The second victory for the jihad in Britain in a week. From the TimesOnline, with thanks to Interested:
PLANS to force foreign-born imams to take a “Britishness test” were scrapped yesterday in the second climbdown in less than a week on proposals to tighten scrutiny of mosques.The Home Office dropped the idea after opposition from Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs. Five days ago Tony Blair’s plan to give police the power to close mosques suspected of having extremist links was ditched after opposition from Muslim leaders and the police.
The latest retreat came after protests from Muslim leaders and other faiths who objected to a Britishness test being made part of immigration laws. An estimated 85 per cent of the 2,000 imams working in the UK are foreign-born.
The climbdown comes despite longstanding concern from senior ministers and the security services that radical imams entering the country from Pakistan and the Middle East are driving young British Muslims to extremists.
Under the proposal all foreign-born ministers of religion would have had to sit a test on Britishness after being in the country for two years.
The aim was to ensure that they understood the multicultural society in which they preached and provided pastoral care to their communities. It was also intended to answer concern within the Muslim community that some foreign-born imams had little concept of the world in which young British-born Muslims had grown up or the problems they faced.
But yesterday Tony McNulty, the Immigration Minister, announced that the idea first put forward by David Blunkett when he was Home Secretary had been ditched.
Mr McNulty told a press conference at the Home Office that he had bowed to fears from all faith communities over the proposed test on life in Britain....
He said there was no compelling reason to treat foreign- born ministers of religion differently from others seeking to stay in the UK.
I can think of two compelling reasons off the top of my head: Omar Bakri and Abu Hamza.
Instead foreign-born ministers of religion will only take a test on life in Britain, including its constitution, legal system, customs and religious life, if they apply to settle after four years or seek citizenship after being in the country for five years....Inayat Bunglawala, a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, said last night: “I do not understand why the Government has dropped this plan.
“We welcomed the idea. We thought it made sense that people coming here to preach should have a good grasp of our country’s history.”
Inayat, for once you and I agree.
Saying that the tests were dropped after "opposition" from Hindus and Sikhs is a devious bit of smokescreen. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4717679.stm
The Hindu temple authorities were already fully of the opinion that any priest with pastoral duties in his community must speak good English and understand that wider community. The non English speaking pujaris they were asking for are purely to say the constant prayer cycle in Sandskrit. Which sounds to me very like the perpetual prayer of some contemplative convents, although Latin is rarely used these days.
Don't blame Hindus for the dropping of this legislation. They are just a PC excuse. Blame the government. As Dr Carey the former Archbishop of Canterbury said last week, on the subject of political correctness that is, as he put it, creeping in and undermining the public expression of the Christian faith. "This is nervousness excited by the visibility of Muslims".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4540538.stm
Granny W - Dr Carey talks a lot of sense these days, more than when he was Archbish and certainly more than the Arch Druid.
These Imams should have to pass a test of Britishness alright. Let's make it really difficult.
1 Do you consider this country to be:
A Land of hope and glory, mother of the free.
B An infidel cesspit, that must become part of the Dar al Islam, for Allah knows best.
2 If you answered A, are you indulging in taqiyya?
3 If you answered no, are you at it again?
Now, let's up the ante:
4 In the panel game Mornington Crescent, how do you extricate yourself from the Dollis Hill loop when two or more players are in knip?
5 Why do London taxi drivers never go South of the River?
6 How do you pronounce the following names?
Mainwaring
Cholmondesley
Launceston
Featherstonehaugh
7 Where do the best wine tasters come from? (If you say France, your application is delayed for another ten years.)
8 What price glory?
9 What is the point of cricket?
10 Has Prince Charles got big ears or what? (Careful, this is a trick question.)
That'll keep 'em out.
Granny Weatherwax
What a cop out by the government! This is spin Doctor Blair stuff : strong on rhetoric, weak and flabby in reality. Blair will go down in History [something this vain man worries about]
as the Prime Minster who brought Britain to its knees. He's lied so many times especially re:number of Muslims in Britain, Londonistan is awash with terrorists. One can only hope that a strong leader who actually cares for the fate of
Britain will emerge like Churchill did in World War 11.
From the article:
In fact, although the Government should not have backed down on this point, imported imams are not the main problem. You could import any number of Hindu or Sikh spiritual leaders, perhaps even with little understanding of British culture, and not be in any danger of 'extremism'. How much were the July 7 bombers influenced by extremist imams, and how much were they simply following the true Islam, which they can find out about on the internet without going anywhere near a mosque?
All immigrants have an obligation to learn the language and jettison any cultural baggage that would be harmful to the host country; failure to do so should be taken as a reason to be escorted to the border. McNulty is showing his lack of intestinal fortitude as should lose his position in the government.
I was in a state of shock when I read on danielpipes.org about the proposed Markaz mosque to be built in London on a ten acre site that will hold 70,000 people. Can this be real?
There are already other mosques that hold 10,000 worshipers. The largest church is in Liverpool and holds 3,000. What is particularly sickening is that many of these mosques are funded by taxpayer supported agencies such as the London Development Organization.
I havn't been in England since the mid 70s when I spent a semester in London. At that time I do not recall seeing any muslims, although there were a few good Indian restaurants.
What is happening? It would be a shame that after holding off the Armada, as well as the Luftwaffe, that England would succumb to the Mohamedan invasion.
To Hon. Tony Blair - please read: Substitute UK to Rome
WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM - IN 1899!
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet
rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the
next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased
to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social
development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and
proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity
is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell
the civilization of ancient Rome."
"All immigrants have an obligation to learn the language and jettison any cultural baggage that would be harmful to the host country."
-- posted by epg
Moslems excepted, of course. They have been granted their exemption by all, not some, Western democracies hosting them.
My belief is that Moslems are aware of this special treatment, and think that they are accorded it because deep down Westerners loathe themselves and wish to transform their nations into Islamic Republics so as to better their children's future.
Given that facts talk and bullsheet walks, it's hard to disagree with these clear thinking Moslem Men and their unbroken winning streak.
This truly is amazing, how on earth can the UK as we know it or remember it survive. I again raise the same point that I have said many times before. The UK needs to step up to a war footing, it needs to recognize the danger it is in and take steps accordingly.
Sitting about grumbling how the labor party has sold you down the river to dhimmitude isn’t going to help. You need to organize and get active; the majority of those who post here seem vehemently opposed to the BNP party as a means to solve this problem. If I still lived there I think I would be grasping any lifeline there was.
I almost get the impression from posts on this site that you expect some kind of miracle from the C of E and the Archbishop of Canterbury, my advice would be to wake up.
Granny I am still interested to hear what you think is a real solution to the problem, where should the votes go to try and turn the tide of the war?
Well, they're not British so why 'test ' em?'
What we need is 'diversity', only diversity makes us stronger!
What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?
the majority of those who post here seem vehemently opposed to the BNP party as a means to solve this problem
Change the record, please.
I agree with Km, if not the BNP ( a party that here in America we know very little about) then who?
Is the BNP akin to the KKK or the NeoNazis in America.
Are there any other nationalists parties that would address the Islamic invasion of the UK?
Is there an anti-Islamist party?
Is the BNP akin to the KKK or the NeoNazis in America.
Yes, but with better packaging. They only allow whites to join. They make me sick.
Please excuse my ignorance, what are the policies and people of the BNP that make you sick.
For example, the KKK and NeoNazis in America are revolting to me, because they are Holocaust deniers, and truly racists.
They hate our system of national government and wish to violently destroy it - an aspect that they share with the Islamists.
El Cid, this should give you an idea of what they're like.
Do they define Brutishness just on strict racial terms?
I was alarmed by an article on their website where they came out against the new wave of Polish immigrants in Scotland.
Poles are very white and integrate very completely, why attack them?
I have a Mediterranean look and my wife is Polish, When I was in Poland I never encountered any hostility for my looks. My wife's family are as close to me as my own and my kids speak Polish as well as English and Spanish.
In a BNP world would I have a problem, if I had married a British girl?
Interested, thanks for the link, I will read it.
In a BNP world would I have a problem, if I had married a British girl?
At the moment they would deny it. Ultimately they just want 'native Britons', whatever that means. The Welsh? Their priority would be blacks and Asians, rather than those with a 'Mediteranean look'. They would progress in stages, just like Islam does. With their supremacist ideology and taqiyya, they have a lot in common with Islam.
KKK and NeoNazis in America are revolting to me, because they are Holocaust deniers, and truly racists.
To answer your question El Cid - Likewise the BNP. Their roots are in the National Front (who were more vocally anti Jewish and black) and the National Front grew out of the post war British Nazi Party. They claim, and it is claimed for them, that they are no longer a racist party. This is not borne out from what I hear BNP supporters actually saying in certain pubs, clubs and sports grounds. Yes they do define Britishness on strict racial terms. I have seen their chairman hold up his arm, point to the white skin of his wrist, and say "this is what defines me" Even the sanitised new BNP gives, on the membership page of its website, that the criterion for joining is to be of white European descent.
I quote:-
"Membership of the British National Party is open to those of British or kindred European ethnic descent. While we welcome contact and co-operation with nationalists and patriots of other races, and with the many non-whites who also oppose enforced multi-racialism, we ask them to respect our right to an organisation of our own, for our own" Later we find "accepting the right of law-abiding minorities, in our country because they or their ancestors came here legally, to remain here and to enjoy the full protection of the law against any form of harassment or hostility, we will also seek to emphasise the importance of the prior status of the aboriginal people."
They do say much about Islam which is correct, and thus attractive. Their website is superficially very attractive. The forum is no longer open access as that was most illuminating as to the real views of members.
To them, despite their Muslem religion David Hicks and Yvonne Ridley are superior beings to Dr John Sentamu or Aayan Hirsi Ali.
One of the BNP officers has a French Huegeunot name and I presume his ancestors came here legally, but I doubt if you would be considered quite "aboriginal" enough for them.
To them, despite their Muslem religion David Hicks and Yvonne Ridley are superior beings to Dr John Sentamu or Aayan Hirsi Ali.
Thanks Granny. If you don't mind, I'll use this as my boilerplate argument every time the BNP are brought up as the answer to the problem of Islam, as happens on this site with mind-numbing regularity.
Here's what I was looking for during the last couple of posts. From the BNP Mission Statement.
"The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe. The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations."
Tank you Granny, very informative! and I now understand.
They have changed their public image, but deep inside they are the same as before and their NeoNazi roots cast a shadow on their intentions.
Personally, I'm not offended by someone pointing to his skin and saying this is what I am about, if this person does not deny the rights of others.
Racial and cultural pride are good things if in addition one has human pride as well.
Not every place and country is suited to be a melting pot, like New York; living with people of other races and cultures, can be a very rewarding and interesting experience, but is is also harder and more stressful.
This works well in some countries and cities, New York being the prime example, but would be hard in some countries - Japan comes to mind.
When I'm in rural Spain with family, I enjoy the experience of being with people who share think and act like me, I wouldn't want that to change; I am I xenophobe for feeling that way.
Would Japan or China be the same without their xenophobes?
How is the UK different is this respect without the people and things that make it Welsh, or Scottish or English,
America's social cohesion is a much different case, in that, the US was at it's inception very diverse, and the common glue that holds it is the constitutional government, freedoms, social mobility and a Judeo-Christian religious base.
Still, Homogenous societies can have there good points.
When I'm in Poland, I see how easily my wife fits in and I also enjoy the commonality myself as I understand Polish culture; although the multi religious Poland of the 1930's was wiped out by the war, Poles have recently woken up to their Jewish legacy.
My children are an other matter, they are most at home in New York and share a common American youth culture with schoolmates from all over the world.
I think that citizens of a country should be given a choice as to what kind of society they wish to live in.
In that respect the BNP has exploited something that makes sense.
If they BNP has a dangerous hidden agenda and their leaders are reprehensible, is there any use to have them as allies in the struggle against Islam?
Be careful, that by telling the truth about them, you don't also alienate those who support it and don't know better, or act out of fear as to what is happening to their country.
It may be a devils bargain, but the Islamic invasion of England is much further along then in America and you may need everyones help to save your country.
Be careful, that by telling the truth about them, you don't also alienate those who support it and don't know better, or act out of fear as to what is happening to their country.
I don't see the logic of that. Isn't it a bit like saying that if you tell the truth about Islam you will alienate moderate or nominal Muslims?
If, having been told the truth about the BNP, people still support them, then those people are not worth bothering with. We should not make alliances with neo-Nazi white supremacists. That's all there is to be said on the subject.
It makes perfect sense and is very different from your reference to Islam.
People see what they want to see, and I don't believe that everyone who supports them can be wrong.
Yes, don't make alliances with neo-Nazi's but convince those that have been fooled or are fools, to separate whatever good issues these people have attracted you with, from the leaders and and organization that are dangerous.
Don't waste the goodwill of those that are confused or ignorant, we need every Dihimmi we can to win this.
Support the legitimate issues and the rank and file, don't demonize them.
Is there any issue, co-opted by this organization that you can agree with.
If yes them legitimate political parties, should embrace it.
The enemy of my enemy "may be" my friend or at least some of his supporters
Yes, don't make alliances with neo-Nazi's but convince those that have been fooled or are fools, to separate whatever good issues these people have attracted you with, from the leaders and and organization that are dangerous.
That sounds reasonable.
Interested this will be an ugly fight, Islam is formidable enemy.
We must carefully weed out those that are beyond the pale, and those that you my not like, are crude, or of the wrong side of the political spectrum, but have it right and the will to resist Islam ,even if you must hold your nose.
I believe that to defeat this enemy we must reach out to as many people as possible.
Everyone except, Neo-Nazis of course.
I won't mention the BNP again.
those that are beyond the pale...
Tee hee!
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what Tee hee means.
Sorry, but English is my second language.
Sorry, I assumed it was, because your English is very good.
Well, 'tee hee' means 'ha ha' or 'ho ho'. It is more of a sneaky little snigger or chuckle than a full throated guffaw or belly laugh.
The reason I laughed was because 'beyond the pale' is funny in this context - we are talking about the BNP who would like everyone to have pale skin.
I hope this helps. Other words denoting laughter that you may find useful are 'chortle' and 'nahahahahaaha'. 'Chortle' is what you might do if someone makes a clever joke. 'Nahahahaha' would be used when laughing at someone's misfortune. If, say, George Galloway slips on a banana skin and falls on his backside it is quite appropriate to point at him and say 'nahahaahahaaha'.
Thank you so much for your patience.
Pale... as in Paleface Tee hee.
My English will be a lot better know.
And my understanding of the BNP is complete.
My pleasure.
Such sense I read on my return from the post office.
I believe that to defeat this enemy we must reach out to as many people as possible
Energetic black Christians, (and non Christians), Hindu's and Sikhs (damn fine soldiers) Christians, Jews and Apostates from the Middle East, I don't know any Zoroastrans personally but Freddy Mercury fronted one of the best bands ever. I have known a few Bahai's and they were sound. I have a soft spot for Pagans, Solstice Greetings to you. Judge by the content of character, not the colour of skin.
Granny I think you misunderstand me, let me try again.
This is a fight between Islam and all the races, cultures, and countries of the world.
The best of character can be found in every man... or woman... or child also the worst.
El hombre perfecto no se encuentra en la tierra, solamente en el corazón.
Why the BNP? Whats wrong with the conservatives? My impression of Howard was that he was somewhat interested in curbing immigration in the last election. I do not know anything about the new conservative leader just elected.
El Cid we are saying the same thing; it must be me that was unclear. I was commending you for your sense and agreeing with you.
El cid you make some good points, and I in no way wish to endorse the BNP’s more inane policies. I am merely wishing to raise the point that the UK needs to realize it is at war and loosing. In a time of war the enemy of my enemy can be a good response.
I have used this justification to work in Israel, I do not agree with many of the things that the Israeli state does in terms of internment, collective punishment etc, etc and the nature of some of its political parties. However I can see very clearly the type of conflict they are engaged in and the nature of the enemy they are fighting. Therefore I will do my most to support that fight even it means supporting elements that are a part of Israel which I find less than savory.
All I am hoping for is that the UK, a country that I hold dear to my heart survives the next 5-10years, and I have yet to see any other party even raise the issue of the Jihad invasion, this fact alone is very telling. None of the posters here other than knee jerk reactions to the racist BNP, (a tag I don’t disagree with) have any other ideas, other than don’t vote for the BNP.
Tell me people (interested, Granny) in particular as you are obviously living there in the UK what is it that you are going to do. I saw mention of the Tory party, but please give me a break, if this is the best you can come up with then it is obvious to me then that you don’t understand the nature of the conflict you are involved in. And if people like you don’t realize then it really maybe a case of all is lost.
Come on Britain fight back.
Ever seen 'Groundhog Day'? I've seen it hundreds of times.
What does Ground hog day have to do with anything? What I want to know is what are your ideas and solutions. 99% of the people here are going to agree with you about how duplicitous and evil Islam is, so why bother.
Just get to the interesting bit which is how we fight back, I agree with all the majority of posts up here in particular, noting that we need.
Energetic black Christians, (and non Christians), Hindu's and Sikhs (damn fine soldiers) Christians, Jews and Apostates from the Middle East, I don't know any Zoroastrans personally but Freddy Mercury fronted one of the best bands ever. I have known a few Bahai's and they were sound. I have a soft spot for Pagans, Solstice Greetings to you. Judge by the content of character, not the colour of skin.
Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at December 21, 2005 12:03 PM
But as I have said before time is running out people and unless you get the ball rolling then you will have spent too much time talking and not enough time acting. This is the reason that I think the far right nationalist parties need voting in across Europe. I don’t agree with their politics but they are the ones who have the single-mindedness of purpose to defend and fight back against Islam. After the war is underway, we vote them out.
Mental masturbation is democracy without a quality sustainable program.
Not quite sure what you mean there SirSeth, but those who refuse to galvanise and fight are w*****s in my opinion.
Yawn. Goodness me, is that the time?
Thank you, for your kind words, Granny, I know, I may sound like a broken record, and my ability to write in English is not on the level of most of the posters on this site ( I just bought "Eat, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss), but I believe that it's the worlds many cultures that are in danger of the Islamic "Borg".
Km, you are absolutely right, if not now? when?
From my distant vantage point, I see no political party in England that will stand up and fight.
Km, someone must do something or soon it may be too late.
I have been to England many times love it's culture and it's way of life, why won't they fight to keep it?
El Cid - get a clue. The BNP are not the answer. Have you learned nothing? If so, stop telling the British what to do. We don't want fascists running the country.
El Cid,
I see exactly the same thing from my far vantage point. It appears that they would rather be run by Jihadists than nationalists.
That isn’t the country I grew up in, I can remember a time when the people were proud to be British and would have fought tooth and nail to defend the island.
Now it appears they are more worried about maintaining the multicultural status quo.
Interested what is the answer, what magic cure do you have for turning the war and in the short time that it is necessary to stop assimilation into the umma.
If you really care about the UK and are not some freeloader who is just there for the housing benefit and free health care what is it exactly do you propose. Just saying the answer isnt the BNP completely ignores the facts on the ground, France this summer was just the opening salvo.
The people of the UK are being subjugated with the help of all the politicians from the main stream parties. The jihadists are there in such numbers that it would be political suicide for any of those politicians to try and say something. The news article at the start of this blog proves that. I certainly don’t want to antagonize you, I am just trying to get you to realize that time is short and options are limited, Christ you dont even have the right to bare arms over there.
How are you going to feel in 10 years when the Islamic crescent is flying above parliament and you spent your time prior to that warning people away from possibly the only solution that is going to save them. Taking medicine is never nice, but you do it to cure the body as a whole.
Interested, Why the your rude tone?
I apologize if I have caused offense, with the enemy at the gates let us not quarrel.
I'm not telling the British how to run their country, it is up to you to come up with the solution, all I can and should do is offer moral support and solidarity. We need each other across the globe, if we are to survive this.
I've spent the afternoon studying the material you provided and so many aspects of their governing agenda sound like a joke, a bad joke!
I don't think the BNP is the answer.
Yet, I think that some of the positions they take must resonate with a large segment of the population that sees no other party, address or discuss the growing power of Islam and the weakness of your politicians.
Co-opt these issues for God sakes, so you can be free of the slightest chance of the BNP gaining any power.
Stop them, but do something to address the problem.
Every nation must fight the Jihad within the context of their own political traditions and I understand and respect your opinion about the BNP.
But, look at the BNP to see if their is anything that can be learned, then focus on the solutions and see which parties will pick up the fight.
Is there any party that has it right stance on Islam.
The problem is El Cid there are no other solutions over there, not one of the mainstream parties is even close to addressing the issue. I have just watched Tony Blair on C-Span advocating allowing Turkey with a population of 100 million into the EU.
Just try and imagine that, 100 million Islamists with the right to settle anywhere in Europe, unless the people wake up over there they are doomed.
I am afraid that the most you are going to see from Europe is a minority of people like interested and Granny venting their spleens on JW. To me it looks like they just don’t have the will to fight, liberalism has sucked it right out of them; they are more worried about maintaining the multicultural dystopia they have been trying to build for the last sixty years
You are right though about the BNP a lot of their policies are pretty bizarre, (in fact reading their manifesto made me laugh out loud) but they do have one thing right and that is the identification of Islam as a clear and present danger. The thing is I don’t think you would even need to vote the BNP into power, if enough people just protest voted in a few elections then the other parties might get the message.
Short of that I really don’t see any other solution; I really don’t want to see Europe especially the UK go down under a tide of green. Maybe if we are lucky Israel will take on Iran in the next few months, the UK will follow the US in backing them and then maybe a process of dismantling Islam will take place across Europe as the war spirals out of control.
Come on Israel, use those new bunker busters and do us all a favor!!
km - please go and peddle your fascism somewhere else. The BNP's policies, which make you laugh and which you find 'bizarre' would directly affect many people I care about. Your continual plugging of this disgusting bunch of racists on this site may well alienate non-white readers. And it's boring. Really boring.
Interested, your obviously an intelligent man, and I have respected your post in the past, but your rudeness is unbelievable.
Km and I oppose the BNP, and this site should offer those who do not live in the UK a chance to learn from those that see these kinds of parties up close, also a chance to discuss and become informed, as I have done thanks to your link.
In a past post, you said that you were tired of the subject of the BNP coming up.
Get over it!, it will come up over and over as long as people see no legitimate political parties to take up the Islamic threat. That is a great danger.
Let people, especially those across the world, discuss and learn for themselves, why you oppose the BNP.
After a look at the fact, I believe every poster on this site will understand and have the same revulsion as you do.
You certainly have informed me.
I seriously doubt that discussion of the extreme right wing on this forum, will turn away those that fight the Jihad who are brown skinned.
If done seriously, and objectively, what better way to dispel the demons of fascism.
I had a similar discussion at an Indian blog about the pro-Hindu parties, it lead to a similar conclusion as our discussion here about the BNP; they have exploited valid concerns of many in India about the threat of Islam.
Nationalist, have one thing in common, all over the world, a knee-jerk defense of the so-called "native cultures".
Why can't democrats, be equally as alert to the dangers of Islam.
Here in America, president Bush, who I voted for twice, still dose not get it.
It's not Islamic terror, but the intentions of the Islamic Umma that is the threat.
El Cid, I'm actually a woman, but you weren't to know!
I did not intend to be rude, certainly not to you, because I think you share my revulsion for the BNP. Km, however, does not. He/she plugs them at every opportunity and sees their disgusting racism as merely 'bizarre', or a legitimate means to an end.
I have no time for racists. Many of those close to me would suffer greatly were the BNP to gain power. If saying this is rude, then that is too bad.
Interested I am certainly not a racist my wife is from an Islamic country (she is an apostate though and has seen the danger of Jihadism first hand) and I certainly dont want to plug the BNP. What I am doing however is trying to raise the issue of you how fight back.
Everyone on this site is going to agree with you about how bad Islam is, you are preaching to the choir here. You just need to start directing your attention to how you deal with it.
Why don't you face the fact that you have no ideas at the moment. The British people have become emasculated due to rampant liberalism.
You would rather try and fight me it seems than face the enemy at your door. Denial is an amazing thing.
You should listen to what El Cid is saying, co-opt the anti-Islamic policies of the BNP or any other nationalist parties across Europe and start to build on them.
If you think that the nationalist policies are going to directly affect you and your friends, wait till the local Imams are doing that (and believe me it is closer than you think).
And once again my question to you is what are you going to do about the war. How are you going to feel in a few years time when your friends who you feel so passionately about now are swinging from the lamp posts for not wearing their burqas, blaspheming against Mohammed (shit be upon him) or are being beheaded in your local town square for trying to be traditional British.
Come on interested I am waiting, spell out your vision of how we and especially you over there begin to hold back the umma. You can’t even face the fact that there is no other party other than the BNP which has an Islamic policy.
Maybe if you were as rude and as vitriolic to your local politician as you are to me then maybe we might see some action over there. But as it is like most liberals you will let emotion cloud the rationality that you need to survive.
I am on your side interested and you are going to need people like El Cid and myself more and more in the coming years as your subjugation becomes more complete.
I have made many suggestions about this on other threads. I'm not interested in discussing these with an apologist for a racist, fascist party.
Interested, I should also apologize for my tone.
How would your friends, suffer?
Have they attacked any of them?
I have images of "clock work orange" in my head.
Rest assured, that I would never except that and I would fight against it as much as I now fight against the Islamic invasion.
My wife, who is not Jewish lost an uncle in one of the Nazi run camps in occupied Poland, so I have no sympathy for Nazis.
Thanks, El Cid.
My boyfriend is Jewish and was badly beaten up once by some BNP people. Yes, this influences the way I feel about them and makes me unusually short tempered on this subject, as I am only human. I have very close black and Asian friends too. Yet I'm supposed to accept with equanimity the prospect of a party that would firstly discriminate against them, then repatriate them. To where exactly? And what if they refused to go? It doesn't bear thinking about.
I'm glad that you have no sympathy for Nazis. That is what the BNP are, however they dress it up.
My boyfriend is Jewish and was badly beaten up once by some BNP people. Yes, this influences the way I feel about them and makes me unusually short tempered on this subject, as I am only human. I have very close black and Asian friends too. Yet I'm supposed to accept with equanimity the prospect of a party that would firstly discriminate against them, then repatriate them. To where exactly? And what if they refused to go? It doesn't bear thinking about
Posted by: Interested at December 22, 2005 01:27 PM
You prove my point interested, you are allowing emotion rather than rational thought to cloud your judgment. Believe me when I tell you that the Nazi specter rising over Europe is a daunting thought for me as well.
But it doesn’t get round the issue of the immediate issues on the ground, how do you and me, I guess as I am still British, deal with Islam. The first thing is open debate, you can’t even accept that the Islamic policies of the BNP are the right thing.
Try a thought experiment for me, suppose we get into a situation where the political will is there to dismantle Islam within the UK. How do you think that is going to work, do you think that the Islamists are just going to agree to up sticks and move on.
I am afraid that the facts are that you are going to have to start thinking about how you repatriate these people and believe me it isn’t going to be easy. Much like the Israelis expelled Palestinians and still keep them at bay with guns, tanks and walls the same is going to happen in Europe.
If you have even an inkling of the task that is ahead you would be doing all that you can right now to get it over with, before their numbers and influence become too strong.
Why don’t you enlighten me with your solutions, I enjoy reading your posts you seem a smart lady I would appreciate your view on these things.
you are allowing emotion rather than rational thought to cloud your judgment
Why how silly of me. I should have realised that this wasn't the 'true' BNP; it was a tiny minority of extremists within it. The BNP is a party of peace and tolerance.
There are times when an emotional response is a rational one. When you are talking about neo-Nazi thugs, for example.
If you want my views on dealing with Islam, you will find them on other threads; just google 'posted by Interested'.
Now please excuse me. There is some paint drying and I really have to watch it.
Why are you still evading the issue, what are you going to do when push comes to shove. The thoughts that you can’t bear thinking about are happening right now.
Why don’t you answer my questions if you can’t answer me how on earth are you even going to engage Islamists and Islamist apologists. I know you have posted many times on this site and I enjoy reading your posts and I will endeavor to read all your posts but why don’t you give me a synopsis of your solution.
Maybe you can turn me around, because the only solution I see at the moment is war and no logical person comes to that solution without first going through the psychological mill. Do you have a better solution, one that can really work, because if you do I really would like to know?
Who would you suggest voting for because for the first time I am registering with the Embassy here to vote in the Elections in the UK and I want to know who the best candidate is? Who is going to do the most to address the issue of Jihad?
'Britishness' test for the imams have abandoned .They didnt explain why they have come to that conclusion .Fear? Compulsion? pocket greasing? Muslim votes?. Whatever it is,if the BNP wants to shoulder the task of leadership,that protects ,and safeguards the British people ,Culture,faith and past reputaion ,they must shun certain present guide lines. First and foremost,abandon the colour policy.It would have been ok years before Britain started immigrating coloured people into the country. Now it will be a foolish idea to exclude a lot of very loyal British Sikhs,Blacks,hindus, and Christians from Pakistan,Labonon,Egypt and Indonesia. Whites should abandon their pets,and start making more babies in the future,as the recent census shows they are dwindling year after year , not only in Britain, but in Europe,America,and Australia. Compared to this, the British Islamists have a war footing average of six children per couple.Coloured Non Muslims are fairly keeping up their production of children,which will help the BNP a lot,if it embraces them.