UK Muslim Youth Give Blair a Piece of Their Mind

"Making Eid a public holiday for all would delight the non-Muslims and make them examine what the festival means"

Yes. Make them. MAKE them examine it. Don't "get them" to examine it. Not "promote it". But "make them" examine it.

Silly kufr. Allah knows, if you don't boss them around they just don't know what to do with their lives, the filthy - I mean beloved infidels - I mean others.

Imam Geoff

They can keep their Eid! We don't want that as a public holiday here in the United Kingdom any more than Saudis want Christmas as a public holiday there in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

So, muslims in Britain think the Iraq war fuels extremism. It is interesting that saddams murder of 3-4 hundred thousand Kurds and his slaughter of God knows how many shiites did similarly upset the muslim world; Or that the murder of Jewish civilains does not upset muslims; or that the contiued represion of pro democracy elements in most muslim countries does not fuel extremism.

In sum, this is their logic: "when muslims murder millions of innocents or repress pro democracy elements, we tacitly aquiecse; however, when the white man removes a genocidal dictator and works hard to establish beneficial political change, well, we are outraged!!It drives our poor, victimized youth living with the benefits and privilages of the West into bin Ladens arms!!

Heaven help us...1.3 billion delusional people in the world that follow this so called religion of peace

The religion of grievance and entitlement .

And princess Blair fell for it.

Britain is in poor hands.

But then we have Rushdie in NewYorkCity supporting Kashmiri islamists and the PA in their "grievances".

the evil is in the teachings of the Koran.

"Blair, on his part, said that the young Muslim group represented the real voice of the young British Muslims, according to the daily."
-- from the article above

How does he know? On what basis does he know what the "real voice" (whatever that is) of "young British Muslims" might be? Why can't he take a few days, say the next time he is staying as Berrlusconi's guest -- no, we can't wait until the summer, so what about over Christmas -- to read just a few books, just a few, about Islam. What about the "Politically Incorrect Guide" -- yes, a work of haute vulgarisation, meant for a wide audience, but so what? What about "Islam and Dhimmitude" and "Eurabia"? What about "The Legacy of Jihad" with all that collected scholarship by the most eminent Western scholars in the pre-PLO-worship, pre-petrodollar-recycling period of the Western world's existence? And then, how about actually reading the texts which have formed, to the exclusion of virtually all else, the Muslim worldview, the view not only of those who go regularly to the mosque, but of those who hardly go at all -- the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the Sira?

Doesn't Tony Blair owe the people and civilization at least that? At least a week of solid reading? Just that?

"Making Eid a public holiday for all would delight the non-Muslims and make them examine what the festival means", an optimistic young woman told Blair

I have a bad feeling in my bones. This will catch Tony's (and wife's) shallow imagination. Wait for it.

Since when is this appropriate?:

a tiny minority is dictating to the majority culture, demanding that the majority implement procedures so that this minority can maintain a foreign culture.

Britain and other Western countries are downplaying the religious belief and feeling of the majority, eliminating much of public Christmas display and celebration, and are asked to make Eid a public holiday for the benefit of the tiny minority. To do so is insanity and cultural suicide for non-Muslims anywhere in the West.

So Blair is going to set up another timewasting,squandering of Taxpayer money - 'A Government Committee. Ha, Ha...Lord HawHaw.
Dhimmi Blair whose corrupt & weak government has supported Terrorists and their families in luxury for decades in Londonistan. SORRY MATE, YOUR TIME IS UP !!
As for 'your place in History' you will be reviled by Britons & Muslims alike even if for different reasons. Vain, posturing Fool - YOU HAVE BROUGHT A ONCE PROUD NATION TO THE EDGE OF AN ABYSS.

"We're losing confidence and trust in you,"

Ya right. Like it was ever there to begin with you lying seditious punk. Muslim allegiance to the Labour party is name only and only because of the partys propensity of giving undeserved handouts to minorities. Young muslims have been programed to only have allegiance to the ummah and is confirmed when Khan said:

"With this foreign policy Muslims feel you are attacking them."

Unless the west comes up with a strategy of disconnecting it's muslim populations from the rest of the ummah, we will always have a fifth column in our midst and it can only end in tragic consequences.

Whats happenning? All my posts have mysteriously vanished from this site????

From the article:

"Making Eid a public holiday for all would delight the non-Muslims and make them examine what the festival means"

"I'm Muslim but that has nothing to do with my Britishness, which is about being free to go out for a drink and to dance."

The Brits should actually look forward to Eid being made national holiday, celebrate it the most British of ways, go our revelling, to the pub, enjoy drink, dance in the streets, and *gasp* let the sexes intermingle, closely and tightly.

So that the moment and meaning of the occassion is not lost, hang giant Happy Eid banners, festooned with pig characters. Bacon booties should help soak up all that beer, too. In fact roast suckling pig should be the special at all the pubs.

Yes, find out what this festival means and what it means to be British! Make Eid an all British secular holiday, yes, secularize it as much as that "winter holiday." It's time to PARRRTY!

If Eid becomes a public holiday in Britain, then Britain is well on the way to becoming an Islamic republic.

And the hope that other British muslims might have is that, other countries will follow Britain's example.

DENNIS: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an
inferior!
ARTHUR: Well, I AM king...
DENNIS: Oh king, eh, very nice. An' how'd you get that, eh? By
exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to our outdated imperialist
dogma which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our
society! If there's ever going to be any progress--
WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh -- how
d'you do?
ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the
Britons. Who's castle is that?
WOMAN: King of the who?
ARTHUR: The Britons.
WOMAN: Who are the Britons?
ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.
WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an
autonomous collective.
DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship.
A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
DENNIS: That's what it's all about if only people would--
ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives
in that castle?
WOMAN: No one live there.
ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
WOMAN: We don't have a lord.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We
take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the
week.
ARTHUR: Yes.
DENNIS: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified
at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal
affairs,--
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the
purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of
the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to
carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing
swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive
power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some
farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power
just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an emperor just
because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd
put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you hear that, did you hear
that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing
me, you saw it didn't you?

I just started reading Robert Dreyfuss (wonder if he is related to the Capt Dreyfuss in France) called
The Devil's Game

Read first chapter and last, and now will read the middle.

Found out some interesting stuff, which might account for Blair's enthusiasm for Islam.

It seems that the British Empire has since the mid 19th Century embraced Islamic Fundamentalism (and created the Saud Dynasy and Europe backed the Ayatollahs of Iran), as a counter measure to Arab Nationalism.

You've heard of Sayyid Qutb and Hasan al Bani, but have you heard of their intellectual fathers Jamal Eddine al Afghani(1838-1897) (an appellation he adopted to obfuscate his origins), who begat (intellectually) Mohammed Abduh (1849-1905), an dEgyptian pan_islamic activist who begat Mohammad Rashid Rida (1865-1935), a Syrian disciple who moved to Egypt and found a magazine, The Lighthouse, who begat Hassan al Banna (1865-1949) whose book "Milestones" is the bible of the Islamists, Banna begat many offspring, among them were his son in law, Said Ramada, the Muslim Brotherhoods international organizer, whose headquarters were in Europe, Abdul Ala Mawdudi, the founder of the Islamic Group in Pakistan, Banna's other heirs setup granches of the Brotherhood in every Muslim state, in Europe, and in the U.S.A. Another of Banna's offspring was Osama bin Laden- and his family of begats keeps growing... orchestrating suicide bombings in Israel, Iraq, Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia, London, Spain.

And it all starts with Jamal Eddine al Afghani, who was sponsored and supported by the Brits, just as the Sauds are also a creation of the Brits.

In other words they promoted (and still promote) Islamism as a counterpoise to leftist and nationalist inclinations.

So what we are having to confront is unintended adverse consequences, or is it a misbegotten and arrogant adherence to the "Great Game"

There are, of course, things in The Devil's Game that Jihad Watchers don't like, but he documents, in short form, that what is happening is nothing more than hatched chickens coming home to roost,
The Brits, French, America, past and present administrations have all conspired, for pragmatic and expedient purposes..exigencies of the game, to create the Frankenstein monster that is now gobbling up the mid east, exporting Jihad and Da'wa to the west and causing so much slaughter and grief around the world.

Today it’s convenient to speak about a Clash of Civilizations. But in Devil’s Game I show that in the decades before 9/11, hard-core activists and organizations among Muslim fundamentalists on the far right were often viewed as allies for two reasons, because they were seen a fierce anti-communists and because the opposed secular nationalists such as Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser, Iran’s Mohammed Mossadegh.

In the 1950s, the United States had an opportunity to side with the nationalists, and indeed many U.S. policymakers did suggest exactly that, as my book explains. But in the end, nationalists in the Third World were seen as wild cards who couldn’t be counted on to join the global alliance against the USSR. Instead, by the end of the 1950s, rather than allying itself with the secular forces of progress in the Middle East and the Arab world, the United States found itself in league with Saudi Arabia’s Islamist legions. Choosing Saudi Arabia over Nasser’s Egypt was probably the single biggest mistake the United States has ever made in the Middle East.

A second big mistake that emerges in Devil’s Game occurred in the 1970s, when, at the height of the Cold War and the struggle for control of the Middle East, the United States either supported or acquiesced in the rapid growth of Islamic right in countries from Egypt to Afghanistan. In Egypt, Anwar Sadat brought the Muslim Brotherhood back to Egypt. In Syria, the United States, Israel, and Jordan supported the Muslim Brotherhood in a civil war against Syria. And, as described in a groundbreaking chapter in Devil’s Game, Israel quietly backed Ahmed Yassin and the Muslim Brotherhood in the West Bank and Gaza, leading to the establishment of Hamas.

Still another major mistake was the fantasy that Islam would penetrate the USSR and unravel the Soviet Union in Asia. It led to America’s support for the jihadists in Afghanistan. But as Devil’s Game shows, America’s alliance with the Afghan Islamists long predated the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and had its roots in CIA activity in Afghanistan in the 1960s and in the early and mid-1970s. The Afghan jihad spawned civil war in Afghanistan in the late 1980s, gave rise to the Taliban, and got Osama bin Laden started on building Al Qaeda.

Would the Islamic right have existed without U.S. support? Of course. This is not a book for the conspiracy-minded. But there is no question that the virulence of the movement that we now confront—and which confronts many of the countries in the region, too, from Algeria to India and beyond—would have been significantly less had the United States made other choices during the Cold War.

from post above: "...a tiny minority is dictating to the majority culture, demanding that the majority implement procedures..."

That is a pretty good summary of the European mode of governance... Something they enshrined in their preposterous EU Constitution -- something which everyman -- the unwased masses -- were smart enough to reject recently --

Hmm -- do you think Europe has a chance to become democratic after all? It would be a tremendous thing -- perhaps we should be trying to spread democracy a little closer to home than in Iraq --