Once again, Muslim-on-Muslim violence provokes a backlash among Muslims. I am glad to see anything that diminishes Al-Qaeda's power in Iraq -- but until we begin to see the same kind of indignation among Muslims when Muslims kill non-Muslims, we will not be out of the woods. From Reuters, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
BAGHDAD: Iraqi insurgents in the Sunni city of Ramadi have turned against their al-Qa'ida allies after a bomb attack killed 80 people, sparking tit-for-tat assassinations.Residents yesterday said at least three prominent figures on both sides were among those killed after local insurgent groups formed an alliance against al-Qa'ida, blaming it for massacring police recruits in Ramadi on January 5.
"There was a meeting right after the bombings," one Ramadi resident said, speaking anonymously for fear of reprisals.
"Tribal leaders and political figures gathered to form the Anbar Revolutionaries to fight al-Qa'ida in Anbar and force them to leave the province.
"Since then, there has been all-out war between them."
The bloodshed is the latest example of a trend US military commanders and diplomats have been pointing to optimistically as a sign that some militants may be ready to pursue negotiable demands through the Sunni engagement in parliament following last month's election.
Last week, three local Islamist groups around Ramadi - the 1920 Brigades, the Mujaheddin Army and the Islamic Movement for Iraq's Mujaheddin - met to distance themselves from their fellow Islamists in al-Qa'ida.
Iraqi newspapers quoted a statement from six armed groups on Monday announcing they had united to form the "People's Cell" to confront al-Qa'ida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and preserve security in the Anbar province.
The statement condemned "armed operations which target innocents" and affirmed "a halt to co-operation with al-Qa'ida"....
The brave recognition by some Americans that perhaps "peace" among various Muslim groups is not always a good thing for Infidels, though such lying-of-lions-down-with-other-lions appears to be the main justification at this point for the Americans to remain clinging to the tarbaby o firaq, that the kind of infighting described above is just the sort of thing one wants to see as a result of Al-Qaeda's own doing, and is itself a good sign. If this kind of internecine warfare in the Sunni isosceles triangle is recognized as useful to the task of putting "Iraq" together then, once the American task is recognized as that of not putting "Iraq" together again (there never was an "Iraq" to put together), but rather permitting those fissures, ethnic and sectarian, to divide and demoralize the forces of Islam both inside and outside Iraq, then shouldn't we bravely recognize this, by leaving, now that there are no more special votes to be held, or identifiable "benchmarks" to be reached, and waving goodbye, and wishing everyone, as exuberantly and phonily as possible, well? The first quasi-bold step has been taken: recognizing that Sunni-on-Sunni violence is not to be contained, nor deplored.
Or does the pluck stop here?
Years ago my kid's elementary school teacher moved to Taliban controlled Afghanistan after her daughter married an Afghani. She sent distressing emails to all her friends, about what it was like to be a anglo christian US citizen in a radical muslim country. She may be one of the bravest people that I have ever known. Much of it related to her family and christian afghani's she knew hiding their bibles from the local Taliban who's main role in life was to harrass them. It was a deadly game of keystone cops, as the local Taliban, while obnoxious, never followed up on their threats of violence. However, in the last few months, before she fled she reported that there were a lot of foreign mercenaries showing up. The local citizens would see those people and would recognize them as outsiders. She stated that they were from Yeman, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, to name a few. Everyone knew that they were evil and tried to give them a wide bearth. The local citizens quietly expressed displeasure that outsiders were pursuing jihad in their country and were hijacking the Taliban. But, it being Afghanistan, they didnt raise up arms to expel those foreigners. Those outsiders were Al Queda.
As to the article above, it is good to see that the locals have taken up arms against the foreign interests. This may mean that Al Queda recruited, foreign mercenaries may be wearing out their welcome. If nothing Arab countries are tribal in nature. The in-fighting may give Iraq the time needed for nation building. We may not like the Shiite democracy that results, but at least it will be Iraqi and not an Al Queda or Irani controlled state.
Sounds much like the factions within the Palestinian Authority. Look at the great results Israel has with this. So I don't expect much from this Iraqi interpretation either.
januaryman:
a wait-and-see position is a reasonable one, but Iraq isn't exactly analogous to "Palestine" where the unifying goal is to irradicate Israel and only difference being approach. Here we have some outsiders like Zawahiri, bin Laden and al-Zarqawi trying to impose their notion of the Caliphate on the Iraqis under the guise of driving out the occupation.
From www.cancer.about.com
What is cancer?
A complex group of diseases that can affect almost any organ in the body.
How does cancer develop?
Our organs are made up of cells. Cells divide and multiply as the body needs them.When cells continue multiplying when the body doesn't need them, the result is a mass, also known as a tumor. These growths are considered either benign or malignant. The cells within malignant tumors have the ability to invade neighboring tissues and organs, thus spreading the disease. It is also possible for cancerous cells to break free from the tumor, enter the bloodstream, and spread the disease to other organs.
Fascinating. I would assume then that cancer, with it's rapid growth, and the fact that it produces nothing but additional cancer cells, must disproportionately commandeer the available nutrients that support and nurture healthy, productive cells and organs, thereby weakening them, interfering with their proper functions, and ultimately prevent an organ from functioning, leading to the collapse and demise of the host.
Radiation is the primary treatment. It can be applied externally or internally.
Dry mouth is a common side effect of treating cancer with radiation.
I would think so.
I'm sorry, was that OT?
Isn't it amusing that every time two scraggly beards get together for any kind of purpose it's always "Revolution" in the title? Can't they ever just settle the hell down and exist peacefully?
Oh. No, they cannot. That's right, this is Islam - the Religion of Peace through murdering your opponents.
"Shoot some toddlers in the back of the head. Allahufuckingakbar!"
I'm so sure allah loves all those murdered children. It just brings so much glory to Islam to shoot a toddler in the back of the head.
Islam is a sick murder-cult that needs to be outlawed. Worldwide.
T-ham, I liked that cancer article. OT? I don't think so (wink wink).
... but until we begin to see the same kind of indignation among Muslims when Muslims kill non-Muslims, we will not be out of the woods.
Well, I'm teaching some of my pigs to fly. Betcha one of my hogs achieves liftoff before a garden variety Moslem bemoans the murder of an Infidel.
"Well, I'm teaching some of my pigs to fly. Betcha one of my hogs achieves liftoff before a garden variety Moslem bemoans the murder of an Infidel."
That brings to mind something I said over at GoV some time ago. Or mybe it was at Ace. Makes no difference - I said it.
Many will do their best imitation of somber, self-proclaimed TV "intellectuals" and say that we can't go to war with 1.3 billion muslims and that 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of Islam is peaceful.
Well, I thought I'd figure that up, being a simpleton.... If almost all muslims are peaceful, stupid me, then there must be over a billion angry muslims protesting the "hi-jacking" of their religion.
RIGHT?
Hmm.... well, let's do a google... or try MEMRI.ORG... or maybe Yahoo.... hmmm we have a problem. I can't find any 1.3billion muslim marches.
There's not over a billion angry protesting muslims who are enraged over islamic murder of infidels.
Hmmm, okay, maybe only 90% of Islam is "moderate" and deplores murder. Okay, that means there's still over a BILLION pissed off muslims protesting the murder of little infidel children and women. Oh, there's not? No protests?
Hmm. Okay then, maybe only HALF of Islam is "moderate" and adheres to peace and sings KUMBAYA with the secularists of the west. Well, that means there must be 650MILLION pissed off muslims deploring the beheading of little Christian girls. Oh, there's not? No protests?
Hmm. Okay then, maybe only 25% of Islam is "moderate" and thinks murdering little toddlers when they're in school is wrong. Okay then! So there must be 325MILLION pissed off muslims.... oh.... there's NOT?
Crap.
Okay then, maybe there's only 10% in Islam that deplore all the murder of innocent westerners in the name of Allah. Cool! So there must be 130MILLION pissed off..... oh? THERE'S NOT??
Well shit.
So maybe only ONE DAMN PERCENT of muslims believe that murder of innocents is bad. Great. At least 1% of Islam has some sense right? So there's THIRTEEN MILLION pissed off.... oh damn.
You mean? Yeah, not even 1% of islam deplores the murders.
But but but. What happened to all the "moderates" we know almost all of Islam is?
Someone is telling me "shhhhh" we're trying to ignore the fact that not even 1% of Islam wants peace with the west...."
Well, come on. The MEDIA keeps telling us that islam is all reasonable and moderate and peaceful and KUMBAFUCKINYA... so there just HAS to be at least 1/10th of 1%, RIGHT??
Great! We can continue living with the fantasy that at least 1.3 MILLION muslims are marching and protesting....
Uh oh.
Whatever will we do with this fantasy of ours?
... hmmm we have a problem. I can't find any 1.3billion muslim marches.
Watch your step, Musso, cuz whether you know it or not you have just emarked on a Vision Quest looking to espy the elusive Unicorn.
Keep that up and soon we'll see you downtown squatting by the curb all raggedy in three overcoats wearing sunglasses and a stained stocking cap, banging a garbage can top yelling "ONKEE ONKEE ONKEE" and we sure as hell would hate to see that, Il Duce.
You're prescient, for sure, Pig-Farmer.
I'm really having some issues here. My simpleton mind cannot seem to make the connection between what the politically correct media is telling me and the fact that not even 1/10th of 1% of Islam is speaking out against murder.
The left and the media keeps assuring me that islam is peace. That only the barest fraction of muslims condone the killing.
But... I know that in almost all cultures, silence is taken as assent.
So if 1.3 billion muslims are silent.... then...
On a more serious note, ... wait a minute... my post might have been satirically delivered, but it was as serious as the murders committed.
Okay, on a different note, MEMRI.ORG usually has a handful of muslims protesting the murders. I'd really like to point at that. A half dozen out of 1.3BILLION? And that's if we discount any taqiyyah! I believe that is termed among statisticians as "statistically insignificant."
Islam is a political murder-cult and needs to be outlawed. There is no room for co-existence with Islam - just consider what the muslim said in the Van Gogh murders. Islam hates the secular system of government and the murders will not ever stop.
Allahufuckinakbar!
Jesus: "Do unto others... forgive."
Allah: "Decapitate unto others... and beat your women."
Wait a minute then..
According to ALL the muslims out there
None of the following has ever been committed by muslims.. it is impossible... for a muslim to
comitt----
Murder
Genocide
Rape
Suicide bombings
Terrorist attacks
Poisionings
Assasinations
Threats
Fraud
Intimidation
Lying
Cheating (especially welfare) from the infidels
Stealing (same thing)..
So following their twisted logic this means..
Muslims are killing Muslims for not committing a crime against muslims which muslims could never do
because they are muslims..
Am i correct?
What's going on Benito, is we are involved in a MASS-PSYCHOTHERAPY MISSION. Yep, that's it, boiled down.
You folks really need to google, and study about Wilhelm Wundt, William James, Pragmatism, B.F. Skinner,the Cold-war, communism, nazism, John Dewey, the CFR, Barry Goldwater- Trilateral Commision, HUMANISM, Cultural Marxism,the Constitution, and on and on and on and on and on, read about 350 books about 20th century history and spend the next 8-9 years trying to put it together.
This'll get you started:
http://members.mountain.net/theanalyticpapers/
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htm
http://www.sntp.net/behaviorism/skinner.htm
This might help make sense of it:
http://www.answers.com/topic/logical-positivism
By the way, the refutation that claimed L.P. was erroneous was wrong, the reconciliation of the contradiction specified is simply to name it as a definition, not a proposition.
Or, you can believe what I said at the top.
Kentim - 100% agreement.
The Kocher link where he deals with the Vietnam experience and the motivating factors of the minds behind the deliberate erosion of American confidence was defined by others as Malignant narcissism.
The CFR seems to pop up at every turn.
It is a positive development and bodes well for the prospects of stabilizing Iraq and creating an internal atmosphere inhospitable to foreign jihadis.
Good News Bad News for Musolini and the alarmed Pig Farmer
Ok, so by calculation, there are about 100 moderate muslims somewhere out there amongst the 1.3 billion. I guess the bad news is that they are the ones sending money to Muslim...-er-. .ahh. ."charities" that are supporting the other 1.3 billion radicals.
Now you can start training for street corner squating.
For those like me that do not read the Bible as much as we should, it is astonshing that very few realize that Revelations is written for our time.
Christ is coming back not with peace but with war aganist all those that have attacked the Jews and Christians, the Muslims.
Revelations shows that Christ expects us to fight to keep our beliefs whole and secure from those that intend to destroy our religions and take the lives of our loved ones, the Muslims.
Christ says to make war on those that make war on us, the Muslims.
Wake, up world, war is upon us.
The Texican.
Leave Iraq? We will never leave Iraq, just as we have never left Bosnia, or even Germany for that matter. Why should Iraq be any different? We will be in Iraq for a long time to come. We may not be doing much, but we will be there.
I suspect much of our main force will move near or into Iran in the near future.
As far as them killing each other in Iraq, that's a good thing. It's about time they figured out who their real enemy is, although I doubt they are refocusing on Al Qaida for that reason alone. They just figure it's safer for them to kill Al-Quida rather than push the Shiites too far, because the Shiites will one day say enough is enough and really kick their butts. As long as they are killing someone in the name of Allah they are happy.
The Texican-
yes, revelations, daniel is written for our time. Which are you referring to?
You can find an interesting interpretaion of it here. Unfortunately, because of the lack of will on our part, things don't end well for us. It is because we "cut and run" instead of doing a proper job that all goes bad.
It's an interesting read.
The Last Days of Babylon
Do you know how many times throughout history people believed the "last days" were upon us??
They were sooo sure. And usually they looked forward to it. In this world of WMD, controlled by people, I get a little nervous when other humans start talking about the "last days".
Hi
My comment is for Mr Fitzgerald. I am curious about his opinion of two individuals- APJ Kalam and Fareed Zakaria. Does he think of them as a particularly successfull practice of taqiya