Muslim group hit the streets of London

That is one of the problems with Islam. The moderates are not reigning in the extremists and appear unwiling to do so. If a Christian bombs an abortion clinic, he/she is going to jail. To say that Islam is peaceful is to contradict its anti-Western history and its culture.

...bright Christmas lights twinkle overhead...

With provocation like that, can anyone blame Muslims for getting angry?

It's slightly offtopic, but the problem of so-called moderate Islam in the West is not their PR, but their tribal and/or rural traditions. If they let go of their tribal and rural traditions, they would be accepted by the common folk in a decade.

They have to be something like us, 2 children, a nice car, a decent job and a clean house. That will make an infinite more impression than some leaflets handed over on the streets of a bombed city.

but their tribal and/or rural traditions. If they let go of their tribal and rural traditions, they would be accepted by the common folk in a decade.
Dr.Wolffenstein, its not the

Dr.Wolffenstein, some pointsof tribal/rural traditins might make it more difficult to accept Western thought, but its the words in Koran that is killing people. all cultures had tribal rural traditions, the main difference is the teachings and words contained in the Koran!

Dr Wolffenstein, some converts to Islam, who do not come from the type of tribal or rural tradition who have in mind ahve been the among the most violent and murderous in their new ideology.

Counter Dawa does exist, on 3 continents (about which discretion is wise) which does get mentioned on this site from time to time.

How much counter Dawa is there, really? I have been trying to read about it online (not much there) and have talked with my one evangelical friend, who only knows abot China, not the Islamic world.

Quijybo

Hello !...in the free world... one group can freely hand out free leaflets to another...

Can one group does that in certain countries !..
.. what the punishment ? BE surprise !

"If they let go of their tribal and rural traditions, they would be accepted by the common folk in a decade."
-- from a posting above

And that is an even more dangerous outcome. The Western suit (but not yet the tie -- that's just too Western), the facility with the language of the local Infidels and their web of allusion (the better to impress and deceive you with, my dear!), the ready smile instead of the scowl -- well, that just makes the task of deceiving, and renderig unsure, the Infidels as the Da'wa and demographic conquest, little by little by little, is allowed to proceed, and those worried about are painted, more effectively, as hysterics, extremists, racists, what you will.

I never said that the Koran isn't a problem. The teachings of the Koran is the cause of huge amounts of bloodshed (in the past, in the present and in the future). But one shouldn't blame only that single fact for all the problems that islam and muslims are causing. It's broader, much, much broader.

They have to be something like us, 2 children, a nice car, a decent job and a clean house.

Mohammad Sidique Khan, a primary school teacher, pretty much fits that description. He was one of the London bombers.

Counter Dawa does exist

Indeed it does. Mum's the word.

The "moderate" Muslims who try to sell the proposition that Islam is really a religion of peace have, it seems to me, two big PR problems:

(1) the Koran & Hadiths have been translated into Western Languages, notably English, and

(2) Many people in the West can read!

I can't imagine what they can do about this.

Actions speak louder than words.

The actions of the founder of Islam are violent.

The actions he taught his followers to do and what they did was violent.

The actions throughout history of Muslims are aggressive violence.

Today, the actions are equally heinous and violent.

The so-called moderate Muslims do nothing to rein these so-called extremist Muslims or Islamists. In fact, they celebrate their violent actions.

Muslims use violent acts against each other rather than words to deal with conflict.

Therefore, nothing a Muslim can say or print can change the fact that their actions and intentions are violence and death.

There is nothing peaceful about this religion unless you count the peacefulness of a dead body.

Handing out leaflets is the typical impotent response of Muslims.Rather then tackling the problem that is Islam, Muslims hand out leaflets to non-Muslims as if Islam has a PR problem. Muslims think they have to better educate Westerners about Islam.But Westerners are being educated about Islam by the day to day violent acts committed by Muslims in the name of Islam all over the world.Most people know that if Muslims were really against Islamic violence and terrorism they could end it by dealing with the problem internally. Islamic terrorism continues because Muslims support it.

Onlooker~

They are Welcome to hand out those flyers. I'll take one- because I am curious to match it up to the Koran.

The argument here is, the people they need to convince are the muslims killing people all around the planet. Not the non-muslims who haven't done a thing against muslims.

Except exist.

Could Christians stand on a street corner in Saudi Arabia hand out leaflets explaining Christianity? The Londoners who are the intended recipients of these brochures should hand them back and ask that question.

Hugh....c'mon! 84 word sentences....!!!

People all over the world are beginning to wake up to the fact that despite all the rhetoric, the moderates still have the same goal as the terrorists and that is to put the entire world under sharia law one way or the other.

SOme will think because these boys are "so nice and polite" they represnt Islam,
they will reject that a muslim can cutt off your head and still reprent Islam as well.The reality is This is like the hell's angels or any other street gang passing out flowers at an airport.

should be a comma after the word that, sorry

Mainstream Islam is terrorist. Its the radicals that are peaceful. Its in the Koran, how to conduct a terror campaign and decieve the non-believers.

The problem is always our attitudes toward their goals of conquest. "How could (we) possibly refuse the one true faith?" they reckon. "It's a total system of belief, perfect in every respect," they delude themselves.

This reminds me of the piece about Yee in the Houston paper I read this morning. As stated above, to them, everything is a PR problem. If we just knew more we'd all convert.

When this obvious ploy will be exposed for what it is in the so-called elite media, I have no idea.

Could Christians stand on a street corner in Saudi Arabia hand out leaflets explaining Christianity? The Londoners who are the intended recipients of these brochures should hand them back and ask that question.

The stardard answer to that is that the Saudis are corrput and that "they" whichever group "they" are have the true peaceful Islam. The thing to do to get their dander up is to mention how deficient Mohammed is in the perfect man department - Aisha the baby bride, Asma bint Marwen the murdered poetess and nursing mother, the massacre of the Jews of the Bani wotsit get them really riled.

"World Assembly of Muslim Youth" -- hmm.

from: http://www.meforum.org/article/687

"...World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), a Saudi nongovernmental organization that seeks to spread Wahhabism, the radical and intolerant Saudi interpretation of Islam, throughout the world with its literature and schools.[30] WAMY, which falls under the umbrella of the Muslim World League, has the stated goal of "arming the Muslim youth with full confidence in the supremacy of the Islamic system over other systems." It is the largest Muslim youth organization in the world and can boast unparalleled resources.[31] In 1991 WAMY published a book called Tawjihat Islamiya (Islamic Views) that stated, "Teach our children to love taking revenge on the Jews and the oppressors, and teach them that our youngsters will liberate Palestine and Al-Quds [Jerusalem] when they go back to Islam and make jihad for the sake of Allah."[32] The sentiments in Tawjihat Islamiya are the rule rather than the exception. Many other WAMY publications are filled with strong anti-Semitic and anti-Christian rhetoric."

Going straight to the hole, wamy.org, resulted in an arabic webpage, which is unreadable by this infidel. There seemed to be wamy webpage versions available in "Amecica Latina", English, Russian, and Thai, but I was unable to access them.

Further searching resulted in wamy showing up on the foca webpage, another saudi propaganda attempt at misleading infidels:

http://www.foca.net/Members.stm

Notice the al-Haramain Islamic Foundation listed at foca. It is one of the "charities" shut down, in the USA, for funding terrorism. A 2004 news article about al-Haramain:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/07/terror/main621621.shtml

Abbey

You've summed up my perspective on Islam rather nicely, thank you.

Was just thinking about the links concerning wamy, which I just posted above. The Middle East Forum article isn't all bad, but it occurs to me that it suggests a misleading distinction between wahhabism/muslimbrotherhood and the rest of islam. As if the problem is (are) the intolerant saudis and their version of islam, while other truly tolerant versions exist as well. The real problem on the globe is that the "truly tolerant" versions of islam are a figment of propaganda and imagination.

Some people think that all Muslims are terrorists, and that we're really a front for something more sinister."

You don't say. I wonder why that might be? Could
it be that most Muslims are terrorist supporters
and sympathizers, and hence their places of
worship and special interest organizations are in
fact fronts for something "more sinister"?

" But we persevere, and every single non-Muslim we reach is a victory for us."

And a defeat for non Muslims, and the West. It's
long past time to implement a reversal of
demographic trends. Ship them all out.

All they want is you lands, your souls and your brains in chains.

All I would have said in taking a flyer from one of these Muslo-Fifth Columnists is:

"Merry Christmas and thanks for the toilet paper."

Let me guess the fliers don"t say to kill the infidels.Can't these guys be charged for false advertising the Koran is a book that contains everything and as such can be used for anything. It is contradictory and as Muslims say those who use the killing verses do so out of context,But how can the Eternal word of Allah be changed Mohammed was a channel hense no change in the text is every possible and Islam remains forever in the 7th century with eyes being gouged out for punishment honor killings etc.Perhaps I should make a posting the 7th century,how Islam loves you

If Muslims emphatically repudiated Jihad and the violence mandated in the Koran as well as the bad acts of Mohammed, non-Muslims would believe that they are neither terrorists or sympathizers and, perhaps, enablers. Silence is de facto approval.

Religion of Peace? I just surfed over from the website listed below and was reading the many articles written by former Muslims....plus checking out the GALLERY of pictures from these Peaceful Religious Muslims. For those of you who are not familiar with this site....I have provided a link to the GALLERY. I believe it picks up on the school children that were slaughtered by these MO loving roaches.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/25.htm

Last night I met a very nice man who was originally from Iran but has been in the United States for several decades. He engaged my friends and me in conversation and he stated that he didn't understand why people in the world fight so much and why we couldn't all get along. My friends and I responded that it is because of our human nature, and then corrected it and said our fallen human nature. He understood that. He said that Iran is a most beautiful place and that the people there are so kind. He also said that the students in the 1500 universities in Iran are not happy with the government and that he thinks they will eventually change it. His attitude was that it would all work out. I asked him he was a Muslim and he said no, he had been brought up in the B'nai faith, but that he thought organized religion caused problems. I thought to myself, no, not all organized religions.

I then asked him, very seriously, if he thought that Sharia could exist side by side with Democracy. He thought for a moment, looked me straight in the eyes and said, no. And I thought to myself, that's why we fight so much and can't get along.

"Take a leaflet here," he yells, "They're free. Discover the true face of Islam and remove some of the misconceptions!"

Counter-dawa is verboten. We all know that.

ALWAYS ANGRY ALWAYS AGGRIEVED ALWAYS BITTER ALWAYS MOSLEM ALWAYS

The key ingredient to creating, and sustaining, a Fictive Reality is for only one side to be able to talk.

To take a beery analogy, imagine what would happen to Budweiser is they were silenced and Miller was able to forge ahead with its various ad campaigns.

The jihad attack plus denial-obfuscation propaganda is a one-two punch against the western liberal democracies. We have had the label "sucker" written over us at least since Qutb paid us a visit.

It is violent jihad, plus non-violent jihad. Non-violent jihad is not necessarily an internal struggle; it can be external (indeed, it must have an external component, otherwise it fails to implement the Koranic duties). As for the internal psychological struggle (jihad), this hating the tendency toward disbelief can easily generalize to the hatred of that property in others--all disbelievers, who are thoroughly demonized in the Koran in hundreds of verses. The violent and the non-violent jihads are combined tactics within the larger strategy. This doesn't even require a conspiracy (though there may be some--CAIR is an example). All it requires is one group of Muslims killing us in the name of Islam, and another group of Muslims striving with might and main that to promote Islam as a religion of peace: a claim directly mainly outward at non-Muslims).

This pleasant-sounding propaganda about beautiful Islam, which avoids quoting whole verses and neglects to mention that "good verses" do not apply to non-Muslims* (or else are abrogated according to mainstream Islamic scholars), is a significant weapon in the Islamists' arsenal. They know that the decisions of democratic governments depend (to some extent) on the majority of popular opinion. What better way to hand-cuff the infidels than prevent them from being able to identify correctly the enemies?

*As Ali Sina points out, even hyenas look after those within own pack.

As the article and posters above point out, these so-called moderate Muslims are directing their propaganda to mostly non-Muslims and not the Muslims. We need to show the general public just how disgusting and insulting these claims about peaceful Islam are to the victims of Islamic terror, tyranny, and oppression.

Note how this Muslim propagandist says at the end:

...every single non-Muslim we reach is a victory for us."

Right, one more useful idiot. One more enemy of Islam neutered.

This just goes to prove that the Muslims have taken their war to all fronts. Even the way they speak betrays them.

Considering WAMY is a Saudi established and funded islamofascist youth group with open ties to the jihad against the Jews of Israel, I would be wary of sharing any personal information with any of the muslim youth.

These myth pushers could have achieved the same thing by handing out rolls of toilet papper with the word "Da'wa" and "Taqiyya" stamped on each sheet.