CAIR defames me again

C.a.i.r. Terrorists need to be shipped back to Cairo.

Who did this?
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10100.shtml
Who did this?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Surely CAIR will only succeed in sending more people to this website ? CAIR are not very bright, the photoshop hijab incident was pretty funny.

I am pondering whether the reply to CAIR should quote McAuliffe or Sarkozy: "nuts" or "scum."

Free publicity.

Great Job Islam is doing in DARFUR!

Won't be long till Cair sends the Muslim Janjaweed after you too, Robert.

islam defames all unbelievers.
http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html

Boris:

Hoo, boy. Wait till fearless leader hears about this. Natasha, we must stop Moose and Squirrel (aka Robert and Hugh).

Natasha:

But Boris, Moose and Squirrel are just quoting Fearless Leader.

Boris:

They are? Well, that's not allowed!

Hahaha!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Thanks Caroline, this one is really good!

"The Washington-based council said the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in American society prompts some individuals to turn their hate-filled views into violent actions."

??? Since when have Christians been beheading Muslims on Al-Jazeera???
I keep forgetting that lying is allowed in Islam for the purpose of tricking the enemies of extremist Islam, that would be the Americans.

Computer
Automated
Islamic
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Islam is an inherently violent faith that must be confronted.

There should be a congressional investigation into CAIR's ties to terrorist groups. They're a bigger threat to national security than Scooter Libby ever was.

CAIR wants us to learn about Islam. I think we are learning:
Muslims are encouraged to lie to unbelievers. Muslims are commanded to wage jihad - which means fighting with the sword.
Muslims have no respect for non-Muslims.

The Justice Department should go after CAIR as a seditious organization. Spreading Islamism while attacking the enemies of Islamism should be considered treason.

This is why we can not let islam get an upper-hand.
"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad

OT
At least 57 dead, 300+ injured in the blasts in Jordan.

Individual CAIR members may be arrested and convicted for various terror-related offenses but as a Saudi-funded organization, CAIR holds an institutional get-out-of-jail-free card as well as an open invitation to WH Ramadan celebrations and other assorted multi-denominational "faith" events.

END THE CHARADE. NAME THE ENEMY. SHUT DOWN THE SAUDI JIHAD MACHINE.

Is Mr. Spencer denying that the "death to islam" posts were being posted on his website? When I tried to get them removed, I was attacked and told by other that "death to islam" should not be removed and that it was good. Who is the leader of this tribe? Yes, Mr. Spencer himself. Mr. Spencer has not condemned the "death to islam" comments one single time. The posts were not even removed until there was a complaint by CAIR.

It should be obvious from the press release that CAIR loves irony:

"The Washington-based council said the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in American society prompts some individuals to turn their hate-filled views into violent actions."

Does CAIR mean that the faithful will (again) use demonstrably-true factual statements about Islam and its (false) prophet as a justification for (more) violence against infidels?

"Just yesterday, CAIR urged a Los Angeles synagogue that hosted a speech by Robert Spencer, the operator of a virulently anti- Muslim website..."

So, telling the truth about Islam's "sacred" text, history, theology, and jurisprudence is "anti-Muslim"?

Someone ought to tell Allah!

"...to offer its congregation a more balanced perspective on Islam."

So, CAIR rejects the Qur'an's commands to "...kill the unbelievers wherever you find them," and "Fight against the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] until they feel themselves subdued and pay the jizya"?

Now that's a revelation (unless, of course, they consider "balanced" and "false" to be synonymous)!

"Comments and articles on Spencer's site, which is used as reference by a number of Islamophobic commentators, compare Muslims to animals and Nazis ..."

Interestingly, it was Hitler's mufti, not his pope, who aided and encouraged the slaughter of millions of Jews.

"and portray Islam as an inherently violent faith that must be confronted."

CAIR can't (truthfully) deny the first half of that statement, so it must be the confronting to which they object!

"New comments on that site today include "death to islam (sic)," "islam must be destroyed..destroy islam (sic)," "ISLAM = DEADLY PARASITE," and "Islam IS the NAZISM of our generation."

Certainly, no decent person would advocate murdering innocents, unless of course the "decent" person is Mohammed and the "innocents" are non-Muslims (who can never be truly innocent, since they oppose Allah).

Only two groups of people can deny the innate violence of Islam: those ignorant of Qur'anic Islam's doctrine and practice of the last fourteen centuries, and those who would keep them ignorant until it is too late.

Ah, Ryan... Our C.A.I.R. representative, how are you doing? Plan any suicide bombings recently? How's Jordan?

Who did this?
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10100.shtml
Who did this?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 05:17 PM

Gold Star for you!!!

Just like they keep saying that It has nothing to do with mulsums but??

http://media.putfile.com/French-riots

This shows different!!

How many is it from CAIR who have been arrested for being islamic terrorist??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
Mr Spencer you don't think my prayer is the cause to destroy all islamic terrorist

If that is so how can they be mad After Tuki al Falzial said yesterday the islamic terrorist are a cult not normal mulsums??

and even tukei wants to work to destroy these monster so what is wrong with American Mulsums??

I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website.

I would like to cordially invite the employees of the Council on American Islamic Relations to please pay close attention to this site over the next few days.

I am working on researching a few items and will put them together into essay format. Once this piece is published, all eyes will be able to see exactly who the true hate speech is coming from.

Ryan:

I removed them when I saw them.

I remove all such when I see them, and that has been the policy all along. Here is evidence:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006235.php

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003015.php

Your insinuation that I approve of such comments is not based on fact. If you believe it is, support your contention with quotations from my own writings.

But you cannot, and CAIR cannot.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

What's in it for them, all this whining? Are they maneuvering to have your tonque cut out and your fingers cut off? Will Congress go along? Will Bush think it's fair? Will Condi wipe the pokers?

Go ahead, get your favorites lackeys in Congress and the White House to open hearings, and introduce the bill - shut up Robert Spencer. This isn't weenie Europe CAIR.

Geez

John Sobieski, PI
The Pedestrian Infidel Blog

ryan, you cretin, read this;

"However, the fact that particular comments remain on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Robert Spencer of the views expressed therein."

The funny thing is CAIR obviously continues to read this site. Their professional whining has no doubt brought additional readers to this site as well! Keep it up CAIR . . .the more you whine about JW/DW, the more you expose the double standard of islam.

CAIR's statements are indefensible and utterly misleading and libelous.

When someone lies about you to another person, that's called "defamation of character". Spoken lies are called "slander" and written or printed lies are called "libel".

Defamation, Libel and Slander

Generally speaking:

Defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm.

In Mr. Spencer's case, this harm is identified as a threat to his security. We've all read the fan mail Spencer has received. CAIR is clearly fanning the flames with this libel.

Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.

Realizing the intolerant nature of Islam through the danger many critics of Islam face,(ie: Theo Van Gogh, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Pim Fortuyn), we can see that damages related to a libel lawsuit to address loss of personal security can be quite pricey .

I say sue.

Perhaps CAIR could give us their moral opinion of this bit of misogyny from the prophet:

"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. " (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari v. 2 book 24, n 541.

As we know, this was a theme with Mohammad:

In the Koran,

Women are treated very badly/unfairly/as inferior (2:191, 2:216, 2:223, 4:3, 4:11, 4:14, 4:15, 4:19, 4:20, 4:24, *4:34, 4:176, 24:31, 63:9, 64:14-15, 70:10).

*4:34 does say “beat” her (or hit, or scourge). Some apologists have tried to weasel out of this by claiming that the Arabic word does not say “beat” or means a light symbolic hitting (Yusufali added the adjective “lightly,” but this is his addition; it is not in the Koran). At least 10 available respectable translations of the Koran say “beat” (or scourge, or hit). In 4:34, beating is the last in a progression of increasing punishments named in 4:34. A discussion of 4:34 and the word “beat” can be found at http://answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm

Women are unclean. If a man has touched a woman at all before prayer time, he must wash up before doing the prayer. If he can’t find water, he should wash himself with dirt (5:6).

Woman’s testimony is worth half a man’s (2:282).

Women (and children and the “feeble”) are unable to devise a plan (4:98).

Wives (e.g., Noah’s and Lot’s) who are false (i.e., show the slightest sign of disbelief in Allah) to their husbands are to be killed by Allah (66:10). The wives of disbelievers will also be doomed with their husbands (37:22-31).

Allah (Mohammad) may replace wives who criticize their husband (66:5).

Women must wear covering veils except when they are with their immediate family (24:31, 33:59).

On the Last Day, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, and nursing mothers will abandon/forget their infants (22:2).

Disbelievers name the angels with female names (53:27). They invoke in His stead only females (4:117), also see 37:150-153.

Muslim men are permitted to take female slaves for sex (23:6, 33:50), in addition to their multiple wives.

In the Hadith:

Note: Marriageable age in some Islamic countries for females is nine years of age. This follows Mohammad’s pedophilic example, because the age at which he consumated his marriage with Ayesha was 9. (He married her when he was in his fifties and when she was 6; he fantasized about her when she was five. He also was interested in other females, actually infants, who could potentially be his mates. This pattern fits the profile of someone with pedophillic tendencies).

Ayesha said “I have not seen anyone suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” Bukhari. v 7, b 72, n 715 The “green” adjective is in reference to the bruising from the beating.

“He (Muhammad) struck me (Aisha) on the chest which caused me pain.” Muslim, no. 2127. Mohammad’s child-wife Ayesha tells of how the prophet struck her hard enough to cause pain (and an enduring memory of it).

Aisha [who was 9] said, ‘I used to wash semen off the Prophet’s [who was 53] clothes. When he went for prayers I used to notice one or more spots on them.’ Bukhari, vol. 1, book 4, no. 1229-33

Any comments, CAIR?

PREPARED STATEMENT OF STEVEN EMERSON BEFORE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE ON TERRORISM, TECHNOLOGY AND GOVERNMENT INFORMATION SUBJECT - FOREIGN TERRORISTS IN AMERICA: FIVE YEARS AFTER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING
(exerpt)Feb 24 1998

"In particular, the Council on American Islamic Relations and American Muslim Council, as well as others, have sent out emails and internet alerts "warning" their supporters about these hearings this morning. In effect, the message disseminated by these groups was that merely discussing the presence of Islamic radicals on American soil is to be construed as an attack on Islam. The same type of message was issued by Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, spiritual ringleader of the World Trade Center bombing-related conspiracy, when he claimed that his conviction was "an attack on Islam." This type of contrived delusion is but a transparent effort to prevent a free discussion of the threat of militant Islamic fundamentalism in the United States. On Sunday night, an even more incendiary email alert was distributed by the "Free Arab Voice" when it labeled this hearing an "attack on Islam." The Threat to Free Speech and Thought: If not confronted, the efforts by radical Islamic groups such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the American Muslim Council (AMC) to intimidate those who speak out on the threat of militant Islamic fundamentalism poses one of the greatest dangers to the freedoms in American society. In point of fact--elucidated later in this testimony--these groups are actual political wings of radical Islamic fundamentalist organizations. They have defended terrorist groups, terrorist leaders including Hamas chieftain Musa Marzook and WorldTrade Center bombing conspiracy ringleader Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, and the Sudanese terrorist regime currently engaged in a genocidal war against the Christian minority. Both of these groups have sponsored visits in the United States of leading international militants and known anti-Semites (including those who exhorted their followers to kill Jews) and consistently attacked American writers for exposing the threat of militant Islamic extremism. These groups pose a clear and present danger to American freedoms and society, not to mention moderate Muslims around the globe."

more.. http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6453/emerson.html

Well, I think we know who contacted CAIR.

Ryan, the terrorist apologist, writes, "I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website."

So Ryan, buddy, do you visit any of the Muslim websites and monitor their constant Jew-hatred? Do you let hem know that their antisemitism imperils hardworking American Jews?

"Mr. Spencer has not condemned the "death to islam" comments one single time. The posts were not even removed until there was a complaint by CAIR."

Ryan, come on now. You are not dealing with apolagetic morons on this site. We here are not going to apolagize for our "death to islam" comments. We are exercising our right to free speach. And we are also all well aware of the danger Islam poses to this planet. And I'm not only speaking of the people killed by islams "holy warriers" each day. It the human rights violations that scare me the most. I for myself, will have my rifle pryed from my dead hands before I submit myself to live in a land governed by islam...

"On Oct. 13, 2000, CAIR and the AMC sponsored a rally outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington where the speakers led the crowd in a chant: Khybar, Khybar, ya, ya Yahood, jesh Mohammed sofa ya'ud. (Translation: "Khybar Khybar, oh Jews, the army of Mohammed is coming for you.") It is a refrain used by Hamas threatening the annihilation of Jews as was done to the Jewish tribe in Khybar, Saudi Arabia, by Mohammed in the year 628.

At another Washington rally, on Oct. 28, 2000, the AMC's Mr. Alamoudi led the thousands in attendance to chant their support for Hamas and Hezbollah. "Hear that, Bill Clinton, we are all supporters of Hamas," he declared. "I wish they argued that I am also a supporter of Hezbollah." (When the New York Daily News asked about these comments earlier this week, Mr. Alamoudi denied making them, telling the reporter: "You better check your Arabic." When the reporter noted that he had given the speech in English, Mr. Alamoudi replied, "It was in English? Oh my God, I forgot!")

In 1998 AMC, CAIR and AMA hosted a rally at Brooklyn College where Islamic militants exhorted the attendees to carry out "jihad" and described Jews as "pigs and monkeys." In 1999 these same groups, together with MPAC, sponsored a rally in Santa Clara, Calif., where speakers accused Israel and the U.S. of carrying out "a conspiracy" to "kill Muslims." One speaker called for the death of Jews."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=65000531

Carolyn,

The hijab was humorous but I hope everyone scrolls down for the more important point.

...the false prophets and the fruit we know them by.

Women are unclean. If a man has touched a woman at all before prayer time, he must wash up before doing the prayer. If he can’t find water, he should wash himself with dirt (5:6).

Death puts me in a bad mood. Now that that disclaimer has been said. Here are some thoughts and questions about this holy directive.

So dirt is cleaner than a woman. Why do they want to have intercourse with a woman then? Stay with the nice nanny goats, tho I suppose a billy goat will do in a pinch.

Do they scrub their privates (that you're not supposed to look at anyway) with dirt after intercourse to get clean?

You know what Mao said? He who had syphillis? "I clean myself off in the women I'm with."

If CAIR keeps refering to us as unreasonable, why, I just don't know how we'll be able to restrain ourselves from shooting a fat middle-aged Dutchman riding his bicycle down a crowded street on a sunny day, chasing him down and shooting him a few more times, ignoring his pleas for mercy, stabbing him a few times, cutting his throat till his head's nearly off, and then pinning pages of the Bible to his corpse. And then-- you thought it was enough-- shooting a policeman. And then-- there's more-- refusing to feel anything but religious rapture when telling the victim's family "So what!" Yup, I blame CAIR if they continue to malign me and mine. I might have to murder a school full of Russian children, a bus full of Israelis, a nightclub full of Australians, trains full of English or-- and-- Spanish. I'll have to hijack aeroplanes and crash them into office towers. There's no end of the murder I'll have to commit if CAIR keeps saying I'm a bigot and don't think Islam is a religion of peace.

Hey, there's only so much a man can take. So far I've held my temper. But if ever they insult my shoes, well, (bud,) the gloves come off.

from post above by alRyan:

"I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website."

Cleverly misspelling the acronym is a fine 'tell' -- Elsewhere someone pointed out the clever name -- Ryan -- implying a fine Irish lad with shocks of blond hair and clear piercing blue eyes -- Trading on his contempt for us here, assuming that WE'LL assume he couldn't possibly be a Muslim now, could he?

This Muslim apologist, this person solely dedicated to denigrating this site, this prevaricating self appointed "Protector of the Faithful, loyal "hardworking" Muslim" may or may not be a Muslim -- I don't really care... But he is either as misguided as the least dangerous Muslim is, or as invidious and sinister as the worst Muslim is...

It doesn't really matter -- I have never seen him condemn a single atrocity committed by a Muslim, or discuss Jihad in any manner -- instead he comes, like several others, to 'engage' in 'dialogue' in order to 'improve' this website -- and then proceeds to lob the most preposterous off topic swill into the threads -- Mysteriously, this site is consistently excoritated as a wellspring of a hatred that will set the world ablaze -- more projection from a closet Jihadist who only wishes this site ill, and will spew the mosts decrepit filth in his efforts to stop us from confronting Islamic Jihad and Islamic fascism...

Great post, sonofwalker! :)

"Death to Islam" is sort of like "War on Poverty." Nobody assumed panhandlers would be shot when LBJ announced the Great Society.

Ryan is reaching. Islam makes no secret of its wish to become the only faith on Earth, violently if necessary.

Were I advising CAIR I'd remind them that Muslim websites are filled with detailed, specific threats against actual people. But I'm not, so please sue away.

http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/subdocs/091003_epstein.pdf

On Oct 7, 2001, CAIR- New York executive Director Ghazi Khankan asked an audience;

"Why is it assumed that Muslims were behind the attack on 9/11? We know at least three people assumed to be hijakers who are alive in the middle-east. The question is, who is impersonating these Muslim names? Who benefits from assuming Muslims are behind this tragedy and who benefits from this tragedy." etcetera, ad nauseum..

pack of liars..they know of 3 of the hijackers
still alive/.

I believe our friend "Ryan" may be Italian.

http://www.portfolio123.com/mvnforum/viewmember?memberid=3230

Europe is burning, Ryan Mancini. Wise up!!!

CAIR: the Turd Pie in the Pool of Man

"So Ryan, buddy, do you visit any of the Muslim websites and monitor their constant Jew-hatred? Do you let hem know that their antisemitism imperils hardworking American Jews?"

Posted by: MJ at November 9, 2005 06:12 PM

At the moment, I think Christians are in much bigger danger than the Jews are - simply because Jews have been dealing with Muslims for a thousand years. Christians don't know the truth.

As for Ryan...

Isn't it a bit suspicious that during the short duration that Ryan stopped writing a while back, Shikrwhatever showed up and posted a bunch of propaganda and then disappeared and then Ryan reappeared? A comparison of IP addresses might be telling.

But seriously, why do you keep coming back if you hate everything here? Don't you have better groups to spy on? The FBI is currently hiring Muslims who can translate Arabic.

(Little hint: I personally alternate between three different computers in two different computer labs when I post here.)

I have often been tempted to end comments, but for a variety of reasons have not done so; and I certainly am not going to do so now, under pressure from this group that has shown so little interest in fairness or true dialogue.

Good! While we should use our good sense when we post, we should never have to worry about being PC. Free speech is America. SLAPP suits (thanks to Beagle, I know a new legal term)should never be allowed to curtail our freedom.

Perhaps CAIR, those paragons of moral virtue, will condemn the recent announcement from Ahmedinejad's Advisor on Foreign Affairs:

“Hassan Abbasi, Head the Center for Security Doctrines Research of the IRGC has become Ahmadi-Nejad's prime advisor on Foreign Affairs. He lately announced, "We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization.””

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20065

Ryan,

Did you ever manage to take your parents to the Hajj?

http://www.somaliuk.com/Forums/index.php?board=1;action=printpage;threadid=1038

RYAN SAID:
Ryan, the terrorist apologist, writes, "I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website."

So Ryan, buddy, do you visit any of the Muslim websites and monitor their constant Jew-hatred? Do you let hem know that their antisemitism imperils hardworking American Jews?

Ryan sounds like a leftist-socialist workers type or Trotskyite. Islam is the only religion the left will stick up for. These commies see Islamic lumpen proletariat (and welfare bums) dragging down the West instead of their much vaunted worker's revolution

back in 03 CAIR got offended by Laura Schlessinger..called her an islamophobic bigot..

"The Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations took offense to remarks made by Schlessinger on Monday's program in response to a mother who asked whether her 16-year-old daughter should take part in a Catholic high school class's field trip to a local mosque. The visit was part of a "moral themes" class that aimed to help students learn how "Muslims are treated" in the United States.

Schlessinger told the mother she should tell the teacher "you are willing to go to the mosque only if it is one that has done its best to rout out terrorists in its midst."

CAIR said Schlessinger "crossed the line from legitimate commentary on terrorism to Islamophobic bigotry."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35767

Robert -
My advice - close the comments section on JihadWatch and don't give anyone attacking you a chance to post comments that would undermine your efforts.

Like Mr. Spencer always says let their book do the talking??

It is not a hate sight but to imform people what is going on do some people get mad because of the hate and all the killing being done in the name of islam today??

I know I do!!

The thing we have seen on TV heard on radio shows from CAIR are excusses like now we here excusses from France and Denile from Framce and mulsums roit in their streets burning their citys there are groups lie CAIR who have intemated all who were left to stand up and warn CAIR's problem is they don't want all this put on one sight were people can come and see it is not just happening to Jews because no Jews live there!!

Again how many CAIR members have been arrested for islamic terrorism??

No not all mulsums are terrorist and Mr. Spencer has never said that that I've heard or read that they were??

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

READ IT AND WEEP FOR THOSE WHO THESE MONSTERS HAVE KILLED BY THEIR BOOK PEAR,BERG,JOHNSTON,HENSLEY,BISLEY,HEAGAN,AND THE LIST GOES ON MANY IRAQIS MEN FROM NEPAL FROM THE PHILLIPENS AND JAPAN AND HOW MANY IN OUR LANDS??

Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD!!

Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’

YES THEY WILL NOT LET THEM BE FREE??

Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”

Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

THIS MEANS WE CAN GIVE NO QUATER??

Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”

EXPLAINS ITS SELF

Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”

THIS IS CAIR AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS THAT HAS BEEN SWADED BY THE MONEY OF TERRORIST??

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

SO TO THEM THE BOMBERS ARE DOING THIS
THIEVERY & SLAVERY:

Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”

Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

SO THEIR BOOK SAYS ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO SLAUTER THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR LAND

Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”

SO HE WAS JUST GREEDY

Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”

SO MO-HAM-OD THOUGHT MULSUMS NOT AS TRUE FOLLOWERS??

Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

THIS IS WHAT THE MONSTERS ARE TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN

Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”

WHO ARE THE PAGANS??

Qur’an 9:12 “If they violate their oaths and break treaties, taunting you for your Religion, then fight these specimens of faithlessness.”

AGAIN WHO ARE THE DISBELIEVERS??

Ishaq:454 “Now that Allah has conferred Islam on us, and made us famous, shall we give them our property? By Allah, we will offer them only the sword until Allah judges between us.’ ‘As you wish,’ said Allah’s Messenger.”

THEY DEFy THEIR gods JUDGEMENT LOOK AT THE 67 WAR IN ISRAEL, ISRAEL DEFEATED 5 ARAB COUNTRIES AND LOOK AT IRAQ THE COLIATION [USA AND FRIENDS] HAS DEFETEDED saddan[yellow coward found in a hole don't shoot I’m a coward] LOOK AT WHO WAS DEFEATED IN AFHGAN ubl[yellow coward who runs away]
they defy their own book so they are to be cursed and their children children’s as well!!
Let’s not forget the pelage in Africa of Locus that is eating the land they killed Christians for??
WHEN I READ THIS IT LOOKS LIKE THAT GOD HAS CHOSEN THE WINNER AND IT AINT ISLAMIC TERRORIST OR THOSE WHO FLLOW THEM!!!

Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”

THIS IS THEIR PROFET??

.” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”

WE CAN NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE USA BECAUSE WE HAVE FREEDOM!!!

YES FREEDOM TO BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE OR TO CHANGE TO ANY WE WANT THIS IS WHAT FREDOM IS ALL ABOUT!!

What Cair is doing is trying to stop Freedom they are just Bullies!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

The Globe and Mail dot com has a poll worth taking . . .
In your opinion, are Western values fundamentally at odds with those of Islam?

Look for the little gray box on the right hand side marked "Globe poll"

All day, this poll has run with a near 2 to 1 lead indicating that Islam does a bang up job with it's own public relations. Is CAIR going to
harass them about that too?

yesterday I said "Islam is the NAZISM of our generation"
Today I was quoted by CAIR!!
YEEEEEE-HAAAAAA!!! I consider it a badge of honor to be a documented enemy of a fascist/terrorist organization.
HEY CAIR, how about this one.......
any bearded muslim who boards a plane should be STRIP SEARCHED.Any bearded muslim who drives through a tunnel should be STRIP SEARCHED.
In the event of a " dirty bomb" attack on a western city, we should H BOMB MECCA AND MEDINA, preferably during the hate fest that ya'll call Hajj.
But wait, there's more....
America and Israel (probably the two greatest nations on Earth) should IMMEADETLY lauch airstrikes on Iran's nuclear reactor.
and, YOU TREAT SLAVES BETTER THAN YOU TREAT YOUR WOMEN.
and, Islam threatens the libral democracies of Europe.
I could keep going, but I'll stop here. Again, I have never been prouder!!!!

'B.C.' cartoon seen as slur of Islam
Muslims allege veteran artist Hart made cryptic attack

Posted: November 22, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The Council on American-Islamic Relations once again is demanding an apology for an alleged slur of Muslims, this time asserting a veteran cartoonist has cryptically defamed Islam.

The Washington, D.C.-based group sent out a dispatch to its e-mail list after a "B.C." cartoon last week by Johnny Hart was publicly questioned on a Washington Post Web chat page.

The cartoon shows a caveman entering an outhouse at night, and then saying, from inside, "Is it just me, or does it stink in here?"

The Post reader said the cartoon only made sense metaphorically, noting the strip contained a total of six crescent moons, and wondered if it might be a cryptic slur on Muslims.

Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR's spokesman, is sure it's a defamation of Islam.

"I think the reason there might not have been initial complaints is that it's so cryptic," he told the Post. "If you know who the cartoonist is, what he's done in the past, then it becomes clear. Otherwise, it's just an unfunny joke."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35763

Why do trolls like 'Ryan' or 'King Tolerance' always deny that they are Islamic Da'wa obfuscators, 'protectors of the ummah?'

What a phony:

"...I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website..."

Mohammedans need to be 'defended?'
Looks like it! You concerned about 'backlash?'

Like the Mohammedan 'children' in France, who are so 'angry' that they have to torch 6000 cars and slash, stab, shoot and burn the people of their host country? Where is the 'backlash...?'

Some 'defender' you are, you miserable creep!

Ryan - would you also have objected to a website on which American blacks, circa 1950, expressed a desire to see the KKK some day relegated to the dustbin of history?

I have never seen anyone on this site call for the killing of any human being. 'Death to Islam' refers to the desire to see the ideology of Islam relegated to the dustbin of history. That will happen when Islam is discredited and seen for the hateful, divisive and violence promoting, Arab supremacist, imperialistic ideology that it is. Tomorrow there could be 1 billion fewer Muslims and not ONE single less human being on the planet. That is a fact. If Islam has truth on its side, then CAIR has nothing to fear whatsoever in vigorous debate about Islam. Christianity has survived hundreds of years of vigorous debate in the west and is still thriving.

On that note, I again invite visiting Muslims (thanks to CAIR's free publicity) to take Ali Sina's challenge at his internationally acclaimed website, faithfreedom.org.

Mr. Sina, an Iranian Muslim apostate, is offering $50,000 dollars to anyone who can prove his charges about Muhammad wrong.

I Challenge Muslims

"The challenge is:

Disprove my accusations against Muhammad.

I accuse Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies)."

Carolyn2, I put up the photos of J. Chirac you put me on to. I could hardly believe my lying eyes, but hey, the truth will out. Thanks. I'm going to be very popular today thanks to you. Maybe the nurse will bring me pudding. If I'm not too dangerous.

Ryan, don't you dare insult my shoes!

Seems to me that CAIR's statement borders on slander and defamation of character.

This statement could impact the future earnings of Mr Spencer, his airs and assigns.

Furthermore, since this is not the first time defaming statements have been made, punitive damages are in order.

To test this in court would require reading both the Koran and Hadith in court as well as reading Mr Spencers books in court.

Hmm....

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html

CAIR Head Refuses to Denounce Terrorists

Author: Rachel Neuwirth
Publication: ChronWatch
Date: August 20, 2003

"In late July, I contacted Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman and director of communication at the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). When he returned my call, he presented his point of view about the Arab-Israeli conflict and militant Islam. When I reminded him about CAIR's record of openly supporting Hamas, Hizbullah, and other organizations deemed by the government to be terrorists, he replied by telling me that "CAIR does not support these groups publicly." But Hooper must have realized that he had said too much: he lost his composure and I suddenly found myself listening to a dial tone!

To make sure that I had not misunderstood him, I called him back. His response? ''Call me tomorrow morning.'' Then he hung up the phone again.

Instead of calling Mr. Hooper the next day, however, I sent him an e- mail and told him that his comment kept haunting me and that I believe I was owed an explanation. In my quest to comprehend CAIR's position regarding the Middle East peace process, I posed the following six questions, hoping for a clear response:

1. Does CAIR accept the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state in its historic, biblical homeland, whose ''final'' borders should be negotiated between the state of Israel and representatives of Palestinian Arabs who have renounced violence?

2. Does CAIR condemn Hezbullah as a terrorist organization?

3. Does CAIR deem Hamas, Islamic Jihad Tanzim, Al-Aqsa Brigades, Fatah, and other such groups as terrorist organizations, without making a distinction between their political and military wings?

4. Does CAIR unconditionally condemn suicide/homicide bombing?

5. Does CAIR condemn all violence against civilians?

6. Does CAIR agree that a final resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict can be achieved only through political negotiations, with no threat of a return to violence?

After a few days, there was still no response from Mr. Hooper; so I called him again to clarify what he meant about not publicly supporting terrorist groups and to get his reaction to my six questions. However, all he said was that he will have peace when I quit calling him!

This led me to research CAIR further.

CAIR was founded in 1994 by two former officials of the Islamic Association for Palestine, a group that former FBI counter terrorism chief Oliver Revell acknowledged was formed as a front for the Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Hamas. One of CAIR's official founders and its executive director, Nihad Awad, openly expressed support for Hamas, Hizbullah, and numerous other Arab/Islamic terrorist organizations.

Mr. Hooper has defended Saudi financial support of Palestinian suicide bombers. In spite of this, much of America's present political establishment embraces CAIR as a legitimate, mainstream, Muslim-American organization.

FBI Director Robert Mueller and other top FBI officials have met with CAIR, even though CAIR seems to be more opposed to the FBI's efforts to fight terrorism than to the terrorists themselves, as reported by Michael Waller in Insight magazine:

Taking a closer look at the facts, CAIR can be characterized only as an extremist group.

On June 26, Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ, chaired hearings on ''Terrorism: Growing Wahhabi Influence in the United States'' before the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security. According to the testimony of Stephen Schwartz. director of the Islam and Democracy Program at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, CAIR is financed by and maintains open and close relations with the Saudi government whose goal, we now know, is to spread the autocratic Wahhabi brand of Islam which aims to rule the world. CAIR has claimed that some 70 percent of American Muslims want the Wahhabi teaching in their mosques:

CAIR also claims to be a (Muslim) civil liberties organization. As CAIR's spokesman should Mr. Hooper not, then, offer an explanation as to why militant Islamists appear to be indifferent to the civil liberties of non-Muslims? If Mr. Hooper is the communication director of CAIR, why is he so unwilling to communicate what he meant when he said that, publicly, CAIR does not support terrorist groups?

If CAIR truly stands for equality, freedom, tolerance, and democracy for everyone, it should be calling for the dismantling of terrorist groups. But never have I heard any CAIR spokesperson denounce terrorism except in a twisted, elusive manner that seeks to blame those who speak out against the terrorists' militant brand of Islam.

As an American, Mr. Hooper should make the elimination of hate and incitement his objective. It is apparent, from our interaction, that Mr. Hooper may not really believe in the American system. This was indicated by his infamous statement in a 1993 interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune in which he declared, "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."

Hopefully, Mr. Hooper will take a few minutes out of his busy schedule to respond to my very simple questions and explain his comment that CAIR doesn't support terrorist groups "publicly." Surely my questions are not that difficult to answer -- unless, of course, CAIR actually supports terrorist organizations and/or is supported by them and simply doesn't want the public to know it.

(Rachel Neuwirth is a freelance writer who lives in Los Angeles) "
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0803/182.html

"Meanwhile, I just searched in vain on their website, where their first attack on me is now featured, for any condemnation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's genocidal call for the destruction of Israel..."

That's because the CAIRheads are only averse to Islamophobia, not Judeophobia.

well, thank you, La CAIRracaille, for the impetus to learn more about your wonderful 'human rights organization'..

Robert,

How about all this free legal advice you're getting?

Perhaps things don't always happen by chance. I'm sure there are many lawyers out there that would love to take CAIR's money out of the hands of Hamas and use it to fund freedom-supporting websites like JW.

CAIR would not hesitate to sue you, that's for sure.

Robert, get a good Jewish lawyer and sue the hell out of them.

It amazes me that CAIR does not want to fight against terrorism or the injustices done to non-muslims by muslims or Islamic states, but instead wants to hush up the truth about the shortcomings of its faith.

Mr. Spencer, I have purchased your books, given them as presents to friends and former professors whom I studied with and no one as of yet has anything bad to say about your writings except that "Gorkhali why didn't you tell em about these books/website before?"

My answer is usually: "You weren't willing to listen a year ago."

It also amazes me that knowing full well that everyone who comes to this site is from various backgrounds and faiths, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Bhuddist, Zorastrian and others, makes me wonder if any individual could possibly label this site as a hate site without firat pondering the question "Why do all these different groups have a problem with Islamic Fantacism if Islam is a religion of Peace?"

The answer is quite simple if you just open your eyes. CAIR should be dealing with its Fanatics and creating a better image for Islam instead of trying to stop the truth from being presented on this site. Perhaps if they were willing to deal with the hateful nature of many Jihadists then perhaps there would not be any reason for criticism, but then again the truth hurts, and thats why they feel the pain when they have to face what they are responsible for as a people for the injustices and atrocities they have committed against others.

Hats off to you Mr. Spencer.

-Ayo Gorkhali

Is Mr. Spencer denying that the "death to islam" posts were being posted on his website? When I tried to get them removed, I was attacked and told by other that "death to islam" should not be removed and that it was good. Who is the leader of this tribe? Yes, Mr. Spencer himself. Mr. Spencer has not condemned the "death to islam" comments one single time. The posts were not even removed until there was a complaint by CAIR.

Posted by: Ryan

Poor Ryan... He seems to think that just because C.A.I.R. yells 'foul' that comments will be removed from this site at C.A.I.R.'s behest? CAIR has been successful in dhimmitizing many American companies, but I think in the blogosphere you will lose. Be CAIRful who you play with, "Ryan"... the infidels are on to the islamic agenda, CAIR's leaders' histories and their association to jihadist groups throughout the world. And the 'infidels' are spreading the word. Mr. Spencer may shut down comments here, but regardless, there are millions of other sites that expose islam for what it is. Deal. With. It. Does it make you cringe that Mr. Spencer's latest masterpiece spent countless weeks on the Bestseller List? I'm sure it does.

"Robert, get a good Jewish lawyer and sue the hell out of them."

Stanley Cohen, maybe?

Congratulations, Robert! Congratulations for spreading the word of truth about the 'religion of peace', for enlightening curious readers as to what's truly going on beneath the clever disguise, and for gaining the attention of CAIR. Though I personally wouldn't want such a diabolical organization noticing anything I do, you're armed with facts and can quote their own holy book which is the 'immutable word of God' and, therefore, use their own beliefs against them as they use our freedoms against us.

Robert's got the truth on his side and I, for one, would love to see a serious debate between Robert and CAIR. If Islam is truly a religion of peace, the big-wigs at CAIR should have no problem confronting the supposed bigotry towards their religion -isn't that what they're supposed to be doing? They're the Council on American-Islamic Relations ...isn't this a good chance to council?? Let them use Robert's own words and they'll find that they're the ones on the hot seat. Let them explain their own website's words about Islam in America to become dominant. Let them explain their own association's members who are connected to terrorist organizations. They've got plenty to explain, themselves. I'd like to hear what they have to say about it all.

Also, congratulations go out to all of the posters on this site who add links, share information, and engage in serious discussion about the Jihad ideology, but we must always remember that we're guests of Robert's here. I often see posts which make me cringe as the debates can get somewhat heated between posters, but it's those kinds of postings which get pulled out by CAIR and used in their smear campaign against Robert and his cause. By being cordial and polite, we'll get our points across better than throwing names around.

On the other hand, some of it is really very funny and humor is needed with such a topic. Humor may not be in Islam, but it's in human nature and is appreciated by most.

Anyway, my point is this: CAIR is watching. Be on guard. This latest press release confirms any doubts that anyone may have had before. They're watching and taking the worst of what we put out there and trying to jam it into Robert's mouth. We can't let that happen.

And since the defaming article is anonymous, sue Dr. Parvez Ahmed(CAIR Chairman)personally since he is responsible for the content of the CAIR website.

The David Project might also be interested as might Mr Whitehead.

You know, sort of a coalition of the righteous.

I posted this yesterday. The State Department is busy promoting CAIR:

---------------------------------------- ------
From the link:
http://usinfo.state.gov/mena/Archive/2005/Oct/12-579520.html

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said this year’s Ramadan has become a month of charity and giving more than ever before because of natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina and the massive earthquake in Pakistan and parts of India and Afghanistan.

“The benefits of Ramadan are being better understood because those who are fasting can appreciate the suffering of the victims of these natural disasters, many of whom are hungry and without shelter,” Hooper said.

In the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, American Muslims are also eager to explain Islam to other Americans and the holy month of Ramadan offers many opportunities to share.

CAIR, the largest Islamic civil liberties and advocacy group in the United States, is conducting a nationwide “Sharing Ramadan” outreach effort to invite non-Muslims to learn more about the values of Islam.

CAIR is also sponsoring a campaign called “Explore the Quran” by distributing free Qurans to non-Muslims who want to understand Islam better. Those who request a Quran receive a hardcover book with an English translation next to the Arabic on each page.

From the press release:

"The Washington-based council said the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in American society prompts some individuals to turn their hate-filled views into violent actions."

What violent actions? What violent actions have been perpetrated by "Islamophobes" today? On the contrary, Muslims just killed dozens and maimed many more in Jordan today. The whole world has watched for 2 weeks as Muslim "youths" rampaged throughout France, burning down everything in site. Australia just thwarted a massive terrorist attack perpretated by, you guessed it, Muslims! What the hell is CAIR even talking about here?

"Comments and articles on Spencer's site, which is used as reference by a number of Islamophobic commentators, compare Muslims to animals..."

Who is CAIR kidding here? They think most westerners aren't familiar with the frequent comparison of Jews to animals? And aren't familiar with the violent assaults against not only Israeli's but also against jews in Europe?

"portray Islam as an inherently violent faith that must be confronted."

Well hell yes Islam must be confronted! Surely CAIR cannot have objections to infidels noticing a worldwide pattern of Muslim violence and aggression against infidels and sounding the alarm to the infidels to sit up and take notice of this worldwide pattern. That seems eminently sensible to me! Yes. By all means Islam should be confronted. Posters at this website are confronting Islam NONVIOLENTLY. With WORDS! What objections could CAIR possibly have to that? They obviously have more objection to nonviolent verbal confrontation than they have to the worldwide use of ACTUAL physical violence by, you guessed it - Muslims!

The fact that CAIR is even trying to peddle this bizarre Orwellian logic - whereby it attacks as violent, people who actually OBJECT to the violence being perpetrated by Muslims globally EVERY SINGLE day - is outrageous.

Who do you people think you are anyway? Obviously you've always gotten away with this sort of thing - thuggish tactics of intimidation - in the societies you've traditionally come from. Societies in which you could simply KILL everyone who disagreed with you and challenged your supremacist and imperialistic notions. Following in the footsteps of your founder and prophet obviously, who simply ASSASSINATED everyone who had any objections to his self-serving fairy tales (how very convenient - Muhammad JUST at this very minute had a REVELATION from GOD himself. Oh and don't anyone bother to notice that this little revelation is always conveniently in HIS self-interest!)

Sorry, CAIR, but you're in the West now. We westerners don't assassinate people who are not convinced of the validity of our ideas. Your attempts to silence people through litigation are just another form of assassination. You're still just thugs with a very thin veneer of civilization overlaid.

A spokesman for CAIR couldn't confirm if there will be a "Sharing Sharia Law" outreach effort in 2006.

cair, the muslim brotherhood,
sami, the muslim brotherhood,
icb, the muslim brotherhood,
tariq, the muslim brotherhood,
mcb, the muslim brotherhood,
and so on and so on.
Look at this pattern
What is it,
what does it mean to us
and is it any good?

The mb makes the moves.
These young urban jihadis
are convinced they are pawns in allah's game,
and if they get killed they're taught
they will go straight to heaven,
drink wine and have sex
with voluptuous virgins,
be served by pearl-like boys.
If you die for allah you have fame,
bring honor and reward to your family name.
And, don't forget, the eternal night on the town.

cair is the political body of islam,
fighting jihad on the legal field,
attacking the Constitution always,
rentlessly attacking the Constitution.
For it is either our laws or theirs,
both cannot co-exist.

Wake up france before your beauty
is broken and blasted to bits,
wake up before you lose your wits
to the barbarian in your castle,
stand up for liberty, and fight,
it is the only way to be free.

I think we should be honored and PROUD that the great big gigantic organization that seeks the destruction of the west (a/k/a CAIR and its cohort the ACLU) has its minions reading this site. Point them to LGF as well. And FFI. WND. ROPMA. TROP.

Perhaps once these minions read and understand, they will see that thousands upon thousands of people, from throughout the World, are on to the threat of militant islam.. We no longer rely on the puppets of the MSM for our information. We're not PC. We don't need to be. We rely on the internet and the blogosphere for news. Thank Al Gore for inventing the internet! heh.

Message to islamist extremists... you are tarnishing your own image, all by yourselves. Don't blame us 'stupid, inferior infidels' for figuring out the Truth. Your actions point us to search, research and draw our opinions about the so-called 'religion' of peace. Deal. With. It.

I think they hate educated infidels. LOL

Anti-CAIRs' View:
From Issue 019/03 August 13, 2003

In the short time ACAIR has been around, we recognize that we have only begun to scratch the surface in finding out the truth about the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). We’ve learned that CAIR hates America and every decent thing that Americans stand for.

CAIR uses our Constitution as a shield to attack our government, police, and military forces. CAIR has no respect for American values or traditions…how else to explain Mr. Nihad Awads’ (Executive Director, CAIR) statement: I am in support of the Hamas movement? How else to excuse acts of terrorism as “misunderstandings of both sides” ?

At the birth of our country, Americans fought from Lexington to Concord, on through victory at Yorktown…In 1812, we fought a second war that further defended our sovereignty. From 1861 to 1865 our fledgling nation was torn apart as brother fought brother in the Civil War… In the 20th century, we fought two World Wars and two wars in Asia.

Our point? Americans have always stood ready to defend themselves when under attack from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Many is the time when Americans have been called upon to defend the defenseless and we’ve always stepped up, stood tall and done our duty.

We now find ourselves fighting a new enemy. An enemy that mocks us as they hide behind our Constitution; an enemy, entrenched and protected by a phalanx of attorneys and sycophants, ready to pounce at the first sign of our weakness; an enemy that demands that the police power of the state defend their “rights”, but would deny these same rights to other Americans; an enemy that accepts funding and support from foreign countries that support terrorists - who come to our shores to seek out and murder us; an enemy who demands nothing less than the destruction of the very Constitution that they hide behind.

We now live with the Council on American Islamic Relations, a suspected front group for the Hamas terrorist organization. We live with the America-bashing of Mr. Ibrahim Hooper and his fellow bigots who hide behind the peaceful religion of Islam and spread their propaganda. We listen to Islamist cowards demand respect for their brand of Wahhabi Islam in the United States.

We don’t listen to the ranting of Osama Bin Laden, why must we listen to the provocative, insulting statements of Mr. Nihad Awad? “I support Hamas!”, ... indeed you do, Mr. Awad and "thank you" for reminding us.

Americans, being the most tolerant people on Earth, accept concepts and notions that other nations wouldn’t even consider. Let us ask ourselves. “Would a Muslim country accept a religious non-Islamic group in their country?” Will the day ever come when Saudi Arabia welcomes the Catholic Church to Mecca? Will we ever see a synagogue in Medina?

And yet, we allow the Saudis, through their bought and paid for terrorist supporters at CAIR, open numerous branches in America to “protect” the civil rights of Muslims in America.

Let there be no doubt that CAIR is a terrorist supporting front organization
that is partially funded by terrorists, and that CAIR wishes nothing more than
the implementation of Sharia law in America.

In all of our wars, we have never knowingly allowed enemy front groups to operate in our country. Our President, the leader of our government, the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, has repeatedly told us we are at war with terrorism; let’s take him at his word and demand that Islamist terror front groups in America be shut down…starting with CAIR.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/ACAIRsView

Robert,
I'm with XRDC. There are countless brilliant attorneys who'd love to take on CAIR pro bono. Trust me. We are not all dead or dhimmified yet, nor will we ever be, and the facts are on our side.

ATTENTION: Lest we forget!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And neither shall CAIR!

TEMPLAR. Disgraceful comments.

Mr. Spencer, You shine light on their world of darkness. They will always hate you and us for that. Never in all the world has there been hatred such as theirs. Keep up the great work.

So, the blasts in Jordan are a result of French discrimination, right?

Submitted by KSTP Employee, May 10, 2005 at 18:42

Ibrahim Hooper worked as a news producer in the late 80s and early 90s at KSTP-TV, the ABC affiliate in Minneapolis. At the time, he went by the name Doug Hooper. He is a convert to Islam.

I'm a licensed PI. Using various spellings, locations, etc., There is NOTHING else I can find with the name Ibrahim Hooper; various spellings included. WHO THE HELL IS IBRAHIM HOOPER?

Islamic terrorist still burning France??

HOW SAD???

2 guys caught trying to bring hand held missles into the country of the USA??

Wonder if they were mulsum??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

To Ryan,
I can assure you that most people on this site DO NOT want any harm to come to innocent, hard working muslims.
HOWEVER.....The trend towards AUTOMATICALLY DIS-ASSOCIATING Islam from terror is something that reasonable patriots absolutely cannot tolerate. The correlation between Islam and terror is UNDENIABLE; The message of JW and Mr Spencer is that Islam and terror and NOT merely correlated, but that Islam CAUSES terrorism.In the past, I did not buy that argument. Now, I have no doubt that it is true. Even avowed liberal like Christopher Hitchens see the world differently after 9/11.and 7/11, and Madrid, and today in Jordan and.....

Ibrahim Hooper is the "National Communications Director for CAIR". Think of him as a modern day counterpart to Joseph Goebbels. His contact info is listed at the bottom of the article in the link below:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/164.html

If you act like a savage animal you're a savage animal.

Catherine - I'm sure if you ask apologists like Ryan or CNN you will find that they were Sunday School Teachers from your local Baptist Church. Just a few extremists it seems.

Uradumone,

If you act like a savage but President Bush and Prince Charles say you belong to a religion of peace, then you come out smelling like a rose. But you and I have sensitive noses.

"These commies see Islamic lumpen proletariat (and welfare bums) dragging down the West instead of their much vaunted worker's revolution"

How about we coin a new word for the rioters: Lumpenmujahideen

Sunday School Teachers from your local Baptist Church. Just a few extremists it seems.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at November 9, 2005 09:49 PM

That would be nice but Somehow I dought it??

Wonder what CAIR says about these nice mulsums burning France Haven't heard a peep??

http://media.putfile.com/French-riots

This shows it is pretty clear??

Remain in light Robert, you are already in the light. You should never doubt yourself. You are on the right path. Thanks for the light that you shine on the dark subject of Islam. What good can come from a religion that demands it's adherents to emulate the life of Muhammad? That's the crux of the problem.

The life of Muhammad is a life no civilized person would want to emulate

Well, but the 'enlightened', 'moderate' French Muslims have tried to emulate precisely that life, the life of incessant fighting and attacks against the infidels, during the riots :-) They surely consider themselves civilized, while the infidels are undoubtedly 'immoral'.

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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org

I read your comment dolphin. Thanks! Good website/

Hell yeah, Spencer: SUE THEIR ASSES OFF.

If you piss off nuts like CAIR, you must be doing something right.

Carolyn, that "Religion of Peace" website was pretty good, only a little liberal bashing, but the Michigan thing sucked.

I liked the end of the "religion of peace" link site where she asked Dumbya to prove to the American people that he didn't lie to the American people to start a war that wasn't necessary... I just hope that she's not holding her breath waiting for that one.

Hooper lies for Saudi? Maybe he could get a job WITH the Bush administration.

And Ali Sina's 50,000-dollar challenge? I LIKE that. Nothing like making people put their money where their mouth is. I don't suppose anyone's taken him up on his offer, of course, why would they, when the tyrants of Saudi Arabia will pay $50k to anyone that spreads the lie that Mohamed was the perfect man.

Lumpen mujahideen?
How about the lumpen Jihadists who are burning up France? What's really funny is the Muslims name their boys Jihad sometimes. How about Abdullah (Allah's slave) for first name?

When I was young our Pakistani neighbors had a son named Shahid. Which means Muslim holy warrior. A man who wants to kill/conquer/dominate the non-Muslims.

kj says,

"...when the tyrants of Saudi Arabia will pay $50k to anyone that spreads the lie that Mohamed was the perfect man."

See here.

Our Saudi friends
November 3rd, 2005

There was little fanfare from the main stream media when Saudi Arabia was finally given the nod by major trading nations to join the World Trade Organization (WTO). The 12 year-long negotiations were stymied partly by internal Saudi religious elements that feared a breakdown of restrictions regarding imports forbidden by Islam, mainly pork and alcohol, and by concerns from the United States about Saudi Arabia’s economic viability to join the elite club.

Saudi Arabia’s economic viability is a given, for certainly the world will need its oil for decades to come. It is also highly improbable that the Kingdom will ever allow foreign imports of pork and alcohol into the rigid Islamic state. So everyone should be happy, especially the Saudis for

“it is expected to boost foreign investment, providing funds for diversification of the largely oil-based economy, and bring new export opportunities for Saudi firms, especially in the petrochemical industry.”

At this point one must ask what other export opportunities do Saudi Arabia possess besides those derived from their petroleum industry?

The Unchecked Export

Another bit of news that went largely unnoticed is the developing situation in the southern Philippine island of Mindanao. For decades the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has been trying to seize control of the island from the rest of the Philippines in order to create a separate state based on Islamic principles. The Philippine government and the terror group have been negotiating for several months. It appears the government of the Philippines has tentatively agreed

“to allow Muslims in the South to draft their own constitution, impose their own tax system, and to form and maintain legal and financial institutions.”

It has yet to be determined whether this move is mere political expediency being employed by the Philippine president Mrs. Arroyo to satisfy rebel demands for the time being or if her government has finally succumbed to the onslaught of relentless jihad. What is significant is just ten days after this provisional agreement between the Philippine government and MILF rebels was made was the announcement that the Saudi government would pledge $100 million for the troubled island.

According to the report,

“the money is part of a recent loan agreement between the two countries and would be sourced from the Saudi Fund for Development to the Philippines.”

But what does this “development” mean for the whole of the Philippines when Saudi Arabia pledged another $50 million

“to boost development projects in the five-province Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao?”

A curious development is the appearance of a radio show in the heart of the northern Philippine city of Baguio. The stated purpose of the “Islam Hour” is

“to bridge the gap between minority Muslim and majority non-Muslim Filipinos, and to make everyone know what Islam truly is and is not against the backdrop of terrorism, extremism and fundamentalism, to which Islam has been stereotyped in and out of this largely Christian nation.”

Is the startup date of October 4th for this new radio station just a coincidence? What is one to make of this statement by an enthusiastic fan?

“A friend from Saudi Arabia told me about it, and I followed it religiously,” Baling, a professional working in the Philippine capital Metro Manila, told IOL. “What I like about it is that I appreciate and better understand our beliefs,” he added.

The unchecked export of Islam is the other “opportunity” which Saudi Arabia possesses. The sheer magnitude of petroleum dollars set aside by the Saudi government will assure that this export will take root and supplant the indigenous cultures of developing nations like the Philippines.

An Air of Legitimacy

Saudi Arabia has in the past and continues to this day to provide food and shelter to groups which are considered terrorist organizations by Western governments. Jihad organizations will continue to be funded by Saudi Arabia and the goal has and always will be to make the world Islamic. The jihad will always remain necessary to soften up those who violently resist, and Saudi wealth will ensure in the aftermath that adherence to the message remains sound. But why engage in bloody jihad if the message can be conveyed and secured via pecuniary means?

The inclusion of Saudi Arabia into the WTO has provided that country with a certain “air of legitimacy” when spreading Islam to the rest of the world. It may not always be necessary for the Saudis to fund violent jihad activities when their goals can be secured by monetary mechanisms.

As our world continues to shrink because of emerging markets and competition for natural resources, it will necessarily follow that nations will cooperate or war with one another to get what is best for them. This collaboration or conflict will accordingly bring about an exchange of ideas, both politically and culturally. The Saudis know this and have chosen to impose their agenda through subversive means.

The duplicitous Saudi approach to international affairs seems to be accepted (for now) because world demand for oil is so great. Western governments exercise a pragmatic approach towards the Kingdom, allowing for their “slight transgressions” here and there. President Bush has gone so far to even certify Saudi Arabia as an “ally” on the war on terror.

Saudi intentions and Western pragmatism actually play into the hands of hard core Islamic terrorists who dream of the restoration of the Caliphate. If the relentless Saudi agenda is followed through to its logical end, this restoration will not be on a regional level, but one which is global in nature. It is not unreasonable to consider the possibility of an Islamic influence undermining the status quo of Western civilization, because it is already happening in Europe and to a lesser degree, Canada and the United States.

The hatred expressed by Islamic fundamentalists towards a Saudi regime that appears to be cooperating with the West has blinded these radicals to the fact that the Kingdom is actually troweling out the first layer on to which these Islamists can build their gloabl Shari’a regime’s foundation. For once Islam gets any semblance of a foothold, however moderate, the process of reverting back to historical Islam can be made that much easier by traditional Islamists.

I'm sure I can't be the only one here, but I'd think those who kill dozens daily in the name of Islam are the greater threat to Islam than any one man, even one as influential as Mr. Spencer. Prior to 9/11, I really didn't care one way or another about Islam. Even for a few years after, I was willing to believe that Al-Queda and their ilk were a tiny minority of extremists. Maybe they were. But the fact is, now, they represent the mainstream of Islam, not the moderate who has no problem living alongside non-Muslims. As Mr. Spencer has pointed out, the so-called moderate Muslim's unwillingness and/or inability to reform their religion into something more than one that worships death (and truly, whatever it once was and whatever it may be, that's truly what mainstream Islam is; a religion cannot claim ten or more lives daily in premeditated brutal mass murders that often co-incide with the suicide of the murderer and legitimately claim to be otherwise) is damning.

Does the peaceful, rational Muslim exist? Certainly. But they exist at the fringes of their religion. CAIR would be wise to get its own house in order before trying to clean Mr. Spencer. If CAIR forcefully worked against Muslim terrorists and significantly reduced the effectiveness and number of their daily barbaric mass murders, Mr. Spencer would have little or nothing to complain about. As it is, CAIR's silence and half-measures are only proving him right.

I'm sure the Islamic cheerleaders for Sharia and terrorism at CAIR are livid when they read the damning articles here about their vile ideology, the incessant articles about Islamic barbarism and heinous atrocities committed by savage muslim butchers. They would prefer that the homicidal muslims in the Phillipines, Bosnia, France, Holland, Jordan, Darfur, Saudi ARabia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Bali, Indonesia, carry out their genocides, terrorism, and jihads without any publicity. The biggest threat to Islam is EXPOSURE, and Islam is being exposed. Only muslims are allowed to promulgate hate against their inferiors; we are obligated by unwritten fiat to respect their despicable death cult and meekly await our subjugation or execution by allah's holy warriors. The United STates Constitution may guarantee everyone the right to practice the religion of his choice, but I refuse to respect a predatory death cult and its agenda to destroy my country, government, and freedom. Islam should be regarded as a threat to peace and freedom and it should be illegal in all democratic nations. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

So C.A.I.R. is worried that our "words" will lead to violence against muslims?! What a f*&king joke that is! When was the last time a Christian or a Jew beheaded a muslim or burned down a mosque? WE ARE THE POTENTIAL VICTIMS, NOT MUSLIMS, and we damn well know it. Our COGNIZANCE is what the terrorist supporters at C.A.I.R. cannot abide.

C.A.I.R. will resort to anything to silence those who expose the truth about Islam. First they will issue their mendacious, deceptive, "press releases." Then they will sic their lawyers on the offenders, especially the more prominent ones who cannot risk having their reputations sullied by accusations of bigotry, racism, and the usual political poison darts. Most victims surrender rather quickly, afraid to risk their careers and reptuations in a lengthy, expensive legal battle with these tenacious, well-funded, muslim fiends.

The only hate that I see on this website is the hate that permeates Islam and muslims, and inspires muslims to behave like uncivilized, savage beasts. Ryan is so disturbed about someone writing, "death to Islam." The death of Islam would be a blessing from God. If Islam ceased to exist, its forces of darkness and evil would be replaced by the beauty and joy of peace, and the world would rejoice. But I expect Islam's malevolence and hatred will survive to threaten and poison us all for a long time to come.

Ryan, if you want to wring your hands and lament the injustice you see in the cold, cruel world, why don't you focus on the daily atrocities committed by muslim butchers, instead of whining about our indignant reactions to them.

If dogs barks heaven wont get spoiled...
Can this CAIR decline that its muslims who is creating trouble all along the world..from Chechnya to Kashmir to Palestine. Muslims themselves know they are the trouble makers and anti social elements in this world. Where ever they are in sufficient number that area is prone to trouble.

A while back, I bought 10 of those 'Defeat Jihad' bumper stickers from Mad Jack.

And, as I'm sure that Doug Hooper sincerely opposses the violence comitted, in Allah's name, by his co-religionsist.

So, I sent one to him today, so that he can have one for his own car.

Man,

I definately should have previewed that post!

keep it up cair.who knows, maybe you will provide us with grounds for a class action lawsuit against your organization. i feel very much the victim of your efforts to malign this website and restrict our freedom of speech.

As illustr8gr8tr said, "Mr.Spencer has the Truth on his side". And he who has Truth on his side is truly blessed. With a clear calm mind, you and many posters on this site see Islam for what it really is and what it has done to countless civilizations throughout history.

Ryan, the problem is not when Muslims are in a minority. It's when they get into a majority (even in pockets) that a separate Islamic country is demanded and Sharia comes into play, and all the horrors that does for civil rights, especially of women and minorities. You don't have to believe anyone on this site. Just do some independent research on your own of Islam's history and what it has wrought on the civilizations it conquered.

Just a simple example: Compare India and Pakistan today. One produces engineers, the other Islamic terrorists. 50 years ago, they were the same country. Pakistan is a country carved out of India, on the basis that Muslims cannot live with other religions and need a separate exclusive Islamic country to live in, with Sharia Law and no impurities (Pak-istan means "Land of the Pure"). In 50 years, the population of Hindus and other minorities in Pakistan has gone down from 12% to 0.01%, all of them converted through state and social pressure, cleansed out or killed. Bangladesh is another country with the same, but even worse history. Kashmir is a cleansing operation in progress. Don't believe me. Find out for yourself. Other places to read up on are: Southern Thailand, Mindanao in the Phillipines, Chechnya, Mid-East conflict, Nuristan, Sudan, Nigeria, Ethiopia, the Balkans, Xinjiang and lately closer to home: the Netherlands and Denmark. Wherever Islam meets other cultures and civilizations, constant conflict is the rule, always leading to the advance of Islam over time.

Islam (the ideology) is a threat to secular societies, civil rights and liberal values everywhere. And it is our duty to be aware of the dangers it poses.

Yes, moderate Muslims aren't the problem. The problem is that they can do nothing when the extremists commit crimes following Islam's real interpretations (they simply get called false Muslims and excommunicated). The priests, mullahs have unimaginable control over the minds and actions of their flock.

You can choose to continue to defend Islam. But facts, history and the Truth have a way of stepping out into the light.

CAIR is defaming Mr.Spencer without addressing any of the facts he raises in his books! They can't but discredit him through defamation because his facts are solid. Doesn't all this seem the slightest bit disingenuous to you? My one and final appeal to your reason. If you can't see, no one can force you to. Memorize the Shahadah because it'll come in handy..

Mr. Spencer: Keep reminding the irrational fools at CAIR about your disclaimer at the beginning of the daily website postings. They are obviously not very bright people.

Here it is:
(Note: Comments on articles are unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Jihad Watch or Robert Spencer. Comments that are off-topic, offensive, slanderous, or otherwise annoying may be summarily deleted. However, the fact that particular comments remain on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Robert Spencer of the views expressed therein.)

Clearly, CAIR doesn't have any legal case to present in the courtroom. Any attorney who made it through law school would equally agree. But you may have legal case (libel) against CAIR that is worth some consideration.

Posted above: "Just yesterday, CAIR urged a Los Angeles synagogue that hosted a speech by Robert Spencer, the operator of a virulently anti- Muslim website, to offer its congregation a more balanced perspective on Islam."

What CAIR is really after Mr. Spencer is a perspective of Islam that promotes their historical inaccuracies about Muhammad and Islamic culture. CAIR would like nothing more than to present a whitewashed view about Islam that is intellectually dishonest.

As an honest intellectual who possesses a truthful understanding of Islam, I know that you won't compromise the truth to appease the Islamic culture police in CAIR.

I hope that the Los Angeles synagogue will see through CAIR's politically correct smoke screen and then ask you to come back for another presentation.

Of course CAIR is to blame. However so are the absolute degenerate idiots on this website (you know who you are) who make genocidal, incendiary remarks.

Take some responsibility for your actions: CAIR and supposedly loyal JW'ers!

You got me Thomas. It's a fair cop.

I'm always linking to these sources. Go ahead, take me in for hate speech.

Sura Nine

009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

......

003.151
YUSUFALI: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
PICKTHAL: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

007.004 YUSUFALI: How many towns have We destroyed (for their sins)? Our punishment took them on a sudden by night or while they slept for their afternoon rest. PICKTHAL: How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. SHAKIR: And how many a town that We destroyed, so Our punishment came to it by night or while they slept at midday.

008.012 YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

008.060 YUSUFALI: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. PICKTHAL: Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged. SHAKIR: And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.

Snuff porn is all over the Internet, something to do with the above passages. I've seen some of that too. What a bad, bad person I've become since discovering this violent pornography and ideology.

All I can say Robert, is Watch your six. But you know this is vindication, the more and louder they get, is because more of the truth is getting out and hitting them closer to home.

If CAIR wants to look at «virulently anti-Muslim website», there are many more virulent than JihadWatch. They should take a look at my blog «The New Crusade» at http://jovan66102.blogspot.com!

Giuseppe Ungaretti,
(while WWI was raging):

IN MEMORIA

Si chiamava
Moammed Sceab

Discendente
di emiri di nomadi
suicida
perche non aveva piu
Patria

Amo la Francia
e muto nome

Fu Marcel
ma non era Francese
e non sapeva piu
vivere
nella tenda dei suoi
dove si ascolta la cantilena
del Corano
gustando un caffe
E non sapeva
sciogliere
il canto
del suo abbandono

L'ho accompagnato
insieme alla padrona dell'abergo
dove abitavamo
a Parigi
dal numero 5 della rue des Carmes
appassito vicolo in discesa

Riposa
nel camposanto d'Ivry
sobborgo che pare
sempre
in una giornata
di una
decomposta fiera

E forse io solo
so ancora
che visse

CAIR progranda reaches OZ

I have just sat down to have some dinner and a beer after a 14 hour work day. I flick on the box and what do I get fed on free to air television (channel 10)?, bloody CAIR propaganda, what the F*#k is going on with that? It was an American program called 30 days, have you guys seen that there?

Its about a christian guy who has to spend 30 days living life as a muslim. It followed a predictable course i.e. he was sceptical for the first two weeks but then 'came around'to see things from the Islamic point of view.

There are plenty of references to CAIR in the program, he meets with a CAIR lawyer, goes to a number of mosques etc etc. It predictably finishes with him saying how misunderstood Islam is and how you can't discriminate against 1.5 billion people (started off the program as 1.2 billion) and how good these people are and how misunderstood they are and how you can't ... quote "blame 1.5 billion people for the actions of 5"!!!

I would have been appalled watching this in the US but now, at a time when 17 young muslims have been arrested in Australia for harbouring chemicals for a terrorist attack, channel 10 air blatant Islamic propaganda. Something has to be done!! I wonder how much the commercial television station received for selling their soul. This just unacceptable.

Still watching the news..... just got some airtime of Peter Costello (oz Treasurer.... second in charge) just said, quote "that if anyone wants to live in an Islamic state governed by Sharia law you aren't going to be happy in Australia".... call it as it is Pete. Signing off, going to follow more news.

Sorry if my deleted post offended anyone!

BTW,I bought your book Mr.Spencer "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)" and it is well done, I am passing it on to my Dhimmi family and friends.

Thanks for what you do.

sheik yer'mami

what trip are you on?

The late news tonight was all about Islam. What I noticed was that the oz media seems to be moving dramatically away from PC reporting, well, at least some media outlets seem to be which is very encouraging.

I was very surprised and very pleased by the direct comments by our 2IC to the effect that if you want to change our way of life or our laws you won't be happy in Australia, making direct reference to Islam and Sharia law.

Up until recently all we heard was that Islam means peace bull$&#*. Seems the government has drawn a line in the sand, no doubts helped by recent events in France. Have the muzzies let the cat out of the bag too soon?

Very tired, bed time....

In Spencer's orginal post about the talk at the synagague he mentions that some Hollywood luminaries were in the audience. Is CAIR afraid that Spencer's arguments and evidence about jihadist ideology and its pervasive influence in Islamic tradition, Islamic thinking, Islamic attitudes, may have gotten through to a few of the folks who make movies and TV programs? Is this smear of Spencer a shot across the bow of Hollywood? 'Don't repeat anything this guy has said or here we come with attorneys or worse. And you better invite us down there to talk to you to straighten you out. One word about what this guy is saying to anybody and you're a 'hate-monger', a 'bigot'; boycotts, reactions in Islamic countries, and we all know where that can lead...'

Enter Osama.

And someone in Hollywood, or somewhere (but it would be nice to have a decent budget) should do a biographical drama of the life of Mohammad, and the insightful, intelligent, clear-headed ex-Muslim Ali Sina should be the primary script consultant.

It would be a blockbuster. But, as we all know, blood would flow in the streets all over the world.

And, we must ask ourselves, whose fault that would be? Should we allow the violent threats of a morally reprehensible belief system that ispires and sanctions such violence silence us? Should we snuff out our desire to express the truth because we live under the threat of violence?

Sorry, guys, for the poem I posted in Italian last night. It was late and I didn't have the nerve to translate it. It's by great Italian poet Ungaretti; it's about an European Muslim who commits suicide because he has lost his "motherland" and identity. Strange and topical, though it was written between 1914 and 1918.

CAIR = MORONS.
when in the history of the world was a Jew or Christian allowed to give a fair and balanced view on the Judaic/Christian religion in a mosque.
For that reason alone, no muslim should be allowed to step foot into that synagogue to give their perspective on Islam.

jovan's link;

http://jovan66102.blogspot.com/

Ungaretti, born in Alexandria when it still had a civilizing component, famously wrote the shortest poem in the Italian language:

M'illumino
D'immenso.

He was not talking about Islam.

Robert may wish to contact Greenberg Traurig LLP

"Anti-CAIR Founder Responds to CAIR Lawsuit

On April 1st, 2004, I was sued by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) for libel. In the suit, CAIR asks for damages amounting to 1.3 million.

I am very pleased to announce that the firm Greenberg Traurig LLP, with offices throughout the United States and Europe has agreed to represent me. On May 3rd, 2004, they filed a response to the CAIR suit that includes detailed counterclaims under state and federal law.

America, unique among nations, values and protects freedom of speech. This freedom is of particular importance when it comes to issues of public concern.

CAIR may not like what I have to say and they are free to take issue with me in the marketplace of ideas, where everyday they take advantage of our Constitution. CAIR takes advantage of our freedom of speech, protected over the years by generations of servicemen and women to broadcast their radical message. However, they are not free to silence me.

This litigation is a battle I do not want, but is one we are going to fight, and I fully expect to win. "

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/press_018_04

CAIR should be happy about this:

Nov. 07 (CNA/CWNews.com) - According to the director of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, Roman Silantyev, in the last 15 years 2 million Russian-born Muslims have converted to Christianity, while only 2,500 Russians have converted to Islam.

In an interview published by the magazine Itogi, Silantyev said, “This phenomenon of Christianization is due not so much to the positive results of a successful missionary campaign as to the influence of Russian culture and its Christian roots.”

The Kath.net news agency indicated that the converts are mainly individuals who were born into a Muslim family but did not necessary practice the faith. “On the other hand, those who really follow Muslim values and regularly attend a mosque rarely abandon their religion,” Silantyev noted.

Terrorism is another reason for the increase in conversions, he added. “After each terrorist attack, thousands and even hundreds of thousands become Christians,” resulting in an almost 50 percent drop in the Muslim population in certain regions.

Robert,
Your website should be required reading for all of my brothers and sisters in Law Enforcement!! Thankyou for having the guts, and bravery to tell the enemy who they really are.

From post above: Interesting statistic...

"Nov. 07 (CNA/CWNews.com) - According to the director of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, Roman Silantyev, in the last 15 years 2 million Russian-born Muslims have converted to Christianity, while only 2,500 Russians have converted to Islam."

Now I don't know the truth about such stats as this, but for the longest time my intuition tells me that the oft quoted statement that "Islam is the fastest growing religion" is an utter falsehood. Unless this is sheerly referring to procreation. It is plausible that the hyperbreeding of Muslims outpaces other groups, but this is NOT what this statement is trying to suggest. It seems to be saying -- 'What you're thinking about Islam is wrong -- People are converting to Islam in droves from your own population -- surely they wouldn't be doing this if there were something wrong with Islam now, would they? Islam is a successful religion. The numbers prove this is so...'

I have no problem accepting that Muslim hyperbreeding is outpacing the languid pace of "Old Europe..." But I challenge the factual basis of the expression "Islam is the fastest growing religion" on a global basis, and I utterly reject the connotation persons who state this wish to convey...

I also have more confidence in mankind that the OBVIOUS and GLARING demerits of Islam are visible to all. As such, the numbers of persons attracted to it must be small indeed.

After discounting the number who might be attracted to Islam, in other words, those who are insane, those who are preternaturally disposed towards self loathing, those who are pathologically determined to destroy the world around them, those that are inferior, and those who embody several or all of the traits describe above.... I'm sure the number of converts is really QUITE LOW... Islam as a proselytizing agency is certainly NOT one whose doors are being beaten down by the flinging of hopeful acolytes against them...

Other hints that I am correct may also be augered by the habitual inflation Muslims quote when declaring their strength in America -- I once heard a Muslim "spokesperson" declare definitively that Muslims number 6 million in America, and a month later the same "gentleman" in another appearance uttered that 8 million Muslims resided in America. Quite a nice trick of inflation in one month -- especially when it's based on a number that probably exaggerates the population of Muslim by 300% to 400%!!! (Most respectable statistics put their numbers at 1.8 million to 2.6 million in the USA -- so 6 million is a huge exaggeration, and 1 month later quoting 8 million is a little suspect, no?)

Now would a religion with a solid track record of "the world's fastest growing religion" as they like to say feel the need to inflate so preposterously and absurdly? Why would a religion with an exploding population really need to overstate its strengths? (Groucho Marx alert: Because it's population is exploding!? Eyebrows arch, cigar wiggles, eyes roll up...)

Are the Muslims gaining the converts they constantly claim? I gravely doubt it. And not solely because Muslims appear to be such serial liars and distorters of the truth... The external atmospherics of Islam don't comport with the picture they're trying to paint...

Finally, Islam seems to have devoloped so many social and legal strictures to prevent its victims from leaving the fold, including death for "apostates" and that old stand by, terrorism, why would such a successful endeavor, with people practically stampeding to join -- why would such an organization develop such measures as death and terrorism to TO PREVENT THEM FROM LEAVING -- ? Why would members of such an irresistable ideology be so UTTERLY AFRAID and ENRAGED if they hear criticism of their perfect ideology -- why such insecurity on the part of the Muslims?!!

I can only conclude that on some level EVERY Muslim is aware that his belief system is a mental and religious form of sewage that it is deeply undesirable by the human heart, that it can only hold onto its gains by murdering and threatening to murder those who would leave it.

They must know this on some level -- and this too might help to explain why they are so filled with envy, hatred, and contempt, and why they are compelled to lie about their numbers as well as the truth about their religion, and why they must murder those who would betray their gargantuan lie of Islam -- there is no other explanation...

(Hint -- the spokesperson in question was from CAIR -- the interviews were during the immediate aftermath of 9/11)

Post script:

Isn't it interesting that this site is unafraid to have a public forum for persons to debate and comment -- There is no similar forum at C.A.I.R.

What is C.A.I.R. afraid of -- the truth about Islam appearing against their will on their website? The hatred spewing Muslim posters who would fill their threads with religiously inspired abominations and Islamically inspired violent exhortations which would be far more inflammatory than antything posted here, which would veritably FLOOD their "Islamic" website? You bet... They can't handle the truth about their religion, and their lawsuits and their childish bellyaching are PROOF ---

jsla: "What is C.A.I.R. afraid of -- the truth about Islam appearing against their will on their website? The hatred spewing Muslim posters who would fill their threads with religiously inspired abominations and Islamically inspired violent exhortations which would be far more inflammatory than antything posted here, which would veritably FLOOD their "Islamic" website?"

Speaking of hatred spewing Muslim posters, have you ever read the Muslim comments at Ali Sina's faithfreedom.org?

Muslim Comments

There are pages and pages of them (Ali Sina's occasional responses, pointing out the typical Muslim psychology, are rather hilarious). Just try counting the percentage of comments that either 1. directly threaten violence to Ali Sina or 2. Assure Mr. Sina that if the poster doesn't get him in this life, Allah will string him up in the next life (and you can't miss the sense of vicarious satisfaction the commenter feels at the idea that Mr Sina will suffer all manner of torture in the afterlife).

It's extraordinary really, especially the many many comments of the sort 'Islam is very very peaceful and I am a very very peaceful man I assure you but if you don't shut up I will hunt you down and gouge out your eyes and cut out your tongue and cut your damn head off!'

Whoever said irony was dead?

Page 16 of the Muslim comments at faithfreedom.org are illustrative of what I am describing...

typical Muslim comments at faithfreedom.org

Incidentally, what is with all this "u" for you and "ur" for you are and so on? Is this text-messaging shorthand or something?

And I will also add - besides the overt threats to Mr Sina, it is abundantly obvious that most of these poor commenters truly believe that if they do not accept Islam that they will suffer every sort of heinous physical torture in the afterlife. So abject FEAR obviously plays a huge role in keeping Muslims in line - not just the overt fear that jsla describes of being murdered for apostasy, but the even bigger fear that these poor souls will themselves suffer the most gruesome physical punishments in the afterlife. This afterlife "physicality" concept goes hand in hand with the notion that the "martyrs" will enjoy all sorts of physical pleasures, including food, drink and sex.

Obviously Muhammad didn't understand basic scientific concepts about corporeality, if that's the proper word, but it would be really really helpful if Muslims could grasp the basic idea that the physical body does not survive death and hence cannot suffer these horrible physical tortures (which require a physical body) and neither can they experience the promised physical pleasures. No human being actually knows what happens after we die but most of us now understand (thanks primarily to science) that whatever it is most likely takes place at the level of something like "spirit" or "consciousness" and doesn't literally involve these corporeal and material realities that Muslims fear so much (and, in the case of those expecting corporeal pleasures, are willing to kill their fellow human beings to guarantee for themselves).

Thank you Caroline for the links -- it is partially hilarious, and partially deeply disturbing -- like a Robin Williams or Jonathon Winters performance...

I am sickened that we are assailed by Islam -- that this malignant and narcisist ideology feels entitled to show up on our shores, rape, burn, bomb, maim, steal, murder, and destroy, and then shrilly claim that we are disrespecting it, that we are victimizing it, that we are offending it, that we must alter our trajectory up to suit their trajectory down... It is nothing short of insane...

I think you also make some good points about what appears like a certain lack of spirituality in Islam as we understand it in the West... The crassness of the promise of the 72 virgins, the interesting Islamic exhortations to kill homosexuals -- especially perplexing since the Koran promises lithe adolescent young boys, strewn about on the floor like pearls to be "enjoyed" by martyred warriors! or the DEPLORABLE PEURILE DISGUSTING and very well documented behavior of their "prophet" --

Not to get too graphic here, what I'm about to write about is all from ISLAM itself, and it is disgusting!!! Recently there was a particularly filthy interlude in one of the threads referring to Muhammad... A Muslim poster, displaying great umbrage, shrilly maintained that Islam was being defamed because someone had simply quoted Hadith saying that Muhammad sometimes prayed over his semen stained robes -- the poster maintained this was sick, and defamatory -- I guess he was unaware of this little Hadith 1:229 involving Muhammad's 9 year old bride:

Narrated by 'Aisha:

"I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible)."

What kind of religion deals with this kind of material? What kind of spirituality is represented by this little gem also involving the 9 year old love child of Allah's Messenger on Earth?:

Hadith 1:298

Narrated by 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub.

During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses)."

I'm sorry but this is some really sickening material -- they call it beautiful -- It is pornography -- nothing more... There book the Koran is replete with it -- their Hadiths are replete with it -- FILTH!

Sorry to quote such ugly material -- but THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT -- SICKENING!

jsla - I'm still cracking up about the Muslim comments but you're fine additions to the overall picture have me literally ROFL. Of course this is all utterly insane. 21st century folks - meet the 7th century barbaric, primitive mind! And it's coming to a theatre near you! And this comment of yours, with CAIR in mind, sums it up perfectly:

"I am sickened that we are assailed by Islam -- that this malignant and narcisist ideology feels entitled to show up on our shores, rape, burn, bomb, maim, steal, murder, and destroy, and then shrilly claim that we are disrespecting it, that we are victimizing it, that we are offending it, that we must alter our trajectory up to suit their trajectory down... It is nothing short of insane..."

In fact, it's so insane, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. For the moment, at least, I'm laughing. Why not? There will no doubt be plenty of time for the tears...