France: Sarkozy calls for discrimination in favor of Muslims

Note to French people: If you wish to get out of
the hole you are in, the first step is to stop
digging.

Affirmative action is one of the most divisive policies in the history of the U.S. But at least in the U.S., affirmative action was established against the backdrop of a vibrant, growing, economy that is capable of creating jobs. In France, the economy is stagnant, government regulation is oppressive and the unemployment rate is chronically high. The reaction against "positive discrimination" will be much more severe in France.

Amercian, I am a Brit living in France, my take on this was that the French system was working better than the UK model, as it was evident that Muslims were at least to outwards appearence less extreme, however that is changing now.

France has been in the economic doldrums for a long time, there are no jobs for people with degree's, let alone a rabble of people who gave up school because of their own stupidity. My wife who has a degree took 4 years to get a full time job, what hope these people. Its worthless, French companies are already in the shit, can't compete because of the social costs, this will just add to it, actually he is giving them created jobs, like painting and decorating their own areas etc.

As for Sarkozy, I think he has yet to really understand Islam, but he is very close to being successfully cast as a racist by the left. This announcement and a recent earlier one stating that Islam was a religion of peace is perhaps to counter that. I am not sure but perhaps he thinks he can still seculerize the Muslims, he will be disappointed.

As an individual he has guts and when he realises fully what Islam is he will meet it head on. I have at times seen clues that he does recognise Islam for what it is, but is denial or is taking a strategic approach to appear more accomodating, at least I hope I have seen that.

Understand that in France even the mainstream right is rather left wing. If the left win the next set of elections, expect the hole that they will dig will dwarf anything that the present government can dig.

Wait, but we WANT Le Pen to be the next French President, right?

If it were up to me, Le Pen would be President of the world.

What a disappointment! Sarkozy had exhibited backbone during the French Intifada. But now? He’s no better than the typical appeasing social democrat.

This is what happens when the real cause, Islam, is removed from discussion. One is forced to search for other explanations and false remedies. Sarkozy is treating superficial matters of immediate concern, secondary factors that may indeed exasperate the illness, and grievances that are rationalizations intended to blame the French for their own victimization. At all times he fails to see the depth of the real problem.

Sarkozy just doesn’t understand the root cause.

No, I think that he feels he can still make the Muslims see that La France is worth something to them and that La France. He has not understood that it is not possible to do this as their identity as Muslims is too strong, he will get there I think.

Very disappointing.

I have a vague hope that this is nothing but early electioneering as Sarkozy moves to the Left to encroach on the territory of his chief rival for the Presidency, PM de Villepin. The question is, will it backfire by driving his base to Le Pen?

I'm no fan of Le Pen, but in the improbable event he actually wins, his victory will most certainly accelerate historical processes already well under way, hastening the polarization of Europe...and doing so at a time when demography still favors the natives.

But such an outcome is not necessarily sanguine. A Le Pen victory is certain to radicalize and perhaps even Islamize the already rabid French Left. I prefer the Center-Right as the best remedy for resolving the social, political and economic problems of the West.

Problem is, as the article amply demonstrates, there IS no Center-Right in France anymore.

"If you actually implement this you will do nothing but further enflame the resentments of French non-Muslims, and virtually guarantee that LePen will be the next President of France."

And the bad news is...?

1) Affirmative action (aka reverse discrimination)

2) Hate laws (aka undue process)

3) Social welfare (aka free money for bums)

4) Government controlled media (aka agitprop)

5) Rule of the post-democratic elite (aka olympian council)

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Funny how well the 5 Pillars of Marxism align with the interests of Islam, ain't it?

If i am an emlpoyer tell me please...

1. WHY should i hire a muslim who is
Untrained.
Unqualified
Unwilling to work
Has to pray 5 times a day scaring off my customers
Hates Both me and my spouse.
Believes he has the right to engage in jihad against my country..
Is propably here illegally...

If Iran is the mecca of all muslims...

Why dont you all move to Iran....
I wont miss you...

I spent a fair amount of time in France during Le Pen's heyday. When he called for mass expulsion of Moslems back to Algeria and Morocco, I'd grab the my copy of the IHT so hard -- in support of Le Pen -- that I'd pop that pompous globo-socalist rag in half.

Does this make me bad?

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Look at it this way:

a) With Chirac you get a pro-Sharia antisemite

b) With Le Pen you get an anti-Sharia antisemite

Now, I hate anitsemites. They're stupid. But can anybody point me to a non-antisemite political leader who's against Global Sharia? (Tancredo and Romney will be destroyed by the opinion programming team in the MSM by the end of '06, so they don't count.)

"I spent a fair amount of time in France during Le Pen's heyday. When he called for mass expulsion of Moslems back to Algeria and Morocco, I'd grab the my copy of the IHT so hard -- in support of Le Pen -- that I'd pop that pompous globo-socalist rag in half. Does this make me bad?"

From my reading about Le Pen so far, I see nothing objectionable about him, and much to praise with regard to our common cause against Islam. I have yet to see any proof of the prejudicial charges against him. If anyone would care to show me proof, rather than simply parrot the condemnations of Le Pen which they have heard, I'd be interested.

(I frankly think the knee-jerk condemnation of Le Pen arises from the PC phobia against the supposed "ultra right wing", a phobia born of the Leftist obsession with standing guard over the (Second) Maginot Line of yesteryear -- a phobia with which, because PC has become dominant in the West, even centrists and many people on the right have become infected.)

"There is the human race...and then there is the French" Mark Twain

Il Toscano

PC -- or opinion programming, as I prefer to call it -- has been the biggest story out there for some time now.

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Opinion programming is so big, so all-encompassing, so important... and so totally unanalyzed.

"PC has become dominant in the West, even centrists and people on the right have become infected." from posting by Dr Pepper.

President Bush recently made a statement wishing happy Qwanza to those Americans who recognize this holiday. Isn't this a made up holiday by a convicted murderer when he was serving time in prison? Why should our president be giving credence to this sham holiday?

It seems that the desire to adhere to the tenants of multiculturism will lead many people to blindly accept any custom with little or no inquiry as to what it means or where it came from. As long as one is being inclusive, this is a good thing.

Le Pen has been smeared, libeled, and slandered by both the left and the neo-con establishment since he first entered politics.

He's been called an anti-semite but he has never advocated any policy that is negative to Jews. The only Semites he is "anti" are these Arab Muslims who want to conguer France and he is equally against the non-Semitic Turks, Pakis, Africans and all other groups within the Muslim hordes. What Le Pen represents is the average French citizen who loves his country and desires to see France remain French.

If I were French, I would support Le Pen without hesitation. The only positive discrimination these Muslim hordes deserve are to be positively discriminated out of Europe.

Daffersd :" I am English,living in France".
How I wish Jihad Watch Posts be translated into French,German,Swedish,Russian,Arabic,and Urudu! An ocean of wealthy thoughts from all around the globe,now just shared by the English knowing posters/readers only. May I request Robert Spencer to direct all future Posters of J/W,and D/W to mention at least the country from which they are are posting. It will give us an idea of Jehad Watch's global impact.

What you taking names now, rafia?

If you want my identification, I'm a devout Moslem who hails from Banghazi, Libya. I like to split my time between surfing, Salat, and Jihad-raping white women... when we can find them working on an oil exploration team or a beached sailboat or whatever.

My deepest secret is my love for the pork meat, the other white meat.

He's probably just shoring up his chances by running
to the "center" now that he's made gains from the
"right", as these categories apply in France. You
know how politicians are.

It's still a bad idea. Islam sucks, and muslims
should leave France. No, all Europe. And America,
the continents, not just the USA. And Asia. Move'em
all to Saudi Arabia. ;-)

I'm pretty sure I'd say LePen is an antisemite (and
America hater), but not a major one. Nixon was
something of an antisemite too, yet he helped
Israel a lot more than "philosemite" Clinton did.
Go figure. It seems clear from recent talks that
he's doing a Jesse Jacksom like backpedaling and
keeping the focus on the muslim problem.

Daffersd, thanks for the "on the ground"
perspective. Any French people have a comment?

Before Le Pen fever gets too high on Dhimmiwatch, I would like to point out that there is another major politician in France, far younger, far less controversial and is more than a single issue candidate.

For those who can understand a little French, a live 5 minute interview with Philippe de Villiers can be seen here.

http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=7781

Mr de Villiers is far more composed, more rational and electable than Le Pen, and his economic record in the Vendée shows that he can run things.

The phrase, "When France sneezes, Europe catches a cold", as as apt today as it has ever been. This is why the 2007 election in France is as critical in global sense, as the 2004 US elections were.

The worst case scenario in 2007, is a Sarkozy victory, government funded mosques, which is his initiative and positively discrimated muslims in high positions.

A nationalist vote split between Le Pen and de Villiers, might actually lead to this.

Positive discrimination in favor of Muslims is institutionalized in the Malaysian Constitution since 1957. It is termed “Bumiputra policy”. Singapore was part of Malaysia but left because of her opposition to this policy. Unlike Malaysia, Singapore has no natural resources (other than its people) that Malaysia was blessed with – rubber and oil palm plantations, tin, timber and oil and so was expected to fail miserably when they left Malaysia to become an independent republic in 1965. Yet according to CIA world fact book, Singapore’s per capita income is $27,800 (2004 est.) while Malaysia’s per capita income is $9,700 (2004 est.).

France should take note that the Malaysian Muslims considered the positive discrimination in their favor is their right and that the discrimination against non-Muslims is consistent to the dhimmi policies of Islamic caliphate in the past

"Mr de Villiers is far more composed, more rational and electable than Le Pen, and his economic record in the Vendée shows that he can run things."
-- from a posting above

You're not kidding. So finally we have arrived --
"Nous voila, en pleine Vendee."

There is NO SUCH THING as 'positive discrimination'! It is simply discrimination against the other party!

It ain't just leftist stupidity, it's Pragmatism too. We're screwed. Folks, Pragmatism DOMINATES American politics-- IT IS THE ULTIMATE CON-ARTIST'S(politician's) PHILOSOPHY.
America ain't America anymore-- This monstrosity of a government we have is the ANTI-THESIS of all the laws, principles, and philosophy of the Founders. We are willingly participating in enforced servitude to the (pathological, corrupt, inbred, supremicist, unelected) ELITE.

By the way, the concept of "political-correctness" originates from the Soviet-Union in the 1920's.

McCarthy was right, but he misstook Pragmatism for communism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatic_theory_of_truth

That's why Bush legitimizes "kwaanza".

And that's why our next "president" will be a minority. Most likely either Hillary or Condoleeza, possibly some other wild-card minority.

The POINT??????
THE CHOICE HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE FOR US.

Notice wikipedia says Dewey was a Pragmatist-- he was also a socialist-- the "father of our education" "system".
And the mega-industrialists of the late 19th-early 20th century bankrolled that system.
Why??
Read free on-line book:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htm

The "Matrix" we live in?? Read. If you can handle the truth, hehe, it ain't easy or fun...
http://members.mountain.net/theanalyticpapers/

Funny how Kocher was popular with the "Freepers' while Clinton was "president", but after Bush got elected the popularity dwindled. That's cause he's an INDEPENDANT. His mind is not held hostage by any political party. And he's not especially nice to their boy Bush. Bring it on.

Ah, screw it...

http://www.superlaugh.com/1/behappy.htm

I can't believe the new impuissant profile of Sarkozy. Not so long ago some at JW were offering him up as the only hope. Now he seems hopeless.

And why should those who drop out of school or shun education be rewarded by going to the head of the job-seekers queue?

Maybe it is time for France to have a leader like Le Pen. It may mean difficult times ahead but social unrest would seem to be unavoidable. Better to get it over and done with.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me some evidence that Le Pen is not a good politician in our fight against Islam.

l think the average French person is disgusted by these muslim invaders and supporting this low life. so l hope LePen can win over their votes! with allthe desctruction, riots, it has most likely put a
scare into the avearge voter. look at how they voted down the EU constitution.. they are starting to wake up.. you cannot judge them by the stupid lacky chirac and gang anymore!!

Sabastien,

I agree with you about Philippe de Villiers being the best hope for France.

Still, I had to defend LePen and his supporters against the libel that somehow they're all Fascists or racists. It is my hope that Le Pen will support Villiers and not be a candidate himself.

Remember, the Vendee has been made sacred by the blood of its many martyrs during Robespierre's terror. Perhaps it is time that the French elect a President from this region that remains the heart of the True France, once the eldest daughter of the Faith.

After the malaise of Chirac, France needs a President Villiers and then... dare we hope... a Bourbon Restoration.

A reactionary dream? perhaps. A traditionalist vision? Definitely! But all great things start with a vision.

Is Le Pen alone, the only option?

Is it not prudent to hope that all parties and groups that accept an ant-Islamic platform, join together in a government of national unity, to save France.

Why not include Le Pen, Sarkozy, Mr de Villiers and anyone else.

I know that French politics doesn't work in such a straight forward and simple way, but one can still hope the common threat of Islam can create unions from diverse parties to form a united front.

Sometimes, when I reread Bat Ye'or's "Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam", I see a parallel between the disunity and rivalries of the early Christians and Jews, that favored the Muslim conquest, with the political disunity of today's West.

We must be striving for unity with a single purpose, the defeat of Jihad and the Da'wa and set just a few main qualification for entry into governments of national unity.

1) realization of the Islamic threat to the future of Infidel nations

2) understanding and agreement that this threat trumps all other internal disputes.

3) suspension of all party rivalries and ideological disputes till the Islamic threat is reversed.

4) repudiation of all anti-Semitic stands both present and past a

5) creation of ant-Jihadi platform

6) selection of a neutral member of the GONU to lead the coalition during the duration of the Islamic threat.

Wishful thinking? One can only hope that we all see the danger before it's to late.

Provoslavni, I can see that you aren't the only one who feels that the European rot began with the totally uneccessary French Revolution.

Udachi Vam. S Novim Godom

Pepper,

In 1987, Le Pen referred to the holocaust as "a mere detail in history."

In 1997, he accused Jacques Chirac of being "in the pay of Jewish organizations and particularly the notorious B'nai B'rith."

http://www.adl.org/international/le-pen_new.asp

Yes, there are hardcore anti-Semitic component to Le Pen, this is very bad, but many rank and file are ordinary Frenchmen who are alarmed by the recent transformation of France, and the huge growth of Islam in the suburbs.

You can not change Le Pen's basic faults, I would be surprised if he truly changed his repugnant views about Jews and the Holocaust.

I would not like to see a government dominated by the National Front, but as a coalition partner who publicly repudiates past and present anti-Semitism, we should not exclude him.

Anti-Islamic forces in the West and France needs national unity, we can't turn down the support of any group. The coming elections, should not be about one party, or one person, but to support a platform that addresses the Islamic threat, and create a government of all parties with the expressed purpose of implementing an anti-Dihimmi program.

I would rather join forces with someone like Le Pen, then allow an Islamic take over and Dihimmitude for our children and grandchildren.

In WWII, the West made many unsavory alliances, even with some one as evil as
Stalin, why shouldn't we be able to work with someone a million times less repugnant.

I repeat if we are to survive we should have national unity in all countries with all parties that would fight the rising tide of Jihad.

Cornelius,

That link you provide is not the best evidence I'd hope could be mustered -- it has no linked references to key accusations, for example.

From this Haaretz Daily interview (which I link at the bottom) with Le Pen, I see nothing wrong with his views (except somewhat, see my following two paragraphs); and he does not come across as a person trying to deceive -- indeed, his candor and bluntness are what have gotten him in trouble in our PC-hairtrigger times.

From this interview and Le Pen's response noted here, I do agree this particular response seems disingenuous:

When asked to elaborate about this "detail" in 1997, Le Pen explained: "If you take a thousand-page book about World War II, the concentration camps would take up two pages and the gas chambers would take up 10 to 15 lines. That's what I call a detail."

However, his statements about Israel show that he cannot be an anti-Semite in the most important sense today:

Interviewer: Can you understand the complaints in Israel about the "hypocritical" European reaction?

Le Pen: "Certainly. After all, I got a similar reaction during the war in Algeria, when I served in General Massu's 10th division. We were called upon to fight the terrorism of the FLN (the Algerian nationalist movement that fought against French colonialism). The intelligentsia at home criticized our actions. It's very easy to criticize from the armchair in the living room. I completely understand the State of Israel, which is seeking to defend its citizens."

Interviewer: Do you condone the Israeli action against the Iraqi nuclear reactor?

Le Pen: "Yes, of course. That was an act of prevention. True, it doesn't conform to international law, but in such a situation, there is no need to use it."

Again, Le Pen: "The Israeli government says that it is a victim of terrorist activity, but this activity is less visible than the military strikes. I belonged to the 10th paratroop division that was ordered to destroy the terror in Algiers. This was after a series of terror attacks against civilians in public centers. The division did wipe out terror, and it didn't do this by being gentle with the terrorists. A war on terror is a brutal thing."

This Haaretz Daily interview has many other revealing things about Le Pen -- none of which offend, and all of which endear:

Le Pen was asked of his opinion on a variety of things:

The French Revolution - "A bloody calamity for the French people. This revolution spawned two dreadful bastards: Nazism and communism."

The skullcap - "The skullcap that Catholic priests wear? I don't have anything against the skullcap. It's a personal choice."

The Muslim veil - "It protects us from ugly women."

The Dreyfus Affair - "Dreyfus was exonerated and that concluded the affair. We should remember that among those who sided with Dreyfus at the time were people from the right, and that some from the left were among his opponents."

Collaborators with Hitler - "France was an occupied country. There were two kinds of collaborators: those who were forced by the Nazis to collaborate and those who viewed Hitler as the realization of anti-communist socialism. The latter were almost all leftists, by the way."

What is your definition of torture?

Le Pen: "I don't know. I would define it as `a series of violent acts that cause physical injury to individuals, actions that destroy the personality and leave traces.' Police and military interrogations do not fit this definition of torture. What's surprising is that the people who fought against torture here are the communists. And the communists are the ones who used to practice systematic mass torture in their own countries. The suffering caused by the terrorists is the real torture. The struggle against terrorists sometimes requires secrecy and it has its own rules. The enemy must not be allowed the advantage that permits him to plant bombs when and where he wants. In this struggle, everyone must carry his own burden."

Le Pen was asked about fascist elements alleged to have been in his party, the National Front:

Le Pen: “In [my party, the National Front], there was no mention of fascism or national-socialism. In my speeches, I always condemned communism, national-socialism and fascism. Incidentally, I define all of them as leftist movements that were spawned by the French Revolution. The only reason that our movement was pegged with the extremist label is because of our loyalty to the principle of `French Algeria' and our opposition to the policy of separation from Algeria, which De Gaulle instituted.”

Do you agree with Jacques Chirac's 1995 statement about France's responsibility for the crimes of the Vichy government?

Le Pen: "No. France was not responsible for this criminal policy. France was an occupied country, a country that surrendered and was left without the right to choose. Therefore, to be fair, you cannot say that it was a willing partner in this policy. On this I agree with De Gaulle [who viewed France as a `resistance country' - A.P.], and with practically all the French leaders aside from Jacques Chirac. I am sure that he made this statement for electoral reasons. It was a showy move designed to win sympathy in certain circles."

Which circles?

Le Pen: "In this case, Jewish circles. In a successful book that was published recently ["L'homme qui ne s'aimait pas" - "The Man Who Didn't Love Himself"], Eric Zemmour, a journalist from Le Figaro, quotes President Chirac as saying after his declaration of French responsibility for Vichy crimes: `I hope the Jews will stop pestering me from now on.'"

There's much more at the link from which I culled the above --
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=153419&sw=le+pen

""There is the human race...and then there is the French"
-- posted by il toscano

Did you ask Mark about where the Moslems fit in?

Islam has advanced through out history by the sword, and those in their path have been unable to stem the tide. If, as many proclaim, Le Pen can halt the islamic onslaught, does this make Le Pen mightier than Le Sword?

Interesting info Dr.Pepper.
If LePen wins, he could be the leader of the free-world.
The only real one anyways. The rest are CLOWNS.

I should amend that to: Elitist, degenerate, supremicist, narcisistic,lying CLOWNS.