India fences off Bangladesh to keep out Muslim terror

I expect the cries of "apartheid wall" any moment now.

One problem: who will protect the millions of Hiindus, more than 10% of the population, and the far lesser number of Christians, and even the subcontinent's only remaining Buddhists -- possibly as many as a million -- who still live in the Chittagong Hills, from Bangladeshi Muslims doing what comes naturally?

Everywhere that physical walls can be built to keep out Muslims, they will be built -- a short wall in Israel, that is denouned with a Big Howl, a very long wall in Bangladesh about which perhaps a Tiny Howl may be made. And there will be other walls elsewhere.

Muslims, with that Complete Belief-system that divides the Believer from the Infidel, and requires the former to conduct Jihad, or support the active Jihad of others, to create the conditions in which Islam dominates everywhere, and Muslims rule, and non-Muslims at best must forever endure the condition of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity that is what defines the "dhimmi" under Islam.

It is they who built the original wall, and it is now they against whom others will build either physical walls -- as in India or Israel -- or, where physical walls make no sense, in France and Holland and elsewhere in the Western world, a different kind of wall, a mental wall built brick by reluctant brick, a wall that is being prompted by the understandable and justified desire for self-protection.

Good idea.

We could use a wall like that, along our border with Mexico, to keep out militant muslims.

Good luck to India.

Don't feed the jihadis.

Keeper Geoff

From an Indian newspaper "Deccan Chronicle" is this opinion column and I present a short paragraph excerpted. The purpose is ostensibly to demonize Sarkozy in India by likening him to a certain (rather popular) Chief Minister of Gujrat state - Narendra Modi. Here's the story titled "France's Modi":

f Le Pen can be compared with Thackeray in the sense that his “loony” right policies rule out the possibility of the electorate opting for him in large numbers, Sarkozy can perhaps be described as France’s Narendra Modi. Both are in power, and are not loath to use offensive language to brand entire communities as a blot on the nation’s face. One of Modi’s methods to spread communal poison was to describe Muslim families as hum panch, hamare pachis — implying that every Muslim man with his mandatory four wives bred 25 children to reduce Hindus to a minority in India.

And he demonstrated his crude indifference to the sufferings of the victims of the riots when he described the refugee camps as child-producing factories. Modi’s able assistant in the task of fanning the flames of communal hatred was his childhood friend, VHP leader Pravin Togadia, who proudly hailed the “awakening” of the Hindus during the anti-Muslim pogrom. Yet, even as the riots raged, Modi was gaining in political terms as his success in the subsequent Assembly elections showed. In the short-term, therefore, violence involving a minority community is politically useful for the xenophobic parties and individuals. The popularity of Sarkozy and Modi exemplifies this phenomenon.

In the long-term, of course, their brand of politics does not work. Since business confidence is dampened by prolonged violence, Modi had to backtrack. Sarkozy, too, has had to tone down his rhetoric, even asking the police to treat the immigrants with respect. But that doesn’t mean that Modi hasn’t inflicted near-permanent damage on the Gujarati psyche, bringing to the surface a vicious variety of communalism, or that Sarkozy hasn’t widened the racial divide.

In Gujarat, even three years after the riots, many Muslim families are still too scared of the saffron hoods to return to their homes to pick up the threads of their earlier lives. If the suspicion that the Pakistan-sponsored terrorist outfits have succeeded in recent months in recruiting a few Indian Muslims is true, then Modi’s contribution to creating a sense of hopeless desperation among members of the community is no less than the enticement offered by the ISI.

Here's the link
http://www.deccan.com/Columnists/Columnists.asp?#Red%20alert

Oops,
All 3 paragraphs above are from the article (even the non-italisized ones following the italicized one) and do not reflect my own views on the issue.

I hate to say it but perhaps a dose of their own medicine would give muslims some perspective on their own religions violence.

Voletti:

You left out this gem from the same article:

"In Europe and the US, the problem has been compounded by colour and the history of colonial conquest. Since the whites tend to regard the blacks and browns not only as vastly different in the matter of language, religion and culture, but also as inferior human beings — untermenschen, as the Nazi Germans called the Jews — the question of genuine integration is virtually ruled out.

I don't know the author or Indian politics but if this is his "understanding" of the North American situation, then this person is truly an idiot.

What an excellent idea. But I would also have motion detectors, surveilance cameras and electrify the whole fence. Oh, and a shoot to kill policy for those trying to infiltrate.

"And he shall be as a wild ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren." Genesis 16:12

Hugh - An excellent analogy. However, they fence off the rest of the world, then, little by little, conquer, subdue, and absorb, subjected the conquered to the same thickminded system, one of mindless ritual, intolerance, and lack of imagination.

This is an excellent example of Indo-Israeli co operation.

Israeli security advisors have helped with the fencing in Kashmir and the surveilance systems.

Excellent

This will not stop illegal immigration, and indeed the article does not say it will.

Main problems:

i. The chars (shifting river islands) south of Dhubri are impossible to fence.

ii. Indian border guards are apathetic underpaid and easily bribed.

iii. Bangladeshis are racially, linguistically and culturally indistinguishable from the population of West Bengal, and many people in India have no formal ID and don't pay income tax, so Bangladeshis can melt into the Indian populace very quickly.

iv. Bangladeshis in India tend to vote Congress, a trend that is particularly useful to the central government in rebellious tribal areas. Therefore repatriation is perceived as being prejudicial to the central government.

The real (unreported) shame is that of the Christian state of Meghalaya, which has a large border with Bangladesh. The state is densely forested and underpopulated. The local Garo & Khasi tribesmen tightly held the border for centuries and the Mogul empire never mounted an expedition against these fearful adversaries. The British invaded the territory in the 1820's and described the Khasis as the fiercest tribe in India. After a three year campaign, the British made a compromise with the Khasis and divided them into 25 autonomous states, (some of which had populations of just a few hundred individuals) the British also promised to guard Khasi land against Bengali settlers.

The Khasis are not truly Indian. Their monotheistic tribal religion was completely alienated from Hinduism, yet their hearty pork and alcohol consumption, and largely matriarchal society, deeply alienated them from Islam. By appearance they are oriental, and their language has been traced to Cambodia. They have strewn their beautiful landscape with stone henge like structures and they boast one of India's highest literacy rates - and the rainiest village on earth.

In 1947, the British left - Khasi local autonomy was quickly scrapped by New Delhi and Bengali settlers started becoming an issue. Nowadays, as a direct result of corrupt and ineffectual rule from New Delhi, 1 in 3 babies born in Meghalaya are Muslim. By 2050 Meghalaya will no longer be majority Christian.

It's a real tragedy. The fault is not just that of the Muslims, because they have been on the plains of Bengal for centuries, the main guilt here belongs to the Republic of India, who inherited these people and land from the British but have themselves treated them with complete disdain, brutality and incompetence, and as with Nagaland, have completely crushed any movement for independence.

See:

Rites of Passage Border Crossings, Imagined Homelands, India's East and Bangladesh by Sanjoy Hazarika(Penguin India, 2000).

Gazetteer of Bengal & North-East India (B C Allen, 1905).

Timbo

Your knowledge of that region of India is a valuable assett. Thanks for that post.

Robert Frost wrote that
fences make good neighbors.
Maybe good people
make good neighbors.

By the gods... now who will repatriate 20 million Bangladeshis allready in India?

BTW DP111 for someone who said here that Assam is a Christian state! lemme tell you Timbo's perspective of India is jaundiced and skewe i understand due to his wife being Khasi. So British ruiling a piece of swamp is acceptable but India Republic ruiling a region which is heavily culturally by India and surrounded by Indian cultures like Assamese,Manipuris and Bengalis is colonialism. And as for Cambodian origins of Khasis, dont you know Indian cultural Influence spreads to entire South East Asia.. yea right upto Timor.BTW why arent the people of Meghalaya complaining? last heard Nagas,Garos and Khasis were busy killing each other to be bothered with Bangladeshis. They need something like AGP.

BTW Timbo i'm not into starting a flame war here but here are some old "issies" i wanted to bring up eith you:
1.) Kashmir issue is no sordid affair. It is the key in the international jehad
2.) There cant be any comparision between Hyderabad and Kashmir. Hyderabad was 95% Hindu still its King acceded to Pakistan. But Pakistan had no business invading a province where Muslims formed a slim majority of 56% and inhabited mainly Kashmir which forms on 1/3rd of entire J&K.

voletti,johnb et al. Deccan Chronicle article is text book example of Indias English language media s mentality and their leftist leanings. Frankly it should come as no surprise to anybody who reads Times of (Islamic) India.

sorry for some typos there... public computers suck.
correction:
heavily culturally influenced by India

@Hugh:and even the subcontinent's only remaining Buddhists -- possibly as many as a million --

Dont you know that India has some 6 million Buddhists ,though most are recent converts, they've got about 100000 Tibetean Buddhists coupled with Ladakahi Buddhists (in Ladakh which occupies majority of area of J&K often erronously labelled as Kashmir) who must surely number in hundreds of thousands.

As for Govt. of India protecting Bangladeshi Hindus.. lets see them protecting Indian Hindus first.

Note re Buddhists above -- you're right, I should have counted the Tibetans and other recent converts. I was thinking only of the subcontinent's "remaining [since time immemorial] Buddhists." Not right, not fair. And I should have known better. A month ago I noticed that the person at the check-out counter had a badge that read "Tenzin" and since I could think only of Tenzing Norgay the himalayanist (I hope that word is being used for the first time here -- there is a felt need -- so O.E.D. scouts, please take notice and do change your rules so that usage in well-trafficked websites will from now on count toward the "five-use" rule for inclusion in the dictionary) and asked if he were from Nepal, he replied: No, I'm Tibetan, but I grew up in India.

So I was wrong to use the figure 1 million. Won't happen again.

Well Hugh, right word should be Sherpa.. they are Tibetean Buddhists. Speaking of Indian buddhists there a state in India called Sikkim which has a Buddhist majority and Indian protectorate (or 29th State of India as hina calls it) Bhutan is also a Buddhist nation as is Sri Lanka which is inhabited by Sihalese, a people of Indo-Aryan origin.

The Editor of Deccan Chronicle is one M J Akbar who presented a paper in Saudi on how to counter bad publicity Islam is receiving. This man also is considered intelligent by some section of Indians.

During the Afghan war, M J Akbar wrote that the Taliban would hide amongst the public like 'fish in the water', borrowing from Mao. His views on immigrant Muslims is also sick.

The contributors include Seema Mustafa (who was invited to Sudan by the government and on coming back to India she wrote that there is nothing wrong in Darfur) with IQ in the negative and some guy writing from Saudi on daily basis. The newspaper sucks.

Then there is Nihal Singh who writes as if he forgot to move on from the 70s.

Deccan Chronicle did not print the Suicide bomb in Israel. However, it gives great coverage (negative) to GB and the French riot. The newspaper uses looney leftist to further Islamic cause.

i didnt kno that ST... thanx didnt know that. But arent our own "seculrists" betraying us?

btw i atleast give the Deccan Chrnicle props for decribing jehadists as terrrists. i'm sick of seeing (self proclaimed)Times of India describe them as "ultras","militant" and once even "separatist rebels"!

Many people in both east and west have a perceptual problem. The Asian-African countries were so long portrayed as a uniform "third world" where any discord had to be produced by an imperial power. Although far from wanting to exculpate the British imperialists, I would like to point out that there were many internal conflicts within and between the so-called "third world" countries before the British came, although sometimes the British exacerbated these conflicts. Now, both Establishment writers/politicians/spokesmen in the West, as well as Communists, wanted to view the East [or wanted their populations to view the East] as a naturally harmonious, homogeneous whole, "The Third World, le Tiers-Monde," les pays en voie de developpement, l'Afrique-Asie, etc. In this "homogeneous" picture, the British could hand over the southern Sudan to Arab-Muslim rule, disregarding the whole history of Arab-Muslim jihad against the non-Muslim southern Sudanese. And Communists/Maoists/Trotskyists/Castristas could overlook the age-old conflicts and struggles [and oppression] there [and between Muslims & Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists in India; between Jews and Arab-Muslims; between Middle Eastern Christians and Muslims, etc.]. Against this background, the Lebanese Christians could be portrayed as "Western implants" [although they were there before the Muslims], while the Muslim and pro-PLO forces in the Lebanese wars were labelled as "Palestino-progressistes" in the French press. That is, the PLO and its allies were "progressives." So here we have had for many years a most dangerous and destructive convergence between the Western Establishment and the "Left," which has helped to bring about and cover up immense human suffering in the name of Progress, of Third World Unity, or of whatever you like.