Presbyterian Church USA & Families of 9/11 Victims Delegations Meet with Hizbullah

From MEMRI:

On October 20, 2005, the Lebanese press reported that a delegation from the Presbyterian Church USA, headed by Father Nihad Tu'meh and with Robert Worley as its spokesman, visited southern Lebanon at the invitation of Hizbullah, and met there with the terrorist organization's commander in southern Lebanon Nabil Qawuq...

A year previously, on October 17, 2004, a Presbyterian Church USA delegation visiting Lebanon also met with Qawuq. MEMRI TV translated excerpts from a report on the meeting that was aired by Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV. During the meeting, church elder Ronald Stone said, "We treasure the precious words of Hizbullah and your expression of goodwill towards the American people. Also, we praise your initiative for dialogue and mutual understanding. We cherish these statements that bring us closer to you. As an elder of our church, I'd like to say that according to my recent experience, relations and conversations with Islamic leaders are a lot easier than dealings and dialogue with Jewish leaders."...

It should also be noted that shortly after the October 20, 2005 meeting, a delegation of families of U.S. victims of 9/11 went to Lebanon met with Hizbullah Deputy Leader Sheikh Naim Qassem. The following are excerpts from reports in the Lebanese press on the October 20, 2005 meeting.

Hizbullah commander in south Lebanon Nabil Qawuq told the delegation: "Lebanon, like the other countries in the region, suffers from the [political] American storms that have hit the region and are threatening its stability. Any foreign patronage is a bad thing, and the American patronage over Lebanon is the worst, because it is pushing the region towards sectarian segregation. All Lebanese fear the chaos created by the American policy."...

Delegation spokesman Robert Worley said: "We do not wish to defend the U.S. administration. We all elected the Democratic Party against the Republican Party. Rest assured that we will return to the U.S. in order to continue our activity for peace, and we want to hear about the charity activities and the cultural and social activities organized by Hizbullah in south [Lebanon]. The Americans hear in the Western media that Hizbullah is a terrorist organization, and they do not hear any other opinion. They know nothing about the party's concern for the people of the south. We have suffered much pressure on the part of Jewish organizations in the U.S. because [of our help in] divesting corporations working with Israel. We want Jerusalem to be a united city, just as we encouraged the Palestinians and the Jews to work for peace, and we demanded that our administration adheres to this position."

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Come now, these people are simply fulfilling Lenin's words and every society has them.

Im wondering if these families then visited the Israeli victims of the H&H attacks, the people with burns and missing limbs and those confined to wheelchairs? I doubt it, the Israelis had it coming due to their governments injustices...just like the people who died on 9/11 died for American government missteps. Right? Right?

What always amazes me is that so called 'Liberal
Religious Do Gooders 'blatantly ignore the Human Rights records of a country like Iran!! Bit like
the Greens Party in Kiwiland - spokesman said yesterday "We oppose New Zealand sending any more peacekeepers to Afghanistan in America's war
where the 'cultural needs' of Afghans are being ignored"...like shrouding women in burkas, chopping off hands and stonings. You find the same morons in Amnesty Internation bleating about the rights of Ahmed Zoui - after costing Taxpayers 2 million bucks to keep him in N.Z when govt. wanted to deport him - and him now looking set to get his missus & 6 kids into country - yet he smirks out of a photo as fundamentalist cleric of FIS Islamic party which
these Western sympathizers tout as DEMOCRATIC!!

These reprehensible characters are turning the PCUSA into some sort of mutant bastard child of christianity. I guess leftist fascism found a warm and fertile petri dish.

Must reread Revelations, I always assumed the anti-Christ would come to lead the Roman Church, not the Presbyterian Church. How can this be the same Presbyterian Church that counted Ronald Reagan as a member?

Some RR trivia:

He regularly worshipped at Los Angeles (Encino)Presbyterian Church on Mulholland Drive across from the Skirball Hebrew Center.

Maybe he was the anti-Christ, his street address in Bel-Air was 666 St. Croix.

With many Leftist, Christian and even Jewish organisations sympathising with the likes of Hizbullah, is it surprising that moderate muslims will think twice before raising their head above the parapet? If they ever did, who would they be able to turn to when the Jihadis came for them with a kitchen knife?

We will have to take a much more robust line with jihadis and their sympathisers before we can induce the moderate muslims top come out of the closet.

"Father" Nihad Tum'eh, whose loyalties to Arabdom and hence to the Islamic worldview should be obvious, and Robert Worley, whose take on the universe finds a perfect outlet in the Defense of the Faith, that faith being Islam, should both be arrested. The charge: lending support to an organizatioin, Hizbullah, formally declared by the American government to be a terrorist group. Or is this not yet an offense punishable by law? It should be. Behind bars, they will able to enjoy the Da'wa that is so aggressively conducted in prisons all over the Western world. They should not prove particularly recalcitrant. As far as Islam's siren song -- clearly they are all ears, already.

DHIMMIS!!!!


D*I*S*G*U*S*T*I*N*G*.

Yecch, These "christians" make my skin crawl."

Oh no -- more "elites". Nothing to do with PC Leftism. Move along, now.

Is this for real?? Is this a properganda joke or something? Did these US citizens really meet with the enemy who danced at 9/11, killing their relatives? I cannot believe the blindness of some people.

I suppose these same "Christians" want Israel to expel all the Jewish people and "give" the land "back" to the Muslim Arabs.

Just what God are these Christians worshipping again? Allah, or the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?

Seeing they think Hizbullah is such a nice organisation maybe they to can go and "die" for the "cause".

Do Dhimmi Christians get 70 virgins also or just 30 pieces of silver?

No, Dhimmi Christians get the sharp side of a Halal knife and thats it.

Wont the Muslim Earth be a great place to live?

Laughing out loud - Presbyterians Leftists? You characters live in a closet or is that an echo chamber where all you hear are the sounds of the chorus.

The Presbyterians are not leftists or liberals, they are Calvinists, and Orthodox Presybterianism has produced the likes of Rushdoony and Gary North, The Chalcedon Foundation, aka Dominion Theology, which whether anyone knows or cares to admit it has insinuated itself,it's agenda, into the Council for National Policy.

Don't even think of telling Presbyterians that they are leftists, commies or liberals, in fact if anything they are and have been in the forefront of eliminating government, the welfare state, and the secular state...

There are two kinds of antisemitism in the Christian Right, the outright antiZionism of the Presbyterians and the Missouri Synod of Methodists, and the more covert antisemitism of the millenialists, premised on premised upon the Dominionist belief that Israel must rule the biblical land in order for Christ to return, though when he does, all Jews who do not convert to Christianity supposedly will be incinerated as the believers are lifted into heaven.

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A speech delivered by Mr Zaoui to the NZ government, on "Women, Islam and Human Rights".

http://www.algeria-watch.org/fr/article/femmes/zaoui_speech.htm

REDWINE
If Zaoui is so dammed progressive then why is his wife and other female members of his family always seen wearing Hejabs?? By the way, Catholic
dhimmis GAVE UP HAVING PORK ON THE MENU while Zaoui stayed with them.

I'm not saying he's progressive, Morgane. I'm just posting his speech, that's all.

Don't those Presbyterian nut jobs know that prior to 9/11, Hezbollah had killed more Americans than any other terrorist organization?
Marine Barracks, Khobar Towers,,,and maybe even TWA flight 800.

Nariz: If only we conservative Presbyterians were the people with the 19th century-vintage endowments and properties all over the land! The fact of the matter is that the old Northern Presbyterian Church (now part of the United Presb. Church [of Dhimmitude], USA) gave up on Calvin's astute, wise, truthful, and biblical doctrines back in 1906. In the 1920's and '30's, it carried out a wholesale purge of its conservative ministers. The conservative Presbyterian groups you mentioned (Rushdoony did not count at the end of his long, cantankerous life: he ended up with a small group that followed episcopalian polity--although he began his ministry in the small Orthodox Presbyterian denomination) are generally small, the largest being the 100,000-strong Presbyterian Church in America, which I myself join whenever there's one handy.

The "Mainstream" UPCUSA today ordains women, accepts homosexuality, tolerates goddess worship (never mind what those old Hebes Jeremiah and Hosea might say--or YHWH Himself), sees abortion as something a little lower than a sacrament, and holds that American foreign policy must go around the world with a big bull's eye painted on its bnackside, and obligingly bend over every time some little tinpot dictator with a grudge demands it. It also has an average age of 57 and climbing.

Lisa--It's Revelation, not Revelations. When my younger boy was about 10 0r 11, he heard friends talking about _Left Behind_, read Revelation himself, came up to me, and said, "Dad, am I missing something? Revelation isn't like _Left Behind_ at all." I told him, "No, you didn't miss anything. It's the _Left Behind_ bunch who did."

Nariz: While I do not deny that there are blatant anti-Semites in a number of Christian denominations, your view of replacement theology smacks of propaganda.

Those of us who see Paul's "Israel of God" as those believers, whether Jew or Gentile, clustered about the Messiah, do not necessarily see the modern state of Israel as a travesty. We are told in Scripture that nation will rise against nation before the end; while the Prophets remind us that history flows on, guided by the awesome purposes of God (such as Assyrian monarchs who, desiring plunder, are really a rod of chastisement in God's hand). There are further issues like relative justice, stewardship, and other matters.

Stockholm syndrome, which is exacerbating an already advanced stage of leftist American dhimmitude resulting from political correctness run amuck.

Kepha

Thank you for making distinctions among the Presbyterians, I become so tempted to lump all into one category.

Nariz sounds just like the old left leaning Goldwater conservative Giaour, although with a new moniker.

Nariz...Giaour...who cares...If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. These 'Presbyterians' are leftist, liberal screwballs. They are wallowing in leftist muck.
Everything will be A#1 OK as soon as democrats regain power in the US. What a joke that is... Did they actually expect the Hizballah guys to buy that? They are not 'that' stupid...The Prespyterians are useful idiots, nothing more...

Thank to God I am catholic, I pray for their conversion, one thing is forgiving, another dialoguing and comprehending the enemy.

Why don't these people go to places like Indonesia, Pakistan, etc., where the Christians are being oppressed???????

Why don't they protest the Indonesian government for their discriminatory law and practices against the Christian minority?????

Hizballah...the 'Party of God' as claimed by Mohammad. To be in this party all you had to do was the prayers, pay the tax, bow in homage and renounce agreements with Jews. The founding members of the 'Party of God' were the same guys who built a fire on Kinnahs chest and twirled it with sticks untill he was near death, then beheaded him. They were the same bunch who beheaded all those 7/900 Jewish men and boys while Mohammad officiated, praising Allah all the while. They were the same bunch who were out destroying one town after another, killing , rapeing, looting and enslaving...those were the founding fathers of Hizballah...not much has changed, has it??

You're welcome, Bar.

Franze, may the God of peace be with you.

By the way, Nariz, it's Missouri Synod Lutherans, not Methodists. If you're going to play the latter-day Robert Ingersoll, have the decency to get your enemies straight.

And, once again, I've seen plenty of variation in Missouri Lutheran attitudes towards Jews, too.

Would these people just drop the pretence and convert to Islam already?

Kepha - don't be too hard on Nariz, after all he has a monkey for an uncle!

I see he is at it aain, trying to prove Hitler was a Christian, when in fact he was a full on Pagan.

Which in turn worships "mother earth" as the giver of all life, bit like the god of evolution Nariz worships.

Now calm down Nariz, there are pleanty of banana's to go around!

Nariz,

There are Scriptures many Christians scuff over and intentionally/unintentionally miss:

Romans 11:16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

Matthew 19:16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" 17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

And Jesus continued to have a conversation with him about living a more rewarding life.

Judaism(from Abraham and Moses) and Christianity( following the teachings of Jesus) are of G-d's olive tree.

Nariz at November 23, 2005 12:06 AM

Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

It is not so much that Jews must rule the biblical land but rather the Gentile's era(s) of trampling Jerusalem must end. But even this does not translate to the instant second coming of Christ.







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