Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald offers some considerations on the Boston mosque:
When a Mosque Project is proposed on land owned by the government (federal, state, local) or that requires any government permission (as zoning and building permits):1) Investigate everyone connected with the mosque, not merely the front men.
2) Find out who is signing the papers. Note: if a city employee of the local redevelopment authority (in this case the BRA) seems to take an unusual interest in expediting the whole thing, take note.
3) If the papers for the sale of land are sent to Saudi Arabia for signing, be a little suspicious. Who is paying? Could it the Saudis? Could it be part of the nearly $100 billion they have used to promote not merely Islam, but their own special brand that even orthodox Muslims (and Bernard Lewis, and James Woolsey) like to pretend is the real source of the problem? Mosques and madrasas help in the conduct of Da'wa, the main instrument of the Jihad -- the Office of War Propaganda.
4) When a sweetheart deal is made, so that public land is sold at below-market prices, ask who has been involved in the deal at every level. Any reason to think anyone at the BRA (the Boston Redevelopment Authority) took a special interest?
The Alamoudi connection, the Qaradawi connection – what will it take for Mayor Menino to retract his generous offer? City land worth millions of dollars was sold to this plausible Muslim group for under $200,000. One wonders if he will ultimately reconsider, or be forced to reconsider. I am sure that the contract can be undone, because the plan was for a purely religious institution, and any court is likely to find that this was clearly to be a "dual-use" mosque -- prayers, of course, but also a meeting place (for whom? for what purpose?), sermons from the minbar (but sermons on what subjects, and using what texts -- the khutba is nothing like sermons in churches, more politics than religion, and so on). No "dual-use" mosque should be built, or if built, should be allowed to continue to hide under First Amendment guarantees about freedom of religion -- not where a "religion" is itself "dual-use."5) Note the location of the intended mosque. Is it placed near a population that has, by Muslims, been identified as suitable for Da'wa because the economic or other conditions of the local population make them particularly vulnerable to a belief-system that, whatever else it is, is now felt and seen as a vehicle for expressing one's alienation from, and protest at, the circumambient society? The Boston Mosque is being built right across from Roxbury Community College. This cannot, by the way, give enormous satisfaction to black ministers in the neighborhood, who of course are remaining silent -- what else can they do?
6) Ask what other wonderful things the local would-be mosque-builders are going to do in lieu of full market payment. In the case of those behind the Boston Mosque, there was an offer, gratefully accepted apparently, to supply thousands of books on Islam (I think I can easily list those books that would not be included -- that is, every book by every truthful Western scholar of Islam) and a series of "lectures on Islam" to be given "for free" to the students at Roxbury Community College.
The Trojans. The horse. Who forgot to read his Homer, or for that matter, who forgot the morals of all those tales that American children once read, and who taught them not only to be good (and it sometimes worked) but to be careful, to be skeptical (and that sometimes worked).
One hopes that terrific pressure will be put by Boston taxpayers on Menino. The next time any American mayor plans on land giveaways (think of the full horror of the 8 acres in Rome naively donated for the Saudi and U.A.E.-built Rome Mosque, scarcely a mile from the Vatican -- a center of Muslim triumphalism and intra-Muslim political intrigue, held up by such clerics as Qaradawi as clear symbols of the eventual Muslim takoever of Rome. Innocence abroad and at home -- how much more of this must Infidels endure from their own leaders, who simply refuse to study, or be instructed in, the central political tenets of Islam, and refuse to consider anything other than the most sanitized and sappy versions of Islam, presented by plausible and oily apologists. Maddening.
P.T. Barnum was right. But did one of those suckers have to grow up and enter politics, and become the mayor of Boston?
If these would be mosque builders have an ounce of common sense they will research donations of government land to churches and synagogues in Boston and nationwide. I'm sure there have been many since America was founded. Though probably none these days due to the militant atheist-ACLU onslaughts and the politically correct times
Whilet we are preoccupied with discussions of things that should be undone or things that should be changed, defensive thoughts at the very least, Islam has managed to stake out their claim successfully for a piece of the skyline of Boston. By what right do they claim a piece of our horizon with a symbol that is antithetical to many our values an speaks to much that we want to discourage.Churches might have dominated the skylines at other times, but they represented at the time and even now in many places the culture as a whole .
Who's skyline is it? Must we be subjected to a symbot of Jihad towering over our city and lives every day?
Is not religion a private thing in this country? Why then the aggressive outward sign of it and isn't this an attempt to impose on us a form of religious dominance?
Might the framers have thought about this if it was even a remote possiblity at that time?
"If these would be mosque builders have an ounce of common sense..."
Common sense will do no good when the sense that is common is PC.
In Canada ,a number of new Mosque building proposals are on the tables of Government.The irony is they have selected places for mosques,where there are no muslim population at all. For instance,my friend told me a proposal to build a huge Mosque with hundreds of acre surrounding it (for future building) is alloted in Upper Canada (NewMarket)area. There are hardly five Muslim families living there. This land is right in the center of the city.I hope the Government,Municipality,and the Police give a vivid scrutiny in to the papers, and as to who finances the Mosque, and the building is according to plan submitted (without any secret storing places).
The irony is they have selected places for mosques,where there are no muslim population at all"
-- from a posting above
Ironic, or sinister? I suggest the latter. And just how is it that a handful of Muslims manage to support the building of multi-million dollar mosques, when churches with thousands of parishioners are forced to close for financial reasons? In the Boston area, many Catholic churches have been closed and are closing, for financial reasons. Yet at the same time, within the past year, a $15 million dollar mosque was put up in the not-very-prosperous town of Billerica, to serve the needs, the glowing newspaper account in The Boston Globe said (giving due notice to the helpful local minister and local female rabbi who had both been so helpful in providing temporary prayer space, and were so self-consciously proud of the role they had played, and apparently quite delighted at the prospect of this mosque being built). Yet there are only about 100 membres of this just-opened mosque. 100 members, $15 million dollar mosque. Anything here worth looking into? What do you think?
Another reason to get away from foreign (i.e., you-know-who) oil as soon as possible. Considering the money trail for mosque building, it's important to realize that even if oil money doesn't wind up funding outright terrorist activities, it will (and indeed, already does) contribute to Islamist imperialism in our own backyards.
Per Nr_greenfields, comments, I don't mind a crescent on the skyline per se, just who's funding it. Besides, it can lead to a "teachable moment": I'll never forget riding in the car with my dad when I was 8, and passing an "Islamic Center" prominently positioned at a highway interchange. He pointed to the free-standing minarets, and unforgettably quipped, "Those are the Ayatollah's rockets!" ;)
A small lesson in world religions and foreign policy for young Shinoliite.
They are trying turn a building about 2 blocks from my house into a mosque.
I live in a community with a large orthodox Jewish population. The proposed mosque is right smack in the the middle, within 3 blocks, of 4 orthodox shuls, a kosher restaurant, a kosher caterer, a kosher bakery, a kosher food store, a JCC (Jewish Community Center), a mikveh (ritual bath), 2 Jewish day schools, a Jewish bookstore, a Jewish clothing shop, and a Jewish hair covering shop, among others.
There are dozens of mosques and other Muslim facilities not even 2 miles away in the midst of the Muslim community.
So I've been wondering why do they want to open a mosque in this building and who is funding it?
Ding dong the wicked witch is dead. May peace be upon those who let this project die.
One can only speculate why this particular site was chosen in Roxbury MA. They undoubtedly felt they could piggyback off the Black Muslim presence already there. Keep in mind that screwy Louey Farakahn is originally from this area. He recently claimed that the US Government deliberately blew up the levees in New Orleans in order to flood black people out of their homes. Its good to see Muslims advancing peace and understanding.
"a community with a large orthodox Jewish population. The proposed mosque is right smack in the the middle, "
-- from a posting above
The mosque, and especially minarets, towering menacingly over everything else, whatever else it may be, is a visible sign of Muslim power. The huge Mosque of Rome, built on 7 acres of city-owned land, touchingly donated by the City (spurred on by the innocent and pious Pertini), at the opening of which, according to non-Muslim observers, the triumphalism of the Arab ambassadors present, and their rhetoric, was more fitting for the seizing of enemy territory and a base established in that enemy's midst -- which, come to think of it, was exactly what the Mosque of Rome is.
And this is exactly what happened at the dedication ceremony of the Mosque newly built and opened in Granada, two years ago. Representatives of other Muslim communities in the Bilad al-kufr came to gloat. No mention of a "dialogue of civilisations." No hint of gratitude, sympathy, recognition that this act might possibly receive some similar act in return -- such as letting a tiny church be built somewhere in Arabia, even if only for foreign workers and kept carefully off-limits to locals. The Muslim from Germany called on his fellow Muslims to abstain from using the currency of the Infidels, and to use only gold, because this would help, he said to an enthusiastic audience, to bring down all the economies of the Infidels. Other speeches were in a similar vein.
In Syria, in Aleppo (Haleb) for the past two decades, with more and more determination, in a city where there was always a distinct Christian quarter, the Muslims have been deliberately building mosques right between the churches, in a part of town where no Muslims live. Why, you may ask. In order to march, every Friday, there and back, displaying their power, intimidating the Christians. Ask any recent Armenian arrival from Haleb what's going on -- they'll tell you. You can learn more from those non-Muslims (if not islamochristians) who have fled from Muslim domination, than a month of seminars with participants from Brookings, the Center for Strategic Studies, the Johns Hopkins Center for International Thisandthat, and all the other places where solemn seminars and conferences (hotels and meals paid for, honoraria galore) are held to solemnly contemplate such matters as "Whither the Middle East"
or "Whither Pan-Arabism" or "Whither (o good god, fill it in yourself)."
And that's why a mosque is planned smack in the middle of an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood.
Malice aforethought. Miching mallecho.
I'll remention here that the hadith allows mosques to be used to store arms and as prisons to hold "enemy" prisoners. (David Cook, Understanding Jihad). The arms part is typical in present-day Iraq - not sure about the prisoners part.
Sort of like letting the enemy having their own armory in the middle of our cities. Their strategists are well aware of the Trojan horse legend, if our leaders are not.
It seems highly probable to me that the so-called "ACLU" would vehemently oppose a sweetheart deal anywhere in the US to give state-owned land for building a church or synagogue, and this on the grounds of the 1st amendment, "separation of church and state," etc. But the same "ACLU" would, I forecast, fight in favor of selling state land under market value for a mosque. In the case of a mosque, they would forget all about the 1st amendment!! Don't forget that DW's chief US dhimmi for 2005 is Ramsey Clark who has long been chairman of the ACLU's National Advisory Council --and still is as far as I know. So don't count on ACLU to oppose this sweetheart deal [called in real estate parlance, "non-arms length," or some such]. The aclu will forget all about the 1st amendment, if anybody had any hopes of their help.
Aleppo used to be a thriving city with large Christian components and an especially large Jewish community that had its own distinct culturre and dialogue inflections. Isn't it sad how so many of these ancient cities in the middle east once had large Jewish and Christian minorities, and now, a vanishing presacuted presence. Meanwhile the Religion of the narrow minded builds mosques and cultural centers in our country, while, I fear, monitering will not work anyhow because apart from the minibar, much homeschooling occurs . . . far away from the mosque.
Okay, now knowing all of this; why do the people REFUSE to hold the government officials responsibile for this outrage, accountable?
On one hand you people will have no problem giving away what is left of your freedom to these government officials so that you can "feel secure;" on the other hand, those same government officials do this to you with your own tax monies
-- and you do nothing?
I am beinging to think that most of you DESERVE to have a giant mosque build right in your neighborhoods.
Maybe you DESERVE to have some a-hole screeching and waking you up at 5 am EVERY morning -- and five times a day there after!
BTW, when this same shit starts up in the middle of the day and you are walking down a sidewalk -- you better stand still and put your head down or else!
Maybe you people better get out of your shells and visit some of these little shithole countries where this happens and find out first hand what it is really like before it is too late!
Now, I don't mean to be the harbinger of bad news but if this is happening in Boston and Canada; you damn well better get something done about soon.
Holding your legislators responsible for a change might be a good place to start! Your idiotic patriot bill ain't gonna protect you from Saudi cash -- and that cash is ALL your representatives seem to care about as far as I can tell!
God help us!
With respect to the issue of Saudi and foreign funding of Mosques (only a fraction of the problem), there should be a legislative ban or at the very least severe restrictions. The Saudi Accountability Act (which incidentally will never survive Committee stage) does not go even nearly far enough. Since 9/11 Arab-Saudi money flowing for Da'wa has increased not decreased.
I know what we need...
A new one of these:
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
Eliyahu,
I learned a long time ago that the ACLU is
not to be trusted. Roger Baldwin was a socialist
and defender of communism, and a rather mild
critic of the USSR compared to the USA.
Late hit here. The Saudis aren't building mosques just here, in North America, but everywhere. For example, one can drive through large swathes of Africa, where Mohammedans are rare as fiber communications, and find brand-spanking new mosques every so-many miles. This is a global effort on the part of the Saudis.
I would like to tell more people, wake the fu*k up! There is that song "wake the regiment" that might be you. If not, snooze away.