EU agrees terror pact with Muslim neighbours at tense summit

From the article:

"We will condemn terrorism in all its manifestations without qualification (and) reject any attempts to associate terrorism with any nature, culture or religion"

So this 'Code of Conduct' - let's hope the 'terrorists' have one too - actually forbids naming the enemy.

Discord over the definition of terrorism marked the two-day gathering, which was portrayed by the European Union as a bid to revitalize a 10-year-old partnership with its Mediterranean-rim partners.

Hyphens matter.

Well in EU speak No means Yes, so what hope has that bloated bunch of elitist cretins got of working out the real issue of this age when they can't work out the difference between yes and no?

So the EU is now the entity controlling Italy and Spain, so Spain is occupying Muslim lands and Italy too, so using the weasle words of our so called colleagues, they have the right to resist that occupation against the EU. So with the EU allowing that slimely bit of double speak is giving the terrorists justification for attacking the EU over our occupation of parts of Spain and Italy... smart move guys!!! Add that to the long list of suicidal decisions.

Excerpt from "The EU - Through the Looking Glass"
(with apologies to Lewis Carroll):

"Tony Blair took the book, and looked at it carefully. 'That seems to be done right -- ' he began.

'You're holding it upside down!' Alice interrupted.

'To be sure I was!' Tony Blair said gaily, as she turned it round for him. 'I thought it looked a little queer. As I was saying, that SEEMS to be done right -- though I haven't time to look it over thoroughly just now -- and that shows that there are three hundred and sixty-four days when you might get un-birthday presents -- '

'Certainly,' said Alice.

'And only ONE for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'

'I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said.

Tony Blair smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'

'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected.

'When I use a word,' Tony Blair said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Tony Blair, 'which is to be master - - that's all.'"

Europe is doomed.

Anthony writes:
"Europe is doomed."

I wouldn't go that far, but things don't look good from where I sit.

Normally I'd have a lot of schadenfreude, but as
this is war, I can't say I'm happy about Euroidiocy. We'll all suffer thanks to those
witless Europeans.

European leaders should be humiliated with all their 'dialogue', their denial that Islam is the problem. How can you lead when the premises you put forward are based on lies and deception? It is not possible. It only leads to cynicism and disgust by the masses who must decide - who do you believe, your lying eyes or your politicians?

"...but the Arab states wanted the right to resist occupation."

Does this mean that Arab states support the right of the Kurdish people to use terror to resist occupation in Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq? Does this mean that the Arab states support the right of the Berber people to use terror to resist occupation in Algeria? Does this mean that the Arab states support the right of the people of Darfur to use terror to resist occupation in Sudan? Call me cynical, but I'm betting the Arab states only intend to apply it to Israel.

There is even better than what was reported here. Zapatero (the Spanish mix of Mr Bean with the British PM from "Yes Minister") and his secretary were caught red-handed saying that "los israelis estan intratables" (the Israelis are impossible) and that was pleasing "the others" (Muslims). He also said that a deal had to be reached, something had to be signed no matter what was signed.

In other words, sign something so that we can show the press that we actually know the job we get paid to do.

I am ordering "Eurabia" right now. Enoch Powell was right about multiculturalism and Bat Ye'or was right about Eurabia.

Being heavily sarcastic, I suppose we can start resisting the Arab imperialistic occupation of Europe using that defintion, wonderful, I never wanted to be a terrorist, I can be a freedom fighter for the down-trodden ignored indigenous European masses instead. Problem is my ugly mug would never sell T-shirts.

You could not write better comedy on this sort of farce could you.

We will condemn terrorism in all its manifestations without qualification and it really has nothing whatsoever to do with that religion of peace that is undermining our freedom of speach, causing death and mayham across the globe where ever they rub up against non-believers, there is nothing at all to do with this great religion, those Quran verses are misunderstood and are all abrogated by the verse there is no compulsion in religion (blimely they understand abrogation) so those nasty verses of this peace living religion have no relevence what so ever, no one applies them, no school girls have their heads chopped off for walking to a Christian school, this is all your imagination, the press is biased, Israel is killing milliions of Palestinians every hour, those 80 million Hindu's commited suicide by throwing themselves on Islamic swords, the pilot of those jets on 9/11 wanted to get a closer look at those buildings...

I don't really believe it, almost had me there!

Karl Marx said "History repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."

I agree to an extent. Certainly, watching the absurd spectacle of Europeans trying to come up with a definition of terrorism which won't offend the people enabling the terror is a sign that Marx was on the right track. Then again, as farcical as the situation is, it may bring about the tragedy of Europe, and perhaps at some point, all of Western civilization, being overrun by a totalitarian ideology. In other words, Nazi totalitarianism--tragic; Islamic totalitarianism--also tragic.

It guess, in the words of that old Paul Simon song, "there's no laughs left, 'cause we laughed 'em all."

"watching the absurd spectacle of Europeans trying to come up with a definition of terrorism which won't offend the people enabling the terror..."

It's not just Europeans who are floundering, unable even to think the thought that Islam is a problem. It's the entire Western world.

The entire Western world.

So far, the few people who recognize that Islam is the problem are marginal flakes, not part of polite society, not part of the public dialogue, not allowed out into the sunshine of mainstream discussion and policy.

The entire Western world.

When will you guys see that?

Dr. Pepper--Of course, you're right. We're still being sold that bill of goods about Islam being a beautiful, peaceful faith which a few miscreants--purportedly, an inifinitesimal fringe of believers--are twisting it for their own malign purposes. And anyone who says otherwise and locates the problem deep within the source material--someone like, say, Robert Spencer--is immediately branded an "Islamophobe", that is, someone with an irrational and unfounded fear of Islam. While I do not countenance bigotry in any form against any group, I refuse to allow the cowardly, the stupid and the Jew-hating to turn legitimate criticism of the jihad into a matter of religious prejudice.

You gotta hand it to the jihadis and their fellow-travelers, though. I can't think of a more effective way to marginalize your critics.

Oh, and that business about Islam being a beautiful, peaceful religion. It is. Except for all the ugly, war-like bits, of course.

"Terrorism can never be justified."
-- Tony Blair

Oh yes it can, Mr. Prime Minister.

SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT

"We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve..."
-- posted by God in Koran 3:151

"Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’"
-- posted by Mohammed in Bukhari:V4B52N220

"I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
-- posted by God in Koran 8:12

"If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."
-- posted by God in Koran 8:57

"Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them."
-- posted by God in Koran 7:3

SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT

The Western World could save itself by forcing every infidel man and woman to read and understand the Koran, the Hadiths, the Sirat, and the Tarikh.

If this dream were realized, Islam would drown in its own puke-puddle.

How could these European half-wits not realize "resisting occupation" includes any land any Muslim has settled in, ever? Maybe I answered my own question, but willful stupidity in government officials is not a defense.

How suicidal can one get? If there was any justice, these Euro elites would have to deal with the consequences of their insane policies. But instead they are sacrificing their own people for an IDEA!

"Terrorism can never be justified."
-- Tony Blair

Funny...his wife justifies quite frequently.

Ben-Hur,
I think you misquoted Mr. Blair. It should read:

"Terrorism can never be justified...unless you are murdering Jews."
-- Tony Blair

Well, it looks like it's time to say goodbye to Europe. It was nice knowing you, sort of. Again, it's going to have to be the Americans to pull Europe out of the ditch they've dug for themselves, first in WWII, and now with islam. I just hope and pray America catches on before it's too late for us too.

Crusado
~I just read up on Enoch Powell. The wikipedia, which I never believe because it can be changed by anyone, references The Guardian. It says he should be rightly forgotten. And I read another site which had his River of Blood speech, which I never heard of either. This is the speech which finished his career. I agreed with it completely. Twenty years ago he was saying what we are saying today about immigration and multi-culti suicide. And nothing has been done to address his concerns. Except he was pushed aside. Called a racist. The majority of people agree with him today, he was just ahead of his time. Sadly nothing will be done now either. The majority will be ignored.

Is it racist to want your country to stay the way it was when you grew up? For your children and grandchildren to have the life that you had? Not to live like they moved to a foreign country without doing so?

"Again, it's going to have to be the Americans to pull Europe out of the ditch they've dug for themselves.....with islam."

Posted by pastormatt_023 above

Would this poster kindly answer the following questions for me, as I am so rather confused after reading this comment:

1. How exactly do you consider the pressure put on various European governments by Condolezza Rice, representing America, to accept Turkey into Europe to be "pulling Europe out of the ditch that they have dug for themselves with Islam"? Would you not agree that Turkey entering the EU would in fact speed up the process of the Islamisation of Europe; a process which must be reversed and not encouraged?

2. Do you consider that that "special relationship" between Saudi Arabia and America that has been mentioned by people high in the Bush Administration, which ensures that billions of dollars are given to fund Islamic Jihad every year (much of which goes into the pockets of apologists, both muslim and non muslim, in Europe and America to deceive the gullible non believers living in those lands) to be "pulling Europe out of the ditch that they have dug for themselves with Islam"?

3. Do you consider that the $350,000,000,000 dollars invested by America into the "Democracy on the march" campaign in Iraq, has overall helped Europe, or infact anywhere else, to help pull themselves out of the ditch that they have dug themselves with Islam? How exactly does the $6,000,000,000 dollars given to Egypt every year by America, that Jizya tax which is paid for no obvious reason, help anybody to pull themselves out of that pit that they have dug themselves with Islam? Do you not think that this money could be invested in far more cunning ways, in other areas, such as the south of Sudan, or Biafra, (or infact just about anywhere) to weaken and constrain the forces of Islam more effectively?

4. Do you consider that America is not digging any pit for itself with regards to Islam? If so, what exactly do you think of CAIR and other Islamic organisations that are appearing in America, and silencing critics of Islam with lawsuits and smearing campaigns? Do you think that is all just an acceptable use of free speech? What exactly do you think of the "religion of peace" rhetoric spoken by Bush and others in the American government?

Please don't get me wrong, as I do not deny the stupidity of the decisions made by the ruling classes of Europe concerning Islam, which is part due to ignorance, and part due to those petro dollars, which find themselves going in to so many peoples bank accounts these days. But are you trying to tell me that none of this applies to America as well? Not one bit?

Forgive me for asking clarification on these points, but I simply find your words beyond understanding. Maybe it's because I've fallen down that proverbial pit and thus can't see the woods through the trees.

Or maybe not.

Questions for study and discussion.

Sad to say only when there are 'rivers
of blood' that our disgracefully weak leaders do anything and that ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE FOR SURVIVAL. Expect a lot of these Eurorats to run ,trying to salvage their
booty whilst seeking a safe hole - no prizes for guessing who they will be. This situation now smacks of 'EUROPEAN APPEASEMENT TO HITLER BEFORE WORLD WAR 11' and my guess is the outcome will be the same - battles raging against Terrorists & World Caliphate and finally won through the death and sacrifice of millions.
Does Europe never learn? As the Romans whose Empire lasted longer than others said "THOSE WHO WANT PEACE SHOULD PREPARE FOR WAR."

Amicus, you are right about the US. All western civilization is on a deluded path, dancing down, down, down into that dark pit from which there is no return. With religion on the decline, I see no light to shine on the masses and limit this fast descent into barbarism. Does this mean I have no hope for the future of my civilization?
Well although "hope springs eternal in the human breast", time is running out.

Hugh,

Thank you for the compliment. I am also grateful that the word maximum limit on posts is not yet in force, otherwise I would have been stranded somewhere between question 2 and question 3. I'm rarely started after 100 words, let alone finished! Perhaps I could apply for an extention?

Poetess,

You said "with religion on the decline, I see no light to shine on the masses". If Islam was on the decline, then surely that would be a light shining on the masses!?

I was just about to crack open a bottle of champagne, as I realised I had finished under 100 words. Unfortunately, this paragraph takes me over that limit, so I'll leave the bottle for another occasion. Perhaps when America pulls out of Iraq, or when Turkey is told they will never join the EU. Both of those would be very good reasons to celebrate, I think.

Amicus,I have no champagne but tonight I will have a glass of wine to celebrate that we here are all alive and free to explain the evil in our midst and to toast a true heroine, Oriana Fallaci.

Amicus, America is headed down the same path that Europe took, the only difference is that we didn't sign a pact with the devil, or maybe we did. There are several reasons the muslim influx has yet to impact America like it has Europe. America is a huge country. It is difficult to keep up with what goes on in one's own state, much less all fifty of them. People are more easily absorbed here and muslims gravitate to certain areas where there are plenty of other muslims. Muslims have invaded every state in America, but they tend to congregate in large numbers in eight or ten states. So it is entirely conceivable that many Americans have never seen a muslim. They are still a very small minority of the overall population.

Enoch Powell was a wise and prescient man but like so many other prophets, his message was rejected with intense animosity, and he became a pariah for trying to save his country from the utopian social engineers. He was the lone voice of sanity when Britian stood on the threshold of potentially cataclysmic and unprecedented social experiments. What a shame he was demonized and ostracized, never to be exonerated or recognized for his portentous warnings. He should be a national hero, with his own bronze statue in a prominent place. People could walk by, look at it, and ask themselves why their own elitist leaders saw fit to destroy a perfectly magnificent country.

"How exactly does the $6,000,000,000 dollars given to Egypt every year by America..."

I think your questions are worth considering, but this number is grossly overstated. I believe the amount "given" to Egypt amounts to something south of $2 billion annually.

This is the price we're paying to this deplorable Egyptian regime to hold up it's end of the Israeli Peace deal... Wise or not, this is probably a cheap way to keep Egypt from betraying its commitments -- something they might do in a New York second if our payments ceased... How much might that eventuality cost?

As for Turkey, I'm intrigued by this particular game... Of course Turkey's accession would be a disaster for Europe, I agree -- But it's really a win win for America to take this line. If Europe allows Turkey into the EU, the EU project will be even more hopelessly hamstrung than it already is. The last thing America wants is to see an incompetent and delusional rivalry set up in Europe with France and Germany at it's intellectual and political center of gravity. If the Europeans reject Turkey -- then we can further rake them over the coals and hold them to account to their exploding Muslim hoardes... If they are still determined to set themselves up as an anti-American sphere of influence, why shouldn't we do everything in our power to gut their efforts?

The Europeans and Arabs have been playing this game against us all along -- it seems fair to use their tactics against them. I also think it represents a little brinksmanship right now -- We're showing them we can play their game too -- do they want to play nice, or do they want to play nasty...? So far, the Germans and the French have preferred nasty... Let's see who blinks first.

If the French and Germans are ever allowed to succeed in their insane bipolar EU project -- it is clear that this will be an utter calamity for Europe, the US, and the world. I doubt that any US Administration will ever tolerate France's delusional idea of placing itself at the center of a rival sphere of influence.

The stakes are getting higher every day. I can't help but think that if the Germans and the French had joined with us in the lead-up to the Iraq war -- had they joined with us as allies to enforce 13 years of UN sanctions -- if they had joined us rather than fought against us, there may not have even been a war -- there may have been little bloodshed. Had they joined us rather than fought us, we may not now be facing a nuclear armed Iran. The French gave a graduate course in how to divide and conquer the Western World. They showed how vulnerable this "alliance" is to craven politics, and how unlikely it is that the Western World is capable of uniting to defeat Islamic fascism.

Once again, France is the architect of the next world war...
And, as has happened before, through France's treachery and cowardice, the Western World has been greatly weakened in the battle against Islamic world fascism...