Very important comment on this story. From "Moorthy and beyond" in Malaysiakini, with thanks to bamsterkins:
The alleged conversion of Moorthy and the subsequent snatching of his body from his family and the unprofessional conduct of the Syariah Court and later the High Court illustrate very vividly how state agencies in the hands of Malay/Muslims have become tools of suppression of non-Malay or non-Muslim rights. Beyond this, the growing perception among Malays that Malaysia is an Islamic state has served to fuel intolerance towards non-Malays and their religious and cultural practices. Over the last two decades or so, hundreds of non-Muslim places of workshop have been removed or demolished in the name of development while permission to construct non-Muslim places of worship have been denied by overzealous Muslims in the relevant bureaucracies. While mosques and suraus are allowed to flourish, the same is not true for non-Muslim places of worship.
Read it all.
Sooner or later this stare of affairs will enduce emigration of ethnic Chinese and Hindu Malays...resulting in the loss of the most talented, educated and industrious sectors of the populace.
What will follow will be capital flight and the end of Malaysia's economic miracle.
Those who argue, as someone did yesterday at another thread, that Islam has spread through military and not demographic conquest, and that fears of the latter are exaggerated and deserve to be pooh-poohed (especially in apparently impregnable North America, and possibly Western Europe), should consider what Malaya's population was like in 1950, and how much has changed in a few decades. Technology, that can spread the full text of Islam, and can also make possible the mass movement of peoples, from country to country and within countries, and that can make possible those gigantic families in which Muslims now seem to specialize (just look at any report from Iraq or the "Palestinian"-controlled areas: "One of 13 children" or "his eight children all live in a few rooms" or "in his four-story villa 3 of his nine children still live with him" or...).
No pooh-poohing allowed, or at least not aloud, except possibly if the listener is Eeyore. And he doesn't come to this site.
Cornelius:
My thoughts exactly. I expect there will be a lot of talented people available in the foreseeable future - who will be the beneficiaries.
It seems in countries where Islamic Fundamentalism grows, the rights on non-Muslims are the first casualties. Sad, Malaysia has always been an example of how different cultures could live and work together.
Could this be Europe's future? I hope and pray it isn't.
"Could this be Europe's future? I hope and pray it isn't."
I am afraid it is already the present, as we have seen freedom of speech and artistic expression have been eroded by the threat and reality of violence.
"Could this be Europe's future? I hope and pray it isn't."
I also hope and pray it isn't Europe's future, especially given the existence of nuclear weapons and other advanced military technologies there.
Edge Nation = Sledge Nation = Ledge Nation = Dredge Nation.
MORE MOSLEMS MORE ISLAM MORE DEPRAVITY MORE MURDER MORE MORE MORE
Fall off the ledge and, whoops, you're a Moslem now. Can't fall lower than that. Rock bottom. Ye are devo.
Hugh wrote:
Those who argue, as someone did yesterday at another thread, that Islam has spread through military and not demographic conquest, and that fears of the latter are exaggerated and deserve to be pooh-poohed (especially in apparently impregnable North America, and possibly Western Europe),
Certainly Islam has spread through demographic "conquest". Recent examples are Lebanon and Kosovo.
North America, at least the US has a Muslim population that is less than 1% of the total population. I do not "pooh-pooh" this but I think that in the case of the USA it makes it hard to justify calling for deportations based on religious identity or for finding creative ways of making Muslims wish to emigrate. Curtailing immigration is needed to prevent the influx of jihadists and their supporters. I think the criterion for immigration decisions should be "safe beyond a reasonable doubt".
Advocating deportation based on religion to maintain a demographic balance will get you labeled a "racist xenophobe". You can post the equivalent of the Encyclopedia Britannica explaining why that is not technically racist but to no avail.
The "I'm not a racist, I just want to send them back to (North) Africa" meme will not propagate in the USA. A collection of ideas that is thought to contain it will be difficult to propagate as well. It doesn't belong in the collection. It's also wrong.
Other countries with larger Muslim populations may be forced to take this route. We should not oppose them. In the case of America it (deportation) is not achievable or necessary so why scare people away by talking about it?
Deportation for active support of jihad is another matter. Asking people who came here with the intent of making or encouraging war against us to please just go somewhere else is actually rather humane. Compare what happens to Palestinians suspected of being Israeli "collaborators".
Maybe France isn't ready to go quietly into the Islamic night?
France 'would use nuclear arms'
Chirac warned of new threats in a post-Cold War world
French President Jacques Chirac has said France would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state which launched a terrorist attack against it.
Speaking at a nuclear submarine base in north-western France, Mr Chirac said a French response "could be conventional. It could also be of another nature."
He said France's nuclear forces had been configured for such an event.
France has had an independent nuclear deterrent since 1960, after an arms programme ordered by Charles de Gaulle.
'Odious attacks'
The BBC's Alistair Sandford in Paris says this is the first time that Mr Chirac has so clearly linked the threat of a nuclear response to a terrorist attack.
On a visit to L'Ile-Longue base in Brittany, Mr Chirac said leaders of states who would "use terrorist means against us, just like anyone who would envisage using, in one way or another, arms of mass destruction, must understand that they would expose themselves to a firm and adapted response from us".
The president spoke of new threats in a post-Cold War world, without mentioning any specific threat against France.
"In numerous countries, radical ideas are spreading, advocating a confrontation of civilisations," he said, adding that "odious attacks" could escalate to "other yet more serious forms involving states".
Following the end of the Cold War, France scaled down its nuclear deterrent, scrapping a number of missile systems.
It is believed to have a current arsenal of around 350 nuclear weapons.
I remember someone telling me years ago how their university building in manchester had labs, lecture rooms and a mosque in the basement.
The mosque was there because malaysia would not send it's students if the uni did not put a mosque in.
It transpires that most students from malaysia were not moslem and because they are not moslem they get no funding from the malaysian government.
I think the word for this kind of behaviour is apartheid.
Major Strasser has NOT been shot. (But he will be...) Go out and arrest the usual suspects.
Say good-bye to Ricks Cafe. In the future, there will be no alcohol, music or dancing. ("I'm shocked, shocked that theres gambling going on in here") Enjoy Ricks Cafe while you still can. Maybe Rick can make it to the Free French Forces in Brazzaville...