Seeking martyrdom? Apply here.

Re: "Samadi said that 40,000 volunteers for suicide bombing operations had already enlisted to attack targets on the orders of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei."

But the slopeydopes among us still insist this is the religion of peace.

...a debate will be held regarding the guidelines for suicide operations from both Sunni and Shiite Islam’s perspectives...

Truly, Islam in all of its sects is the Religion of Total Life Regulation. They must now debate the Islamic way to become spritually bankrupt.

Does anyone know what the Quran, Hadith or Sira say about Satan?

I know a little bit about the Quran, but not enough to formulate an opinion about the stance of Islam on Satan.

Jesus said that the thief(satan)comes ONLY to STEAL and KILL and DESTROY; but He has come that we may have life, and have it to the full!
John 10:10

And to think at this moment in Vienna [shades of the past,eh], well meaning if dotty Christian Leaders are meeting with 'misunderstood' Muslim leaders and clerics!! To discuss ways of presenting Islam more positively than that of suicide bombers...Ha,bloody ha.

I agree with you that I do not know as much as I should about Satan in terms of Islam. However, I do believe through my understanding that Islam does not stand in good ties with Satan. Islam finds Abraham in the Bible, or Ibrahim, to be very influential because of Muhammad's genealogy. Ibrahim was married to Sarah (who bore Isaac) and Hagar (who bore Ismael). Loong story short, out of Ismael came Quraysh. From Quraysh came Abd Manaf (common ancestor between the Hasmities and the Umayyas). From Abd Manaf came Hashim and Umayya. From Hashim came Abd al-Muttalib and Abu Bakr(1st caliph after Muhammad). From Abd al Muttalib came Abdullah, Abu Talib, and Al Abbas. From Abdullah came Muhammad. This shows you that Ibrahim plays a significant role in the life of Muhammad, therefore then in the life of Islam. To get back to Satan and Islam though; The Hajj or pilgrimage has seven steps. The sixth step is where pilgrims return to the city of Mina where they throw stones at the Jamrah, signifying Abraham's stoning of Satan and also the symbolic "stoning" of personal demons. This shows that Islam probablly views Satan as evil as well, resembling the hatred of Satan by the Christian Faith.
This suicide bombing campaign is devastating to the counter measures of counterterrorism. With that many new bombers ready to die for Allah and the Global Islamic Front, we better watch out then. This puts to rest the theory that suicide bombings are on a decline! Or maybe it shows that they are desperately in need of new recruits! Ah whatever, lets just send this information to our intelligence communities to analyze. I am sure they will do something productive with it!!!!

Posted by: DiscipleofJesusChrist at November 15, 2005 05:56 PM

I think this is what you ask for??

Muslim:C14B39N6759 “Aisha, the wife of Allah’s Apostle, reported: ‘Allah’s Messenger left my apartment during the night. Then he came and he saw me in an agitated state.’ He said: “Aisha, what has happened to you? Do you feel jealous?” I said: “How can it be that a girl like me would not feel jealous in regard to a husband like you? Thereupon Allah’s Messenger said: “It is your devil who has come to you.” I said: “Allah’s Messenger, is there a devil with me?” He said: “Yes.” I said: “Is there a devil attached to everyone?” He said: “Yes.” I said: “Allah’s Messenger, is there a devil attached to you also?” He said: “Yes.”’”

HE DOESN'T SAY TO FIGHT THE SATAN??

Muslim:C14B39N6757 “Allah’s Messenger said: ‘There is none amongst you with whom is not an attaché from amongst the jinn, a devil.’ The Companions said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, is there a devil with you too?’ Thereupon he said: ‘Yes, but Allah helps me against him so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.’”

SO HE SAID SATAN ONLY MAKES HIM DO GOOD??

Bukhari:V6B60N475 “Allah’s Apostle became sick and could not offer his prayer. A lady came and said, ‘Muhammad! I think that your Satan has forsaken you, for I have not seen him with you for two or three nights!’ On that Allah revealed: ‘By the night when it darkens, your Lord has neither forsaken you, nor hated you.’”

HAS FORSAKEN YOU??

Bukhari:V2B21N245 “A person slept in and missed the morning prayer. So the Prophet said, ‘Satan urinated in his ears.’”

WOW SO MO-HAM-OD HAD PEE-PEE IN HIS EAR??

Hope this is what you were looking for??

story above!
Lets start making MOPs and MOABs
For we are told to Kick ass if we are attacked!!

http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Just a reminder??
http://www.robesus.com/usanthem.html
Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
YES THIS IS WHAT AMERICA IS MADE OF!!

American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AMEN

PS
France is still being burned By islamic terrorist!!!!

More islamic terrorist dead today!!

This is an act of war and should be responded to without notice or demand.

"Samadi said that 40,000 volunteers for suicide bombing operations had already enlisted to attack targets on the orders of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei"

It's like the Muslims are a bunch of robots. To bad for individual rights in Islam, better to sacrifice the individual for the benefit of the Muslim State (sounds familiar - Nazism, Communism etc)

"Does anyone know what the Quran, Hadith or Sira say about Satan?" - DicipleofChrist.

The more important question would be, what does the Koran say about LOVE? You know, being the Religion of Peace and all?

Unlike the Bible, that has HUGE verses defining what love actually is, the Koran has none. In fact the only times the Koran talks about love is when it tells us what Allah loves (eg "Allah loves this....Allah loves that"). The Koran is devoid of a description of what love actually is, or acts of love (as opposed to lust - like when Mohammed had a vision from Allah to steal his nephew's wife!). Remember, the Christian God is one of love, of forgiveness – this is all through the New Testament.

The Koran is a loveless book. Muslim followers show the same. They are devoid of relationship with their fellow human beings (of any other worldview), they are devoid of love (they send their kids off to be suicide bombers??) - just like the Devil himself. Muslims who follow the Koran act like the Devil himself. In the Genesis Satan said he was "greater" that YHWH. When Muslims are shouting Allu Akbar, they are shouting "Allah is greater". One has to ask, greater than whom? It’s obvious who wrote the Koran – the Devil himself.

The world is working again in a triangle mode.
We all get mad at each other. Like World War 1 and World War 2.(Point A) .
Many millions die because the anger got out of hand. (Point B)

And then at the end we stop and make up. (Point C)

Why don't we try to go from Point A to Point C and skip Point B.

In other words we and they must realize that when it's all over we will have to come to a resting point.

Please excuse my english.

Mekoots,

Its not anger that gets out of hand, its hatred. Islam teaches and blesses hatred of the infidel.... Me. Islam, by its actions has done something else now too, it taught me to hate it, with the same passion that they hate me. I refuse to be understanding and tolerate the atrocities being carried out in the name of Islam. I send the same message back to them, convert or die. The Immams keep preaching Jihad or Holy war, they will get one. We need to do something drastic now, and suffer perhaps millions of dead, because if we wait... the toll will be in the billions.

I've heard four talking heads this week talking about the female suicide bomber in Jordan. They never realized that women would do this. What's in it for them?, they all joke.

It's been four years since 9/11. These people have not bothered to pay any attention. The female bombers in Israel didn't count? The jokes about the virgins and 'what does a female get' are getting old. Talking heads need to realize this is not going anywhere and they need to learn more than the superficial chat. But they managed to explain it away this time with the 'brothers' story. What about all the other females. Well if you dig hard enough I guess you can maybe find a reason for them also.

Meanwhile the muslims explain it away as not really a suicide, but a martyrdom operation. You are still dead, but you are doing a "good dead" in exchange for a promise of paradise.

You can justify anything if you try. In your mind. And you can justify anything if you try. With that book. Muslims say people misunderstand. I don't think so.

Suicide-"be not cast by your own hands to ruin"

- that could mean financial ruin or destroying your family by addictive behaviors. (Unless the translation isn't strong)

Martyrdom-for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise) they fight in his cause, and slay and are slain a promise binding on him in truth-

- the only 'guarantee' of paradise given anywhere in the koran

(I don't see how that is a promise(except of a garden) since paradise is in brackets and assumed - not stated. How did garden, where flowers and vegetables grow, get translated into paradise? Again, unless the translation isn't strong.)

The talking heads on TV and radio (one of whom brought up the crusades and the inquisition, will they never learn) have had four years and lots of terrorism experts to speak with. The journalists and the politicians, too. Why don't they get it? The illiterate moslems in the mountains and sand pits get it. Why haven't they?

The PROMISE of paradise needs to be INTERRUPTED. There are ways. In the book.

Stop asking what the females get.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE VIRGINS

Watching the Borg
- getting sick of watching the TV broadcasters.

Re: "Samadi said that 40,000 volunteers for suicide bombing operations had already enlisted to attack targets on the orders of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei."

That seems simple enough, we just get rid of Khamanei. Or if they start attacking, we will know who gave the order 'then' get rid of him...
No need to kill him. Siberian hog farms need help. Mission Impossible could snatch him and deliver him to the Russian pigs (no offense to the Russians). There he could live out his life in pig harmoney. Fulfilling his karma so that when he comes back next time he wont have to study hogology, hog gym (genital urinary manipulation for breeding purposes), or pig breeding and propagation. He has already been there and done that...Allah willing...

All the Rushdie fans should lobbey for Tony Blair to invade Iran!

Nossy

Application forms for suicide bombers? Do they require any previous experience and references?

In Iran children are being brainwashed by cartoons into this.
See some of these at www.memritv.org

If they want Martrydom, we should send all at once with the aid of some real good bomb busters! heck they are just asking for it, they want to go straight to their allah.

Great quote from a reformed magazine (http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1233954/Islam+kent+slechts+waarheid%2C+geen+liefde.html):

"Op deze menselijke nood geeft het Evangelie het enige verlossende antwoord: God verzoende onze vijandschap in Christus! Met als gevolg de ongekende mogelijkheid van de rechtvaardiging van de goddeloze. De islam kent die rechtvaardiging van de goddeloze niet. Allah wordt wel de barmhartige genoemd, maar is dat alleen voor de gehoorzame."

Which translates to:

"To this human need the Scriptures provide the only answer of salvation: God appeased our animosity in Christ! With the result the limitless possibility of the justification of the godless. Islam does not know this justification of the godless. Allan may be called the merciful one, but that's only for the obedient ones."

DiscipleofJesusChrist: Satan is a tricky subject.

The greek word 'daimon', meaning (supernatural) spirit, has been corrupted by the Christians over the centuries to become daemon and then demon and meaning evil spirit.

Satan, Shaytan is the counter balance to God in biblical scripture in that this entity tempts humanity and opposes God's will. In islam Shaytan is the personification of evil.
Funny is how hinduism knows no concept of a satan since everything is a personification/incarnation of god.

There's also corruption in the name and meaning, satan is the devil and people are easy to name Satan and Lucifer in the same breath, but if you look at Lucifer, the name is derived from Lux Fero, or, the carrier of the light.

The entire concept is very dubious and very shrouded in a lot of half-truths.

But I digress...

My liberal girlfriend is from Iran and just moved to Canada, she says not to believe this stuff!

Iranians (except for rural area) are VERY PRO-AMERICAN and even PRO-ISRAELI and absolutely hate their government. Also, they are insanely secular (can't blame them)

All 18 year old male Iranians must serve in the Army. Part of service is that you MUST show up for "Death to America" demonstrations.

As a rule of thumb, if you see someone in the all black Hijab, its propaganda. No one wears that crap in the cities.

After the demonstrations, everybody goes home and gets drunk off their ass! (well, they get high off opium, they can't afford alcohol)

In retrospect, Iranians should have voted for one of the corrupt reformest candidates... nobody thought this douche-bag would win!

Only the revolutionary guard and the mullahs are frieks, but man, are they ever insane! They have no problem shooting into a crowd of demonstrating students so they stopped trying.

So what is the reward for the female sucide bomber once she reached paradise?

1) She is allowed to watch the 72 virgins have sex with her husband.
2) She is allowed to wash her husband's privates after having sex with the 72 virgins.........
3) She allowed to wash the 72 virgins after having sex with her husband.
4)She is not allowed to do any of the above.......she is allowed to stayed veiled and sit in a corner like a statue with absolutely no sexual feelings--only to be worshiped by the 72 virgins.

Asmodia -- you magnify your stultifying ignorance on the subject tenfold with every additional word you write -- STOP before it's too late, my poor ignorant friend!

40,000 volunteers. Probably an exaggeration, Islam has been making stuff up as it goes along for years. For example clerics have been telling girls that if they suicide bomb they will become the most beautiful whouri out of the seventy-two.

"but if you look at Lucifer, the name is derived from Lux Fero, or, the carrier of the light."

In the OT the there are references of the Devil being the "angel of light".

jsla: Not sure if you were being funny or sincere, but please explain where I am being ignorant. It *is* a tricky subject.

Just like when you want a more accurate recount of Jesus you are better of reading Didymus Judas Thomas' gospel. Which has not been altered over the course of many, many centuries.

3rdtimelucky: There are stories that Lucifer was lied to by Beëlzebub and that this caused Lucifer to go against God.

All provided you believe in god, angels, demons, and so on, of course.

Lucifer is a "fallen angel" and now called Satan. A with respect to the posts about how Islam addresses Satan, it is the other way around.

Islam is a tool of Satan. Satan is mentioned in the Bible as the "Great Deceiver".

Now some will say Satan doesn't exist. I am not here to convince you that he is. Now that I am 57 years old, and with what I experienced, trust me that he does exist.

Keep an open my an explore that concept.

Lucifer was the "light-bearer", the highest angel in Heaven, who challenged God and was cast out. He fell to Earth - the realm where he constantly continues to fight against God's dominion - and retains the name Lucifer, but is also known as Satan.

"allah" is Satan. Reading the qur'an makes it crystal-clear. He has deceived a billion people into thinking that HE is the Creator, rather than the Fallen One.