American White Supremacist David Duke: My Country Is Also Occupied by the Zionists

I guess my previous comment was over the top, my apologies but he still needs to go down.

This guy has been pushing this in the ME for several years now. Is the US government not keeping tabs on him?

The bastard is also on Radio Islam:

http://www.radioislam.org/duke/16.htm

So, maybe the State Dept. will notice that his passport's expired since he left the country and pull a Rabbi Kahane on him? Nah, probably not. I lead a rich fantasy life, though.

People - and I use the term loosely - like David Duke make me think that Arouet was, at the end of the day, a bit of a twit.

I will refrain from stating "anything over the top" in this forum, but WHAT THE HELL QUALIFIES AS TREASON ANYMORE? Tolerance of treason commited by Duke or anyone else is immoral, illogical, and, ultimately, suicidal! Clearly, he is providing aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. I can only fantasize that someone will "anything over the top" the pathetic, dhimmi twerp Duke before he provides any more aid and comfort to those who would kill us.

If the "zionists" controlled the mainstreammedia why is sit backing all the hate America surrender monkeys (Abu Ghraib, Cindy Sheehan etc.)

What puke Duke is likely trying to infer is that we are controlled by "joos"and "neocons" - consonant with the Jew and Christian hatred in Islam.

the puke in a suit is still a Quisling fool.

Yeah, the Zionist control the American media. Like that Arab Muslim "Zionist" that just bought 10% of FOX News.

Gary, why are you so hard on Rep. Duke (R-LA)? LOL... he got 43% of the vote when he ran for governor of Louisiana... if just 4% had switched sides, oh my. Lucky for us that Bush Sr. and other republican luminaries were begging the GOPers of Louisiana to vote for the Democrat.

Still, it is important to consider that had a mere 4% not heeded Bush Sr.'s advice to vote against their own party's nominee this is the guy that would have been the governor of Louisiana.

So now the skinheads and Nazis like Islam? What a surprise. Maybe Duke and FarraKlan can share a room in Hell.

I can distinctly remember the lame-ass posers that claim to be "bikers" up until the early nineties, HATED "rednecks." And I mean, hated them. (Recall what happened to the boys in "Easy Rider.")

Now it seems their mutual hatred of a certain highly carboniferous segment of American society has driven them into each others' arms. It is very common now to see bikers with Confederate Flags, and to see Rednecks with Harleys. Nice.

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That's a good question, libbysmom. IF they Joooz control everything, then why don't they assassinate Al-Aryan, David Duke, Pat Buchanon, Ralph Nader, Amy Goodman, Mahathir, and Bashir? Funny that Muslims can assassinate Kahane, and no one seems to care. Oh, that's right. Kahane didn't like Muslims, so no big whoop.

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Duke needs to remember one thing: every move he makes, everything he says, every where he goes, someone is watching him.

I'm hard on All scum, kj. That's why I have so much trouble with nariz.

seems like them rednecks in La. wouldn't like arabs any more than they like Jews and any more than they like.... well, you know who.

this guys like the steve earle of politics

You know, I've heard about this odd connection between jihadists and groups like the Aryan Nation, and I have to say, it completely baffles me. Granted, I'm no expert on either group, but I just don't get it. I mean, let's face it, the racial make-up of their memberships are not exactly overlapping and I can't believe the Aryan Nation wants to live under Sharia Law. In fact, I wonder how many Aryan Nation members are Muslim; I would bet just about zero.

I've always thought that Hitler claimed to want a super-race composed of the genetically strong existing under a superior social structure... or at least I'm sure that's the picture the present-day neo-Nazi's would like to paint. (Let's just ignore for a moment the fact that the Third Reich was really all about the basest of motives - power, envy, and hate). What is it that David Duke and those like him see as superior about Islam?

David Duke complains about the American media being controlled by Jews, but is he really saying he prefers the media to be controlled by the likes of the Taliban? (And if it is, so what? I don't hear him complaining about laundry businesses being controlled by the Chinese.)

And, if the American media is controlled by Jews, why is the same media always sypathetic to the Palestinians? And if the government is controled by Jews, why is it that Joe Lieberman was the first person of Jewish faith to make it on the ticket as vice president?

Maybe it's a waste of time to even try to figure any of this out, but if anyone can point me to a little history or insight into this, I'd appreciate it. It may not make sense, but I have a feeling it's dangerous.

This one made me laugh. HIS COUNTRY? Who in the hell does Duke think he is? If I'm not mistaken, my people were here long before his (I'm cherokee). But then again, that's what happens when you support islam. You lose brain cells at an ever increasing rate. God bless all those in the west, and in America, with the exception of muslims, and those idiot "white supremacists." They're satan worshippers just like muslims.

Bill Carson;

I imagine they both view each other secretly as useful idiots. With the arrogance of "superiority" they both ooze, I'm sure the Nazis are trying to keep the grin on their face while they talk about their solidarity with the Islamists, all the while consoling themselves with visions of what they'll do to these "other dirty semites" once the real Jews are out of the way.

As for the Muslims, they have their own plans for these filthy infidels too. They may be useful now with their Jew-hating ways but, hey, sorry, an infidel's an infidel. They are fairly belligerent in their cute little skinhead way, maybe we can use them for janisseries.

t-ham:

Your explanation is certainly the only one that makes any sense to me... the enemy of my enemy is my friend... and they'll deal with the rest later.

Of the two, I have to say the neo-nazis are definitley the bigger idiots. Unlike the Islamists, they really don't have any end-game.

It’s amazing to me that the major news media (and even Hollywood) has done so little to educate the general public on the true violent & intolerant nature of Islam, and this in spite of the fact that the major news media (and Hollywood) ARE mostly owned & controlled by people of Jewish ancestry (even if not devoutly practicing). Where are the CSPAN talk shows, debates, discussions on what the Koran really says, on the claim of Islam as a “religion of peace”, and about its incompatibility with democracy? Where are movies about Muslim terrorists, especially ones that go into their Koranic support? Why not a movie about Charles Martel and the significance of his victory at Poitiers instead of the PC crap movies about the Crusades? David Duke in a sense has it backwards: IMO the Jews should be doing much more within their power, their power to educate.

Somebody in England had fun parodying Red Ken Livingstone, Lord Mayor of London, and then there appears (below)some actual quotations from said mayor that aren't funny at all, that are indeed sickening, followed by cheerleading by David Duke. I can't tell the difference. Red fascists, White fascist, fascist Muslims, they all appear to me to be pretty much fascists.

http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/2005/08/ken-livingstone-and-david-duke.html

An oozing simpleton-pustule like david duke is normally not worthy of our attention. He and his followers are full of hatred and venom, but are too stupid to be a serious threat to anyone. But when he is spreading anti-American hatred among the very serious enemies of this country and the rest of the civilized world, that should garner some attention from the State Dept. That it apparently has not speaks volumes about those who should be watching out for America's interest.

I'm hard on All scum, kj. That's why I have so much trouble with nariz. Posted by: Gary

You're hard on me Gary? You don't affect my life at all, in fact you don't exist in my life until I see one of your inane and infantile rants.

I don't know why you give me free rent in your head, but I give you none in mine. That You give me free rent means that I own you, and that doesnt' speak well for your emotional state of mind.

Please detail for us exactly why you consider me scum.

Because I'm pro Israel?
Because I'm an Islamophobe?
Both of the above are true.

Or because I'm (gasp) a liberal and a secularist, which it seems is incompatible with your very limited world view of what people can be or should be.

No, nose, because of your Irrational hatred of Christians.

To which I would like to quote Mr. Spencer's own responses to you on various occasions:

Giaour, this handwringing and hysteria about Christianity is amusing, but actually your tu-quoque act is growing tiresome. I do not share your view that Christianity and Islam pose equal threats to decent people, and while I am all for a hundred flowers blooming in the comments field here, I suggest you take it elsewhere.

And you claim that "most conservative Christians and evangelicals are Reconstructionists, if not at the conscious level, at the unconscious level."

This is beyond ludicrous. If you actually think that most "conservative Christians" want to stone blasphemers to death, you betray your utter ignorance of (and fantastic paranoia about) both conservativism and Christianity.

Giaour/Nariz,
Don't hold your breath waiting for me "admit that the Falwells and Dobsons were an immediate threat to the Republic," or that the Christian Right poses a greater threat to the US than the Islamic jihad.

I will not because I do not believe those things.

As for FrontPage being a "Christian 'Restoration' site," this demonstrates the absurd paranoia of your worldview. Horowitz is not a Christian. Nor are many of the people who post there regularly.

Now, as I have asked before, please go away and take your absurdities to a "Christian Restoration Watch" site. Found it yourself if you have to, and you can play your little games there and color all you want. I am trying to do serious work here to fight against a genuine threat to universally accepted notions of human rights, as are enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and elsewhere, and I have had much more than enough of your moral equivalence arguments, which I am coming to see more and more are the single greatest obstacle to people understanding the reality of the jihad threat.

But the jihad threat is real. Your charges are sick and slanderous fantasies. Present your evidence as I requested above, or it will be clear to all that you are just working out some anti-Christian animus, and no one should take you seriously.

As for this statement: "...but the truth is that such is the agenda of the Dominionists, and indeed the Fundamentalists (and those who would if they could)read the works of Rushdoony and Gary North, or google Gary North Christian Reconstruction or Dominion Theology."

I'm sorry to say that I have no idea who these people are. Christianity is much larger than they, whoever they are. And I don't think there is actually any significant Christian movement that would institute stonings, etc. That would go against the grain of virtually every Christian tradition.
You accuse me of rationalizing in defending Christianity. In fact, I see Christianity and Islam as quite different in their orientation toward the world, and your attempts to conflate them evidence of an agenda of your own.

Now go peddle it somewhere else.

t-ham:
You're absolutely right. Both Arabs and Jews are semitic peoples, which gives the lie to the notion of "antisemitism." In Duke's case, he's clearly a hater of Jews. Many Jewish haters are hiding now behind the label "anti-Zionist." That label has given haters of Jews in the West a license to hate out in the open. Duke has seized upon this opportunity. Without the dhimmi Europe, he would have been forgotten by now. He's one ugly re-creation of decades-long Western European idiocy.

Gary, et al:

If you guys are truly sincere, and wish to stand a chance of winning this clash of cultures, of standing fast against Islam, that the west prevails, you guys really need to change your tune, and slim down your "hit list of enemies".

At least once a day someone posts, "why doesn't the left get it"? And when you guys aren't lashing out against Islam you are lashing out against non Muslims, your fellow citizens who just might be more secular inclined, more "liberal" or "left" than you.

You have two culture wars going on, one without (Islam) and one within (liberals), and I've said it a hundred times, you can't fight and win a war on two fronts, nor can a house divided against itself win.

David Duke is a puke.. an enemy of the left, in fact it was the left that actually fought and struggled against the likes of Duke and his Klansmen. It wasn't right wingers or Christians that were beat up, marched on Selma, or were buried in a dam in Mississippi it was leftists..yep, them damn liberals, whom the Klan called "outside Jewish agitators".

Oh you iconize the left, so long as it is in Europe, even homosexual leftists like Pym Fortuyn. Leftists like Orianna Fallaci, VAn Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, become your hero's (so long as they are in Europe) but here at home, you guys (and those divisive scabs at Front Page and Town Hall) alienate, demonize and hurl accusations and epithets at liberals (aka the left) and do your very best to drive these well meaning people into the Camp of Mohamet.

Why?

DC Watson posted a comment, essentially that this is one nation under (HIS)God, and that us secularists should get over it. Well what seperates him from a Muslim (this liberal wants to know) that also is waging it's own Jihad to make this one nation under their god).

Am I the liberal so suppose to choose, between the lesser potentially oppressive force. Oh but the Christian Right is not oppressive, after all it doesn't behead and stone like the Muslims.

But it did stone and burn at the stake, infidels and heretics, until it lost it's power, and there is fear that it will again if it regains that lost power.

And the rhetoric of it's spokesmen, it's own "Imam's" doesn't help a bit.

Pat Robertson claimed that Florida suffered devastation from hurricanes because it was too "liberal" with gays and feminists.

And a Pakistani Mullah said the same thing recently as regards his country, "it was not sufficiently Muslim".

Anyone for a truce, and some honest communication, all we are doing is empowering the Islamists with this divisiveness.

Build bridges.. don't burn them.

Nor should they be Undermined, by attempting to get people to believe that Christians are mind-numbed robots, nose. Fight your bogus war with Christianity After the Real war is won.

No, nose, because of your Irrational hatred of Christians.

You are infantile because you use childish epithets like calling people "nose".

It appears to me Gary, that your real agenda and motivation has nothing at all to do with the threat of Islam, but just find JW/DW as another venue for your own personal Jihad..against "liberals" and "leftists"

You certainly don't believe that you need allies, that you have all the might and right, logic, and arguments that you need to win the war all by yourself, and you prove it by your repeated attempts to alienate people, to turn potential allies into enemies. Which is another indication of your immaturity and self righteous (muslim like) attitude.

And no I do not have an irrational hatred of Christians, in fact I don't hate Christians at all, if I did I would be rolling in self loathing, because although I am an Infidel, I am admittedly a Christianized infidel.. in the words of Orianna Fallaci as she spoke to the Pope.. A Christian Atheist.. it is my culture and my upbringing.. and I still put up Christmas Trees, and play Handels Messiah, and I have an emotional attachment to the Latin Mass, Hymns and Gregorian Chants.

Giaour/Nariz, Don't hold your breath waiting for me "admit that the Falwells and Dobsons were an immediate threat to the Republic," or that the Christian Right poses a greater threat to the US than the Islamic jihad.

I will not because I do not believe those things.

And therein lies a problem, it is one of perception. The Falwells, Dobsons and Robertsons do pose a threat to our great Republic, as to whether it is equal to the Muslims is another story.

One can be Christian, and have Christian Values, and love they neighbor, without being an intolerant, right wing extremist who seeks to impose (as their real agenda) their own version of "Shari'a".

You and Robert may not believe such things, but the fact of the matter is that many do, including allies in the war to preserve WEstern SECULAR DEMOCRACY, from theocratic Islam.

Perhaps you suggest that all liberals just roll over an die, and accept one form of theocracy in lieu of another.

Religion goes over the edge when it becomes Political, and the problem with Islam (and the Christian Right) is that they are precisely that...political.

Do you really want liberals to join you in defense of the west against Islam? Then cool it, tone it down and stop the self righteous bloviating.

Here is a website you should peruse.

Go to the bottom where the links are and read the links to Religous Fanatics and Politics. But then don't stop there, read his excellent links on Islamofascism (and also his denunciation of Atheists), and finally if you peruse the site you might notice that he has two articles on Daniel Pipes which he lauds as an American Hero.

We need some common sense here, some cool heads, not Islamic like religious self righteous paroxysm.

And maybe it is time for you to get on board, grow up, stop acting like the Muslim and start building bridges instead of burning them.

Nor should they be Undermined, by attempting to get people to believe that Christians are mind-numbed robots, nose. Fight your bogus war with Christianity After the Real war is won. Posted by: Gary

Did I ever say or infer that Christians are mind numbed robots.. Meanwhile check over this site, the links at the bottom Especially the links to Religious Fanatics and Politics. But before you go denouncing him without reading him read his links to Help an American Patriot under attack by Islamists: Daniel Pipes
And a Salute to Daniel Pipes

And if you don't know anything about Dominionist, it is because they don't call themselve that, but there ideology and agenda is ensconsed in the Council For National Policy, the AEI, and even the Baptists.. They are, but they don't realize it, like being a Commie, by sharing it's agenda and values, without knowingly joining the party, or being a skinhead by sharing it's values without joining the party, or being an antisemite without joining an antisemitic movement.

It is the values and agenda that are relevant, now read his links, like Christianity in America
(Bear in mind that he is a Deist, and also an "Islamophobe" as well as very strongly Pro Israel.

How about The Royal RAce of the Redeemed

As Loflin states, Christians are Dominionists, without realizing it, as that ideology has been adopted by and pervades the Council for National Policy.

When I posted him on another forum a few years ago, I had to contend with the spurious ad hominem, that Mr Loflin was a Jew, not that such matters, but in some venues.."well he is a Jew" is used as an ad hominem, just as it is hurled at Mr Spencer.

And you have your own ad hominem don't you Gary "A Christian Hater" because you are adverse to any self examination or enlightment.

All I want is a cessation to this destructive internal culture war, which benefits no one at all, but the Muslim.

nazis and islamofascists have always been tight--for example:the ss hanschar division(made up of bosnian muslims) who faught against serb and jew noncombatants in yugoslavia..they couldn't do so well against anyone who faught back though so they eventually had to disband kinda like saddam's army..

There was also a Croatian Brigade in the Waffen SS
The Croatian Legion

The independent state of Croatia was formed on 10 April 1941, ten days after the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia. Croatia being the chief beneficiary annexed Bosnia and Herzegovina, which is a Muslim state. Its founder was Ante Pavelic, political leader of the Ustasha party, which had nationalistic, catholic and anti-Serb policies. During the Russian campaign, Croatians volunteered to fight alongside Germany. A Croatian Legion composed of three infantry battalions was formed, two raised at Varazdin, and the other one formed of Bosnian Croats from Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina.
In addition the legion had a staff company, an anti-tank company and a heavy weapons company, later an artillery group, with three batteries of 105mm guns, was added. The legion was designated as the "Verstarken Kroatischen Infanterie Regiment 369" (369th Croatian Reinforced Infantry Regiment). Reinforced because the regiment had its own artillery, beyond the regular issue infantry guns.

The Croatians wore German Uniforms with a Chessboard shoulder badge with the word "HRVASKA" (CROATIA).
Croatian and Bosnian Muslim troops were some of the most fanatical Nazi troops at Stalingrad, fighting in the famous Croat Legion made up of Croats and Bosnian Muslims from Sarajevo.

Well! this is a very interesting debate between Nariz and Gary. I imagine my response, below, will partly please and partly offend both (tough to be all things to all people).

(In support of Gary)
Nariz - the reason many JWers are also anti-Leftist, is that Left is clearly the founder of multiculturalism - a sacrificial philosophy that prevents us from rejecting extreme Islam in the strongest terms. So people of truth and conscience don't need to ally with Leftist, who are willing to soil their own country in pursuit of "fairness" for the killers and despots. All ways of life are NOT created equal. All moral codes are NOT equal.

(In support of Nariz)
Gary - I would have to agree with Nariz that Christianity and Islam are both forms of Mysticism, which rely on magical circumstances for their arguments of ethics and politics. We speak of Muslim "shame" a stronger version of the Christian's "original sin". Muslims bleed themselves with chains during Ramadan, a more potent version of Christian "penance". The correlations could go on and on, but you get the idea.

That being said, I prefer the company and philosophy of Christians like Gary, over Socialists, any day of the week. Freedom is paramount.

I consider myself a loyal JWer. I understand the big message of this site is that of Islam and its horrible consequences. I therefore will rarely deconstruct Christianity, except where an aspect of religion in general is pertinent to the root causes of Islamic insanity, a topic for which I have great interest. You can't convince a man that putting hand grenades in children's toys is a Moral Duty by appealing to their reason, true?

For Gary and other christians on the site, I hope you are happy to see that I can be secular and conservative at the same time.

I will try my best to stick to the topic. Once the islamic threat is over (i.e. - never), we can go back to considering the possible drawbacks of religion in general, to human freedom and dignity.

If anyone really thinks I hurt the cause in some way by being against all religion, feel free to post, and I will read it.

VoiceOfSkippy:

In "The Prince" Machiavelli argued that religion was a key compenent in making the Roman Empire great, and furthermore, a necessary component of future great empires. From what I can tell, Machiavelli was about as pragmatic as they get.

I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that when religion runs politics, progress suffers (e.g. stem cell research). But I think there's an equally valid argument that religion plays an important role in the strength of nations.

I've got some Darwinian ideas about the reason for this (success being based on superior propogation, not superior attributes), but I'll save that for another time.

VoS~ Balance is all I ask. You've got it. My only Real argument with nariz is this idea that some illuminutti somewhere is going to snap their fingers, and any or all good Christians will leap to the attack. I have a worry about people who consider one's belief in a Higher power as some kind of disorder- that's pretty much the kind of thinking they used to denigrate the Jews in people's eyes about 70 years ago... and I rather hoped we'd put a stop to that ever rising again, 60 years ago.

Nariz - the reason many JWers are also anti-Leftist, is that Left is clearly the founder of multiculturalism - a sacrificial philosophy that prevents us from rejecting extreme Islam in the strongest terms. So people of truth and conscience don't need to ally with Leftist, who are willing to soil their own country in pursuit of "fairness" for the killers and despots. All ways of life are NOT created equal. All moral codes are NOT equal.posted by voiceofskippy

Multiculturalism is a tool. Like a hammer. It can build and tear down, it can protect and destroy.

Multiculturalims is really not a sacrificial philosophy of the left, it actually goes way back to the needs of immigrants to be respected. like the Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe, and non immigrants brought here against their will (blacks).

Unless you are White Anglo Saxon Christian,not Irish, not German, not Jew the chances are that multiculturalism benefited you, by providing protective cover to your ancestors.

But a creation of the "left", well maybe instead of being intellectually lazy, you should sit down and clearly define the left (as you see it).

In the 1960's the Politically Correct Leftists, were those (mostly Jewish) activists and freedom riders who fought for civil rights for all.. one of which was murdered by the KKK and buried in an earthen dam, another of which (an Italian woman I think) was ambushed and shot while ferrying blacks home from a Freedom Rally.

Clear this up for me. Multiculturalism and political correctness was just fine and dandy 30 40 ears ago, but is now "politically incorrect" since the rise of the right (again). Meaning the election of 1982, Ronald Reagan. And the resurgence in racism, intolerance and bigotry

Is that what you are saying?

Now if you want to take Islam head on, then do it on their own basis. They do not accord women, minorities, other religions respect, equality thus by their own lights they are and should be denied that which they deny others.

Let a person, ideology, religion be judged by, and accorded treatment by his, her it own standards.

"That which another would do to you, do you also unto them".

"you guys (and those divisive scabs at Front Page and Town Hall) alienate, demonize and hurl accusations and epithets at liberals (aka the left) and do your very best to drive these well meaning people into the Camp of Mohamet."
-- from a posting above

Who are "you guys"?

Good responses - I will try to expand some points just a bit, have some chores to do....

Bill Carlson - I agree that in a pragmatic sense, non-muslim religions are another "tribal" rallying point, and therefore have a short term machiavellian, tactical advantage. Religion is still sexier than reason to the masses.

Of course, we also have the long term experience of how "my God is bigger than your God" has worked out in history, lol.

I was probably just speaking hypothetically, that a rational culture would have the same strength of character as say, the evangelical christians, to know right from wrong, and to rise up as a body to fight "evil". We may be only about 500 years from having such a culture. So for now, I would have to admit that Christianity is a beneficial force in the fight against Islamism, except that Christians are divided - we have the "turn the other cheek" Christians, and the St. Augustine "Just War Theory" Christians. I think you can tell I am rooting for the Augustinian camp.

And I would have to disagree Bill, that its about superior (technological and inventive)attributes, not propagation. It is not just our hardware and computers that make the West great - the Despot states can buy our advanced weaponry, but do not have the business processes to project that power in any sustained way. Look at the logistic advances the US made between Vietnam and the Iraq war - we used to fly "sorties" with a general flight plan, now we know and account for most everything we will encounter along the way, BEFORE we even leave.

Just a quick note - it is freedom, whose root cause is Reason, that protected our immigrants, not multiculturalism. If arabs want to come here and eat dates, and not apples, whoop de doo, right? Multiculturalism is rooted in Skepticism. In Skepticism, the basic refrain is "who are we to judge?" Well, we are the only ones who CAN judge well, as long as rationality is the guide.

LOL, I won't open up another can of worms in discussing Skepticism and its futility, because I would have to type my fingers off....

But for those of you that have access to, ahem, file sharing services, do a search for an MP3 called......

"Global Balkanization"

- it is VERY pertinent to this clash of cultures, and the topic of multiculturalism, whether you are on the Left or Right. Please trust me that you won't be disappointed if you seek it out.

And let me make a distinction - when I use the term "Leftist" I am talking about your Hugo Chavez variety Socialists/Communists, not the USA democrats, who are far to the right of many cultures. Our democrats are probably similar to French ultra conservatives, so sorry if I made "Leftist" sound like its mild cousin, the democrat. Democrats are quite tolerable, I'm dating one now. :)

It is interesting that the State Dept has not taken any action against David duke for any illegal or seditious acts against the United States.

What I see as dangerous in duke's remarks is that he is trying to preempt [or being used to try to preempt] any future military action against Muslim terrorists/jihadists anywhere on the grounds that any such action is a war for Israel. Well, Spain has had a pro-Arab policy since the early days of the Franco regime. And look at what happened in Madrid on 3/11. Moreover, Saudi Arabia has received huge sums in disguised foreign aid from the USA, UK, and France in the form of tax credits to their own oil companies for oil purchases from Saudi Arabia [and other Muslim oil exporting states].

So the Arab/Muslim/jihadi attacks on the West are not because of Israel, nor is resistance to such attacks "a war for Israel." But duke [apparently somebody's instrument] is trying to discourage any such future action.

those needing examples of the "left", like most things there are various strains of left. most conservatives dont mind being called a conservative, but liberals tend to be threatened by beling called liberal, in the U.S. that is. The Democratic party is being hijacked by an extreme left that does not want see a positive outcome in the US, particular the war in Iraq, and GWB. You have to send a kid to college or go there yourself to see how truly unhinged the left has become. the left lets everyone know they are for open mindedness, pro choice etc., that is until you disagee with them. They have become anti-Amer, anti Western values. Another example is the charges by the lawyers trying to defend islamic terrorists in US custody, camp Gitmo,etc. If you disagree with the global warming thrend, back in the 70-s you had the ice age, now its global warming which might turn into an ice age, they got to cover all things. these left loonie hollywood actors trying to tell you to drive one of those suicide hybrid cars, as they travel to and from
private jets...do you need more examples of the left.. like Rush said. keep a few left professors
in schools to remind you how foolish and dangerous they could be in kept in large numbers..(l am paraphrasing this of course! lol)..and David Dukes is one of the few like Calypso Louie (farrakan) to remind us how dangerous these morons are if kept in large numbers!

"And I would have to disagree Bill, that its about superior (technological and inventive)attributes, not propagation. It is not just our hardware and computers that make the West great - the Despot states can buy our advanced weaponry, but do not have the business processes to project that power in any sustained way."

VoiceOfSkippy:

We may not disagree. As a general rule I agree that it's all about superior attributes. The general premise seems to be that superior attributes lead to superior numbers/propogation.

But, here's the problem I see in assuming that this applies 100% of the time. As long as there's an inverse relationship between education and birth rate, and immigration is allowed to go unchecked in technologically advanced societies, these societies run the risk of imploding. This is what I mean by superior propogation winning out over superior attributes. In fact, I think this is a key aspect of muslim expansion throughout its history. Islam never wins by superior attributes, it wins by superior propogation, whatever the means.