UK military chief wants more Muslims in armed forces

It looks like we have a new candidate for the British Dhimmi of the Year award.

But this guy is more than just a dhimmi. He has to be on the take from the Saudis or some-one .

Yeah, good call!
Make sure you put one of 'm in charge of the nuclear arsenal.
That'll put the 5 in fifth column.

Not content with constant appeasement & surrender to all things Islamic, the Dhimmi New Labour Government now wants to train the UK Jihad Squads as well.

I don't know who wrote this, but it is apt:

"Trying to judge between moderate Muslims & Jihadi's is like saying there are good nazi's & bad nazi's"

No doubt the new Muslim Britishistan Regiment will all be fast tracked to Officer Class?

When will they learn that these guys will not follow orders if the subject of those orders is action against their true Nation - the Ummah?

How will it work out, in the individual units? How will it work out in training, in the mess hall, when troops are alerted that they may be going abroad to a Muslim country, or at home they have to deal with terrorist attacks? The troops, the non-Muslim troops, will suffer in cohesion, in morale, in the ability to talk openly, and there will always be a nagging worry that the Muslim troops -- well, are they loyal? Can they be? What about the others who come from backgrounds that make them less susceptible to white Western silliness? What about Hindu volunteers? What about the famous Gurkhas? What about all those who come from any kind of background that makes them more keenly aware, and suspicious, of Muslims -- with good reason?

What can this insane offer mean, if it is meant? Does no one in the British govenment want to give the alarm, want to explain that as a matter not of personal whim but of doctrine, of teaching, of inculcation, a Muslim is to owe his loyalty to Islam and to the umma al-islamiyya, the Community of Believers. He cannot, conceivably, ever be loyal to Infidels or the Infidel nation-state and remain a true Muslim. That's it. There are a handful who may ignore this teaching, and the view upon which it rests -- that Believer-Infidel division of the world -- but that is because they are unobservant or "bad" Muslims. Fine. But even those "bad" Muslmis can become "better" Muslims, and renew their faith. That's a permanent problem.

This British general may make Feel Good Noises and Feel Good Himelf about Diversity in the Army. But everyone else in the country with his mind intact should be worried, worried, worried.

General Walker praises the Muslim Council of Britain, so he should just listen to what its head, Sir Iqbal, has just said from the story below: 'loyalty to the UK was not incompatible with the Muslim faith....'

What is he going to suggest next? Is he going to propose that the UK stop recruiting Gurkhas?

In mention of this issue, bring up the Indian subcontinent as an exemplary model will fit when discussing the matter of whom to recruit and not recruit. The British did a fine job of studying the varying groups of India to determine which were the martial groups and which were not. Furthermore, they also determined who was loyal and would honour his word and who among them was leaning towards treachery. It is a common theme that the Hindu, including the Sikh, martial groups were seen as trustworthy without a doubt, while the Muslims were keen to betray for the cause of Islam at a moment’s notice.

"Captain Bingley, writing of the Rajputs, tells of the traditional valour of Rajput Warriors and rehearses some of the past glories of the old Company’s army; he recalls the story of the Queen’s own Rajputs (once the 31st) at Bhurtpore; remembers Nott’s praise for the ‘beautiful sepoy regiments’ when they first went to Kandahar. ‘Our troops carried the enemy’s position in gallant style; it was the finest ting I ever saw. Those 8,000 Afghans could not stand our 1200 men for an hour.”He goes on that the system......Rajputs, he continues, are soldiers by tradition and taught by their religion (Hinduism) to regard the profession of arms as their legitimate occupation.....they form the military caste which should hold its own and bear favourable comparison with the most warlike of the races now serving under our colours’."

P.356, A Matter of Honour, Philip Mason,

isbn: 0-333-41837-9

In this book, as in others about the Indian soldiers who served under the Union Jack, references are made towards the fact that Hindu soldiers were loyal while the Muslims could not be trusted.. On page 365 of the above mentioned book, there is a reference to the martial spirit honour and loyalty of Sikhs, Rajputs and Gurkhas, but not of the Muslims.

Furthermore, many Muslims have started the tactics of claiming origin from Hindu martial groups, for example claiming such things as Muslim Rajputs or Muslim Gurkhas, these abominations neither exist nor are they accepted among the Rajputs and Gurkhas. Although, it is known that because of forced conversions, it is very likely that some Muslims may be the offspring of Rajputs and other groups converted to Islam, however it is also mentioned in many of these books that they no longer contained the quality, spirit or psyche and were inferior in all realms including their sense of honour. Thus, although they may claim descent for the Hindu, and Sikh, martial groups, they are longer fit to claim such honours or are they of the same calibre.

I sincerely hope that the British Government does not take up the practice of recruiting more Muslims into her forces. I hope they study their history once again.

"Bravest of the brave,
most generous of the generous,
never had country more faithful friends than you."

Sir Ralph Turner (former officer in the 3rd Gurkha Rifles).
Carved on the London memorial to the Gurkha soldier unveiled by Queen Elizabeth II on December 3, 1997

-Cheers

Ayo Gorkhali! (Here come the Gurkhas!)

@ albion:

The only difference between a Jihadi and a moderate Muslim is that the Moderate Muslim ran out of ammunition.

Heard that from somewhere.

-Cheers

And Little Red Riding Hood said - "Grandmother, what big teeth you have got!"
To which the Wolf replied - "All the better to eat you up with."

Hmm...sort of like having dinner with Hannibal Lechter huh?

When I went to the Army Recruiting Office when I left school at a time when the IRA were bombing us, I was asked whether any of my parents, grandparents or inlaws were Irish.

sorry, I thought that Sir Iqbal had said that loyalty with Britain was not compatible with Islam.

This is an elegant example of how Islam is an organic organizational phenomenon.

If Islam were organized around the central command model, officers at the World Sharia Command Center would be sending out messages telling imams to direct young Moslem Men into the Western militaries.

The benefits are obvious: training, access to equipment, intelligence, and opportunities for sabotage during battle.

But instead, no such messages are going out, which is why none have been intercepted. Instead, it is the enemy, the infidels, who are spending money getting these Islamic soldiers positioned for intra-military Jihad.

This is because Islam is a loosely-coupled organization built around its scriptural commandments.

PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH

I've never doubted the important of science, engineering, and military in shaping history.

Now, with Islam looming on our horizon, I will never, ever, understimate the great power of university departments of fake history, fake political science, and fake journalism, not to mention our schools of fake law.

These fakes kick ass when it comes to losing on purpose. Maybe Islam's loose, undocumented structure and its packaging of war doctrine-as-religion is why these Ivy League dumb-asses are so dangrously mix-up.

Elephant wrote:

"When I went to the Army Recruiting Office when I left school at a time when the IRA were bombing us, I was asked whether any of my parents, grandparents or inlaws were Irish."

Elephant, I do not know whether you do in fact have an Irish background, but either way, would you say that it was a fair enough question, in the circumstances?

I have often wondered, and your post brought it to mind, what was it like being Irish during the IRA London bombing campaign. Does anyone know?

One thing is for sure, I - in Australia - never at the time heard story after story about the Irish in England whining about the terrible "backlash" that they had to contend with, and how they were marginalised and vilified, and - horror of horrors - people even looked at them!

As to the story posted, if Chief of Defence Staff, General Michael Walker is at all indicative of the prevailing attitude at the top ranks of the military in the UK, you guys are up shit creek without a paddle!

-The head of the UK Armed Forces today made a direct appeal to the British Islamic community to encourage more Muslims to join up. -

This guy is so transparent. Unfortunately, as a military officer rises through the ranks, at some point he must enter the world of political manuevering to succeed.

This man has morphed completely to a politician. Nothing is more important now to this commander than his carrer. Not even the survival of his nation and culture.

All he is doing is obsequiously polishing the apple for his current political masters who are themselves hellbent on dhimmi status. Disgusting but true.

He will go far before the fall of western civilization under the muslim sandal. Hope he enjoys it.

Two words, one oxymoron:

Military intelligence.

Gorkhali

I like that more than the one I heard.

Long Live The Gurkha's!

Best regards
Albion

So now Britain is training those who will eventually kill them? How blind can you get? I wonder of the mental degradation one has to be in to think, "these are the people who are killing my people, so I think it would be best if we encouraged them to go into military training, to use against us later." It's simply insane that one would think that muslims have done a "good job" of reflecting the different cultures of Britain, and not only that, being tolerant of those other cultures. And then to offer them fuel for the fire? It's mind boggling.

I sometimes marvel at the conspiracy theories among the Muslims, of plots against Islam by the Infidels. But at other times, and this is one, I can begin to imagine how it must look to them.

Let's see -- they bomb our innocent civilians relentlessly -- they call for our annihilation in their houses of worship -- they know in their hearts how happy they would be if we were all incinerated in hellfire -- and then the UK Military Chief wants to see more Muslims in the service !?!

If I were a Muslim I'd read it twice. I'd have to say to myself -- "Hmmm.... they must be luring us in somehow -- this is simply going too well for our side to be real -- this can't be an honest report -- It must be a dreadful plot -- something to lure us in and then destroy us or something -- because SURELY, NO ONE would ask for more of us in his military after all the crap we've been up to! Don't they believe us when we tell them how much we hate them!? "

WOULD BE SO INSANE AS TO ALLOW MORE OF US INTO THE MILITARY AFTER ALL THE SHIT WE

Why didn't we think of this before?
The army could have hired Russians for the last 50 years.

"what was it like being Irish during the IRA London bombing campaign. Does anyone know?"

I'm not Irish but during that period lived next door to N Ireland Protestants (who were good neighbours and remain good friends) and worked with numerous Irish Catholics. It wasn't just London, during that period there were deaths in Warrington, Aldershot, Coventry, Guilford, to remember just a few. So far as I can recall their main attitude was worry and grief about their families at home (some of whom did die in Belfast and Omagh), anger at the violence, much the same as the rest of us. One Irish colleague marched with the Peace People, if you remember them. She had suffered injury in one of the London incidents in 1974. I was discussing this with another of those friends the other day, a Londoner of Irish Catholic background, that when anybody Irish condemned an incident I never doubted that he was genuine. There was no such notion of Taqiyya or Kitman, no howls of victimhood, no sense of a two faced conspiracy.
There were a few incidents of abuse and retaliation on a local level, but generally there was a feeling that we were all in it together. Because it wasn't an Irish plot for world domination. When we have our way you will drink Guiness and bow towards the Blarney stone seven times a day.

When we have our way you will drink Guiness and bow towards the Blarney stone seven times a day.

But would that be so very bad? It's like when Muslims go on about Jews wanting to rule the world. You'd just get a lot more jokes, bagels, bossy mothers, kvetching, schlepping and chutzpah. Beats stoning and flogging any day.

Anthony,

I don't have any relatives from Ireland within the last three generations.
I thought at the time when we were being bombed by the IRA that it was justifiable that an army recruiting officer should have asked such a question about Irish parentage.
I did not know many Irish people at the time, but I can't remember anyone on television or in the papers complaining about Irelandophobia.

As for any backlash, a only remember a few things such as when there was an explosion in a pub in Birmingham which killed some twenty people, there was a demonstration in that city with someone with a placard saying 'Paddy go home', and I knew an Irish railway worker who sometimes had to endure comments such as 'have you got a bomb in your bag today?'. But generally most English people were fond of the Irish, for your typical Irish person was and is friendly and warm, and the jokes that they made about them having funny ways of doing things were not malicious.

What woke me up to there being something sinister about Islam was the reaction of Muslims that I know to 9/11 compared to how Irish people reacted to the IRA terrorism. The typical two-part comments that Irish people would make when there was a bombing were on the lines of 'What a terrible thing, the people who did that are scum'. In contrast I never heard any Muslims in the week after September 11th I spoke to condemn those responsible.

Wait... we would get to dring Guinness 7 times a day? How many pints at a sitting?

Yes, we could do worse than Irish domination.

"I want to apologize for the attack that occurred. I felt that my life was in jeopardy, and I had no other options."
-- Sgt. Hasan Akbar of the 101st Airborne

Did he really feel that his life was in jeopardy? If so, why did he feel that way?

"Akbar's father, John Akbar, has said his son complained in vain to his superiors about religious and racial harassment before the attack. The defense never introduced any witnesses to testify about any such harassment."
-- FoxNews Report on Akbar's trial

Victimized by Islamophobia and racism in one fell swoop. But does that horrible suffering justify murder? And how come nobody would testify to Sgt. Akbar's suffering? And surely Moderate Moslem-boosters George and Condi would've pushed for a full-scale investigation.

"Akbar wrote in his diary in 1997, 'My life will not be complete unless America is destroyed.'"
-- Chief Prosecutor Lt. Colonel Michael Mulligan

Oh, so that explains why the Moslem solider tossed the grenades into the command tent. He wasn't lashing back at his tormenters, he was making a symbolic strike at the infidel command structure that had just landed on Arabian soil.

I shall write to General Sir Michael Walker who I have no doubt has engaged with the MCB, not with conspiratorial malice, but with the benign ignorance of the British about things 'foreign' until they are bitten on the feeding hand.The General is as unlikely to have any knowledge of Dhimmitude as he is to have a capacity for spontaneous rapping
He may however, from bitter experience, have learned the lesson that the majority of IRA men are psychopathic killers whose capacity for understanding more than the gratuitous infliction of pain is neglible.His military predecessors failed to defeat this most pernicious of enemies because they were not able to kill without mercy and in fact may have been unable to do so because of an inherent decency that proscribes such behaviour.To an enemy to whom such charity is anathema, this is of course quickly spotted as weakness. Plus ca change .The MCB will have seen the General not as an ambassador of good faith, but as a victim, just as the IRA played the British politicians until 9/11 laid their lies bare.
I never saw any animosity towards the Irish during the Troubles (except perhaps towards the egregious Ted Kennedy) because the British were able to recognise that the IRA thugs did not represent the Irish people. The problem we have with the Umma is that we have more than a suspicion that collective loyalties extend to each other at the expense, if needs be, of the rest of us.

Just wondering....Has General Walker met with Hindu groups in Britain to encourage their young men and women to sign up for military service? Also, I would assume that Gen. Walker, in accordance with political correctness, diversity, and recruitment goals, made a special appeal for women recruits when he spoke at the MCB meeting. Would I be wrong in that assumption?

Anyone wonder why Britian in not "Great anymore" Its people like General Michael Walker who are totally ignorant of what is happening in his own country to invite this savage enemy to join his force. Take a good example from Singapore where Mohommedians are not accepted in the services.

Lord, help the Brits,
they sure need it.

Teach existing soldiers Arabic. There are CD's in bookstores for this sort of thing. I'm sure this is all about the language barrier. The UK chain of command can't be that stupid, can they?

This is a quid pro quo where the dhimmis give on both sides:

“I would also like to emphasise my personal commitment to creating Armed Forces which reflect more fully the religious, cultural and ethnic diversity of the society we serve. In return we can offer fulfilling careers and high-quality training and education.”

The Brits will reflect Islam, and the Muslims will recieve "quality training and education" in the arts of Jihad, along with position to destroy the British military from the inside, should the Brits ever fight a war against Muslims.

Gorkhali,

Royal Military Academy, Sanhurst where the Gurkha regiments are based, is practically at a stones throw from my house. Oddly i've met a guy who claimed to be a Muslim Gurkha working as an Army cook! Maybe he was a recent "revert".

When I was at school, our history teacher asked us why we don't get coups d'état in Britain.
No one could think why, so he opined that it is because those sort of people are in power anyway, in that the military top brass are composed of your public school, aristocratic, and landed gentry types. They already enjoy and preserve their traditional wealth, privileges, lifestyles and social calendars.

However, with the ever increasing Islamification of the UK, there may come a time when they feel that all those things are threatened, and it is conceivable that there may come a time when army might stage a coup d'état.

I get the feeling that the main political parties think that the eventual Islamification of Britain is inevitable, so they are trying to preserve their own power as long as they can by currying favour with the Islamic community by helping this process, hoping that the Islamic community will be grateful for this.

Fearing the possibility of a coup d'état, the politicians will try and make this harder to happen by breaking up the solidarity of the army generals. A good way for the government to do this would be to get as many Muslims as possible in in the armed services.

Many thanks to Elephant, Granny and Dr D for your responses re the Irish - IRA bombings situation v. Muslim - Islamic bombings situation.

Food for thought for me.

Being Irish and having lived in Britain most of my life I cannot say anyone ever bothered me in the entire time of the IRA campaign.

We accepted as a matter of course that there were extra secruity checks on all routes to Ireland including filming all passengers. Also at the height of the trouble my brother and I caused a minor panic when we were about the only people going day trip ferry to France from a minor port very early one morning.

As to people of Irish background joining the forces, the Sunday Times reported that the IRA did send men the join the army for training so the checks were reasonable.

As a matter of interest I am no political pundit but 5 years ago I said to a friend, "I think there is something very nasty coming with the Muslims because the media are forever telling us what wonderful people they are. That is exactly what they were saying about the Irish in the 1960's and we now know the Government had been warned the IRA were tooling up and were desperate to be nice to them.

Dear Vikrant_Camberleykar,

Interesting you should say that. I know it has begun since 1990s after democracy was brought ot Nepal, immediately, Pakistanis began buying up citizenship from corrupt officials suddenly madarsas and mosques began to appear everywhere.

He is a recent convert or a Muslim claiming to be a Gurkha. In any case I wish I had met him, I would have kicked his ass right there for tarnishing the Gurkha name.

Anyways, the last time I was in Nepalgunj, I was shocked by the increase in Muslim population. It brings to mind a serious question, Nepal is one of the poorest countries in the world (although I am very proud and love it dearly but its a fact that it is a poor country). Since it is one of the poorest countries, then why would Muslims come and set up shop in Nepal by the thousands. Thank God the King took power back since the Nepal is going to hell, and the legacy of Gurkha Rule may be coming to an end due to the Muslims and Maoists. To top it off, we have enough traitors who have been bought off by Saudi money.

However, we do fear that Nepal's time is running out unless Britain, India, and the United States step in.

There is no such thing as a Gurkha Muslim, makes my blood boil. Did that bastard even know what the term "Gurkha" means?

Here is an article about who we are:

"Gurkhas claim descent from the Hindu Rajputs and Brahmins of Northern India, who entered modern Nepal from the west. They take their name from the warrior Hindu saint Guru Gorkhanath of the 8th century.

Guru Gorkhanath had a Rajput prince-disciple, the legendary Bappa Rawal, born Prince Kalbhoj, founder of the house of Mewar, who became the first Gurkhas, and is the ancestor of the present Royal family of Nepal.

Bappa Rawal was a teenager in hiding, when he came upon the warrior saint while on a hunting expedition with friends in the deserts of Rajasthan.

The legend states that Bapa Rawal chose to stay behind, and care for the warrior saint, who was in deep meditation. When Guru Gorkhanath awoke, he was pleased with the devotion of Bappa Rawal. The Guru gave him the Khukri sword, the famous curved dagger of the present day Gurkhas. The legend continues that he told Bappa that he and his people would henceforth be called Gurkhas, the disciples of the Guru Gorkhanath, and their bravery would become world famous. He then instructed Bappa Rawal, and his Gorkhas to stop the advance of the Muslim invaders, who were invading Afghanistan (which at that time was a Hindu/Buddhist nation), and converting the masses at the edge of the sword to their religion, slaughtering those who refused to convert and destroying many Hindu/Buddhist temples and shrines. Bappa Rawal took his Gurkhas and liberated Afghanistan - originally named Ghandhar, from which the present day Kandahar derives its name. He and his Gorkhas stopped the initial Islamic advance of the 8th century in the Indian subcontinent for the time being.

There are legends and historical accounts that Bappa Rawal (Kalbhoj) went further conquering Iran and Iraq before he retired as an ascetic at the feet of Mt. Meru, having conquered all invaders and enemies of his faith.

It is a misconception that the Gurkhas took their name from the Gorkha region of Nepal. The region was given its name after the Gurkhas had established their control of these areas. Gurkha (or Gorkha) take their name from the 8th century Hindu warrior-saint Guru Gorakhnath.

In the early 1500s some of Bappa Rawal's descendants went further east and conquered a small state in present-day Nepal, which they named Gorkha in honour of their patron saint. By 1769, through the leadership of Maharaj Dhiraj Prithvi Narayan Shahdev (1769-1775), the Gorkha dynasty had taken over the area of modern Nepal. They made Hinduism the state religion, although with distinct Rajput warrior and Gorkhanath influences.

In the Gurkha War (1814–1816) they waged war with the British East India Company army. The British were impressed by the Gurkha soldiers and began to regularly hire them as mercenaries organised into Gurkha regiments in the East India Company army, with the permission of then prime minister, Shree Teen (3) Maharja (Maharana) Jung Bahadur Rana, the first prime-minister and "Father" of modern Nepal.

The original Gurkhas who were descended from the Rajputs refused to enter as mere soldiers and were instead given positions as officers in the British-Indian armed forces. The Indo-Tibeto-Mongolian Gurkhas entered as soldiers. The Thakur/Rajput breed of Gurkhas were entered as officers, one of whom, (retired) General Narendra Bir Singh, Gurkha Rifles, rose to become aide-de-camp (A.D.C.) to Lord Mountbatten, the last Viceroy of India. After the British left India Gorkhalis continued seeking employment in British and Indian forces, as officers and soldiers. However, it should be noted that due to the mixing of blood over the centuries many Thakurs/Rajputs of Nepal may have Mongolian features and not appear Indian, while many Indo-Tibeto-Mongolian Gurkhas may have Rajput blood, an example of this being the surname Thapa.

Under international law present-day British Gurkhas are not treated as mercenaries but are fully integrated soldiers of the British Army, operate in formed units of the Brigade of Gurkhas, and abide by the rules and regulations under which all British soldiers serve. Similar rules apply for Gurkhas serving in the Indian Army."

-Cheers

Ayo Gorkhali!