder.

Abdullah,

Sorry. This sentence in the long posting

Ibn Warraq does not believe it is a verse either

should say

Ibn Warraq does not believe it is a _good_ verse either

How come being called Infidel is not considered rascist?

Ok so let me get this straight, instead of sending medical supplies, medics, food, choppers, rescue teams, and food, we should all fast instead? To show our what, calliousness that these people need help and by acting out their sorrow and misfortune we are not going to accomplish anything. Sounds like jumping on the earthquake help wagon with no bags and a nice fat helping of sympathy. I guess that counts as a contribution, if that is all you can give.

Archimedes,

Good posts concerning 5:32.

I did not know that Melanie Phillips had addressed this.

Abdullah's post raises what I believe is a central problem:

Has he intentionally omitted that 5:32 material which renders his assertion false, or is he ignorant of that material? Is he in denial? Does he know it's history, context, or intent?

And more troubling, as the president has cited in several of his recent speeches, the same excerpt that Abdullah has here, is there no one on his staff willing to tell him that he's wrong?

Or how about his Mulim friends Hamid Karzai and Pervez Musharoff. How about his pastor? I'll bet they have his phone number, and his ear. And what about Laura, the former librarian.

Surely someone within his circle of trusted friends, advisors and family knows the truth.

Archimedes~ as you wish!

Sites specific to the subject:

http://www.thefire.org/

http://www.campus-watch.org

http://www.historytextbooks.org/

Sites with a broader range but related:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/index.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/

http://www.townhall.com/

Several of these sites also reprise Mr. Spencer's material.

Missed one!

http://www.memri.org/

And of course, any of the several score links on the left side of the main page here.

Gary,

Thanks!

PRCS,

All of these problems regarding 5:32 are indeed disturbing. Assuming that knowledgeable apologists know everything about 5:32 that we do, we have warrant to believe that Islamic apologists are deliberately deceiving the public. And the media are complicit "useful idiots" in the deception. That this (cropped) verse is trotted out in the mainstream media after every major terrorist attack is particularly galling, a brazen mockery of the victims of such an attack.

We need to educate the unsuspecting public as to what it really says.