Yes, of course they will lay down their arms when called upon to do so by the international community. From Reuters:
GAZA (Reuters) - Hamas and Fatah gunmen exchanged fire on Friday in political turmoil as the long-dominant Fatah faction was threatened with a violent backlash from within after its crushing election defeat by the Islamic militant group....Some 20,000 Fatah supporters took the streets in angry protests across the Gaza Strip, burning cars outside the Palestinian parliament building and firing rifles in the air. Some Hamas posters were ripped down by the crowd, which burned tires in the streets....
The militant al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, part of Fatah, issued a statement threatening to "liquidate" the faction's leaders if they changed their minds and joined a Hamas-led administration.
At separate rallies, thousands of Hamas backers celebrated their surprise victory....
In the first armed clash between Hamas and Fatah militants since Wednesday's vote, three people were wounded in a gun battle near the southern city of Khan Younis.
Witnesses said the violence erupted after Hamas militants were angered by a sermon by a Fatah-appointed Muslim preacher during Friday prayers.
In a later flare up, Hamas gunmen and Palestinian security forces exchanged fire in Khan Younis. A Hamas gunmen and two security officers were wounded in the clash and underscored the difficulties ahead.
With Middle East peace talks frozen since 2000, Israel ruled out negotiations with any Palestinian administration involving Hamas, which is sworn to Israel's destruction and has been behind dozens of suicide bombings.
No mention by Reuters of the fact that Hamas has also ruled out negotiations.
Meanwhile, the jizya may stop:
At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Israel threw into doubt its willingness to continue the transfer of monthly customs revenues totaling tens of millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority. The money is needed to help pay salaries for 135,000 government employees.Compounding the Palestinian Authority's worries, the United States said it will review "all aspects" of its aid programs to the Palestinians if Hamas is in the government.
"To be very clear, we do not provide money to terrorist organizations," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.
DIVIDED OPINION
An opinion poll in Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper showed 48 percent of Israelis favored talking to a Hamas-led Palestinian government, while 43 percent were opposed.
Calls to open talks will grow. They are suicidal. A group that believes this is only interested in talking for the advantage they can gain over their enemy from such talks.
Israel holds a general election on March 28 and interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, whose centrist Kadima party is the front-runner, has hinted at unilateral moves to set a border with the Palestinians on Israeli terms.Israel has already pulled its settlers out of the Gaza Strip without negotiations, citing the current Palestinian government's failure to rein in militants....
Hah? So Israel has acted unilaterally by withdrawing from Gaza? By leaving? This was an aggressive move to set the border on Israeli terms? This is something to blame Israel for, as if it were some kind of provocation of the Palestinians? What are they smoking at Al-Reuters?
Hamas's capture of 76 seats in the 132-member parliament -- against 43 for Fatah -- was widely seen as a political earthquake in the Middle East, triggered by voter anger at Fatah over corruption and the failure of peace efforts.
Did you catch that? Reuters would have us believe that Palestinians voted for Hamas because they were frustrated at the failure of peace efforts. Sure. They wanted peace, so they voted for Hamas. And when I want to see something, I cover my eyes with thick wool.
Hamas has mostly respected a truce for nearly a year, but says it will not give up its guns or its charter demand for an Islamic state to encompass Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.
"Hamas has mostly respected a truce for nearly a year"
Ted Bundy was mostly not a serial killer, except when he was.
Reuters stinks.
"The militant al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, part of Fatah, issued a statement threatening to "liquidate" the faction's leaders if they changed their minds and joined a Hamas-led administration."
Turning inward...........a good sign.
Question: how do you have a civil war when you dont have a real country. I guess this is what you expect when you try to pack a bunch of bedouins in a territory with semi-fixed borders. You get a version of "last man standing" takes all.
Lets hope this goes on for a long time, as it is better than an elevated cage match from WWF wrestling.
When they start picking up the killing spree among themselves, please America and EU, do not interfere.
Condi is the worse Secretary of State. She STILL believes terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic for all of us. Here's a clue Condi: Terrorism is Islam.
If payments to Palestine stop, that will be a positive result. Then we need to stop payments to the rest of the Middle East. The money can be dedicated, instead, to exploiting solar power.
Hamas Chronology of terrorist attacks;
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3
Why the hell was anyone outside of the Muslim world sending these imbeciles infidel money in the first place?
Doesn't Saudi Arabia have it coming out the wazoo enough to fund Islamic Terrorism themselves?
End what should never have begun!
(Which goes for Islam as well.)
funky link above.. Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by Hamas Since September 2000
Sunday, 18 April, 2004
Background Information
Attributed to "security sources" [Provided by the IDF Spokesperson]
Since the beginning of the current conflict, the Hamas terrorist
organization is responsible for carrying out 425 various terrorist attacks
which resulted in the killing of 377 and wounding of 2,076 Israeli citizens
and soldiers.
The Hamas organization has carried out 53 suicide attacks, killing 289
Israelis and injuring 1,649.
A Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by the Hamas Since September
2000:
April 17,2004 - A border policeman killed, an Israeli civilian injured,
and two border policemen injured, when a suicide bomber exploded himself at
the workers terminal crossing at the Erez industrial area.
March 14, 2004 - Two suicide bombers detonated an explosive belt and an
explosive bag at the Ashdod port. Ten Israelis were killed and 12 injured.
March 6, 2004 - Suicide bombers traveling in three vehicles drove into the
Erez crossing, and detonated two car bombs at Palestinian checkpoints, while
firing at the Israeli checkpoint. Two Palestinian policemen were killed.
Jan. 29, 2004 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on a
No. 19 bus line on Aza Street in Jerusalem. Ten Israelis and one foreigner
were killed and 44 were injured.
Jan. 14, 2004 - A female suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
herself at the workers terminal in the Erez crossing, resulting in the death
of four Israelis and the injury of five.
Sept. 9, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at the
entrance of the "Hillel Café" in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were killed and
70 injured.
Sept. 9 , 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at a bus
stop near the IDF "Tzrifin" Base. Nine IDF soldiers were killed and 10 were
injured.
Aug. 19, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
on a No. 2 bus line in Jerusalem, resulting in the death of 23 Israelis and
the injury of 115.
Aug. 12, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
near a bus stop at the entrance to Ariel. Two Israelis were killed and two
others injured.
June 11, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
on the No. 14 bus line in Jerusalem. Seventeen Israelis were killed and 104
were injured.
May 19, 2003 - A Hamas terrorist on a bicycle blew himself up next to a
military jeep in Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. Three IDF soldiers were
wounded.
May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber, with a bag filled with explosives blew
himself up near the A-Ram Junction in Jerusalem.
May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt, detonated himself
on a bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were
killed and 20 were wounded.
May 17, 2003 - A suicide bomber dressed as a religious Jew, and wearing an
explosive belt, blew himself up in Hebron's Gross Square, killing two
Israeli civilians.
April 30, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt at the
entrance to the "Mike's Place" pub on the Tel Aviv boardwalk. An additional
suicide bomber hurled an explosive device nearby. Three Israeli civilians
were killed and 62 were wounded.
April 15, 2003 - Two Israeli civilians were killed and three were injured
when a terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifles, grenades and an
explosive belt penetrated the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip fired and
hurled grenades. The terrorist was shot and killed.
March 5, 2003 - A suicide bomber blew himself up on the No. 37 bus line in
Haifa. Seventeen Israeli civilians were killed, and 42 were wounded.
Jan. 17, 2003 - A raft laden with explosives and guided by a suicide bomber,
exploded after Israeli Navy ships fired at the craft, four kilometers from
Dugit, in the northern Gaza Strip.
Nov. 21, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt on the No. 20
bus line in Jerusalem. Eleven Israelis were killed, and 50 were wounded.
Oct. 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
himself, despite being shot, at the gas station near the entrance to the
city of Ariel. Three Israeli civilians were killed, and 17 were wounded.
Oct. 11, 2002 - A suicide bomber is arrested at the entrance to a café
before he could detonate his explosive belt.
Oct. 10, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
near a bus stop at the Bar Ilan Bridge in Ramat Gan. An Israeli civilian was
killed, and 20 were wounded.
Sept. 19, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on
the No. 4 bus line on Allenby Street in Tel Aviv, in which six Israelis were
killed and 66 were injured.
Aug. 4, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
his body on a bus traveling near Mt. Meron in northern Israel. Nine Israeli
civilians were killed, and 48 wounded.
June 18, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosives-laden bag on a bus
traveling along Dov-Yosef Street in Jerusalem. Nineteen civilians were
killed, and 50 wounded.
May 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt and an additional
explosive device in a bag, at a club in Rishon Letzion. Sixteen Israeli
civilians were killed, and 51 were wounded.
March 31, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the "Matzah"
restaurant in Haifa. Fifteen Israeli civilians were killed and 31 were
wounded.
March 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber blew himself up with an explosive belt in
the Park Hotel in Netanya. Thirty Israeli civilians were killed and 144 were
wounded.
March 9, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
his body at the entrance of the "Moment Café" in Jerusalem. Eleven Israeli
civilians were killed and 58 were wounded.
March 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive device
strapped to his back in the "Kafit Café" in Jerusalem. Nobody was injured.
Feb. 6, 2002 - A suicide bomber boarded a bus traveling between the city of
Maale Adumim and Jerusalem, and attempted to detonate an explosive belt.
Dec. 12, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonate explosive devices next to
Israeli vehicles in the area of Ganei Tal in the Gaza Strip, while an
additional explosive device is detonated near another Israeli vehicle. Three
Israeli civilians were injured.
Dec. 2, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device concealed
under a coat on a bus near Yad L'banim in Haifa. Fifteen civilians were
killed and 35 wounded.
Dec. 1, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonated explosive devices concealed in
bags on Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem. Immediately following, a car bomb
exploded nearby. Eleven civilians were killed and 170 wounded.
Nov. 26, 2001 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
at the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip. Two policemen were wounded.
Nov. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself in the area of Bakah Al
Sharkiah, during an attempt to arrest him while on his way to enter Israel.
Two IDF soldiers were wounded.
Sept. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
his body at the Nahariya train station. An Israeli civilian and two soldiers
were killed and 46 were wounded.
Sept. 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
his body on Nevi'im Street in Jerusalem. Thirteen Israeli civilians were
wounded.
Aug. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up at the Sbarro restaurant in
Jerusalem. Fifteen Israelis were killed and 110 wounded.
Aug. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb next to the Bekaot
checkpoint in the West Bank. An IDF soldier was injured.
July 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near an IDF vehicle in
the area of Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip, resulting in the injury of an IDF
soldier.
June 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near IDF forces in
Alei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and another
soldier was wounded.
June 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the entrance to the
"Dolphinarium" club in Tel Aviv. Twenty-two Israeli civilians were killed,
and 83 were wounded.
May 29, 2001 - Two terrorists approached an IDF position at the "Tofah"
Junction in the Gaza Strip. One terrorist detonated an explosive device
strapped to his body, and the other hurled grenades and opened fire. Two IDF
soldiers were wounded.
May 25, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a container filled with 48 kg. of
explosives and three gas balloons at the Netzarim Junction in the Gaza
Strip.
May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
his body at the entrance to a mall in Netanya. Five Israeli civilians were
killed, and 86 were wounded.
April 29, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near a bus carrying
children at the Dir Sharif Junction.
April 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself near a bus stop in the
city of Kfar Saba. An Israeli was killed and 45 were wounded.
March 28, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up near a gas station at the
Neveh Yamin/Kfar Saba Junction. Two Israeli civilians were killed, and four
were wounded.
March 27, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive strapped to his
body, near an Israeli bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem.
Twenty-one Israeli civilians were wounded.
March 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a case laden with explosives on
the main street of Netanya. Three Israelis were killed and 53 injured.
March 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up while in a taxi, near the
Me Ami Junction. An Israeli civilian was killed, and 10 were wounded.
Jan. 1, 2003 - A car bomb exploded in Netanya. Thirty-five Israeli civilians
were wounded.
Dec. 22, 2000 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
at the entrance to a restaurant in the Jordan Valley, resulting in the
injury of three IDF soldiers.
Dec. 15, 2000 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive belt
near Israeli security forces close to the Erez crossing. The suicide bomber
also attempted to stab Israeli security personnel.
Nov. 6, 2000 - A booby-trapped raft exploded close to an Israeli Navy
"Dabur," near the Israel-Egypt border in Rafah. Hamas publicly claimed
responsibility for it
They are however committed to a PIECE process - a piece of Hebron, a piece of Shechem, a piece of the West Bank, a piece of the Negev, a piece of Jerusalem, etc.
The more the Muslims fight between themselves, the less time they have to fight with the rest of the world.
We need to help them with their civil way by sending them all of the ammo they need to fight each other.
They will soon kill enough of each other that one group will take over and start their attacks against Israel again.
What is this truce by Hamas? It is astounding how well Muslims can lie and then do just the opposite of what they said they weren't doing.
If the actions of Msulims and Islam weren't so unacceptable, this would be more entertaining than public tv.
The Texican
HORRIFYING STATEMENT ON HAMAS MILITARY WING WEB SITES
By Jeremy Reynalds (01/27/06)
"We will Continue Fighting Zionists until either the Last Drop of our Blood or the End of Zionist Occupation. It is Jihad to Victory or Martyrdom."
A recent headline on a major news site read, "Hamas victory legitimizes party in Palestine."
But does the installation into power of a radical Islamic terrorist organization with an avowed agenda of extinguishing Israel legitimize the group? Many people say "no."
While some people may say that Hamas will change, a look at its cyber home would seem to indicate otherwise.
The web site is still on line for all to see, touting radical Islamic rhetoric. With such an election shocker, if there was an impending change of philosophy, it would seem that now would be the time to make it clear.
Here are some examples from past and present web sites of the Al Qassam Brigades – the military wing of the Hamas.
A Sept. 27 2005 statement on www.alqassam.com read in part, "The ‘Prisoners Liberation Unit' in Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades announced its responsibility for kidnaping the Israeli General Security Service (Shin Bet) Agent Nuriel Sasson. He was a settler in occupied Al-Quds ... The ‘Prisoners Liberation Unit' kidnaped the 50-years old agent ... The Unit had planned to hold the agent and exchange him for Palestinian prisoners. But in light of the occupations campaign of massive arbitrary arrests, the Unit decided to kill the agent."
The statement continued. "Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades affirms that this is the first step towards liberating the Palestinian prisoners from occupation jails. And Al-Qassam Brigades stress the following points.
"To our prisoners, we state our determination to release all prisoners; and "God-willing" this operation is only a first step. We gave the enemy a chance to release the Palestinian prisoners during the cease fire.
However, they maintained their arrogance and arrested more Palestinians. We hold the occupation's government headed by the war criminal Sharon for the developments (responsible) regarding the kidnaping operations ... Finally, the enemy should prepare for a long battle where, "God-willing" they will pay a heavy price. The Zionists settlers and soldiers will not rest or feel secure on our occupied land till the full restoration of Palestinian rights."
A statement issued in late 2004 on www.alqassam.com read in part, "By the support and grace of Allah, the enemy admitted today that there were six Zionists injured two of them were in a serious condition by the mortar that was fired by the hands of the Qassamy Soldiers ... "
Many statements on the Al Qassam site end with this statement.
"We will continue fighting Zionists until either the last drop of our blood or the end of Zionist occupation. It is Jihad to Victory or Martyrdom."
However, some of the most chilling statements from Hamas were found on a now defunct Al Qassam site back in 2002. It was headlined "A call for donation from Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes" and addressed to "Muslim brothers all over the world."
Because of its ongoing anti-Semitism, there is no reason to believe the Hamas leadership feel any different about Israel, or the Jews than they did back in 2002. As such I have reproduced the chilling call for donations mostly in entirety.
It reads,
"At the time that the land of ‘Al-Isra' and Al-Mi'raj (Prophet's miraculous Night Journey to Jerusalem and Ascension to the heavens), land of Jihad and determination is being exposed to the most cruel massacres with the hands of the occupying Zionists, the vilest and most low-down creatures, supported by weapons and money from all the plotters against the case of all Muslims and Arabs: Palestine.
"Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes, your own defending phalanxes, the military wing of Hamas movement in Palestine, is calling upon you to donate with what you can to assist the cause of Jihad and resistance until the occupation is eliminated and every span of the Muslim Palestine is liberated.
"While Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes is calling upon you for donation, we put between your hands some of the difficulties that your mujahideen brothers are facing to get the equipments and logistics.
"The price of Kalashnicov bullet is $3 and the price of the Kalashnicov gun itself now is $2,000 and it was $3,500 couple of months ago, and do you know that the the price of R-B-G is $12,000 and the price of T.N.T that's used by your mujahideen brothers is $100 a kilo, also Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes now manufactures Al-Qassam land-to-land missiles in different sizes and also the anti-shields Al-Banna bomber, Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes also supervises the development of fighting, defensive and attacking weapons and other much projects mustn't be elaborated for confidentiality purposes.
"Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes after getting you informed of what Palestine is facing, we call upon all Muslims all over the world to give a hand to their mujahideen brothers in Palestine who sacrifice their bloods and persons for your dignity and guard the front line to defend the Arab and Muslim Ummah.
"With Allah's support, Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes managed, through its Mujahedeen operations, to kill 65 percent of what has been killed of Zionists since the start of the intifada (uprise) of Al-Aqsa.
"My Mujahideen brothers all over the world, Now you can equip a mujahid, Now you can contribute to building a strong Islamic army. Thousands and thousands of mujahid youth in Palestine long for carrying any kind of weapons to defend the Ummah's dignity, but no one is giving a hand.
Now you can contribute in providing weapons to the mujahideen whose ammunition run out while facing the Zionists.
Hundreds of men sold the jewelry of their wives and sisters to equip as many fighters as possible to defend your honor and dignity.
"My mujahideen brothers ... you'll have no excuse in front of Allah, So contribute with what you can. Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes is calling upon the righteous people from the Arab and Muslim Ummah to collect donations in Mosques, and from those who are financially able to donate, then send these donations to the mujahideen in Palestine.
Dear donator brother, send us at the e-mail available at Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes's web site and send us a fake name and the amount that you want to donate and we will secure handing this money to the mujahideen. And may Allah bless you
"Your brothers, Martyr Izz el-Deen el-Qassam Phalanxes. The military wing of Hamas movement- Palestine."
*Ed: Views are those of individual authors and not necessarily those of American Daily.
former loser president Carter still wants to give hammas money, thinkgs they are okay since they are not corrupt.. well the west should tell hammas to get their money from iran and the saudis! lets see the money flow the other way for once!
... more entertaining than public tv. - Posted by Texican
Howdy, neighbor. Either your PBS affiliate shows car chases, explosions, hilarious Nova bloopers, and steamy, banned episodes of Masterpiece Theater (with the famous theme funkified with wah-wah guitar), or our definitions of "entertaining" differ substantially. ;)
Seriously, though, the Palestinians probably have enough ammo already stockpiled to give every man, woman and child a full magazine for the firearm of their choice, and surely more coming in from Iran-- remember when the PA was embarrassed by the discovery of that huge shipment from Iran coming in through the Red Sea? One has to wonder how many of those weren't intercepted.
No need to give them superior Western armaments-- let them use up their locally manufactured crap.
Call me crazy or a wishful thinker but I believe Western civilization is truly waking up to the threat that Islam has to the Western world. With the Hamas victory, the moron in Iran and his nuclear ambitions, unrest in France, and other Islamo deeds in Europe, I'd say it is about time. Just as the Crusades were the Christian response to stop the bloody conquests of Islam centuries ago I believe the era of the modern day Crusades is about to begin. About time. I've been ready for this day since the Iran hostages and we had a pimple on the ass President who did nothing. Time to kick ass first and ask questions later.
"To be very clear, we do not provide money to terrorist organizations," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack."
Thats clear enough for me Sean. Guess all those billions to PA and Fatah dont count. Yasser got lots of bucks from Sean.
I bet Abbas has a wopping bank account in Switzerland or somewhere. Sean probably gave him that also.
Robert:Did you catch that? Reuters would have us believe that Palestinians voted for Hamas because they were frustrated at the failure of peace efforts.
That reminds me of the book 1984. The Ministry of Peace wages war.
Our jizya in the form of aid MUST END NOW!!! It is obvious to all us readers of JW/DW, but not to our government officials who cannot or will not take the time to learn about Islam. The victory by Hamas gives everyone the perfect opportunity to write to your congressmen and women to tell them to stay true to not funding ANY terrorist organization. Tell them to immediately move to end ALL funds to "Palestine" and that you DO NOT support your tax dollars going to Hamas. I've just done so. Start with Palestine and maybe, just maybe, We, the People can end our entire jizya to the ummah.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/
Now, watch the hands of your politicians extremely carefully. What will happen next is the oldest "smoke and mirrors trick" in the book (indeed, it probably pre-dates books) and it uses good old-fashioned sleight-of-hand.
Throughout the institutions of Government of the USA and the EU (and many of its constituent nations) a very large number of important politicians are saying that they will not continue to fund a Palestinian Authority run by a terrorist organisation. We who post on JW, and presumably the JW staff, are all cheering these statements like crazy and hoping that they all mean it; as the days go by we will find out that most of our politicians do mean it and we will be heartened by this.
Moves will be made in the Capitals of all our Nations in the next few days to suspend funding immediately, and that is precisely what will happen. There will be much discussion in the media and much cheering from us.
The discussion and the cheering will die down and our attention will move on to the next important topic of debate. After a few weeks the greatest magic trick on earth will begin.
First, organisations LIKE the Centers for Disease Control, or Medicins sans Frontiers, or the World Health Organisation, for instance, will ask for waivers so that their programmes inside Palestine can continue - because the programmes benefit everyone on earth not just the Palestinians. These waivers for transferring funds will be granted. Everyone will be warned that there will be no further waivers. A few weeks later some charity or other will apply for a similar waiver because its work is essential and non-political. A waiver will be granted. Week by week more and more waivers will be granted until the funding reaching Palestine exceeds the amount that is given now.
Since almost every organisation that obtains a waiver will have to work with the Palestinian Authority then, effectively, that Authority will have its budget returned to it - and more. No corruption will be involved but all the organisations will have to pay the Authority for some sort of licence(s) or permit(s), or some such legal tool(s), so the Authority will also have direct access to ready cash.
In the end, about eighteen months from now, more western taxpayers money will be flowing into Palestine than currently finds its way there through grant-in-aid programmes today, and, what is more, it will be even more difficult to pinpoint and audit than it is today, spread, as it will be, across many organisations. However, you will note that our politicians (and Civil Servants) will still be able to say that the West is not funding a terrorist Authority but are issuing waivers for humanitarian reasons.
Within one year of this state of affairs coming to pass full funding will be restored to the Palestinian Authority in order to try to rationalise the situation. Waivers for the transfer of funds will become licences issued by Western Governments and we will all be told that the licencing system will be phased out and no public money will go down that route any more. This will not happen, of course. Public money will continue to go down that route. After about another year the licencing system will be quietly abandoned. Any organisation that is publicly funded will be free once more to transfer funds into Palestine. At this point many more than today will be doing so and they will carry on doing so.
The end result is that in about four years the funds available to the Palestinian Authority, no matter which party controls it, will have increased threefold - and most of the money will be coming from the taxpayer in the liberal, secular democracies of the West.
You don't believe me? Then check what is happening regarding the funding of Burma, Somalia, North Korea and the Sudan, to name but a few, and then tell me it will never happen that way.
The trick, of course, is that the media will simply just ignore the whole thing because not one tiny step in the process will really be newsworthy. The entire issue will simply become invisible. Now that's magic!
No need to give them superior Western armaments-- let them use up their locally manufactured crap.
Posted by: Shinoliite
Hey Shinoliite:
A better option is to provide Hamas ammo that dosen't work or that explodes in their weapons.
The Texican.
"Condi is the worse Secretary of State. She STILL believes terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic for all of us. Here's a clue Condi: Terrorism is Islam."
Actually it is funny, the nations effected by terrorism the most just hear her say what they want to hear, for example I know an Israeli who just doesn't listen to or read her speeches, and my nieghbour turns mute on during the time she usually talks about Islam is a peaceful religion.
Also one thing you guys have all forgotten is that it is infact Israel that is fighting the war against the Dhimmification of Europe which you all dearly want, and that the way it does that is by things like the Gaza Withdrawal. You guys are all not factoring Europe into the equation, yet that is exactly were the withdrawal was a smashing success. While Europe is still dhimmified now, it is significantly less dhimmified then it was before the Gaza withdrawal.
Not factoring in Israel's recent attempts to ressurect Western Europe to wether an Israeli move was a victory or not is like not factoring in the Airforce in measuring a military's strength. The only problem is Israel has to balance saving Europe from Islamist Propaganda with saving itself, and hence the reason why Kadima is only planning to withdraw to defencible rather then 1967 borders.
...and the brick wall rises. Soon, every son and daughter of the mujahideen will heed the call to arms and start killing each other. They however will not have a clue as to why they are doing it except that the Quran or something says so, but who the hell cares...ITS FUN!!!
Sit back, relax, and get the popcorn ready...ITS SHOWTIME FOLKS!!!
I think this time Hamas bit off a little more than it can chew...Democracy for us non-muslims does have its' rewards.
Yasser Arafat must be rolling over in hell
LOL muslims...bunch of jokers
"Someone oughta blow this shit to Timbuktu."
"Why bother? They all kill each other anyhow. It's like a self-cleaning oven."
--Clockers, Spike Lee, 1995
Now, why did I sign in. Just a minute ... oh yes,
I was going to say something to NicephorusPhocas about his sparkling and erudite assessment of Europe. However, I re-read his posting and thought to myself 'Why bother?' After all, shooting fish in a barrel really isn't my idea of sport.
Shunkleash -
"Democracy for us non-muslims does have its' [sic] rewards."
"...its'..."
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
If the election of Hamas means an end of "aid" to the so-called Palestinian people I'm all for it.Supposedly the PA will be bankrupt within a month if aid is removed, which does not bother me one bit.I watched Special Report today with a lively discussion about the end of US aid to the PA.Juan Williams felt the end of aid would be a bad thing because the slack could be taken up by Iran. But others pointed out how Iran is hardly an economic powerhouse, I also doubt Iran wants to be saddled with feeding the Palestinians.Others on the panel pointed out that the Arabs could step in an replace the aid that would be lost from the US and EU.The West gains nothing from giving aid to the so-called Palestinians so why continue?As aid increases terrorisim, violence and hate also increase.Let Arabs and Muslims take over the care and feeding of the so-called Palestinians. Time to put up or shut up and the let Muslims show how much they really love their Muslim brothers.Bleeding heart non-Muslims can show their support for "Palestine" by donating to Muslim or non-Muslim charities.Time to cut the so-called Palestinians loose from the US taxpayer and the sooner the better.
I guess democracy isnt all it is cracked up to be when you have an electorate that acts like it is on crack. At least we know that the elections were fraud-free as endorsed and attested to by Jimmy (the Habitate for Humanity) Carter.
I fully expect that when the first Palestinian Parlament meets that they will take a page out Saddam's book and take the opposition out back and shoot all of them. I would not want to be in the Fatah Party. I think I would call in sick on the first day.
From LGF,
It's in the koran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQc2y3BR30
I used to be like some of the posters here, thinking, "Wow, this time it is so obvious, they [the MSM, our political leaders] are finally going to catch on".
This time, Hamas got the vast majority of "Palestinian" votes. Hamas is an obvious undeniable terrorist organization, right? Which means that the "Palestinians" are not as peaceful as we have been told, right?
Well... We've already heard some of the early attempts to fit this new data into the old model. Today I heard that Hamas has the legitimacy in the Arab world to deal diplomatically with Israel. Kind of like Nixon going to China. Exactly because Hamas is so radical and violent and hardline, they are the only ones who could negotiate with Israel and not lose the support of the Arab man on the street. So, now the Middle East Experts (tm) are expecting peace to break out all over in the Middle East.
This convoluted logic would be funny, if it weren't so tragic and terrifying.
Hamas has done the world a favor already. Millions of liberally inclined people, the kind who would reflexively think that each side was no more or no less wrong, have read these words, as quoted in the Hamas charter. Millions of people who would never read a right leaning blog or or site they assume is 'Islamophobe':
The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him...’
Joy! An old fahioned car burning! Oh that takes me back, when Nasir and I became strong enough to throw the REALLY BIG rocks at the Israeli tanks. We could sniff the flames from the burning vinyl and walk around for days like we were drunk and blind!
Of course, we don't have as many cars as those lucky parisians, but we have always learned to be happy with less.
(In an unrelated story, Ford stock rebounded 4% on news of higher demand from arab countries....in development)
Anybody remember the Otis Redding song "Fa- fa -fa -fa -Fatah Fatwah "?
I wonder how Natan Sharansky feels today?
The Case for Democracy: The Power of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny and Terror by Natan Sharansky.
The following question is probably more suited to dhimmiwatch but did any other Australian posters see the ABC news tonight ? ( the ABC being the antipodean dhimmi sisters to the BBC )
I dont think they made any mention of the fighting in Gaza between Hamas and Fatah (??!!)
Admittedly I was cooking dinner at the time and may have missed it , however it seemed like they just thought it wasn't newsworthy or more likely, if the truth got out it would not gel with their pro -pali views.
If so this amounts to PC censorship.
By comparison the multicultural chanel SBS news had 1/2 its bulletin devoted to palis running amok bopping each other and poking each other in the eye Three Stooges style. Very amusing.
Curly, Larry and...
Mo !
How do you feel about the Hamas-Fatah internecine warfare? Good, bad, indifferent? Would you like to see such warfare extended? Do you think the spectacle would help Infidels come to see the world of Islam in a more accurate light? Do you think intra-Islamic fighting helps or hinders Infidels?
See Iran-Iraq War. See proxy war in Yemen between Saudi Arabia and Nasser's Egypt. See fighting between Morocco and Algeria. See warfare between F.I.S. and government within Algeria. See Qaddafy's threats against Egypt, and expulsions of Egyptians. See Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, and threats to Saudi Arabia. See Sunni Arabs in Ahwaz menacing their Iranian Shi'a masters. See the discontent among the Shi'a in al-Hasa province of Saudi Arabia, where all the oil is. See the Saudi support for the Dhofar rebellion in Oman. See the Saudi demands on Abu Dhabi for possession of the Buraimi Oasis. See....
Want that Fatah-Hamas fighting to go on a bit longer? You do? Then why do you think the United States government should be making every effort, spending hundreds of billions, tying up its army, degrading its equipment, in Iraq at this point? Why should it not be removing itself, in a grim spirit of "a plague on all your houses" and "let the games begin." What harm for Infidels? The oil will flow; it flowed in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war.
And even if it didn't, so what? We need the price of oil to be high. We need the government to move heaven and earth to get off oil, and apparently it is incapable of doing so unless shocked into action.
Nothing but good can come to Infidels, and nothing but bad can come to the cohesion of Islam, from an American withdrawal, starting right now and not stopping for anyting, from the tarbaby - or tar pits -- of Iraq.
The lighter side of the Palestinian election, as only National Nitwit can provide.
These are obviously dissafected young people who are crying out for better jobs, housing and more affordable day care.
Hugh's examples of muslim 'in fighting', makes me wonder who, what, will come out on top. I think imploding, and rubbing each other out, is good for Islam. A great catharsis, gets rid of the trash and debris.
There's lots of that. The snake eating its tail, indicates a vanishing point. Enough rubbing out, and the snake will disappear, into the abyss from where it came. Rubber erasers should be the symbol of a vanishing Islam. Every muslim should have several so that they can 'rub' each other out. A good idea would be to send millions of rubber erasers, by UPS, to Iran and Gaza. A well armed terrorist always has his rubber eraser within reach...just in case the need arises...
Can somebody give me a "scorecard"? That is a list of all the armed groups in "Palestine". This way I can know the differences between Force 17, tanzim, etc.