As I have noted, CAIR's press release attacking me did not quote a single thing I have ever said or written, but simply ascribed falsely to me things that I do not believe.
Now the Palestinian Information Center, a UK-based site, has gone farther. In an article entitled "Jewish synagogue in California hosts notorious Islamophobe," the Center asserts this:
Spencer reportedly attacked Islam and Muslims, ascribing to them virulent epithets, such as criminals and Nazis.
I said nothing of the kind at the synagogue. Nor have I ever said or written anything like this anywhere else. This is a wholly fabricated and libelous statement -- as anyone who was at the Temple of the Arts on Yom Kippur, and I expect the crowd was between 800 and 1,000 people, can attest.
Just so you know where they're coming from, the PIC adds this a bit farther down:
Some experts believe that Jewish circles are behind much of the present wave of Islamophobia in the West, especially in North America.Some of these circles have found a common cause with evangelical Christians in the US in vilifying Islam and its religious symbols.
Well, I have news for them: I am neither a Jew nor an evangelical Christian. The international jihadists have offended more people than just those two groups. Nor am I going to take their lies lightly. I have written to the Palestinian Information Center asking for a retraction and an apology (no, I am not holding my breath). I am not so much concerned about my reputation, which will never rise high among jihadists and jihad-abetters. But I am concerned that they not get away with shamelessly misrepresenting the facts in order to smear those who oppose jihad violence.
Of course, who am I kidding -- shameless misrepresentation of the facts has been a weapon in the jihadist arsenal ever since Muhammad declared that "war is deceit."
It's always "the Jews" with them, isn't it? I never knew anything about Islam until the Iranians kidnapped our embassy staff. It's been downhill since then. I'm neither evangalistic nor Jewish, but I can read.
The PIC is Hamas. Based in Beirut, it functions as their 'press office' and is aligned with the Damascus leadership, as opposed to the Gaza-based leadership. Congratulation:-)
Robert,
Keep in mind that these antisemites are not just attacking you but also the synagogue and by attacking the synagogue, they are attacking Judaism. CAIR is an antisemitic hate site. They are below contempt.
So how would CAIR challenge this article first published in 1910? Excerpt:
Note the claim at the very end of the excerpt, the exact same assertion that Mr. Spencer makes today in his books and writings.
RE: Of course, who am I kidding -- shameless misrepresentation of the facts has been a weapon in the jihadist arsenal ever since Muhammad declared that "war is deceit."
You are exactly right Mr. Spencer. Fortunately, it is people like you who are correcting the misrepresentation of historical facts by Muslims.
Truly, it is a noble cause that you have undertaken. The truth is on your side. The darkness of Islam must be exposed to the light.
How about translating more of your books into French?
Storm trooper tactics through and through. And these folks are obviously playing to a hateful and dangerous choir.
Robert - they are defaming you in a public way. You could take them to court (if you have the money to take on the Saudi Islamic Legal Fund), but then again - truth is "relative" these days.
You are obviously having an impact Robert. Keep up the good work while keeping your head low!
CAIR is always on. They always have to gin up their base. Same as NOW and other feminist groups will rant & rave, try to kill George Bush's Supreme Court nominees. The truth is irrelevant to CAIR and NOW. Donations are VERY relevant.
Dougie Hopper says: Show me the money! Money talks and bllsht walks. Money money money money
"Some experts believe that Jewish circles are behind much of the present wave of Islamophobia in the West, especially in North America"
Ummm, no dillweed. It's not Jewish circles that are behind the wave of 'islamophobia'. You muslims can thank yourselves for the wave of islamophobia that has enveloped all corners of the Earth. Your koran, your hadiths and your sura's are the the reason for all of this death and destruction, and hence our 'islamophobia'.
Please don't think that you can shit all over the world and not have some people stop and think, "what is making these people shit on us". It's your koran, your hadiths and your sura's. And the worst part for YOU, is that we infidels are on to you.
You are obviously having an impact Robert. Keep up the good work while keeping your head .....................................heh,...................................geht die Maschine hin und her?:Time will tell....
good luck brave and noble RS,and crew,...........................
We thank you for your work so far..........good luck everyone.
CAIR will realize that the harder it pushes, the harder it will be pushed back. People are begining to turn a deaf ear to their nonsense.
So you're a "notorious Islamophobe", are you? This is outrageous! If the propagandists and liars cannot incite mad muslim mobs to physically attack Islam's critics, they resort to defamation of character with fabrications and outright lies. C.A.I.R.'s pusillanimous, hypocritical tactics are really pathetic, and reveal the chilling malevolence of this cabal of of hate-mongering terrorist supporters.
C.A.I.R. is desperate to keep Islam's dirty little secrets from being exposed because if the truth gets out, it's all over for them and the jihadists residing in America. Now they will enlist the help of their useful idiots to demonize you. I think you have enough supporters to overcome anything C.A.I.R. dishes out. I expect them to resort to their usual unethical, underhanded tactics to pressure you into apologising, even though you have nothing to apologise for. These venal scumbags transcend arrogance and I eagerly anticipate their day of reckoning. They cannot get away with blackmail, extortion, coercion, and intimidation forever, even if they have an unlimited supply of Saudi Wahabbi money. Free speech is something these tyrannical muslim fanatics will never understand.
Frederick the Great had an excellent quote: "I speak in French to my diplomats, in Italian to my mistresses and in German to my horses".
Don't waste your "French" on horses.
Right on, Miss Sexy.
You just hit the nail on the head. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. The big question is, how do we explain it to all the lemmings who are our friends and family members who can't see the truth? They are so busy worrying about the price of gas, the price of housing, whether George Bush lied about the war or not, (Who cares?!!) WHATEVER!
Perhaps we who join together at this site for clarity and mutual support need to step up our efforts to get the word out. Maybe we could buy everybody we know Robert's PC book on Islam and the Crusades for Christmas, shoot his book to number one on the best seller's list which would also help him financially if he decides to go after the true infidels in court.
Yeah, what do you think you guys? I'm in for ten copies!
"Robert - they are defaming you in a public way. You could take them to court (if you have the money to take on the Saudi Islamic Legal Fund), but then again - truth is "relative" these days."
Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at November 13, 2005 07:48 PM
The issue isn't money. The real issue is leaving the secure undisclosed location that Mr. Spencer is currently in and going to a unsecure and disclosed court house - plus the possibility of being ambush along the way or being followed back to said secure undisclosed location.
Many a critic of Islamists have been silenced. Such is the price one pays to speak the truth about Islammists. But I applaud you and admire your efforts, Mr. Spencer.
There are those of us who will have no problem putting on a uniform and dodging IEDs and bullets for a few years. After a few years of that, we go back to being nameless and faceless civilians living out perfectly normal and anonymous lives. But what you do, sir, has put your name and face on the hit list of every Islamist fanatic in the world for the rest of your life. Your courage puts us to shame.
Robert-
Clearly, the goons are going after you because they realize that people are hearing the anti-Jihad message in greater numbers than ever before. Surely you realize that these stepped up,libelous, sorry attacks are increasing as the PIG sells more copies.
You're starting to make a positive difference in how Islam is perceived, and people like the PIC are merely making themselves look desperate.
Yes Ben, you have an important point to consider. But that is all the more reason that we resist and not only defend ourselves but go on the offensive to rid ourselves of this malevolent force that seems to have a million heads. If we only resist we will eventually be over run, but if we mount an all out offensive of words and information and never let up in countering their lies, we'll beat them at their own game. The more we talk about it on this site, the more furious these satanic warriors become. Don't you think someone will notice what THEY are doing if we continue to tell the truth, often and LOUDLY. We can never let up.
Fighting them and beating them is the only way we can make the streets safe for Robert to walk upon again. And if we look back through history we will see that the Moslems have been beaten back, many times. We just have to remember that the price for our freedom is eternal vigilance.
What's so wrong with the term "Islamophobe".
I for one am afraid of Islam.
Maybe the term should be adopted quite literally by folks like Robert in defiance of the bogus implications it's usually paired with.
Actually Robert, Sun Tzu said war is deceit about 1100 years befor that caravan raiding pedophile. But remember the louder they scream, the closer to home you are hitting. Keep slugging brother and watch your six.
Some experts believe that Jewish circles are behind much of the present wave of Islamophobia in the West, especially in North America"
Isn't the attitude these monkeys have about Jews racist? I'm sick of this injustice. I've had it! I should be able to burn a couple of cars for these never-ending accusations and dishonor. No, I know what I'm going to do. I'll go public with a kaffiya and a groucho Marx gag nose and glasses. I'll chew gum that makes my teeth black and dance like a fool while eating a ham sandwhich. That'll piss 'em off. Maybe I'll start at the Farooq Mosque.
There is an article on the Palestinian Information Center Web site that should be read by policy makers, and anyone interested in the truth about the foundation of Arab hatred of Israel. Here it is:
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_13.shtml
Hugh Fitzgerald has argued on this Web site that the relentless Arab war of extermination against Israel should be viewed as a 'lesser jihad', one part of the 'greater jihad' against all Infidels. In this article the Islamic foundations of the war against Israel are made perfectly clear: The political grounds for the founding of the state of Israel are utterly neglected. It is argued that Jews have no rightful claim to land because they are corrupt and have strayed from their traditions. The Hebrew prophets are in fact Muslim, and Israel was a Muslim land, even in pre-Islamic times. Hence, there are no religious grounds for the Jewish state; in fact, the Qur'an and hadith make very clear the corruption of Jews (and the dehumanizing, genocidal commentary in the hadith regarding Jews and the end times should get the attention of everybody, but it doesn't, of course) and that Muslims have an obligation to fight them, kill them, subdue them, drive them off, and, according to Allah's will, claim the entire world for Allah.
The anti-Semitic paranoia, the grandiose ambitions, the blatant falsification of history, and the frightful ideological foundations of this war, this jihad against Israel, reveal the Islamic heart of the so-called 'Palestinian struggle'.
The deceptive strategies, the lies belong to this context. 'War is deception', said the Prophet. And anything goes in the war against the Infidels who dare to stand in the way of Islam's destiny.
The "Islamophobe" label is particularly strange since the Koran is filled with passages which exhort Muslims to instill "terror in the hearts of the unbelivers." If they do their religious duty, you're a bad person.
I consider myself Islamobored. Their playbook is not only violent, but stale, and drearily repetitive. Never debate, just call someone a name. No matter how many Muslims commit acts of senseless violence while shouting "Allah is greatest" - say it with me - "it has nothing to do with Islam."
Yah shor.
Not having Spencer's qualities doesn't prevent me from recognizing them for what they are, and I stand in awe. I put away my lantern. I've found an honest man.
"Some experts believe that Jewish circles are behind much of the present wave of Islamophobia in the West, especially in North America."
You don't say! And here I thought it had something to do with 19 mohammadans crashing
civilian jetliners into buildings, and the
subsequent collective high five in the
mohammadan world.
I for one detest this cult, even more than the
annoying scientologists, who, while lawsuit
happy, have yet to saw the head off someone on
video. What a disgusting bunch these mohammadans
are. Islam, the bad news religion.
All these hooded circus clowns are doing is bringing more people to the site. You can't believe a word that comes out of their mouths, they are natural born liars.
To hell with them. They will continue to be exposed for the racists they are and there's nothing they can do about it.
More on the way.......
I, for one, am proud to belong to this circle of the enlightened! I always knew there was something wrong with Islam / Muslims... the way they behave, the way they grow long beards (and wear coffee filters on their heads) whilst "praying" to Mocca.
If it weren't for Robert, Hugh and this website I wouldn't have reached a rather high level of education on all things Islam. And because of the information that we can find on this website I'm a lot more eloquent when it comes to educating others about Islam.
You are both heroes, Robert and Hugh. People with humanist ideals should be grateful to you forever.
CAIR has finally realized that they can't silence you as long as you stick to the facts ... of their own (Koran, hadeeth, sira) words.
Now they have to discredit you.
If they can't do that ... then old tried and true jihad ... violence.
Which will leave CAIR and Islam standing naked and exposed.
Robert,
Keep doing what you are doing. Even us non-self-loathing-Jews are on your side.
Perhaps there are some Reps and Senators that are sympathetic to your cause that might have some interest in pressuring CAIR in some way. It's worth looking into...
Islamophobia? DC Watson and others have dissembled this nonsense in previous threads.
Recently someone posted a very appropriate list of well documented 'infidelophobia':
NEWS FLASH!
HATE is not a family value. It is not a phobia to expose Islam's teachings about non-believers.
"Some experts believe that Jewish circles are behind much of the present wave of Islamophobia in the West, especially in North America."
The terrorist attacks are the reason for Islamophobia. They don't need help from the Jews or evangelical Christians to accomplish that.
NEWS TO ALL AUSTRALIAN READERS:-
I just heard on the Radio - there was a bomb scare in Brisbane. It interupted transport for a bit.
"Be alarmed, not alert"
SAKHAROV
Cornelius Boza Edwards
When Andre Sakhrov made his faitful decision to go up against the Soviet juggernaught and write 'Peace, Progress and Intellectual Freedom' in 1968, his mother-in-law of all people was the one to sit him down and prepare him for what lied ahead. Her recollections of the late 30s were first hand, and she warned him of the inevitable vilification campaign...to be followed by arrest and physical repression.
Sakharov made his choice...it was the only choice a man of integrity could make.
Like clockwork, the vilification campaign began. His Jewish wife (Elena Bonner) was portrayed by the regime as the evil witch who had - on behalf of foreign intelligence - devilishly corrupted an otherwise great man who previously contributed so much to the Soviet State (for those unaware, Sakharov was the father of the Soviet hydrogen bomb).
For any man who has ever loved a woman, can you imagine a scenario where she was vilified and viciously slandered all over the press and TV news because of her loyalty to you? It would be enough to evoke murderous fury or total despair in the best of men.
But not Andre Sakharov. He went on to write 'My Country and My World' in '74(?). It was apparent from this work that his political evolution was undergoing a metamorphosis. Whereas he had previously propagated his beief in convergence - that the West would socialize just as the East was liberalizing and the two would meet in the middle, now he had realized that reformation in the East was improbable if not impossible...and he began to entertain alternatives.
One thing I distinctly recall when reading him at this time (I was in my mid-teens and was undergoing my intellectual awakening) was his admiration for US diplomatic efforts to achieve peace in the Middle East. He castigated his own government for its obstructionism.
After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in Dec '79, Sakharov and his wife were interally exiled to the closed city of Gorky, where they lived in complete isolation from the outside world. During that time, he went on periodic hunger strikes to protest his living condition. On one such occasion, he was hospitalized, force-fed intraveneously, and adminstered psychotropic drugs which altered his perceptions (and were hoped by his persecutors that they would weaken his defiant will).
To no avail. This was no ordinary human being.
Eventually, Mikhail Gorbachev became General Secretary, rehabilitated Sakharov, and the great academecian was voted a member of the Supreme Soviet. He eventually died of heart failure in '87(?)...and his funeral procession was one of the great political demonstrations in the history of mother Russia.
Sakharov was a nobel peace prize recipient and his written works, if slightly suffering from the naivetay of a scientist attempting to dabble in the unfamiliar terrain of politics, stand the test of time in their integrity of outlook and in their testimonial to the indominability of the human spirit.
Yes folks, I came home inebriated tonight, frustrated and angry by the loss of my football team in a cliff-hanger. My decision to write this essay was quite spontaneous...an instictive reaction to 'The Lies Escalate.'
All I know is that Robert Spencer can quietly fade away...or he can pursue his noble mission with verve and defiance...come hell or high water. I don't know him from Adam except what I read on these pages...but something tells me that neither CAIR, the House of Saud, the Iranian gov't or any other entity in the world is going to succeed at shutting him up.
Andre Sakharov would be proud.
Momma taught me a couple of things while I was growing up;
1. Never accept a ride from a stranger.
2. Don't make faces, it could freeze like that.
3. Always wear clean underwear, in case you're in an accident.
4. If CAIR calls a man you respect a "notorious islamophobe", stand by him in any way you can.
The louder they squeal, the surer we are that you're making a difference. I SMELL MOMENTUM!
Outstanding news aside, these are very bad men and nobody knows that better than you. Be very careful. The more you truth you offer up, the more people you reach, the more lives you improve, the more sorrow you prevent, the more you will enrage the beast.
I am going to see if there are people in my community that would be willing to help defray the expenses of keeping this site, and the admirable people who give it life, operational and protected.
God Bless.
Hey Dougie, make sure you read all the posts. Realize how pathetically delusional your "Religion of Body Pieces" is. I mean really, how can an ideology that has produced almost NOTHING but death, rape, lies, theft, terror, and a bunch of dour,pissy-attitude mullahs(they don't get out much, do they?) think it could possibly come to dominate the world, let alone run the m**********r for even 24 hours. I can just see it; electricity goes down, cable is out, beer going warm, cold pizza, boats on Main Street and trains in the river, firehouses burning, dogs howling at the moon, all before lunch. Yup, that stunning muslim apptitude for creating a better world.
But you keep right on having your widdle tantrums, stamping your widdle feet and making your widdle no-hair-growing head get all cute and red. By the way, that's a really neat trick you do, making that vein pop out on your temple(hah, TEMPLE!, I crack me up).
Dumb-ass.
From Tokyo today:
The EU is on skid-row. The French are leading the pack. Rarely have I been more disillusioned, every-time I go to Eurabia these days it seems to get worse.
No heroes there. Everybody is scared s@*tless but nobody wants to stick his neck out.
I don't see anyone like Hugh or Robert in all of Europe spreading the word, Yes: There is Geert Wilders and Ali Hirsi and a few others, but the problem generally is knowledge, like one poster above rightly pointed out. Jihad Watch has made an invaluable contribution in that sense.
Many like us who feel deceived by our polit-props and the PC-brigades, let alone the loony left, those of us who have been searching for answers since 9/11 and not only since then (I have never forgotten the Munich Olympics and the hijacking sprees in the seventies) those of us who realized long ago that this is much bigger than communism and that Islam will trouble us for many years to come, perhaps decades more. Unless we expose them at every turn, not unless we unite and return fire with fire will we make inroads. Internment and deportations are just the beginning, but we are far from it.
France is going down without the Marselleise. I could add a few profanities about spineless creeps like the grand-master of grimaces Chirac and DdV, (who is said to be a male) but it is unnecessary. You get my drift....
Unfortunately, Robert would be a voice in the wilderness in Eurabia right now but I'm sure as the conflagrations become ever more problematic by the Religion of Peace, the voices of dissent will grow. Islam is inherently conflictive and has been against everything and everyone since its inception.
Robert must be getting at them with his books and this website. Truth will filter out the evil muslim clerics and their evil cult, and in the end that is all that counts. l will continue to pray for Robert's safety and courage to keep up his quest. God Bless Robert!
I have said here before, and I will repeat in as an echo to the deserved praise of a brave and honest man, Robert Spencer.
CAIR undoes its mission each time it tries to advance Iand protect Islam using the language of modernity, liberalism and democracy. The irony is, those are the only sources of the kind of tolerance they expect from non-Muslims, certainly not their own tradition of conquest and subjugation which even in their touted Spain, only reached something akin to Apartheid.
Their founder, with his wars and brides; one captured and raped-- her family murdered, one nine years old, cannot make it as a role model in the 21st Century among civilized people.
The more CAIR behaves like the watchdog group of a protected minority, the more the gap between how they want Muslims to be treated and how Muslims treat others by their laws is exposed.
GD, Mr. Spencer. I hope for you wive and children's sake that you have a good life insuracne policy. I'm dead serious. I think that the jihadis would stop and nothing to see you dead. I hope that you have named a successor should this happen... maybe you have something worked out with Hugh.
Really, term life is the best thing going. I got a policy that would completely take care of my kids up to and through grad. school.
And thirty-year term at my age works great. One reaches the age where "30 years" is statistically synonymous with "for the rest of your life."
But get the 30-year plan; don't go with 10 and think that you'll renew in 10 years for another 10; it'll be much more expensive.
Well, I don't even really know whether you have wife and kids, or whether you don't already have life insurance, but this was what I was thinking. It would be bad enough to hear that jihadis got you; it would be much worse to hear that you left behind a family that is heading to the poorhouse without you.
Another good friend that runs a website told us that he didn't have life insurance, and found out he has some kind of cancer so now he can't get any.
Hopefully you won't need it... but one never knows. A lot of these jihadis are computer techs, computer engineers (which reminds me: the defense has rested in Al-Aryan's terror trial,) hackers, software writers, etc.
KJ
Let'em go right on spewing their sewage. The west, despite the current nasty bout of the PC/MC/ME virus, is not the mindless, mentally shackled mob that Islam is so used to in it's own sphere. Modernity has armed us with our most powerful weapon, rational thought. While fascist urges for anti-modern reaction hold currency among the left, many without even recognizing it, we, the recipients of the legacy of modern, rational man, are armed with critical minds and the tradition of investigation. The mentally lazy can take what is offered up unquestioningly, sure that if it's said enough it must be so. But truth is a relentless, nagging force. It stands there, patiently waiting. It will not be denied.
Let them spew, truth is out there. Whispering in everyones ear, it is louder than the bellowing of hate. The louder the hate, the clearer the truth.
British libel laws being what they are, I would think Robert has one hell of a case against the PIC. Are there any Brit lawyers out there willing to take this on on a contingency basis, if not pro bono and go after the PIC and its "patrons"?
This may initially sound personnel and little off topic but please bear with me....
I have just finished a long term relationship with my girlfriend who's father happens to be a leading leftwing apologist for islamofascism and a true beacon of reactionary thought about so called "anti-imperialism".
Without leading myself into a libel action he himself has published many a shortsighted tome on Americas involvement in Iraq written from the comfort of his ivory tower in a middle class country idyll with only the mainstream media for guidance,whilst scoring bitter points against the British Labour Party he was expelled from many moons ago.
To put things into context i'm just a working class songwriter who rejects this form of "champayne socialism" masquerading as the anti war movement and I have spent the best part of 2 years walking a tight rope and juggling peoples emotions whilst going around with the "wooden tongue" unable to voice my opinions about dhimmitude,the caliphate,religious nihilism,in favour of the pursuit of democratic freedom,equality for women,artistic expression..etc etc..without being shot down and branded as some sort of arrogant neocon,which is unlike me as I'm a free thinking artist who believes in the ABSOLUTE truth.
My parting words to my ex and her family were "Next time you march for "stop the war" just check who your marching with and if they are in any way linked to a politicised islamic group then you will indeed bacome a fellow traveller with fasiscm in its most malignent form."
It's good to know that i'm not alone in my beliefs and it takes a brave soul with a mavericks heart to speak out in these dark days historical revisionism..so I take my hat off and raise a glass to all who are prepared to speak out against islamofacism.
ovinesongs:
Bravo for recognizing your former love's father for what he is. I'm sure you'll savour this thoughtful opinion piece by Michael Gove, discussing Salman Rushdie, Ian MacEwen and Christopher Hitchens, who seem to be the few writers and intellects on the left (and I say this as someone identified as being on Canada's centre left for decades) who didn't buy into the crap you reference above.
"McEwan, Rushdie and Hitchens were the three wise men of the new Left. And then came the collision — between the pen and the sword. In 1989 their liberalism came into conflict with a reality harsher than any conjured by their fictional imaginings. The fatwa pronounced by Ayatollah Khomeini on Rushdie after the publication of The S@tanic Verses was the moment when magical realism lost its innocence."
I'd post the whole thing, but the "cybercensors" here have red-flagged this article as having too many offending words.
Full article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1055-1862732,00.html
Robert said: "I am not so much concerned about my reputation, which will never rise high among jihadists and jihad-abetters. But I am concerned that they not get away with shamelessly misrepresenting the facts in order to smear those who oppose jihad violence."
I do not know if it is sufficiently important to you, but don't you have an actionable claim against them in the UK for libel or slander; if they are unusually litigious in order to quiet those who disagree with them, a proper counter-tactic may be to sue them, seek damages, etc. Perhaps that will at least cause them to hesitate defaming those who honestly disagree with them; it will at least give them a taste of their own medicine.