Egregious Dhimmi Myopia Alert from The Australian, with thanks to JE:
BRITAIN and Saudi Arabia have signed an agreement to strengthen their defence ties that primarily benefits British company BAE Systems, the British defence ministry said.The governments of the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding aimed at establishing a greater partnership in modernising the Saudi Arabian Armed Forces and developing close service-to-service contacts, especially through joint training and exercises, the ministry said in a statement.
The British government recognises "Saudi Arabia's efforts to develop a regional defence industrial centre of excellence", it said.
As prime contractor, BAE will invest in local Saudi companies, develop an industrial technology transfer plan, and provide suitable training for thousands of Saudi nationals, the ministry said.
Under the document, the European fighter aircraft Typhoon, which is largely manufactured by BAE, will replace Tornado Air Defence Variant aircraft and others currently in service with the Saudi air force.
The saudis better beef-up their defences coz they have major beef with a lot of major powers in the region and beyond. The shia bloc led by Iran tops the list, the Israelis, the Russians, the Americans and who not. The saudis have for too long bought off the rest of the world with undeserved oil monies but for how long will this sham continue?
One can only hope this defence cooperation deal with Britain is more words than substance (as is the case with most west european defense deals these days, seems like).
A bit OT, but this got me to thinking.
In school we were taught about value addition and value chains. For example, the Typhoon is loaded with added value, the very best in science, engineering, and military design.
What is the added value of a Moslem? Oil pumped from the earth? Hell, they can't even do that without Kafirs to handle the complex tasks of extraction, processing, and distribution.
Has any Moslem society ever added value to human endeavor?
"Money, money, money." Joel Grey, where are you?
And after the period of "Cabaret," the nihilism and moral negligence, what followed? What came after the Weimar Republic as limned by Isherwood? Anyone remember?
ethical foreign policy became a foreign policy with an ethical dimension.
we are still looking for this dimension.
I remember in opposition labour MPs slamming the Tories for this sort of thing.
BTW labour MPs used to turn out in force to slam the tories for this sort of thing at student amnesty conferences. Now they are in power not one labour MP could make it to discuss things...
I guess that is the same as moslem speakers always telling me how wonderful life is under sharia law for dhimmis (who in some cases begged the moslems to conquer them). When sharia arrives here then we will realise the lies.
Moslem speakers and labour MPs in my experience tell you what you want to hear not what the truth is.
May these MPs, Arms Company leaders, and civil servants who make these wicked decisions die a violent death. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.
Some-one, please tell me when the oil in Saudi Arabia will run out?
It doesn't matter when the oil runs out. What matters is how much money they will have accumulated, and used, to pay for more mosques, madrasas, weapons purchases, propaganda in the West, armies of hirelings to push the Saudi (and Islamic line) in universities, in the press, in the diplomatic corps, in the State Departments and chanceries of foreign ministries everywhere, in the defense industries (which in turn pressure governments to be nice to the Saudis -- think of the role of United Technologies in rallying the troops to pressure Congress for the sale of AWACS to Saudi Arabia back in 1980-81), and to otherwise fund the Jihad.
That's what counts. Suppose at current rates of production Saudi Arabian oil runs out in 50 years. In the past 30 years the Muslim oil states have received $10 trillion. Saudi Arabia has spent, very cleverly, close to $100 billion on direct promoting of the Jihad. How much indirectly has been changed by the constant promoise of contracts for businesses and individuals with the Saudis is unknown. But just think what those little grants to Georgetown and to Harvard will do to the academic study of Islam, and hence understanding of the Jihad and of Saudi Arabia, to a generation or two of students? And of course there is no way of knowing how high the price of oil will go, but it will go up -- and should, but as much as possible through self-taxation by oil-consumers, so that demand is pushed down, and the Saudis cannot raise the price as high as they might otherwise for fear of further depressing demand, and we will, at long last, be recapturing oligopolistic rents.
Whatever the Saudis take in, is too much. In the Western world in and out of government, people should be racking their brains to figure out two things:
1. How to diminish Saudi and other Muslim oil revenues
2. How to use up those oil revenues, by forcing the rich Arabs to transfer wealth to the poorer Arabs, and to be made to pay (lawsuits should be encouraged) for the huge costs associated with the economic damage (9/11/2001) resulting from terrorist acts committed by Muslms inspired by Islam, the physical harm done to Infidels(deaths, wonded), the costs associated with security measures (how many billions of man-hours are now wasted at airports as we all arrive, for security reasons, two hours ahead of flights?), including guards at airports, train and bus stations, on bridges, guarding churches and synagogues and Christian and Jewish day schools, and government buildings, and industries, and all those new check-in procedures and I.D. tags and machines for checking briefcases, and all the rest of it that has transformed American, European, Western, Infidel life -- all because of the menace of those inspired by the texts, tenets, attitudes, atmospherics, of Islam.
"Someone, please tell me when the oil in Saudi Arabia will run out?"
-- posted by Voltaire
A new geophysical field survey was taken over the last two years by a large team of scientists and engineers to answer just this question.
It was announced late last summer -- but little noted in the press -- that the reliable estimate of Saudi Arabian oil reserves is now double the estimate that had stood since the 1950s.
PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH
Did you know that in the Saudi fields they don't even need to pump the oil out? It just squirts up from the sand, like so much pus from a supprating chankre sore...
Allahu Akbar indeed.
To Voltaire: Saudi oil reserves are said to be 260 billion barrels of proven reserves. Please go to this link to read more.
http://www.iags.org/n0331043.htm
"It was announced late last summer -- but little noted in the press -- that the reliable estimate of Saudi Arabian oil reserves is now double the estimate that had stood since the 1950s."
-- from a posting above
This was all done by the Saudis, as part of their public relations effort -- the "don't mess with us part." It is of a piece with the story they planted everywhere about how they have mined all of the oilfields, and would blow them up in a second if Western forces tried to seize them. You can believe that - if you wish. But the Saudis have real worries right at home, and would not mine the oilfields lest the local residents of Dammam, Dhahran, and other places -- that is, all the unhappy Shi'a -- were to find the oilwells all nicely ready to be blown up. The Saudi government can't possibly take that chance.
There's a whole lot of lies, nonsense, and blague being put out by the Saudis. And that includes their own population (they have been known in the past to offer a figure double the real one) and about oil.
Check with Morris Adelman (now retired). Or with Mr. Simmons, the geologist and oil investor in Texas. See what they believe about Saudi reserves.
Sooner or later the Saudis and the rest will be sitting on a very uncomfortable pile of sand with millions of poverty-stricken and uneducated Muslims. This could be one reason why they are pressing forward so quickly into the West...
"As prime contractor, BAE will invest in local Saudi companies," That is always part of the deal. Anyone doing business in the Kingdom HAS to do this. "... develop an industrial technology transfer plan," Developing a transfer plan is relatively simple. Implementing it requires indigenous engineering talent, and they do not have it. The Saudi universities are mostly busy graduating people with degrees in Islamic History or Studies. "... and provide suitable training for thousands of Saudi nationals," The Arab News regularly has articles about this. Right now, they are at the cherry picked, tens of candidates stage. And like admission to the universities, most of the selections are based upon family "wasta", not merit. In other words, a poor, bright, industrious Saudi with no family connections need not apply.
And as far as "a regional defence industrial centre of excellence" is concerned, the "insh'Allah" method of quality control is particularly inadequate to cope with hi-tech objects that can fall out of the sky.
"Under the document, the European fighter aircraft Typhoon, which is largely manufactured by BAE, will replace Tornado Air Defence Variant aircraft and others currently in service with the Saudi air force."
Most of the 100 or so Tornadoes are GR variants(strike aircraft). Only about 20 are ADV's.
"others currently in service" may include the F-15C's they have, but I doubt it. They are still pretty modern, and considering the operational tempo of the Saudi military, they do not have many hours on them.
Oh, by the way, the Saudi Air Force DOES have superb accident investigators. When a military aircraft goes down, it generally takes them less than 12 hours to determine that the cause was "mechanical failure".
How to diminish the power of the Saudis.
Simple follow the lead of the Brazilians.
Brazil after the oil embargo of 1973 took the situation seriously, and mandated requirements for ethanol fueled vehicles.
Over 90% of Brazilian cars are fueled by ethanol, made from cane sugar, we can use corn and sugar beets.
But here's the surpise. General Motors in partnership with Brazil has created a car and technology (called the Corsa) that enables a car to seamlessly run on ethanol, gas or any combination thereof.. it uses computer sensors to regulate air intake and ignition.
Are there any Corsas on the US Market? No, and why? because we have the Houston Oil crowd that needs to continue controlling our country and Economy, and whines because they can't drill in Anwar (so they can export that heavy sulphur crude to Japan).
And where was Cheney's Energy Commission in all of this? well figuring out how to make more profits and more control of the US Economy.
Energy independence is at hand, just follow the example of Brazil (and it would mean more jobs for Americans and a better livelihood for farmers).
this deal we are told, "primarily benefits" the British company. I used to think the British were clever but this is too much. If the deal works as described, then it will have mucho benefitted the Saudi jihad movement which will have its own means of producing advanced weapons. Other posters think that the inshallah culture will hold them back from really developing a hight tech weapons industry. If God wills, their planes will never get off the ground.
WHAT?????
Dont they remember the last saudi training session they had in the usa
They had 20 muslims 17 saudi's training on how to turn and ram 767's into buildings..
Now they want to train thousands...
This is insane...
Nariz - Brazil does make you wonder. The big car companies in Australia (all Jap and USA owned) have continuously "bagged" ethonal as a fuel source - despite Australia rivaling Brazil in sugar cane. In all the manuals for outboard boat engines they all say "no ethonal" or "10% only" - yet they all export the same motors to Brazil.
We recently had a team of engineers drive a ethonal car from one end of Australia to the other (no small feat). It can be done. It must be done. Not only for the environment, but also for our own sake re the advancement of Islam. There is also a bloke in my neighbourhood who runs his Hilux soley on "home brew" bio diesel (his car smells soooooooooooo nice - it's like fish and chips!)
The Saudis are short on expertise because if Uncle Mohammed's little nephew can't pass the test the results are fudged and nephew passes anyway. This is important for the future of the world because they will take a long time to become self sufficient.
However the west should stop taking these people into their countries and training them properly.....Dhimmi dhimmi dhimmi.
I wish that Britain would realize that with such "defence ties" what is being defended is only the religion of islam and its holy places.
British civilizational interests are far from being defended.