From the BBC
Britain's most powerful Islamic body is "in denial" about the prevalence of extreme views among its members, one of its founders has told the BBC.
The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) pledged to tackle extremism "head on" after the 7 July attacks in London.But in a BBC Panorama special, Mehbood Kantharia and other prominent British Muslims question the MCB's commitment to meeting this challenge.
The MCB has branded the programme "deeply unfair" and a "witch-hunt".
Secretary general Sir Iqbal Sacranie said Panorama had used "deliberately garbled quotes in an attempt to malign the Muslim Council of Britain".
He said it had "the barely concealed goal of drawing British Muslims away from being inspired in their political beliefs and actions by the faith of Islam".
That's just why we were skeptical of Sir Iqbal in the first place.
I thought denial was a river in Egypt?
November 17, 2005
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/367wlqji.asp
The strangest episode came from an appearance by Senator Jay Rockefeller on Fox News Sunday:
WALLACE: OK. Senator Rockefeller, the president says that Democratic critics, like you, looked at pre-war intelligence and came to the same conclusion that he did. In fact, looking back at the speech that you gave in October of 2002 in which you authorized the use of force, you went further than the president ever did. Let's watch:
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROCKEFELLER: I do believe that Iraq poses an imminent threat, but I also believe that after September 11th that question is increasingly outdated.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Now, the president never said that Saddam Hussein was an imminent threat. As you saw, you did say that. If anyone hyped the intelligence, isn't it Jay Rockefeller?
ROCKEFELLER: No. I mean, this question is asked a thousand times and I'll be happy to answer it a thousand times. I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11. [emphasis added]
What was the second-ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee doing in Syria, a country which perennially finds itself among the top listings of terrorist-sponsoring nations, discussing President Bush's decision-making on the war on terror with Bashar Assad, one of the worst sponsors of terror in the months after 9/11?
A GOOD READ AND WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO PUT HIM IN JAIL???
WHO AGAIN WHO SAYS DEMOCRATS ARE NOT A DANGER TO THE SAFTY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND WHEN IS THE SENATE GOING TO FIND OUT AND EXPOSE THE LEAKER OF CLASSIFIED INFO ABOUT PRISONS?
If it is McCain put him in jail too!!!!!
Give the people open hearings on ABLE DANGER!!! Call Sandy Burger [PLEADED GUILTY TO STUFFING HIS PANTS WITH CLASSIFIED PAPERS] to testify find out what he destroyed!!!!
HELLO Last election 2 Democrat Governers seats were held by other Democrats??
BUT 28 Republican Governor seats were held by Republicans!! OH and suprize Calf voted Lib.?? DUHO
Wait a min Iraqis pissed about 170 islamic terrorist who are still alive and who say they were abused and want the UN=AL=LON to investgate BUT Sader kills over 200 people in a mosque BUT he is allowed to run for a seat in Government?? WHERE IS THE CALL FOR SADERS HEAD BY THE MSM I can’t hear you??
If you hate your cops next time your in trouble call a hippy!!!
More people die in China from Bird Flue?? Funny how they keep telling us more dead from the bird flue yet the press keep the # stuck on 64?? By my count it is over 100?? REMEMBER this virus is just getting started because it survies in cold weather and on surfaces for weeks it has been mutating SENCE 1997?? And in this time it has alreadt had human to human!!
Mexico City tanker and bus crash killing 38 people??
Safe house in Indonesia tape found?? Islamic terrorist makes threats?? What is new? OH YEA FRANCE IS STILL BEING BURNED BY ISLAMIC TERRORIST??
Clinton gets a standing O bashing the USA in Dubi?? In my mind that makes him fare game President Bush stop covering up for those who give aid and comfort to the enemy go on the attack!! The time for playing nice is over!!
REMEMBER your oath to DEFEND AGAINST ENEMIES FORGION AND DOMISTIC!!
http://windsofchange.net/flashplayer.php?media=alqaeda&w=640&h=480
http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/
December 16, 1998
Web posted at: 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.
MY BIG Q? IS WAS TEANTE IN ON THE WILISON SET UP??
WE KNOW HE WAITED TO TELL ABOUT WOODWARD UNTILL AFTER NOV. ELECTION??
HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO SIGN OFF ON WILSON 'S REPORT TO THE NYT?? AND WOULD HAVE SIGHNED OFF AND WHEN WAS IT HE QUIT OH YEA AFTER WILSION??
THE TRAIL IS DEEP!!
SLAM DUNK!!
HOW SOON THEY FORGET??
SO DID HE LIE AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE??
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9812/15/un.iraq/
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Chief U.N. weapons inspector Richard Butler claims in a report to the U.N. Security Council that Iraq has failed to cooperate fully with his team of arms experts.
In the report, delivered to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan late Tuesday, Butler said Baghdad has not lived up to its promise to give unconditional access to U.N. inspectors trying to determine if Iraq has abandoned its biological, chemical and nuclear weapons programs.
WHAT IS THIS BEFORE BUSH??
HOW SOON THEY FORGET!!
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9812/16/iraq.05/index.html
Rubin also denied that the White House had any political motivation in the military mobilization against Iraq in order to deflect media coverage of impeachment proceedings against Clinton.
Rubin said Baghdad had created "the timetable for the ... grave situation we're in today."
SO ARE THE DEMOCRATS SAYING NOW IT WAS ALL ABOUT SEX??? AND LINEING THE POCKETS OF THE UN WITH MONEY??
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9812/10/iraq.02/
Cohen called Iraq's refusal to allow U.N. inspectors access to a disputed site a "serious matter," and replied with a "yes" when asked if the United States could attack Iraq at any time.
IT’S ALL ABOUT FOLLOW THROUGH ASK ANY WOMAN??
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter040104.asp
How 9-11 happened
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/iraq/9802/weapons.effects/
OF COURSE THIS WAS LINKED FROM 1998??
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike
CLINTON: Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.
Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.
WAIT A MIN. DID HE HAVE OKAY FROM THE UN OR DID HE HAVE AN OKAY FROM CONGRESS AND THE SENATE??
WE KNOW DEMOCRAT FROM W.VA. WENT TO THE ENEMY AND GAVE WARNING 1 YEAR AHEAD IN 2002 SO HE SAID ON TV??
BACK TO CLINTON??
Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.
The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.
The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.
The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.
The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.
Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.
Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.
When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.
I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.
I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.
Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.
The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing.
In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.
Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past.
Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.
It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.
READ THE WHOLE THING HE IS SAYING THEY HAVE NOT MIGHT HAVE??
SO WHAT CHANGED BETWEEN 1998 AND 2003??
OH YEA
BOMBINGS OF OUR EMBASSYS IN AFRICA AND THE BOMBING OF THE COLE AND GORE LOST
AND A REAL MAN BECAME THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA AND A REAL MAN BECAME THE VIC. PRESTIDENT!!!
Real men who know what the word IS means!!!
SO WAS THIS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND SEX ?? AND WHY DID THE CIA AND THE UN KEEP UP THE LIE INTO 2003????
IF THIS IS THE CASE THE UN & CIA LIED TO PRIESIDENT BUSH, REMEMBER BUSH KEPT TEANT APPOINTED BY CLINTON??
SO WHO IS THE LIER HERE AND IF WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING CLINTON WHO PLEADED GUILTY IN JAN OF 2001 NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL FOR ABUSE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
I AINT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE 9/11 HAPPENED MONSTERS WANT TO KILL AMERICAN AND OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD TIME TO STAND OUR GROUND THERE AINT NO WHERE TO RUN!!!
DEMOCRAT CALLS FOR A PULL OUT OF IRAQ?? WOW WHAT A SUPRIZE??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO SUPPORT HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM
PS
REMEMBER
Clinton sighned an exitive order to over throw saddam[YELLOW COWARD FOUND IN A HOLE DON'T SHOT I'M A COWARD] that made it the law of the USA just as he sighned no recovery of coal in Utah
stop the madness this fire can only be fought with fire we have let it go to far!! TIME to unclassifi the papers and court ruling on the WTC bombing in 1993 LET THE RECORD speak LOUD OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL ALL HAS HEARD FOR THE damage the democrats have done is great and the people must hear the truth!!!
9/11 WAS REAL THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST KILLING IRAQIS ARE REAL THIS IS NOT A MOVIE THE MONSTERS ARE LOOSE IN THE WORLD Pandora box is wide open!!!
Islam: "The Religion of Relying Endlessly on Blaming Isreal to Cover Up It's Defects"
How fragile and tenuous must the very foundation of Islam be that it must obsess itself with ;
a. Judaism, a religion it must outnumber by 1000 to 1.
b. Embracing victimhood to such a degree that it requires perpetual handouts and exceptions, and is incapable of self support.
c. The constant vigilence against truth, perceived by Islam as slander.
Thursday, November 17, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
(from todays seattletimes)
World Digest
Gun parts found; 4 travelers detained
Sydney, Australia
Four Australian women were arrested while trying to board a plane in Syria after a dismantled handgun was found inside a toy, officials and media reports said today.
The Department of Foreign Affairs said the four Australians, who were not identified, were with two Iraqi women and a child when they were detained at Damascus airport on Tuesday. All six women were of Iraqi origin, the department said in a statement.
The women were trying to board a Gulf Air flight bound for Australia via Bahrain.
Sir Iqbal [what a laughable farce] hasn't made much of a secret of his views so why has it taken this long for BBC to question them?? Don't tell us the London Bombings
had anything to do with it : these nutters would usually wait until the whole of London was alight
before daring to question a single Muzzie...From what I've been able to discover, BBC's Policy on everything is directed from the Foreign Office.
In other words to keep government in power by any means such as presenting Turkey as a loveable secular nation, things going wrong with E.U are edited out; same as local stories about Muslims raping or killing Infidels or their womenfolk in so called 'Honour Killings.' Christians, Buddhists and Hindus slaughtered by ROP are also taboo subject or given a few lines on a nondecript page without the word 'Muslim' in sight. As for the MUSLIM COUNCIL OF BRITAIN being a 'moderate organization' you may as well believe pigs might fly !!
Trainee Journalist Dilpazier Aslam has had his contract with the Guardian terminated. Seems the dear chap had been writing articles about young,deprived ,victimized Muslim men as excuses
for Bombings and omitted the interesting detail he was a political member of Hizb ut Tahrir. This
is the organization dedicated to world domination
of Islam in a 'holy Caliphate.'[ Hizb has been banned in a lot of countries : ought to be banned
in Britain]. Despite dotty Carolyn something,Guardian Editor, meeting Dil Boy over coffee and cakes, he refused to leave Hizb ut Tahrir. A satirical comment sent to Guardian said
"they [Guardian] would take Pol Pot as a journalist without asking any questions. Then would bleat about his Human Rights and getting an
unfair trial. My sentiments exactly.
Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 12:00 AM |
Are Muslim leaders derelict in not denouncing acts of terrorism? Yes.
Lawrence J. Haas
When a suicide bomber from the Islamic Jihad killed five Israelis and wounded dozens more in the coastal town of Hadera earlier this fall, the silence from America's Muslim leaders was deafening.
There was no statement of denunciation or even regret from the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the most influential Muslim-American organization; nor was there one from
the American Muslim Council, the Muslim Public Affairs Council or the Islamic Society of North America.
cont.
http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=68978
Kamal Nawash of Free Muslims Coalition
"If one has to look for one basic, elementary cause of terrorism engulfing civilization today; it is religious absolutism. Religious absolutism results from a belief that a particular faith represents the absolute truth and therefore must be accepted by everyone else without question. Such an absolutist ideology encourages bigotry of the highest order and promotes extreme hatred of other faiths."
some interesting reading..is he for real?
http://www.freemuslims.org/
T-Ham, I'm sorry I missed getting back to you re. your letter on Helgel and Malraux.
I'm sort of well-known in these parts, so a bit more exposure won't kill me, and if that pain in the ass Timbo can put up his name and address, well hell, so can I. Write to dag dot walker at gmail dot com.
On the topic of being in denial, my neighbours are loony. They mostly fear Geo. W. Bush and Jerry Falwell. Half the nation's people would likely vote for Michael Moore for president. The other half might vote for Jane Fonda. Our own scare me more than the Muslims do. Much of the time I'm more afraid of the people I compose my blog with than I am of Muslims attacking me.
I wrote recently about the Islamic movement in the Caribbean, and if anyone has more to add to that I'd love to read it. I see this underclass movement spreading throughout Brazil and the Caribbean like cholera. I see the same thing, from a far distance, in England, the illiterate and disaffected and ferral abandoning any pretense to Marxism, which they couldn't understand the basics of in the first place, in favor of the outright stupidities of Islam.
As is obvious from reading these pages, this problem is world-wide, reaching into every nation and all classes and climes. There's no set place to focus on. Thailand, London, Belsan, Los Angeles, it's everywhere. But the worst is our culture of denial. We deny it everywhere.
It is interesting though.
o.k...I see Kamal Nawash has been discussed here several times,,interesting case.
a shocking british web site. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivelive/F2148565?thread=1475906
can somebody explain this-
Bukhari 4:52:220 Allah's Apostle said "I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)"
Ibn Ishaq:572 “Muhammad is the man, an Apostle of my Lord. Evil was the state of our enemy so they lost the day. Fortunes change and we came upon them like lions from the thickets. The armies of Allah came openly, flying at them in rage, so they could not get away. We destroyed them and forced them to surrender. In the former days there was no battle like this; their blood flowed freely. We slew them and left them in the dust. Those who escaped were choked with terror. A multitude of them were slain. This is Allah’s war in which those who do not accept Islam will have no helper. War destroyed the tribe and fate the clan.
Quran 19:83 Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury?
Quran 8:12 Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
Ibn Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We muslims are men who believe there is no shame in killing. "
Ibn Ishaq:369 ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’
(Tabari IX:69) “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Quran 3:151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers
Thanks to www.faithfreedom.org
or this is the explanation-
Provisions for lying in Islam
Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:
War is deception.
The necessities justify the forbidden.
If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.
These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran and the Hadith.
In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:
" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)
These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.
In the Hadith, Mohammed, emphasizes the same concept.
From "Ehiaa Oloum al-Din," by the famous Islamic scholar al-Ghazali, Vol. 3: PP.284-287:
One of Mohammed's daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of Allah condone lying, except in these three situations:
For reconciliation among people.
In war.
Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.
One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims."
Another says, "Aba Kahl, reconcile among people."(Meaning: even through lying.)
The following quote demonstrates the broadness of situations in which the prophet permitted lying. "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with these exceptions: During war because war is deception, to reconcile among two quarreling men, and for a man to appease his wife."
The principle of Al-Takeyya
The Arabic word, "Takeyya", means "to prevent," or guard against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:
"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28
According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming him.
Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:
Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan.
Renounce belief in Allah.
Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah.
Utter insincere oaths.
The implications of the principle of Al-Takeyya
Unfortunately, when dealing with Muslims, one must keep in mind that Muslims can communicate something with apparent sincerity, when in reality they may have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. Bluntly stated, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime that they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened.
In the sphere of international politics, the question is: Can Muslim countries be trusted to keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations? It is a known Islamic practice, that when Muslims are weak they can agree with most anything. Once they become strong, then they negate what they formerly vowed.
The principle of sanctioning lying for the cause of Islam bears grave implications in matters relating to the spread of the religion of Islam in the West. Muslim activists employ deceptive tactics in their attempts to polish Islam's image and make it more attractive to prospective converts. They carefully try to avoid, obscure, and omit mentioning any of the negative Islamic texts and teachings.
An example of Islamic deception is that Muslim activists always quote the passages of the Quran from the early part of Mohammed's ministry while living in Mecca. These texts are peaceful and exemplify tolerance towards those that are not followers of Islam. All the while, they are fully aware that most of these passages were abrogated (cancelled and replaced) by passages that came after he migrated to Medina. The replacement verses reflect prejudice, intolerance, and endorse violence upon unbelievers
In conclusion, it is imperative to understand, that Muslim leaders can use this loop-hole in their religion, to absolve them from any permanent commitment. It is also important to know that what Muslim activists say to spread Islam may not always be the whole truth. When dealing with Muslims, what they say is not the issue. The real issue is, what they actually mean in their hearts
Thursday, November 17, 2005
Officials arrest former Seattle mosque leader
By Nancy Bartley
Seattle Times staff reporter
The well-known leader of a former storefront mosque in Seattle's Rainier Valley is being detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Officials arrested Abrahim Sheikh Mohamed, 38, at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport on Monday night after he returned from Dallas. Mohamed, who is from Somalia, allegedly was in the United States illegally, according to Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Virginia Kice, and will have a hearing before the Immigration Court in Seattle. No date has been set.
Mohamed was the imam of the Abu-Bakr Mosque, which closed two months ago because it didn't have a permanent home. Followers meet instead on the New Holly Neighborhood Campus and at other mosques for their five-times-daily prayer, said a man who worked for the Somali Community Coalition who declined to give his name.
He said the arrest shocked the Somali community.
Mohamed lives in SeaTac with his wife. She declined to comment, as did another person at Mohamed's home Wednesday.
Should the Immigration Court rule against Mohamed, a U.S. Supreme Court ruling last January has cleared the way for him to be returned to the East African nation, regardless of what that tumultuous nation's future might be. Before the ruling, the U.S. could not send illegal immigrants to any country lacking a central government.
A transitional government recently took control of the country but has no legal power, even to protect ships on its coast from piracy.
Can this be true, the BBC has found it's bearings and has moved away from dhimmitude?
why do i feel like im committing a crime every time i post on this? does everyone else feel this way, that we are somehow challenging the status quo and the storm troopers of the political left will burst into our homes in an early dawn raid?
we all need to stick together, spread this idealogoly that the religion of peace isn't really peaceful and it will take a right wing european revolution to save europe.
see i couldn't even use the "I" word in fear of prosecution.
sorry, i meant to say idealology! is bad spelling a crime?
From werter5075's link
The pain that a martyr feels at the time of death will be reduced so greatly that he will only feel as if he was stung by a mosquito. Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet(SAW) said: "A martyr only feels from the effect of being killed that which one would when being stung by a mosquito." (Tirmidhi, Nasa'i and others).
Yeah, right. Sounds like someone is trying to BS the young and dumb. We don't have any testimonials about how one's head being ripped off their shoulders feels a little like a mosquito bite, do we? That is because they are dead, blown apart, no virgins, just dead.
The pain that a martyr feels at the time of death will be reduced so greatly that he will only feel as if he was stung by a mosquito. http://www.masada2000.org/Explode2.jpg sure looks like it to me.
Werter buddy,
Thanks for that insightful link. Perhaps we can start to understand a little about what the motivation must be for these people, although as a Westerner, it is beyond me that these people can believe this stuff. There must be a lot of fear forced upon them to channel their beliefs in the strange direction they take.
I am more persuaded by the reality of the corpseless head in your last post.
You guys, that used to be somebody.
May he rest in peace.
And Bohemond,
Denial stands for:
Don't
Even
Know
I
Am
Lying.