Mukhlas reveals himself as another of the legions of misunderstanders of the (alleged) religion of peace. Those who profess to understand its peacefulness full well, meanwhile, have not yet mounted any effective comeback to Mukhlas' religious appeal. "Murder 'infidels', Mukhlas urges," from The Australian, with thanks to Thom:
BALI bombings commander Mukhlas has written a fanatical call-to-arms from his death-row prison cell, exhorting Muslims to kill Westerners.Published on a website on the orders of notorious terror chief Noordin Mohammed Top, the polemic demonstrates the undiminished fervour of Mukhlas, who has been sentenced to death for commanding the Bali bomb blasts in 2002 that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.
"You who still have a shred of faith in your hearts, have you forgotten that to kill infidels and the enemies of Islam is a deed that has a reward above no other," says the 60-page polemic written in Indonesian by "Sheikh Mukhlas", posted on the anshar.net website, which has since been shut down by Indonesian police.
"Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Mohammed and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities, and that the Prophet waged jihad operations 77 times in the first 10 years as head of the Muslim community in Medina?"
Is there any doubt that islam is a deathcult?
"" have you forgotten that to kill infidels and the enemies of Islam is a deed that has a reward above no other,""
Thats an ignoranus way to put it. Shouldn't it end by saying 'a reward above ALL others'?
Well, what do you expect from a muslim?
"Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Mohammed and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities, and that the Prophet waged jihad operations 77 times in the first 10 years as head of the Muslim community in Medina?"
Now why does this remind me of that time that CAIR went after Mr Spencer and this website in a press release, claiming that,
“Spencer's website is notorious for its depiction of Islam as an inherently violent faith that is a threat to world peace.”
CAIR's press release also quoted a poster here as above and beyond the pale who said
"If Mohammad were alive today and spouting his 'new' message from God in today's media he would be identified and branded as the lunatic that he was and be jailed or hospitalized."
What say you now CAIR? Your co-religionists know EXACTLY who Muhammad was. Islam's decentralization obviously has certain advantages but it also has major disadvantages, as the many pronouncements from Iran's nutjob in chief have so aptly demonstrated in recent days. The decentralization makes it a little tough to control the quality of the taqiyya.
Any Australian posters out there today?
Do such articles sway Australian public opinion about Islam and Australian Muslims?
And by what measure is that guaged?
What do average Australian infidels think about the Australian Muslim community?
What's a caliph?
What happened in Bali?
What's an Infidel?
/typical westerner...
When will ABC report this? Chris Matthews? NBC, yoohoo!
Robert a question for you if you have the time;
Did Mohammed really wage jihad 77 times as stated, or is this guy bragging or exaggerating the fierceness of Mohammed?
It's me, Hal again! Dear Robert, such as above is very necessary to say, and no one can do it better than you, but, it makes all moslems look bad - even tho that is not said directly. I have an idea I think which can return some measure of civilized dignity to the muslim people. Here is what it is: There are really 3 or 4 korans and 3 or 4 supporting commentaries for that koran. The earily writings we find in the Koran, are obviously taken from the "Old Testiment" and the Oral Traditions (pre-Talmud) of the Jews. It would be easy for modern scholarship to sort out the difference and come up with a more legitament Koran than the one we are glued to right now. The earlest writing are very good and have a measure of holy wisdom and just plain good advice! Why don't we begin to stress the legitament Koran at the expense of the corrupted parts? Many Muslim already know this is the only way an educated person can perceive the Koran, and that is why they continue to believe in it. If we do this they will no longer be offended by the above article because they will have somewhere else to go besides siding with insane and cold=blooded murderers. What else is going to work? Nothing at all except to kill a few hundred thousand muslims!
It's me, Hal again, again. Should have said, "a few million muslims". But, even then, it would just be a matter of time before there was the warring again, at the perpetual order to war that will always be in the corrupt Koran.
Hope Robert is E Mailing this to CAIR - no doubt
there will be all the old hogwash about 'misunderstanding the Koran' Blah,Blah,Blah,Yawn.ISLAM IS THE MOST VIOLENT RELIGION ON EARTH - disregard what they say [taqqiya] and look at what they do - anyone know of another Faith which ORDERS YOU TO KILL INFIDELS! If any other religion was cutting sheeps' throats to celebrate 'a holy day' it would be called BARBARIC which it is.The more I know about this Stone Age Death cult the more I detest it : Islam and Muslims ought to be sent to another planet as far away as possible from the civilized world. Maybe that new planet just discovered...
"You who still have a shred of faith in your hearts, have you forgotten that to kill infidels and the enemies of Islam is a deed that has a reward above no other," says the 60-page polemic written in Indonesian by "Sheikh Mukhlas", posted on the anshar.net website, which has since been shut down by Indonesian police.
"Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Mohammed and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities, and that the Prophet waged jihad operations 77 times in the first 10 years as head of the Muslim community in Medina?"
This is exactly what many good Australians have been trying to warn others about, although without success as the truth here is immediately branded 'racist' and shouted down.
However, when a mass-murderer tells the truth, the media reports it.
Just how perverse is western society today?
What we need are for more of these whackos to speak the truth about their death cult...maybe then people will wake up.
In the trial of The People of the Western World v. The New Duranty Times, The Bandar Beacon, NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC, CBC, Agence-France-Press, and ten thousand other newspapers and radio stations and television channels, we have only one question.
The statement above, by a well-known Indnesion bomber, one Mukhlas, contains this excerpt:
"Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Mohammed and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities, and that the Prophet waged jihad operations 77 times in the first 10 years as head of the Muslim community in Medina?"
We want to know why, in the more than four years that have passed since 9/11/2001, when all the ignorance, the quasi-criminal negligence, the inability or wilful refusal of your organizations, which are designed to instruct and clarify, as well as to engage in mere reporting, have not once assigned, or demanded of reporters and columnists and interviewers that they begin to ask questions about the nature of Islam based on their study of Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and on the commentators and jurisconsults and Western (non-apologist) students of Islam, particuarly those from the period of its uninhibited flourishing, between roughly 1850 and 1950.
That is our one question, the question on which, perhaps, the entire edifice of our civilizational legacy will rise or fall: Why?
Cair response: Look, there are Jews who argue for ethnic cleansing in Israel and there are Christians who argue for America to become a theocracy. You can't tar a whole religion based on the words of a few.
Here's what I want to see. I want someone to present CAIR leaders with some of the most damning, explicit, straightforward excerpts from the Qur'an (e.g., 4:34, 2:282, 9:29, 9:30, 5:13) and the Hadith (e.g., Abu-Dawud 32:4092, Abu-Dawud 38:4447) and ask them an incredibly simple question: does CAIR (or for that matter any representative of CAIR) condone or reject these statements? How can they possibly answer the question?
Mr Fitzgerald,
You fell uncharacteristically silent on the thread at DW about the Taliban school teacher who was murdered. I'm still waiting for your response.
Respectfully,
Cornelius
Mike_W: What we need are for more of these whackos to speak the truth about their death cult...maybe then people will wake up."
I've looked in vain for the origins of the famous saying "Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself." No luck so far but it's totally apropos and I think that whoever said it deserves a nod right about now.
Thank you, poster above, for drawing my attention to something I obviously missed. I don't see everything; I do scroll down where I think I've been before, but I don't always go to every thread and obviously I have to scroll fast and don't always see something relevant. I'll hop right on over.
And while I'm on the topic of famous aphorisms, I am reminded of the phrase, "the cat's out of the bag". A quick google search of that phrase turned up this:
"I have heard that this origin is from another story of"way back when" when in the old times in the barter system , that a baby pig was a great bartering item, and when you went down to the market you would bring a baby pig in a bag. Of course a lesser man would attempt to " get one over" on the seller by disguising a baby pig with a cat in the bag instead. And on the way to the market the very lively CAT would find its way out of the bag to let every one know that it was a sham, hence the phrase " The cats out of the bag ".
What a great metaphor for taqiyya. Hate to break the news to you CAIR, but the cat's out of the bag.
Okay, poster above -- reply posted.
I posted this on that old thread, my contribution to the Afghan situation. As I see it the real reason Bush went into Afghanistan was to secure the UNOCAL pipeline that the Taliban refused to build. Hamid Kharzai was a consultant for UNOCAL, he has spent more time in the U.S. than in Afghanistan and was handpicked by the administration for his job..Wonder why? Two UNOCAL connections perhaps.
It's bad enough that Jay Gardner approved an Iraqi constitution that made Iraq and Islamic state and Islam the basis of law and constitution (and that was in 2003) now they have created a government whose natural ally is Iran, and SCIRI is an adjunct of Iran.. but conservatives with full faith in Bush are afraid to face reality that means they would have to admit that they were wrong, that they were deceived and thus foolish.
And Afghanistan was (sans any pressure) recreated as another Islamic state, with Shari'a as basis of law and constitution, BEFORE the invasion of Iraq.
Swallow that if you can.
Afghanistan an Islamic Nation
Afghanistan Draft Constitution
Compare the above to the Taliban Constitution
Compare the above Constitutions to The Iranian Constitution
PRCS,
Mate, there is a ground swell of resentment building in Australia at the moment over the Islam issue. Whilst many politicians are trying to keep a lid on things more and more are recognising the dangers and speaking faily candidly about the problems, right up to Peter Costello the treasurer who stated very publicly that Australia will never become an Islamic state and if you want to live under sharia law you can move to another country.
It is frustrating that the politicians haven't gone further but considering the fact that they do have a responsibility to maintain a degree of level headness to prevent the the country slipping into a state of total chaos I think by and large they have handled the job reasonably well, left of centre excluded.
Obviously there is a very long way to go but the trend is right. The best thing is for the Muzzies to continue affronting the general Australian populace as they are seem to be doing so admirably. Rest assured that around the water cooler at work and the dinner table at home Islam is increasingly becoming a hot topic. I only hope that the muslims continue their actions of appalling the general community and keep the issue at the forefront of Australian consciousness.
The biggest fear is that they will moderate and become less newsworthy which will enable their demographic agenda to continue largely unnoticed until a truly cataclysmic 'tipping' point is reached and we face a genuine civil war. Those in the know are doing what they can to inform the rest of the population. The trend seems to be moving largely from recognising there is a serious problem to working out exactly what can be done about it, that is where the real confusion lies.
secularaussie, why not try the danish freedom of speech test?
Will any of your papers print cartoons of the last prophet?
Maybe you could warm up to it with cartoons of moses, elijah, obediah, john the baptist (the real last prophet) then mohammed.
I bet there is only controversy on the last one. Then you could actually say the controvery is that drawing a man in not to blapheme god but to put mohammed in the ranks of john the baptist and elijah is offensive, etc, etc.
hmmm. better still: why not sponsor the competition in a newspaper under the title "captions of the last prophet" and when the mohammadeans go balistic say what is soo offensive about John the Baptist!
If I had spare money the size of my overdraft, I'd contribute to the prize. but alas, I am a poor infidel.
The media here are mostly pushing the racist issue(which is total bullsh*t) and the politicians are so busy sucking islamic ^%$S
and making totally unbeleivable statements
that they should really start to worry that almost all of the general population (bleeding hearts aside) knows the truth.
What has happened here is that Jihad stage 1 has prematurely escalated in Jihad stage 2. You can be sure that the islamic elders will nail this down asap as they do NOT have the numbers to alienate us all just yet and continue on to stage 3.
So it will all just die down and be forgotten by most of us. But like the phoenix, it will resurrect when the demography chnages areb more to their liking.
It isn't really over just deferred pro temp.
Does CAIR ever speak out against those like the Bali bomber? Seems a murderer claiming to follow the example set by Muhammad would be criticized by those who deny that Islam is a violent religion.
Too bad Muslims have absolutely NO WAY WHATEVER of knowing whether anything they have been told to believe is true. (Most likely nothing they have been led to believe actually is true).
This guy sounds like he crawled out of the B- fright flick "NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD."