Whatever the domestic political motives are behind this, she is right. From NewsMax, with thanks to Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi:
Teresa Heinz Kerry says she is "outraged" that President Bush didn't react more forcefully to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent recommendation that Israel be "wiped off the map," saying that the way to deal with Iranian threats is by issuing "the strongest possible condemnations."Re-adopting her husband's last name for a column in Thursday's Jewish Forward, Heinz Kerry complained:
"The Bush administration - which so often answers challenges with confrontational language - took this occasion to whisper. With the exception of America's ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, who denounced the remarks as "pernicious and unacceptable," the Bush administration explained those comments as if they had been uttered by a crazy relative - and then returned to its talking points on Iran's nuclear weapons program."
Isn't this the same Theresa Heinz Kerry whose husband was saying 1 year ago that he wanted to give nuclear fuel to Iran?
Specifically, her husband made a key point in his campaign:
If president, he said he would have "offered the opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel" to Iran, to "test them, see whether or not they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes."
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20041014-084639-5209r.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40734
Isn't this also the Theresa Heinz Kerry whose husband had pro-Iranian regime fund-raisers (such as Susan Akbarpour) as contributors to his presidential campaign?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40744
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20041014-084639-5209r.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37393
Isn't this also the Theresa Heinz Kerry whose husband pro-Iranian positions (that she never criticized) drew the following from Iran's Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy: "Senator, by sending such a message directly to the organs and megaphones of the dictatorial Islamic regime, you have given them credibility, comfort and embraced this odious theocracy. You have encouraged and emboldened a tyrannical regime to use this as propaganda and declare 'open season' on the freedom fighters in Iran."
And we are supposed to Theresa Heinz Kerry seriously now and believe her concerns against Iran are now legitimate?
I don't belief that for one second.
I can't imagine a single person who would.
There is a lot of real news about Jihad out there.
Kerry's newly-found apocryphal "concern" about Iran is nothing but propaganda.
PS - this is the same woman publishing in the Jewish Forward, whose son a year ago criticized Jewish influence in the Democratic Party calling the "Israeli lobby" a 51st state...
I'm sorry - I don't buy hypocrisy.
Wasn't it Woodrow Wilson who said "Talk softly but carry a big stick"?
Bush carries a big stick (figuratively speaking!) and the unfortunate intelligence leaks of the past few days confirm that he's been talking softly in public only and that in private he's been doing a helluva lot to protect America (& by extension, Israel). How do we know he's not doing the right ting (or at least preparing to do so) w.r.t. Iran? Just because his timetables and speeches don't match our expectations doesn't mean he's always wrong.
Anyway, both Teresa and Kerry carry little sticks (both literally and figurately.../sarc off) if any and hence they see no need to talk softly I guess.
Uh hum, that was Teddy Roosevelt who said that. Woodrow Wilson couldn't tell big wood from brush.
Also just in case anyone has forgotten....
Theresa Heinz Kerry is one of the primary financial sponsors of the left-wing Tides Foundation.
The Tides Foundation supports:
-- CAIR. I don't need to tell anyone who this is, right?
-- National Lawyers Guild (NLG) - Lynne Stewart, defense of Sheikh Rahman’s Islamic Jihad
-- Among others.
I am sorry - with all of the real Jihad news stories out there today, I just find it amazing that ANYTHING Theresa Heinz Kerry would say would be taken seriously on an anti-Jihad web site.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12187
"unfortunate intelligence leaks of the past few days confirm that he's been talking softly in public only and that in private he's been doing a helluva lot to protect America..."
In D.C. nothing happens by accident -- its shrewd politics, that's all.
Thanks for refresher jeffreyimm.
What a bunch of malarchy she is spouting off...and what business is it of her anyhow???
We should be doubly thankful at this point in life for the way the 2004 ELECTIONS turned out...just imagine her in the White House as First Lady making pillow talk with John Kerry????
Well anyhow the reality is that she aint in the White House and is visibly shaken by this!!!!!
from worldnetdaily.com
Briefly, its another "American Hiroshima" article and the following is apparently a quote from Williams:
"However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack. "
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48061
Now I have no idea if ANY of this is true but if it is...well it does speak for itself. In that case, I'm sure Clinton and Kerry will be hustled to safety with George and the beautiful people after Bin Laden gives them appropriate notice.
Merry Christmas. Opps, I used the "C" word again.
JeffreyImm, thanks for that post. I was hyperventilating too hard to write coherently. The chutzpah of that woman (thankfully not our First Lady) is simply unbelievable.
Maybe Teresa Heinz Kerry thinks she has a shot at being Hillary's running mate...wouldn't that be an entertaining primary!
She is only relevant to herself...and those fortunate enough to be her kin.
It certainly seems difficult to ketchup with Teresa. There are times she seems to have a variety of 57 ways of doings things. We certainly know that she hates communism, and marxism after her experiences growing up in Africa. No doubt she has had a history of speaking quite bluntly over 30 some years of being exposed to that precious freedom in America. For a woman who speaks 5 different languages, and now controls much of the Heinz wealth,she is probably more of what may be called an internationalist in her thinking. But many around her still feel that she still espouses many republican values that conflict with her left of center Husbands.
Reading "The Lusiads" of Camoes (a name pleasurable to attempt to pronounce correctly) in the Atkinson prose translation, looking especially at the parts about the Portuguese defeating the Muslims in Asia (Lisbon itself having been liberated from Muslims, in 1147, with help from English Crusaders on their way to crusade), I have naturally been wondering if, in her youth, the girl from Lourenco Marques (now Maputo, from where the singer Al Bowlly also came) read Os Lusiads and whether, having had an old-fashioned European education, she may have a better sense, or is more capable of acquiring a better sense, of what European civilization is all about, about the historic enmity and malevolence of Islam, that goes back a long way (right to the birth of Islam). This doesn't mean she has read Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. It does not mean that she has not been subject to all the Idols of the Age (American version) that get in the way of seeing Islam plain, and with the right level of implacability that the situation, and the menace, require. But perhaps her different mental formation will be some help.
She might be just one more E.U. appeaser in the Javier Solana-Chris Patten line. Or she mght be someone more amenable to considering the views of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq, Oriana Fallaci. One doesn't know.
One wishes that just as Democrats were as fiercely anti-Communist, and sometimes more so, than Republicans (it was businessmen wanting to make deals with the Soviet Union -- Armand hammer, David Kendall of Pepsi-Cola -- who were least enthusiastic about the Jackson-Vanik Amendment), that they could slough off their timidity or silence on the matter of the Jihad, and whatever dislike or hatred they have for Bush, forget about that and, if they criticize him, criticize him for not articulating the problem, and for not exploiting the situation in Iraq so as to demoralize and divide the enemy. It may be impossible that this point to speak directly, but there are all sorts of ways in which Aesopian language, or the oblique style, or synecdoche (again: let the word "Jihad" stand in, so that "all those who believe in Jihad" becomes a repeated and fixed phrase) can be employed. Surely the Democratic Party has at least one person willing to do a passable imitation of Henry Jackson. Where is he, or she, or they?
Posters above unanimously suggest that Theresa Heinz's article is hypocrtical. Is it? Are we to assume that she shares completely the views attributed to her husband and her son (I'd like more information on that claim about the son who dismissed American supporters of Israel)? She gives the appearance of being someone who thinks for herself, who has her own quite different background, views, take on the universe, and possibly she could have, these last few years, had the leisure to read, to think, to wonder about the ideology, and practice, and history of Islam. Perhaps she likes art museums. Perhaps she likes art. Perhaps there is something about the islamization of Europe that she may feel a bit more keenly than others. Or perhaps not.
Hope springs. While the possessor of that hope counts the spoons faster. Or passes the ammunition. Or something.
"The way to deal with Iranian threats is by issuing the strongest possible condemnations."
No, the way to deal with these threats is to make plans - now - to attack these maniacs and take out their nuclear installations before they have a nuclear arsenal. Even one Iranian bomb is one too many, because, as I have argued elsewhere and continue to aver, such weaponry is being developed to be used, not just displayed.
See Charles Krauthammer's recent column, published last week, wherein he reports that the Iranian leader is expecting the imminent appearance of the Twelfth Imam (analogous to the Messiah), which he believes will be hastened by a nuclear war. Of course, the Iranian monsters will be more than happy to take the initiative in this regard. They have no fear of death, but embrace the prospect eagerly.
"We should be doubly thankful at this point in life for the way the 2004 elections turned out". post by check.
When I think about how close Kerry came to winning the election I am frtghtened. No I am terrified.
With all due respect (which is zero), Mrs. Heinz, you need to stick to making ketchup and your various and sundry sauces... your favorite is vodka we hear. You are a drunken fool and you cost your husband the election; but we in the USA are better for it. Further, I've boycotted all Heinz products since I found out who you were. Finally, if anyone takes the time to research the causes you openly support, you should be strung up and dragged through a pit of feces. Nobody cares what you have to say, you silly, drunken wench.
Jeff,
Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of Teresa Heinz Kerry. A woman whose husband (while a presidential candidate) wanted to give nuclear fuel to Iran.Heinz-Kerry is not someone who is credible or who should be taken seriously.
In another bit of hypocrisy from the dems. It's been noted that while the dems wring their hands over eavesdropping on AQ terrorists none have called for the end to the NSA program.Possibly because they'd be cutting their throats and committing political suicide by doing so.
How do you fight and surrender at the same time?
For inspiration to answer this troubling question, I must to Viet Nam and visit the shrine the communists have maintained since the mid-1970s in tribute to Teresa's cowardly husband.
I believe the commies built the Lt. Kerry shrine before he was quietly and dishonorably removed from the Massachussets Naval Reserves for treason (a black mark later expunged by Jimmy Carter).
Mackie says "We certainly know that she hates communism, and marxism after her experiences growing up in Africa."
Oh come on, please.
Please read more about her affiliations, before you make such statements.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12187
I could rant for hours about how this statement is far from the truth, but let me just cut to the chase with a few examples.
That is why Theresa Heinz Kerry is a key donator to the Tides Foundation that includes the Institute for Global Communications which was a facilitator for the Radical Left, including the VERY COMMUNIST International Action Center founded by Ramsey Clark (Dhimmi of the Year by the way, and defender of Saddam Hussein).
Please do your homework if you are going to say things like this.
Hugh says:
"Posters above unanimously suggest that Theresa Heinz's article is hypocrtical. Is it? Are we to assume that she shares completely the views attributed to her husband and her son (I'd like more information on that claim about the son who dismissed American supporters of Israel)? She gives the appearance of being someone who thinks for herself, who has her own quite different background, views, take on the universe, and possibly she could have, these last few years, had the leisure to read, to think, to wonder about the ideology, and practice, and history of Islam."
OK Hugh, here's a question for you, and I think it is a fair one. Please explain Theresa Heinz Kerry's very significant financial funding with the Tides Foundation and its various support for CAIR, National Lawyer's Guild, and other various pro-Jihad causes. Please give us an explanation of that first. Is that not a reasonable question? I have provided multiple links here, and certainly you are more than a skilled researcher. So please answer that for us, if we are to have any credibility in her "concerns" about Iran.
As to Chris Heinz - the original story was from Philadelphia magazine, then NY Post:
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/33033.htm
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-coke01.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/31/115555.shtml
October 31, 2004 -- THIS campaign is ending just in time before someone gets hurt. John Kerry's stepson, Chris Heinz, 31, displayed his mother Teresa's famous lack of rhetorical restraint at a recent campaign event with a group of Wharton students. Philadelphia magazine reports: "Heinz accused Kerry's opponents - 'our enemies' - of making the race dirty. 'We didn't start out with negative ads calling George Bush a cokehead,' he said, before adding, 'I'll do it now.' Asked later about it, Heinz said, 'I have no evidence. He never sold me anything.'" Heinz also reminded writer Sasha Issenberg of Pat Buchanan by saying, "One of the things I've noticed is the Israel lobby - the treatment of Israel as the 51st state, sort of a swing state." Buchanan was blasted as an anti-Semite years ago when he cited Israel's "amen corner" in Congress.
Something you will notice about me Hugh - I don't stand on rhetoric. I focus on facts that are demonstratable with specific sources. I believe that is necessary in credibility in fighting Jihad - and you will see that UnitedStatesAction.com is about FACTS - FACTS - FACTS - as it has been for 4 years - not rhetoric, editorializing, and generalizations. That is my approach - because I believe in the long run, facts are the key weapon in fighting Jihad.
I raised a question. I did so knowing perfectly well I didn't have to say a thing, but could have let those violently opposed to her hold the entire floor. I did not endorse Theresa Heinz. I did not endorse her husband. I said I wished to know more about her, and that includes the amount of control, or even detailed knowledge, she has, of the TIDES foundation and its beneficiaries. I would like to know if, once certain piquant details about those beneficiaries have been brought to her attention, she has changed the policies of the TIDES foundation. I want to know as much as I can. There is something about her that makes me think -- a hunch -- that she may be more willing to be open to being disturbed by the ideology of Islam, less willing to be satisfied with the usual pieties. Her discussion of life in a Portuguese colony, for example, was not at all full of the standard guff one might have expected.
I'm waiting. And meanwhile, reading Camoes. And wondering whether Teresa Heinz, who looks as if official Washington bores her (a good sign), and whose world-view, given her background (colonial Africa, translator's school, and so on) is likely to be a bit broader than that of many of those around her, is now reading not the Platform for A New America (or something to that boring and predictable effect), but Clarice Lispector or possibly "Speak Memory." She may be more likely to take in, as I noted, Oriana Fallaci and Ibn Warraq and Ayaan Hirsi Ali then some of the dullards (political consultants, psephologists) hanging round her husband's Louisburg Square door. If she can begin to study and assimilate and understand fully the belief-system of Islam, the tenets and attitudes and atmospherics, and remain immune to the siren-song of the army of apologists (including the problem of the personally charming, highly unrepresentative Muslim -- Chalabi and Makiya come to mind), and if she is one of those Europeans immune to the related mental conditions of anti-Americanism and antisemitism, then that means something. It means a good deal. She may well be alarmed, or be capable of being alarmed, about the islamization of Europe, and what that would mean for science, art, free and sketpical inquiry, individual freedom. She might be such a person. What effect that would have on her husband is another matter. But it's a way in.
I'm not prepared, as yet, on the basis of what little I know, to cast her into the outer darkness. Tomorrow or next week, I may learn something that will make me respond differently.
"Surely the Democratic Party has at least one person willing to do a passable imitation of Henry Jackson. Where is he, or she, or they?"
-- posted by Hugh
Until the central myth --- and the extremely damaging governmental policy --- of multiculturalism is exposed, you'll find no unqualified nationalistic loyalty among the Democrats.
PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH
When I look at our media and our government, I see the undulating thoraxes I saw on that geeky tape College Professors Gone Wild!, pasty pot-bellied old socialists gyrating in their bonfire ritual on beach.
Let's see if she
puts her money
where her mouth is.
I must say though
she has more passion and depth
than her ivy league toyboy.
. . . and
she has some points that are right.
. . .I liked the virus analogy,
read the whole thing at forward.com
and scratched my head.
Perhaps we should put Teresa
in our prayers as she plunges
over the great abyss.
Merry Christmas!
and
a Happy New Year!
Iranian monsters will be more than happy to take the initiative in this regard. They have no fear of death, but embrace the prospect eagerly.
Posted by: commonsense [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2005 11:40 AM
\these same Iranian monsters who dont fear death, seem to send some lackeys over with bomb belts to their dirty deeds! l think Bush is working on the inside to get rid of of pres. of iran.. a few more well placed undercover people could take care of our little villian of iran!
Jeffrey Imm:
I'm Sorry, but most of the research I have done on teresa simply does not comport with what the author on frontpage reflects about her positions ETc,ETc. on Most of the good she has done in this country.
Her focus has been primarily environmental and womens issues and not left wing politics. She did not convert over to the Democratic party until 2002, and only after she was angry about the treatment of triple amputee Chambliss during a particularly nasty campaign. For myself, I have always been a ardent Republican supporter. Maybe Hugh is right, maybe Teresa needs to take a better look at what is being supported through the tides Foundation committee.
Or might it be the Tides group receives funds from charitable groups other than the Heinz Foundation, groups whose officers also, in the past, not understood what was going on, and have failed to monitor as closely as they should have who, what where. Since 9/11/2001 there has been no excuse. No person, and no foundation, should support in any way any charity that includes, among its intended beneficiaries, any group or individual who, by what is does, objectively furthers the Jihad to spread Islam until it covers the globe. Those who engage in Taqiyya-and-Tu-Quoque misleading of Infidels are furthering the Jihad. Those who engage in Da'wa are furthering the Jihad. Those who set up phony, because based not on a desire to actually exchange views but rather to mislead Infidels and to present a thoroughly sanitized view of Qur'an (and Hadith and Sira are normally carefully omitted by Muslims altogether when they present their usual mix of blague, furrowed-brow earnestness, and feigned sincerity at these "Muslim-Jewish" and "Muslim-Christian" dialogue things (where everyone has taken off his shoes in the mosque, and is waiting for the spicy chicken, the hot pita, and of course the sweets -- something in honey and nuts -- afterwards.
Teresa Heinz does not appear to be a dope or a dullard. That's unusual, but especially so in political circles.
Some think the Jury has already delivered its irrefutable verdict, and anyone who suggests otherwise must be getting his marching orders from Willi Munzenberg, or possibly directly from the Politburo. Well, I don't have, and would not take, any marching orders from anyone.
And I think the Jury is still deliberating.
Hugh's first post is surprisingly close to my own opinions about Teresa Heinz Kerry. Over here, in the old continent, she is considered someone who's unpredictable nature often makes her a wildcard. What it doesn't make her is a puppet of her husband's. Another thing that stroke me was that she seems to be one of those people that just has to have the leading role, even if for the wrong reasons.
And specifically to Hugh:
"Os Lusíadas", that wonderful masterpiece from Camões (to any anglophone wondering, it reads somewhat close to Cah-moin-sh) is learnt by every high school student. Considering how old she is (and considering how wealthy her Portuguese family was), odds are that she knows it by heart. The original is mostly a praise to Portugal made by Vasco da Gama as he told the story of the Portuguese to the Indian samorin of Calicut. There are some passages about the liberation of Portugal from the Muslim yoke, and from the conquest of the Moroccan coast during the XV century. I don't believe that there is anything about the construction of the Indian Empire because at the time of Vasco da Gama's journey (in 1498), there was no empire yet. The empire was conquered by giants like Francisco de Almeida or Afonso de Albuquerque only some years after Gama reached Calicut.
On a diferent note, as the independent woman that she is, Teresa Kerry probably hates the crazy mullahs more than her husband.
Hugh says: "Or might it be the Tides group receives funds from charitable groups other than the Heinz Foundation, groups whose officers also, in the past, not understood what was going on, and have failed to monitor as closely as they should have who, what where. "
Hugh you are saying you have an open mind and are not an apologist for this person. I ask you to move your wrist sufficiently to simply click on some of the research links on this and read the story, that I have already provided. There is no need for you to be "waiting" on this.
I am not going to spoon feed it for anyone, because every reader here is smarter than that.
I believe in readers getting the facts, chewing them, and digesting them, themselves - rather than my providing an "interpretation" of the facts.
Those of you who think the wife of a presidential candidate does not know what her major charities are doing in funding CAIR, Lynne Stewart's groups, etc., etc., well you have an unparalleled degree of trust in this Theresa Kerry. Why?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15109
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=15110
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=15111
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=15142
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=15144
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=15143
But just in case you don't believe any of those web sites (I can find more if you really want), how about reading this one below?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000960.php
It is called Dhimmi Watch, and was posted by a guy named Robert Spencer. You may have heard of him.
February 23, 2004
Kerry's wife supports U.S. radicals, jihadists
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000960.php
(PS - this is EXACTLY why it is so important to focus on facts and do your homework).
Mackies says: "She did not convert over to the Democratic party until 2002"
What does that have to do with Theresa Heinz Kerry's contributions to Tides Foundation and its support for Jihad?
"Heinz Kerry, worth an estimated three-quarters of a billion dollars, working through the Howard Heinz Endowment, oversaw the donation of more than $4 million to the Tides Foundation between 1995 and 2001, reports G2 Bulletin, a premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WorldNetDaily."
posted by Robert Spencer
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000960.php
February 23, 2004
Kerry's wife supports U.S. radicals, jihadists
As Robert says.... "Read it all...."
Answers to the following would be helpful:
1) Does the Heinz Foundation still give funds which are then channelled by the Tides Foundation, and if so, does the Heinz Foundation specify to what groups it wishes the money to go? Has it always done so?
2) Where has money from the Heinz Foundation (and how many different Heinz Foundations are there?), which apparently uses the Tides Foundation in the same way that many other charitable (or at least 501(c)(3) organizations have done (i.e. for administrative purposes) , do -- for administrative purposes -- go? Does it benefit anyone outside Pennsylvania? In Pennsylvania, does it go, or has it ever gone, to unsavory groups?
3) Do any other charitable use the Tides Foundation for the same purposes as the Heinz Foundation may possibly ave done so -- as an administrative conduit and convenience?
If charges are levelled that can be easily rebutted, and then they are rebutted, this can give someone a kind of blanket immunity from well-founded criticism. Caution counts.
Hugh -
Ask Robert Spencer, if you really want to know.
If you think his criticism is not well-founded, tell him.
"Heinz Kerry, worth an estimated three-quarters of a billion dollars, working through the Howard Heinz Endowment, oversaw the donation of more than $4 million to the Tides Foundation between 1995 and 2001, reports G2 Bulletin, a premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WorldNetDaily."
posted by Robert Spencer
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000960.php
February 23, 2004
Kerry's wife supports U.S. radicals, jihadists
As Robert says.... "Read it all...."
I really have more important things to do in fighting Jihad than researching every single thing Theresa Heinz Kerry has every done financially, especially given my staff limitations (me). I have provided more than plenty of facts on every detail of the Tides Foundation and Theresa Heinz Kerry. If you are unwilling to look at it, and the postings of Robert Spencer, that's your choice. In the meantime, I stand by my comments based on supported facts with sources (unlike some who argue based on rhetoric only) that Theresa Heinz Kerry is not credible on the subject of Iran.
Moreover, the larger and more obvious point is this. If there is a criticism of the Bush admin others regarding their lack of forcefulness on Iranian President - why not just issue the criticism? Why go to a source that is totally without credibility as a basis for such discussion? This obviously detracts and undermines from the entire point being raised here.
As a long-time Democrat, I don't defend those whose positions are not defensible, including those who have hijacked the Democratic Party. That definitely includes Theresa Heinz Kerry. I find it odd and troubling that there are those here that would think her positions are either credible or defensible in obvious contradiction to a mountain of facts. That would be more than partisanship in my view, and for a site that is arguing that it is not partisan (and I believe that is correct), that would be undermining the points that have been made on that subject.
Tides schmides. Isn't all this so many angels dancing on the head of a pin?
Look, Iran has openly commited to pursuing nuclear war against the infidels. They will, and we all know it.
The question, then, is who has the stomach for a pre-emptory strike.