But what Sydney courts fail to recognize, whether deliberately or not, is that jihad indoctrination is sanctioned by the Qur'an and is passed from generation to generation. It's a cultural thing, silly! Concerning a mother's accountability from The Age:
MOTHERS convicted of inciting their children to kill in the name of Allah may face life imprisonment, according to a terror law expert.Secretly recorded conversations produced in evidence in a Sydney court this week showed that terror suspects were allegedly told by their spiritual leader to ask their mothers for permission to wage jihad.
"Some people claim to love jihad but don't respect their own parents," Abdul Nacer Benbrika is alleged to have told two of his co-accused, Mazen Touma and Omar Baladjam.
"You need permission from your parents to go to jihad. If your mother says no to jihad, then no jihad."
Two days later, Touma is alleged to have asked his mother for permission to wage jihad. Her response was not given by the police in evidence.
Barrister and terror law expert David Neal said parents convicted of inciting their children to kill could be jailed for life under Victorian law and for up to 10 years under Commonwealth law.
"Incitement to murder carries a maximum penalty of life under Victorian law. If it is believed that you are urging your child to commit a crime, then you have committed incitement," he said.
"But what Sydney courts fail to recognize, whether deliberately or not, is that jihad indoctrination is sanctioned by the Qur'an"
Daniel Scot told the courts that Jihad is in the Koran. He quoted word for word to the Victorian judges. But they would not believe him, and convicted him of vilification.
The Judges in Australia are Multi-culturalists. They do not want to know the truth. To them, all cultures are equal. Anything else is racist or intolerant.
The words of Golda Meir once again come to mind...
It also should mean that the "Incitement to murder" laws in Australia could be used against the parents and adult relatives of minor children who have committed "honor" killings.
jay
Theodore Dalrymple wrote the following recently in City Journal:
"I asked him whether he thought that, in order to deter him from his course of action, it would be right for the state to threaten to kill his mother and his brothers and sisters—and to carry out this threat if he carried out his, in order to deter others like him.
"The idea appalled him, not because it was yet another example of the wickedness of a Western democratic state, but because he could not conceive of such a state acting in this unprincipled way. In other words, he assumed a high degree of moral restraint on the part of the very organism that he wanted to attack and destroy.
Sounds good to me but rather than kill the immediate relatives, make them pay restitution to victims of shaheeds - and then deport them to Allah land.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_suicide_bombers.html
Yes, you are supposed to ask permission of your parents before going off on Jihad. That is written.
Mom, can i go out and jihad now?..Whitey's Mom said he could go..?
Well, I don't know ,Beaver,..Ward, do you think the Beav is old enough to jihad?
Well, June, you saw what happened to Wally, but if the Beav's homework's done I suppose he can..
Gee,swell..I'm goin' outside to practice right now!
http://www.leaveittobeaver.org/images/gocart.jpg
Definitely rationale enough to deport Mom, Dad and siblings of suicide or wannabe suicide bombers.
Morgane
I think we are beyond deporting they only thke there monsteris think and get others to do bad things to other people NO it is Lock them up or kill them!!!
Exodus
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28: When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall be stoned and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner of the ox is not to be punished. 29: If, however, that ox has been in the habit of goring, and its owner, though warned, has failed to guard it, and it kills a man or woman-the ox shall be stoned and its owner, too shall be put to death. 30: if ransom is laid upon him, he must pay whatever is laid upon him to redeem his life. 31: So too, if it gores a minor, male or female, [owner] shall be dealt with according to the same rule. 32: But if the ox gores a slave, male or female, he shall pay thirty shekels of sliver to the master, and the ox shall be stoned.
33: When a man opens a pit, or digs a pit and does not cover it, and an ox or ass falls into it. 34: the one responsible for ther pit must make restitution; he shall pay the price to the owner, but shall keep the dead animal.
35: When a man’s ox injures his neighbor’s ox and it dies they shall sell the live ox and divide its price;they shall also divide the dead animal. 36: If, however, it is known that the ox was in the habit of goring, and its owner has failed to guard it, he must retore ox for ox, but shall keep the dead animal.
37: When a man steals an ox or sheep, and slaughters it or sells it, he shall pay five oxen for the ox, and four for the sheep.-
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I: If the thief is seized while tunneling, and he is beaten to death there is no bloodguilt in his case. 2:If the sunn has risen on him, there is bloodguilt in that case.-He must make restitution; if he lacks the means, he shall be sold for his theift. 3: But if what he stold-whether ox or ass or sheep- is found alive in his possession, he shall pay double.
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AMEN
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France is stilling burning and REMEMBER the Democrats said we should be more like the French I THINK NOT!!!
Stupid judges or not, the Aussies are showing some serious backbone. Does anyone know if they have stopped Muslim immigration, or at least slowed it down so that it does not represent a demographic threat?
Quijybo
Quijybo - like sheik yer'mami says - it has not stopped.
Howard has done a splendid job in stopping the tide of illegal immigrants (translation for the “do gooders” - "refugees").
However the Muslims are still cascading in from their Islamic hellholes into Australia (shows ow useless the UN is - why should Australia be the world dumping ground for "refugees"??).
As a kid 15 odd years ago, you would be lucky to see ANY Muslims in QLD. In fact back then, you could still put up those good old PAGAN Christmas decorations and not be shouted down by some Lefty or Muslim. Today some shops won’t even put them up.
Now Muslims are everywhere in the big cities and even the regional ones. This I believe, is part of Islamic strategy - to set up a Mosque in every major city/centre in the West to make their presence felt. They are like vampires – sucking our social security dry (maybe I should wear bacon around my neck? Or better yet, rub pork fat into all of my money!)
I do have some mates in the Liberal Party (Howard's Party) who say privately that SOME Liberal Party politicians are doing all they can to stem the tide. However - we don't need "behind the scenes" action - Australia needs to be open about the Muslim problem if lives are going to be saved (both infidel AND Muslim). That said, the Liberal Party openly has the “Sultan” of QLD – Mr Dickhead Dean as brach president of the Liberal Party of Sunnybank.
Unfortunately the sort of open/public debate we need is always squashed (see Daniel Scot - even to a degree, Pauline Hanson who had the idea but not the brain to express it. She concentrated on RACE - which is wrong, rather than BELIEFS - which is worth critiquing).
Oh and I also forgot - as for the Muslims here - their women have about 5 kids per Muslim woman, whereas our infidel women have less than two per woman.
They are also "breeding" us out. Again, when Australia aborts 100,000 infidel babies a year - well maybe we deserve what is coming our way re Islam. 100,000 babies???? That's 100,000 reasons per year why we DON'T need Islamic immigration - or alternatively, that's 100,000 infidels who could have been on OUR side that will never be...
In "The Australian" newspaper yesterday, when they published this cartoon, they also put in a funny cartoon. Check this out:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17246681-2,00.html?from=rss
3x,
Mr. Dickhead Dean? I believe he has a cousin by the same name from Vermont?
And BTW, who is Pauline Hanson?
The question of permission...
Qur’an 2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”
Bukhari:V4B52N311 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘There is no migration after the Conquest of Mecca, but only Jihad. When you are called by the Muslim ruler for Jihad fighting, you should go forth immediately, responding to the call.’”
Muslim:C40B20N4676 “Jihad Is Compulsory.”
It would seem that if warfare is ordained for you by Allah, and Mohammad says you must go out and fight when called, and it is well known that jihad is compulsary, an 'obligation' of every muslim, any permission would not be asked for, or required. 'Go forth immediatly' does not mean to stay home cause Mama said so.
There may be some hidden or exotic reasons for 'permission' that I dont know about. If anyone knows anything, please say so...
Mums convicted? Good! I bloody well hope so.
I hope that more people start seeing through the smokescreen of lies and deception. I hope more people are shocked by the fact that mothers send their own sons out to commit mass murder. And not just in Israel which the PC media excuses away as a response to nasty Israeli oppression, but here, here in Australia that does nothing but bend over for these barbarians. These so-called "moderates" that we keep being told are the vast majority of Muslims. I hope more people at least get suspicious and are not so willing to swallow the taqiyya in future. How many times do you have to have your trust betrayed before you finally get it?
And no, unfortunately, we haven't shut the door totally to the Muslim invasion. The boats were stopped, which was a very, very good thing. But reading through the Migration Review Tribunal database online, I can see they're still barging their way in. I doubt we get too many legal migrants. They seem to prefer the back door. Show up on a tourist visa and then fight the system to stay. Student visas are another scam. And the biggest scam is still the spousal visa.
Pauline Hanson formed her own political party, based on stopping the Asian invasion and going back to Australian roots, versus this politically correct loonie lefty path we were heading down. She wasn't the most diplomatic person, not very politically savvy, very rough around the edges, but she managed to set this country back on the correct path.
Sorry, sheik, I didn't express myself clearly when talking about Hanson. I disagreed with her "swamped with Asians" claim. Actually, I was very uncomfortable with it, and because of her, we do have a bit of a reputation overseas, that is unwarranted. But people don't forget. I don't have any problem with Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc. They've definitely proved to be valuable contributions to many countries. But that was one of her main platforms, regardless of how it makes us cringe. Stopping this invasion, that she was certain was happening. But she did halt the left lean of the Liberals when they saw she did have quite a bit of support from many Australians. Especially on the Political Correctness bit. And I'm sure the Liberals stopped the boat invasion because they saw how Australians were so hostile to being politically correct. Pauline got the swamped bit right, just the wrong group of people.
Jihad is war and if someone preaches [incites] jihad against the country where he is living, you would think that that would be considered sedition, wouldn't you? So why doesn't the UK prosecute for sedition all of those mad mullahs and imams who are preaching jihad against fellow UK citizens? Are they exempt from sedition laws because they preach murder of Jews as part of jihad? Well,they call for murder of Christians too [defined as "Crusaders"]. Why is the UK not enforcing sedition laws against the Muslim hate preachers?
"Sounds good to me but rather than kill the immediate relatives, make them pay restitution to victims of shaheeds - and then deport them to Allah land."
I have this faqntasy of a movie where an angel gives the fanatics exactly what they want -- a true Islamic paradise on earth where there will be no pork, no liquor, no forniction, no music, no movies, no fun at all, and when they're screaming and begging to be released, reminded tht, hey, you asked for it! Kind of like a Twillight Zone episode.
PRCS - Pauline Hanson was a polictician who came out and said,
"Australia is in danger of being swamped by Asians".
This as you could imagine - caused a storm. In fact she really divided the community (or brought it all to the surface - my wife who was born here was told to "go back to your own country you stupid nip" - as buses would drive past).
In short she wanted to preserve our culture - but by going about it in the wrong, racist way.
She failed to realise that culture has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with beliefs.