'Terror groups in race to bomb Australia'

Let them emigrate,live on welfare(ausie money),religious freedom ,and they will pay you with,bombs,killing,terorr!!Good deal!!Fucking muslims,what do we owe them at all?Send them back on a raft to whereever they come from!!

"Chemicals, weapons, computers and rucksacks were siezed."

...Whew! Thank Christ they got those rugsacks out of circulation! Those babies are LETHAL!!

In a motion to suppress, defense counsel argues that the police did not remove their shoes prior to executing the search and arrest warrants in the homes of the accused. This procedural error in derogation of the fundamental rights of the accused therby renders all evidence found at the scene and statements of the accused non-admissable at trial, as well as another other evidence that becomes known through use of the improperly obtained evidence and statements.(citations ommitted)

No, that has not happened. However, should procedures such as being implmented in the West Midlands start a cancerous spread throught the Kingdom, would the above hypothitical be so far removed from reality?

Can you imagine the outrage if the authorities had held off until after the attack?

The defensive stance of the local Islamic leaders takes on its usual form - neat, well-turned out lawyers and hijabbed, softly-spoken mothers gently voicing their concerns about their community being misunderstood. Of Australians taking the law into their own hands.

My memory fails me at this point but I seem to recall somebody saying, quite succinctly, that dealing with the Muslims should be left to the police BUT confronting and challenging Islam itself is a responsibility for all.

In Islam I think I see a negative image of Christianity (for younger posters a "negative" is a thing they used to make out of film back before everybody except me had a digital camera) and I think quite a few posters here would agree.

This negative analogy (which I sure is unoriginal and which I won't explore to extensively here) carries on to the perception of the two faiths. While it frustrates me beyond words to see Christianity being brought into disrepute by the misdeeds of Christians, so it frustrates me to see the Muslims who ignore the flipping great wadges of "holy text" that is vile and odious being held up as being "the vast and overwhelming majority" with only a "lunatic" fringe hijacking this religion of . . . etc.

I don't have a problem with Christianity - I just have a problem with a great many Christians.

I don't a beef with Muslims, as such (whatever they may believe about him Jesus died for them as much as he did for you or I) but I have a serious problem with Islam.

I pray that, while we are vigilant and protect those we love, we do not forget that to act out of hatred for these people is to stoop to the level of those we work against.

"Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse."
- Romans 12:10-14

"It was suggested that the two loosely-affiliated groups had been in competition to carry out a major attack. "

Great. Now it's contest. "Whoever is the first to slaughter x number of men, women and children will be the first to recieve his 72 whores!" Sickos

This is the Muslim version of "The Olympics" -- once again we see these parasites attempting to use our own technologies and systems against us -- this time using "infidel" business practices they have grafted the notion of esprit de corp and competition onto their necrosing ideology in order to yeild profits for their prophet..

This is big news here in Oz. Like Otterfisher says above, followers of this Religion of Peace beat the crap out of a camera man in the street - the usual Muslim style - 5 v's 1 (in fact if you watch the footage one of the Muslims actually hits his mate in the process of trying to squeeze in so he can beat up on the hapless cameraman also!

The Left Wing Parties - The Democrates and The Greens have come out and said that the raids were orchestrated by Howard's ("right") mob to take away from some contraversial Industrial Relations laws being passed at the moment.

Once again, the Left excuses and muddies, and even defends Islam.

To Labor's (centre left to left) credit - they support the Howard government in these raids (which makes the extreme left of the Greens and the Democrates look even more stupid).

The Muslims are all over TV here, saying how they are the victim. That these are just "criminals" and that they have nothing to do with Islam. Yea right I'm fully expecting the Federal Police and ASIO to bust the doors down of the local Christian church any minute now.

Three cheers for the Federal Police and the politcianswho had the balls to act against these true Muslims.

Lets hope that the pollies and police will now see Islam in it's true light - a Warrior Religion.

PRIME Minister John Howard said today the police operation which uncovered an alleged terrorist plot and moves to strengthen counter-terrorism laws are not attacks on Australian Muslims.

Raids, laws 'not attacks on Muslims'

Why would they be? Unless it's Muslims in the first place who are psychologically manipulating equal-treatment laws and diversity sensitivity by claiming to be the victims 100% of the time.

Mr Howard said today that Muslims had to be reassured they were not being targeted.

Where are Muslims reassuring the rest of the world that the rest of the world is not being targeted? Oh, silence.

Raids, laws 'not attacks on Muslims'

3rdtimelucky writes:
"This is big news here in Oz."

What's the general feeling amongst 'Strileans about the ROP? Lots of people here still buy the BS about peaceful Islam.

I hope that they do us a favour, and bomb those ugly block of flats in Goodhope St. Paddington Sydney. They look bloody awful and so out of place with the surrounding terrace houses.

Hmm.... I think that I might get in trouble with the last comment, so it was just a joke, ok?

To American,

Today Tonight, the current affairs group is very non-PC about muslims and have broadcast muslims saying things such as "Islam is superior and cannot live with other religions" etc

General feeling about the ROP? Probably depends on what part of the country, and whether it's big city or not. Listening to talkback radio here, many aren't fooled by the claims of peace and tolerance. There are some pretty strident callers, shooting from the hip, who seem to be quite savvy. Letters to the Editor here are mostly by people who see through the taqiyya too. But that might be a reflection of the paper's owners. Leftie papers will publish mostly pro-Islam letters. Friends and acquaintances of mine are probably half in the know, the other half still in the dark, but the first group is growing as it becomes too difficult to keep swallowing the excuses and lies.

And TV programs aren't too shy about broadcasting some of the more shocking things Muslims say. From TV programs we've heard a sheikh say that women deserve rape if they're not dressed properly (read: like 7th Century Arabs). From TV programs we've seen that American convert in action here, preaching how they are not to take non-Muslims as friends, and other hateful garbage. And interviews with Muslims who make no bones about their true feelings.

Australians are probably the most a-political people in the world.
Ball-games are all that matters, year-in, year-out.

Recently, however, I have noted a little bit of a change in certain quarters though, Mohammedan infiltration is seen as a threat, (which it is) and since the MSM usually sidesteps the issues many are hungry for information.

Australia is definitely a target in more ways than one, Indonesia, our next door -'neighbor' is the most populous Muslim nation on earth and falsely portrayed as "moderate", as if there was such a thing!

At present there are slightly more than 300 000 Mohammedans down-under, and they are intend in turning Australia into a Muslim nation. What else? This is what they do!

So, of course: We have the mosques, the Da'wa activities, the constant howling and wincing about 'discrimination' - and all the while they do their best to out-breed us, to undermine government policy, to sabotage the interests of the Australian people and to further Mohammedan interests.

We need them deported. So far, Howard has managed to halt the "refugee-boats", which was a PR-disaster but it did the trick. For how long?
Now it is up to us to expose them, to ensure the public is informed about what is at stake and what Islam has in store for us if we don't take 'em on, they will finish us off...

And some of those 'clerics' mentioned in the above posts have already declared that in front of running cameras that once they have critical mass they will 'ship us out'....

3oo,ooo is way too many as they breed faster than bunnies. New Zealand has 40,000 at last count. One advantage Oz has is a strong and capable Leader in John Howard. Here we have school Marm Helen who still lives in the Flower Power era. No matter where you go in the world Followers of the "Religion of Peace" know how to make life dangerous and miserable for everyone else. Have come to the conclusion this is the most controlled and joyless religion in the world. When was the last time you saw a Muslim smiling - probably when he was sawing off an Infidel head or exploding himself in the hope of
shagging 72 virgins which must be difficult if you've lost your sausage and 2 veg [presumably not pork]. Reckon time is soon approaching when these miserable primitives can be shipped back to
miserable,poverty stricken countries of origin where they can live under Sharia and continue to mutilate and murder each other rather than us Infidels. In fact the term 'Shape up or Ship out'
was made for Moaning Muzzies...

The answer here is:

1) Educate women.
By educating women about the horrors of Islam, we can ensure no Muslim man ever gets Western p***y again.

2) Stop immigration.
By ending all immigration, which is PERFECTLY LEGAL, especially since control of ones own borders is part of NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY. You have the right to choose who you let into your home.

3) Ending welfare.
Once the cash flow stops, people will be forced to earn their own bacon.

4) Use Assimilationist tactics.
This usually consists of having plenty of social events with alcohol. Board meetings inside of a bar, ect... Social pressures REALLY work.

5) Use "study abroad" programs to "encourage" emmigration.

The methods are endless. The results are priceless.

Australians,
Looks like you your chances are very good, though it's a pity you've been disarmed.

In any case, I think humor and ridicule are
more powerful than guns right now. The Danish
approach is probably the right way. These mobots
are the humorless bunch of nincompoops on the planet, and they really hate being mocked, or
having pictures drawn of the nut they worship, or any discussion of how he was a pervert and assassin and thug.

Gotta poke fun at'em every step of the way,
and there are currently no funnier people on the
planet than Australians. So from what I'm hearing from you, I'm optimistic you can lick this. But
you're going to get bombed, as are we Americans.

The attack that otterfish refers to above really got me riled up when I saw it last night on the news. For all JW posters outside Australia who might not know the full story it goes something like this.

5 friends of the accused came to the bail application to support their Muslims brothers and sat up the back of the public viewing area. Maybe they thought they were going to be able to get up and start shouting out their support (i.e. Allahu Akbar or something like that) and trying to disrupt proceedings. Unfortunately for them as they sat down, so did a large contingent of “terrorism task force” detectives in the seats surrounding them.

When the lunch interval came the 5 left their seats and proceeded to the court entrance area where they milled around. The task force detectives duly followed and when one of the 5 didn’t like this “provocation” (maybe he felt his “rights” were being impinged in some manner), he then unwisely made some smart arse and inflammatory comment directed at the detectives. This obviously didn’t go down to well as he quickly found himself with this arm painfully pinned up behind his back being frog marched out the court building before being ejected into the streets, right into a media scrum waiting outside.

Shouting obscenities and cursing the infidels as they made their way up the street they were followed by some of the media contingent, obviously doing what comes naturally to a reporter and their crew, that being trying to do their job and get footage and hopefully a comment or two. Again this was obviously too much of a “provocation” to the men and so they decided to take out there pent up frustrations on an innocent news crew.

This cowardly and dog act shows the true nature of these types. As unfortunate as it must have been for the news crews involved I can’t help but think that this act, that every Australian who has watched the news in the last 18 hours would have now seen, is actually worse for the image of Muslims than the fallout of the arrests of the suspected terrorists. The reason I say this is that although most Australians (including me) think these people are guilty of what they have been accused of, they haven’t yet been found guilty and thank god there hasn’t been an attack that would have inundated our TV’s with horrific images of death and destruction. Thus the only thing the average Aussie can actually definitely know (and by this I mean that we have seen it with our very own eyes) is that these 5 men associated with the men that were arrested, savagely beat up on innocent journalists all because they were doing their job and they were an easy target to takeout their frustration on. I think this visual demonstration of the unsavory aspects of these people will do a lot more to stir up the average Aussie than the foiled terrorist attack, as it was exactly that……foiled……thus we will never see it.

That’s why I nearly choked on my breakfast this morning when I read this article (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17189389-2,00.html ) where a key Islamic leader has voiced fears of a “redneck” backlash against his community. Yesterday police foiled a terrorist attack where citizens of our own country were planning to kill fellow innocent citizens (including women and children) and as far as I know the only “redneck” backlash I have seen or heard about is this unprovoked attack on innocent journalists by associates (or scumbags as I like to call them) of the accused terrorists. It really makes the mind boggle.

On to an unrelated matter. I would like to know what posters on JW are from Australia and whether any of them know of any clubs, societies or meeting groups, Australian blogs or the like where I can meet and talk with fellow Australians about the issues of Militant Islam and Jihad and what they mean for our society and the world as a whole. I know that Feralee is from here and I am pretty sure D.T. is, and I think that PRSC, 3rdtimelucky and Voltaire most probably are as they seem to know specific things about Australia that indicate they live here. Could anyone who reads this comment and is an Aussie JW poster and doesn’t mind doing so just pop in a comment to say that you are from the land of Oz.

And as I said before if anyone can provide me with info as to where I can get in contact with other Australians, especially West Australians (as it would be hard to physically meet up with my fellow Australians on the eastern seaboard……….oh unless the West Coast Eagles make the GF again and then I will be over in Melbourne late next year) to discuss what we can do to make our society free from this scourge that is militant Islam.

G'Day Earthling
I live in a suburb of Sydney(inner west).I also got to a blog called Its A Matter Of Opinion.When I saw those muslim thugs bashing the camera crews I literally stood up and wanted to blue the mongrels. Did you see the footage of a neighbour saying how she hates this country
now and her small boys will turn into terrorists .All because these scum were stopped by the authorities(citing racism, that they are the victims here).I also haven't heard any lefty apologize to Howard about their conspiracy theories being proven wrong.
muslims can say all they want but this little black duck wont take their crap or believe their lies.Now my friends don't think that I'm a nutter anymore.

Earthling - yes I am from Oz. I do my best with letters to the paper/s and politicians about the cancer that Islam is. In fact I am a little worried as I let it rip in my last letter, and the polly concerned referred it to the Attorney General (who knows, with the new terror laws I to might be arrested myself for criticising the government for allowing Muslims in and saying "RoP", even though I have always voted for and supported the Liberals publicly).

This was mainly because he went on about the RoP etc, how Muslims are peaceful, as is Islam etc. I backed up all my comments with Koran, Hadith, and more importantly – history (JW is an awesome resource!). I also asked him that as a “multi-cultural” society when are we going to accommodate Muslim practices such as female circumsion, child brides, temporary brides, jiyza tax, etc – again quoting Koran and Hadith. Oh, I think what really got up his nose was the fact that I asked if the Sunnybank Liberal Branch President, Sultan Dean, spoke for the Liberal Party when he said Jews were responsible for 9/11!! – I got no response to that one even though I asked twice. He’s not a bad polly (in fact I like him a lot) – but I am SO sick of all the PC crap, and if people don’t start speaking the truth soon – well I believe the end result will be mass carnage thanks to Islam. We are all ready seeing the Muslims begin to perpetuate this, and well - I love my family.

Earthling – I would also love to know what Aussie groups exist. We need a group that can cut across all worldview divides. Not just a Christian one (as I am), not just a Gay one, Buddhists one etc. but one that encompasses ALL these groups. That way nobody can call us bigots (which I am – I do believe in right and wrong!), racists, or a self interested pressure group (other than one working to get rid of Islam). The group needs a charter that would stop infighting (eg Gay v’s Christian) and concentrate on the task at hand (getting rid of Islam).

My only concern is – how do we all get together? Muslims lurk on the web masquerading as being on the side of reason, in order to find out who they can target etc (read a really good Christian book – “Secrets of the Koran Revealed” it has an interesting chapter/ case study on how Muslims infiltrate churches to sleep with the pastor's daughter and do anything else to bring disgrace upon the Christian faith – all subversive of course). So I’m all for an Aussie group – how do we do it?

I know once we all meet it would be easy to find out who is a Muslim undercover agent. As an opening ritual I propose we all sit down to a hearty meal of Pork and Bacon and Ham! Followed by prawns on the BBQ and a good beer that's served by a girl in an Aussie made bikini, while throwing darts at an image of Bin Laden and Mohammed, - oh and we all wipe our bums with the Koran before starting! What say ye?

Cheers D.T. , I will be sure to check your blog out. I did see the other footage that you are referring to and I also remember her saying something along the lines of “I wasn't a racist before this but now all this has made me a racist".

What a load of crap, the irony of and the audacity to say it in the circumstances, of that statement amazes me. But then I seem to be in a constant state of amazement these days as to what is going on in the world...........amazement that there are still lefty, bleeding heart moonbats out there trying to claim that Islam is the "religion of peace" and that if we just try to understand their culture and accept that it is different to ours and that therefore we just need to have more understanding and tolerance and possibly make a few concessions so that they don’t feel discriminated against, then we could all get along. WHAT A LOAD OF BULL*#%!

This is one of the biggest problems we face, the appeasers and 5th columnist within our own society. When will they realize that Islam’s basic and core teachings are, sorry to say (I’m not really), totally incompatible with our values and our way of life and also completely incompatible with our form of government…..that being a secular western democracy and everything that that entails.

D.T - did you see the interview on Sunrise (a very PC one) with Mel and David (a real PC lefty) with that double speak expert Kaiser Triad?

Kaiser said that the only religion that has vilified anyone is Christianity (in Australia) as shown by the court case involving Ps Daniel Scot - who merely goes around teaching from the Koran and Hadith to back up what he is saying! Kaiser T is a real snake!

Channel nine had the Waleed idiot. At least Tracy Grimshaw (who is also very PC) had a disgusted look on her face after the interview - as did her co-host.

DT - I hope I don't offend by saying this, but mate - South West Sydney! Come up to QLD! While the Muslims are breeding like rabbits up here, once you get out of Brisbane, things are far less politically correct! What's it like living so close to all those "Peace Lovers"?

ROTFWL at that last comment 3rdtimelucky. I am all for a nice serve of Roast Pork (apple sauce please on the side) and a few refreshing brewskie’s (Carlton Draught thanks……I like the trivia questions on the bottle tops), especially the part about the skimpily clad girls serving it (sorry to all the feminists out there…….yeah you guessed it, I'm not really)

I totally agree with what you are saying, but how do we meet in lieu of what you are saying about infiltrators and masqueraders. I have been pondering this and I really have no idea. As we all know there will be people reading these posts and accessing this site for all the wrong reasons. That’s the problem isn't it; these people I allude to are more than likely to be some dangerous people who if they knew your identity and where you live might be inclined to “challenge” some of your views of their religion. Therefore I would assume it would be very prudent not to reveal too much about your self on a public forum. How then is it possible for like minded people to meet up in their respective states? Last night I tried googling a list of clubs, or societies in WA hoping to find a least some sort of democracy club or a conservative club or the like (I wasn’t expecting to find the anti-Jihad club of Western Australia……..not yet anyway) because I thought that might be a good start. After thinking about it a bit more I realised that at the heart of it, this is an issue that is mainly a religious one. So I would probably be better served going to my local church or finding a Christian club to seek out like minded people. The only problem there as you alluded to above is that I am not a Christian (although I do have what you would call strong Judeo-Christian values) or to be more specific I don’t practice any religion (unless you class following the AFL as a religion......I do). Its not that I have any problems with Christians, because I don’t, I just really want to specifically meet people that are against Jihad and militant Islam and discuss this.

So in the end I don’t think we are any closer to coming up with a solution of how to meet a cross section of people (specifically from your home state) that are interested in discussing Jihad and militant Islam and whether or not Islam can ever be reformed to fit in with the rest of the world and similar issues……….anyone else with any ideas.

D.T., 3rdtimelucky, Earthling, et al,

I'm in Brisbane myself - currently at university (an environment that gives one great appreciation for the contrast this forum provides) and with more and more people waking up I'm also interested to meet fellow JWers.

I like the idea of a group that recognizes the need for unity in the face of threat and abhors infighting and other such infantile distractions. I think that would probably be easier in person, which of course would be nothing too full on, just meeting up for a beer and a yarn or something.

I'm all for it - I'm also for being careful in all things . . .

Be in touch, amigos.

'Skarr

I want to condemn the Bush Administration as a force for Dhimmization:

Read the latest US State Dept report on Dhimmitude:

http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/nov/09india.htm?q=np&file=.htm

I find the US govt's allegations and standards to be unfair!

Lots of new names on the different threads...Robert and Hugh, Rebecca too, (hey that rhymes), must be doing something right...

It's fortunate for muslims that those terrorists got caught...Your average Australian probably would not appriciate being bombed. If you bomb them, they will put another shrimp on the barbi for you...only you get to be the shrimp...

Yep, another Brisbanite here (Kiwi actually)... however I'm not into meetings. You can help society by helping inform those people whom you meet on a daily basis (be it work or play) about some of the basic facts about Islam.

The KEY fact that you need to tell people is that Mohammed used to ride around on a horse killing people while he was alive. Quite a contrast to the Buddha, Christ, or many other great spiritual teachers. Quite a bloody contrast!

In 14th-15th centuries a certain Thomas a Kempis published a great spiritual classic book called "The Imitiation of Christ". The basic idea is that in order to know God (your own inherent divinity), you should try to emulate Christ in so far as humanly possible. And there are similar ideas amongst the Hindus and the Buddhists, and various other groups.

However, the great problem here is that Mohammed is the great exception, as you should NOT TRY to emulate Mohammed, otherwise you emulate the life of a brutal killer.

Most people are aware of the fact that Mohammed was a killer. Even the SBS DVD which I brought about Islam (from amongst the SBS series on religions, ancient civilisations, and leaders) tells the simple facts; ie: Mohammed used to ride around on a horse killing people.

Make sure you tell the people this one fact... if you don't tell them anything else.

Bugger... I made a slight typo error.

What I meant to say, was that most people are quite unaware that Mohammed was a serial killer.

Make sure you let them know this simple fact.

My mate keysar tradd(sarcasm), what an evil snake he is.
I'm not especialy religious but the PC mob really have no clue WTF they are talking about when it comes to islam.Keep reminding the PC mob that political correctness is a marxist theology.Then ask if they could worship a peodophile as a prophet?Lets not forget most people don't know enough about islam, only about the RoP crap then hit them with facts.At least I have my copy of Robert Spencer's book "PIG to islam and the Crusades" even then I had to import it because you just can't get it at bookshops in OZ.I love debating morons about islam,watching their faces go red and puffy when they're losing an argument,then the personal insults start,then they're defeat(still pouting mind you).I tell them to their faces they are ignorant and uninformed.

DT, Razorskar, 3xlucky, all you Aussies:

If you want to meet (in undisclosed locationville somewhere in Far North Queensland) I'll be glad to host it.

I know of a catholic church (somewhere in the tablelands) that was set on fire earlier in the year. It just so happens that there is a mosque nearby and a ranting, raving imam who writes nasty letters about "hypocrites" and "corrupted scriptures", the usual Muzzie-drivel in the local paper..

I think some "Albanian" went to jail for it, but we can safely suspect the 'Imam' instigated it.

Some of us might want to ask a few questions and shine a bit more light on this, since hardly anything was reported on it in the local rags.

You know what to do: Contact Susanp and as long as you are not writing or residing in the Lakemba mosque we'll find a way to get together and make an action plan.

Oy. We're going to need a lexicon in here for all the new slang I am seeing :P ~ *still learning to say 'Eh?'*

I would be interested in helping form or joining an anti-Islamic group in Sydney.

langstieh@yahoo.com

Hey folks, no need for all the paranoia!

We just need a PO box, a moderate name & and a website. Actual meetings could be secret and by invite only. We could meet around my place - south Sydney. I really don't care! I think earthling has hit on something important, bitching here is all very well, but we should get organized.

I don't eat meat, but i'll drink double the beer if that makes yous feel any better.

E Mail me - langstieh@yahoo.com

Earthling, 3rdtimelucky,Razorskarr and all other aussies....

Hi guys, this is my first post but I have been an avid reader of JW and Ali Sina's for about 6 months. I'm from Brisvegas/Gold Coast region and was very pleased to see so many sensible aussie posters.

I originally became seriously interested in all things Islamic when my sister went to work as a nurse in Riyadh back in 2000. The stories she would tell us then were simply hilarious, but with all that has happened since they now just seem sinister.

One such event at the hospital went as follows... one of the patients in the psych ward (no shortage of patients in Saudi!) had a turn and started attacking one of the kiwi nurses. He was grabbing and tearing her clothes, trying to feel her private parts. She was screaming and trying to beat him off. Two other female western nurses ran into the room and tried to get this guy off. Two Saudi security guards also 'finally' turned up but did nothing to intervene. After some minutes the three nurses managed to subdue the patient and the ward manager (another aussie nurse) also rushed into the room.

Once the fracas had settled down they noticed that one of the security guards was standing in the corner of the room jerking himself off and making no attempt to conceal what he was doing. Apparently he found the partial exposure of a breast too provocative to control himself. The Aussie ward manager screamed at him and lodged a complaint with hospital management. A few days later, much to her shock, the sexually depraved security officer had lodged a complaint with management and the ward manager was summonsed to explain why she had allowed a situation to arise whereby a male security officer had been exposed indecently to the woman's partially revealed breast. The guard received no discipline, not even a warning about inappropriate behaviour. The ward manager tendered her resignation on the spot and left the country within days. A number of staff followed a few weeks later.

Anyway, I just wanted to register my passionate interest in establishing an anti jihad association in Australia to combat the dangerous lies, deception and propaganda being perpetuated about Islam. I abhore violence, but I never take a backward step. I don't practice any religion, I'm no radical, just a hard working, open and fair minded tax paying citizen concerned about the seemingly inexhorable morphing of Australia and other freedom loving countries into some Islamic hell hole.

Like most of you, I believe education is the key. People (muslims and non muslims) need to know the real 'facts' behind Islam and the genuine threat it poses to civilisation, no less. Whatever we do we must be smart. We must remain within the boundaries of the law, we must be safe and we must be effective. I own a smallish but very successful IT company. We do quite a bit of Web related work and our main web programmer is also a devotee to the cause. I think a localised website for specific postings about Islamic activities in Australia would be a good place to start. Links to JW and FF of course!

Whilst we are a free and democratic society we don't have the safeguards of a Bill of Rights like the US so the starting point will be to know exactly what our legal constraints are. I also have many legal practitioner friends. From there we could probably look at building an association and lobby group. I have at least half a dozen friends also passionate about the cause. I'm no stranger to challenges and this would be the worthiest cause I am ever likey to be involved in. Thoughts guys....

Hi there is a blog called online forum http://www.onlineopinion.com.au

it has alot of left multiculture and rightwing debate on the islam issue... love to see some posters from usa or uk

I'll wait till I am back at work tomorrow and I will shoot you off an e-mail Timbo as I am on my girlfriends laptop right now and I don’t think it would be right for me to be sending e-mails about issues that she has no interest in, using her e-mail address.
That’s probably half the reason I am so interested in meeting up with like minded people, as I have a serious lack of conversation on the topic while I am at home…..not for lack of trying though.

That’s another thing that I find when trying to tell people about Jihad and Islam and it implications for us in Australia now and in the future……..that being that some people just aren’t interested as they seem to take the view that if it isn’t directly affecting me right here and right now why would I worry about it. Some people are so uninterested in what is happening in the world around them that unless they get slapped in the face with an event they just blissfully go about their day to day lives as if that is just the way things will be for ever………in fact you should probably change that to most people.

I really wonder sometimes how many people realise that the world isn’t just going to move forward into a more peaceful and constructive future by people just sitting back and hoping that it will. The freedoms we all take for granted in the western world aren’t a god given right, they are something that we as humans have had to fight for and if there is one thing worth fighting for in this world it’s to keep those freedoms. I will never follow or submit to anyone or anything that doesn’t have those inherent freedoms. That is why I will never submit to Islam or to being a dhimmini or shy away from saying what has to be said for fear of someone calling me a racist or islamaphobe or the like. I have always thought that racism is a stupid concept anyway, as we are all one race in the end……..the human race. I think the most dangerous idea / concept / behavior (apart from Islam) I have ever seen or heard of is Political Correctness……..I swear if we (and more importantly our politicians and leaders) in the western world continue to make decisions based on, or with “political correctness” in mind it will surely be the death of the western civilization as we know it. Enough of all this mushy “lets all get on” bullshit, if someone clearly shows they don’t want to get on with me and my way of life in my own country why should I accommodate them. Its basic logic…….to be tolerant of people who have no tolerance is akin to committing suicide. When will people get this into their heads………PC will be the death of us all. I say FUCK PC.

I checked out the “itsamatterof opinion” blog and I can see it’s a blog I will be visiting quite regularly from now on. Thanks for the heads-up D.T.

Well there are a lot more posters from Australia than I thought there was, but it seems that they are all over east.........anybody from Perth......anybody......I know we are the most isolated city in the world but surely there must be a fellow JW poster from WA.

I wouldn't mind the same thing here in Southern Ontario.

Just seen the new post (haven't read it yet.....girlfriend wants to get on the net so i will have to read it a bit later)

But I did notice it was another Aussie JW'er.....but guess what.....that’s right...from the eastern seaboard. I am beginning to wonder if my state and I actually exist….....hold on just pinched myself and it hurt......I must exist and therefore so must WA.....it just seems that I am the only JW'er on the West Coast. Damn isolation......I mean its 2700 km from Perth to Adelaide the capital of the state next to WA. That’s 24 hours drive away averaging over 120km per hour non stop the whole way. Man I never really though about just how isolated I am over here in sunny WA. Oh well at least we have a great football team.......and for you fellow Aussies you will realise which team I follow…....because the other one isn’t very good at all.

Sorry all for getting off track

Earthling

I saw the same footage in England on many of the cable news channels.

So many moderate Westernised Muslims, Ambassadors of the Religion of Peace, doing what they do best on camera is the best way to shake everyone out of their stupor.

Regards
Albion

secularaussie:

Like to meet you!

I am interested, very much so.

Here is what I am doing:

http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics2.htm

http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm

I am hoping the Aussie public get the wake up call from our news broadcasts here, which openly speaks of islamic terrorism. The calculating methods of infiltrating the West are still not widely understood.

"Australia is not a developing country so that the Malaysian concepts presented cannot necessarily be applied directly (without modification) to Australian conditions - except in the case of the Aboriginal Community which is a "developing" community."
This quote from a report at the Islamic Foundation for Education and Welfare in NSW on Dar'wah http://www.ifew.com/insight/v12i01/dawaprop.html

is to my mind a vulgar and cunning approach. What ever is meant by "developing", are the Aboriginal community recognized as vulnerable due to poverty and social problems and easy targets for recruitment?

Here is a speech by an ex Sydney detective on islamic crime, identifying problems as far back as 1995
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581

London's underground should have answered any question about the reality of home grown terrorists let alone Europe before that.

Pleased to meet you secularauusie. Your idea about a specific Australian JW style website is a great idea. unfortunately my skills with computers and the web are pretty limited but if you get any further with your plan then please make sure to post any info here at JW (probably best to post any updates on a thread that has to do with Oz as its more likely to be seen by any Aussie posters).

On to that story you wrote about in your post. The funny thing is that if I had heard that story 4 years ago I would have said you were making it up........but that was a time when I knew very little if anything about Islam. 4 short years later and I now know that the story you regaled us with is all too true and that it wouldn’t have been an isolated incident.....far from it.

Why is it that Muslims expect to come to our countries and have their culture, values and religious beliefs accepted and to be able to practice them freely without fear of persecution, when they know full well if you were to come to their countries and expect the same in return you would be deluding yourself and that if you protested about being discriminated against because of your religion (i.e. being a Christian, Jew, Hindu etc) you would either end up on the next flight straight back out of there (that’s if you were lucky an not taking away for some “morality” training first).

Shiek yer’mami, I checked out those links and my sides are still hurting 20 minutes later. That one about Mohammed being a pedophile is bloody hilarious (the song is hilarious by the way, not the issue it is touching on). I was only telling my mum this morning about Mohammed marrying a 6 year old and consummating that marriage at the age of nine. I will have to show her that as more proof that I am not just making these things up, as well as having a good laugh at the same time.

Meredith, thanks for the heads-up on that blog, it has also been added to my favorites list.

Again if anyone gets further down the road with this idea of an anti-Jihad website specific to Oz or creates a club / society of like minded people then make sure to keep us all posted here by posting details on a thread specific to Oz or on one of the bigger posts that most people will read.

Anyway it’s getting late, so until next time fellow JW’ers keep safe and healthy. Goodbye from sunny Western Australia …………. (well it’s actually 12.30 a.m. so to be truthful it isn’t very sunny at the moment)……..but the forecast is good for tomorrow.

Earthling....

Mate, I like your posts, very pragmatic and sensible, I think we would get along very well :)

I'm definitely committed to putting this aussie site together but it isn't likely to happen until I get some time off work closer to xmas. I want to give it some serious thought and check out our legal obligations etc. I think its important to research into a few of our anti discrimination laws first so as not to give some muzzie or PC activist the satisfaction of closing us down.

What I would like to do is to gather the email addresses of the interested aussie posters here so we can put some words into action,debate what the website should include, assign responsibilities etc. I'm sure, like me, we all operate a disposable freemail account that we can shut off if/when we attract unwanted contributors. I will get the ball rolling. My freemail address is secularaussie@hotmail.com.

I have plenty of other stories. My sister was in Saudi for 3 years, living at one of the western compounds there. Her and her friends have compiled a whole book on all the funny things that happened during their stay, it is seriously unbelievable. They have cut out heaps of newspaper articles. I will look to get them to contribute to the site as well.

By the way, I do quite a bit of travelling for work and will probably be in Perth later this year or early next as there is a business there that we are considering buying. I'm also a keen surfer so will be bringing my board with me. Happy to meet up for a beer or two.

Hope to hear back from you. Cheers.

Razorskarr/ secularaussie - you and I are in the same part of the world - and I suspect that both of us will have holidays soon (I miss-spent much of my youth around the Gold Coast surfing/partying- and am appalled at how many Muslims are there today, not to mention Halal meat stores)

Meeting in a pubic place would be good - how about it?

Susanp - does she have access to emails? If so Timbo, Earthling, secularaussie, DT - you are all welcome to email me via Susanp or Robert S/Rebecca.

I would like to see an action group. Even if we did things like write out koranic passages on big sheets, and hung them from the freeway overpasses so so that infidels can see where the RoP gets all of its ideas from (could you imagine the reaction on talkback radio?), and do leaflet drops in the dead of night doing the same! Just using Muslim texts only, saying nothing else, nothing inflamatory. Who knows, with Roberts blessing maybe we could even put a web link onto the bottom of the "koranic messages of love"?

sheik yer'mami...

Hi! I've seen your site before, I think a couple of weeks ago, most impressed! I must have picked up a link from somewhere on FF.org. I must have played Winds of Jihad at least half a dozen times in succession.... I laughed and laughed. I played it to some of our employees and sent links to a couple of other friends. I would definitely like to include links to your site from ours.

Where abouts are you? The US?

sheik yer'mami - those links are a total crack up! Do you have any other funnies to do with RoP?

I would like to see a group that systematically promotes an anti-Muslim message, but not just in cyberspace.

It could:

Surreptitiously put anti-Islamic stickers on lampposts etc., with slogans & a website address.

Create letter-writing campaigns to organizations & MP's.

Members could systematically phone radio programmes to get the anti-Islamic message across.

...and any other reasonable and peaceful idea that anybody could come up with to get the message out there!

Legally speaking, I'm sure that if you make the object of attack "Islam", rather than simply creating a blanket criticism of "Muslims" -which I think is more reasonable anyway- then you don't fall foul of any NSW law.

For example the question should be:

"Do Islamic principles add to crime in Sydney?"

rather than:

"Are Muslims criminal by nature?"

The difference is subtle, but you can always claim afterwards that it's a religious critique rather than an attack on any particular ethnic group.

You could also add selective news stories on a website, but refrain from adding too much commentary. You could simply let readers deduce the obvious. For example, the above story would be:

"Defence lawyer intimates that Islam stimulates rape"

You really don't have to go out on a limb; you can just offer condensed local news items. Let's face it; Muslims are their own worst publicity!

As far as the Koran goes, you could simply quote appalling passages, again without much commentary. People don't have to be told that "2 + 2 = 4".

I would like to see an "Australian Muslim Bad News Chronology", on the web, which could be achieved by simply plundering the JW - DW archives, using the word search "Australia".

There's so much that can be done.

A quiet meeting in a pub would be a good start methinks.

:-)

Fight Back!

"For example, the above story..."

Woops - forgot which thread I was on.

Timbo,

Hows things? I agree with your sentiments 100%. I certainly agree that Islam is their own worst enemy and the process of explaining in clear, simple language what the religion is all about will go a long way to exposing Islam for what it is. If you stick to the facts and be careful not to use 'subjective inflammatory' comments you can't get into trouble with the law.

Its the FACTS that are most damaging to Islam. Most people I know don't have the foggiest idea about Islam. They don't have any understanding who Mo was or what the religion stands for or advocates. With all of the publicity most people have some sense that something is amiss but they don't quite know why and they are often confused into believing that its only the extremist elements that pose a danger.

On the website front I agree that one of the most effective things we can do is simply to log news articles from Australia and around the world. Agree also with posting articles (with permission) from JW and FF.

In exposing Islam's backwardness one useful and damning critique would be to look at the state of economic affairs in majority muslim nations. Report on per capita income (oil revenue adjusted figures)and the general quality of life in these nations and ask whether it is simply coincidental that all muslim nations or muslim enclaves from Europe to Africa to Asia are shit poor with appalling human rights records.

Most people don't draw the link between Albania/Kosovo, Chechnya, Indonesia, Southern Philipines, Southern Thailand, Iran, Pakistan, Northern Nigeria, Sudan etc. What do they all have in common? I haven't done the exercise but I'm sure there would be a near perfect inverse relationship between the degree of Islamisation and prosperity/general living standards. Put it to the reader... is Islam compatible with the western/free world and the principles we hold near and dear?

We should have a section "Introduction to Islam". Explain briefly how the Koran came into existence, the ABC's of Islamic belief, Mo's history. Chronology of Australian and world events relating to Islam, terror.

There is a heap of excellent quality material on the web, as you've said, no need to reinvent the wheel, just package it well. I for one have an already busy and productive life, too few hours, so I intend to get maximum bang for my time.

I think the website is a good start and with a base association we can look at expanding our educational policies into more direct campaigns. Put the hard questions to local Imams. Get them to put on record things like "Do you believe Australia would be a better place with Islamic law?"

As for website names, perhaps something along the lines of "spotlightislam", "knowislam"... anyway, have to fly, work to do. Anyone interested email me on secularaussie@hotmail.com. Where are you from Timbo?

Meredith, that link you posted written by the policeman was a real eye opener. I am unfamiliar with Oz politics though I've visited your delightful country once and found it both charming and hospitable. I can only imagine ungrateful Islamists being at odds with such a great country. I hadn't realised that Middle Eastern gangs were running amok to the extent he described. No doubt he had to wait until retirement to speak out otherwise he would have been hounded out of his job by the PC multi-cultis who shriek Islamophobe at every opportunity.