Hmmm. Could we have found the fatwa that will halt the advance of Islam in France and Holland? From AFP, with thanks to JE:
An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa claiming that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars.According to the religious edict issued by Rashad Hassan Khalil, a former dean of Al-Azhar University's faculty of Sharia (or Islamic law), "being completely naked during the act of coitus annuls the marriage"....
l guess he rather have rape on the run! maybe the MsEngland's idea of torture of muslim terrorist hit on the nail..their archille's heel is nudity!
Hmmm, so, there after all _is_ a way for a muslima to escape handmaidenhood?
Gracing a muslim sexual union with the word 'marriage' is taking things a step taken too far.
A marriage is something that happens when two free people love one another and want to dedicate their lives to each other, with equal rights and responsibility.
Islamic sexual unions certainly do not attain this level of humanity.
Imli
... has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars.
We're always hearing about Islamic scholars and scientists. Islamic scholar this and Hadith scientist that. Just what is it that these bearded, be-ragged, beady-eyed professors do?
ALWAYS ANGRY ALWAYS AGGRIEVED ALWAYS BITTER ALWAYS MOSLEM ALWAYS
What is there for them to study? I know that the Koran, Hadiths, Sira, and Sharia are laughable pieces of hog crap. Are they looking at some books of which we're not aware?
An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa claiming that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars.
I know this is a family-friendly site, so I won't say much . . . but how does this "cleric" expect married people to engage in it while fully clothed?
I telling you looking at herself is one of the pleasures of lovemaking.
I make her wear a blindfold of course.
To bad those scholars can't find a rift about the fate of the infidels within Islam.
Is anyone even talking about that?
The scientists are working on it. A big experiement is underway over at the lab in Qom.
There's nothing to say they can't wear each other's clothes, though.
Dang, these "clerics" are just like their murderer/rapist/liar/thief prophet, they know everything! Friggin' geniuses, the lot of 'em!
I agree with KAOSKTRL.
The fear of the islamic scholars is that women may find some way to enjoy sex, a horrific and terrifying thought to any sensible muslim man.
Therefore I think after wrestling with it in committee, nudity in marriage will be declared ok as long as the woman is blindfolded, so she won't risk excitement by seeing her own or her mate's body au naturel.
This is rather a drastic way to get Mrs Khalil IV to wear the purple and black, lace and leather number, 3 sizes too small that he bought her in Madam Fatima's Bazaar (or should that be bizarre) for Eid.
What. A. Stupid. Religion.
What's the problem? They take baths fully clothed as well. That is, if you can call wading into a polluted river with hundreds of other people taking a bath.
Happy New Year everyone!!!
It seems 2006 has started the same way 2005 ended...with a hearty laugh.
Once again the muslim mind set is amazing in that this ass in Egypt can sit down and THINK and the best he can come up with is that having sex naked "invalidates" the marriage.
What do muslims know about marriage anyway? To them it is a word that means "sex" nothing more. The woman in islam is a giant vagina and she is demeaned accordingly yet I keep seeing these muslim women running around talking about how islam makes them feel so liberated and special....WELL ISNT THAT JUST SPECIAL!!
Anyway a quick and easy solution to the problem oh enlighted muslim idiots...get a king size bed sheet and cut a hole out where the peepee and the weewee are and just go bang bang...the other alternative would be for this islamic scholar to buy a .357 magnum, load it all up with nice shiney bullets, put it to his head and go visit Mohamed in hell...other muslims should feel free to follow such a fine example of martyrdom(no one else gets killed)...waste of sperm the lot of them.
Where are those darn cruise missles when you need them...
They take baths fully clothed as well.
-- posted by GFB
Let us not talk about what Moslems do with the left hand when tidying up after bowel movements.
Allahu Akbar indeed.
Another reason to remain a fundamentalist Christian. FCOL.
Darius:
This article appeared in today's National Post (in Canada) in more detail. Apparently it's OK to bonk while under a blanket - just so long as one doesn't see the interesting bits.
How do you parody a cult that is itself a parody?
Maybe the most venerable Rashad Hassan Khalil is on to something.
This morning I passed in front of a mirror emerging from the shower, and after what I saw I don't plan to ever have sex again.
... has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars.
Perhaps we can volunteer to pluck out the eyes of 'to be' suicide bombers saving them from seeing their 72 virgins..... just helping, you understand.
Just one more ludicrous "fatwa" to heap onto the garbage pile of inanities which know no bounds in Islam... They are too many to document here...
These quaint primitives are still discussing "Jinns" as the source of human disease -- the local Imam may be found in any part of the world (including the USA, Canada, or any place in Europe) concocting potions for his minions to ward off evil spirits... The Muslim thrall is encumbered by an endless obsession with infantile rules of conduct -- insane questions which can only be answered by the insane Imam who is familiar with the insane arcana of Islam -- Fearful of cutting your fingernails on the wrong day? Avoid heinous transgressions against Allah! Ask the Imam! He'll have an answer for this! Shaving or plucking your various hairs -- 'Oh -- what to do!?! What a quandry! -- what is permitted? Would it be sinful to shave there, oh learned Imam?!?' Ask him! He'll have an intricate answer for this, backed by centuries of "rulings"! 'What do I do with my scab, oh wise one? What is Allah's will when it comes to scabs?' Ask your Imam! He knows best! He can tell you what Allah wants you to do with your scabs, your fingernail clippings, your used bandages, the baby diaper...! (btw -- it's best to bury such things in clean areas -- dirty dirt just won't do for disposing your precious bodily fluids and exudate... and the Imam knows better than anyone!)
This religion is a vile creed, and it's practitioners are suffocating in its miasma of insanity... Now they come to our clean well ordered shores and, Muslim finger stabbing in the air, beady eyed and furrowed brows bristling at the "infidel", they tell US how to conduct ourselves -- they tell US how things will be -- they suggest that WE are the ones who need to change to comfort them and their insanities --
Who's boss in the West? The primitive barbarian Muslim? Or the secular humanist democrat who made it a clean well ordered place?
The filth of their creed, the filth of Islam must be washed from our shores -- We must not permit the heavy burden of their backwardness and craziness to drag us down into the sewer of their hellish "religion"... We must protect ourselves at all costs from the dark shadows of ignorance and hatred which accompany Islam wherever it rears its ugly head...
The absurdities in Islam makes it a laughing stock of the whole enlightened world. Such as the Muslim ambassadors in Denmark being aggrieved about some silly cartoons, while Muslims the world over are creating havoc, such as beheading innocent people blowing themselves up etc., - but not a word about these from these so called Ambassadors. For them a silly cartoon about a pedophile moron who lived in the 7th century is more important then human life.
I cannot understand how any person with the intelligence of a mosquito would give any credence to religious edicts such as this nonsense. Then its from the 'religion of peace'.
Religious teachers & clerics in all other religions ponder on spirituality and compassion. The Islamic teachers and clerics are enamored with SEX and women. That alone says its not a religion, but a 7th century cult trying to keep women from ever advancing and enjoying life.
From the article: During the live televised debate, Islamic scholar Abdel Muti dismissed the fatwa: "Nothing is prohibited during marital sex, except of course sodomy."
That last bit, naturally, is strictly reserved for goats and sheep.
The filth of their creed, the filth of Islam must be washed from our shores -- We must not permit the heavy burden of their backwardness and craziness to drag us down...
Now calm down jsla. After reading your piece I put out calls to Oprah, Bill, Tim, Christiana, Steven, Dr. Phil, and even Mr. Hooper. They all agreed that is it Islamophobia that must be washed from these shores. There's notihng to be askeert of. I recommend that you visit a mosque this weekend and confer with the Imam there. You will be thrilled at what a nice person he is. Give peace a chance.
And what about my fingernail clippings?
I guess the question "Do you wish the lights on, or off?" will never again have to be asked.
They will be the first to institute "Drive by humpings"
Shunkleash posted:
"Where are those darn cruise missles when you need them..."
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Shouldn't it read: "your rights may vary widely from religion to religion" ?
"Nothing is prohibited during marital sex, except of course sodomy."
-- Islamic scholar [sic] Abdel Muti
Whoa, that leaves the road wide open to mogambo and very disturbing kinks. These Moslems really are free-wheeling perverts. Maybe Islamic scholar [sic] Abdel Muti should quit surfing the Web porn so much.
The more important question is whether assorted animals need to be covered for sex. The late, great, Ayatollah Khomeini was of the opinion:
"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."
He leaves out the vital of clothing. Perhaps the Islamic scholars could discuss this.
LMAO at Granny Weatherwax!!!
Now, wait... what's with the left hand and, well, answering nature's Call to Potty from the gaseous muezzin down below? No TP?
On a more serious note, someone needs to point it out to the Muslims that this is the kind of hairsplitting and legalistic wrangling among the Pharisees that Jesus put and end to, and there's no reason for Islam to rehash is, as it always spirals into absurtities such as this.
Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic law, and elevated the two great commandments that focus on what's in one's heart, not fingernail clippings or not facing Mecca when you do your business. That eliminates (pun intended) all pretext for Islam to exist.
I checked the Kamasutra for kaftan and burkha sex, but couldn't find anything.
Perhaps I should ask the Imam Ibrahim Desai?
Soon to hit the market: the contraceptive latex burka.
This is insane...
Why do you think God (Yahweh) in heaven made women
so beautiful.....
The Islamic fixation on sex and the inability of islam to control this desire again proves that Islam is the cause of these issues..
And now to say if you see your wife naked in effect annulls the marriage..... sounds like another islamic cop out of marriage...
so the muslim males can go out and grab another young plaything...
I will say one thing for the defense of the women....
Most married men if seen unclothed ...
Well i could understand the woman wanting to claim annulment....
But thats just me...
Man i got to loose weight :)
It's too bad that the cleric didn't specify that the man should keep his pants on and zipped.
Then again, the post did not specify whether complete nudity means both parties or either party or which party to the act.
... did not specify whether complete nudity means both parties or either party or which party to the act.
Most squalid moment possible anywhere anytime in the whole wide world: Moslem sex party. Erect, angry, holier-than-thou, and moaning and groaning all at once. Inflamed Mohammedans burning with Halal Horniness. Painful image, that.
HE MAY BE SEXIST HE MAY BE RAPIST BUT HE SO TURGID HE SO SENSUAL SO MOSLEM
An authority no less than God Himself laid down this scorching homoerotic track in the unpleasantly named Koranic surah The Mount. Put these characters in a pup tent instead of on thrones and you'd have a group version of Brokeback Mountain. Ouch that hurts.
Eat and drink pleasantly for what you did,
Reclining on thrones set in lines,
and We will unite them to large-eyed beautiful ones.
And We will aid them with fruit and flesh such as they desire.
They shall pass therein from one to another a cup
Wherein there shall be nothing vain nor any sin.
And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls.
And some of them shall advance towards others questioning each other.
Now, what do you suppose the question is?
The wincing notion of large eyed beautiful ones with hidden pearls is exactly why I won't be watching the Academy Awards this year. Fruit and flesh indeed.
Allahu Akbar!
maybe we can have the Danish do cartoons of islam scholars doing it au naturel, and might gross them to put on suicide belts! lol they can meet allah au naturel!
I'd like to issue a counter-fatwa:
All Muslim babies that are born naked should be stoned to death.
Why stop at merely annulling marriages? (In any case, the affected woman could simply claim she had a jewel in her navel, which would technically leave her less-than-naked, in order to win the judgment in Shariah court, that her hubby overlooked.)
And while we're at it, why wasn't this lunatic simply laughed out of the "Islamic" school he haunts when he make this demented remark?
Answer: because the Muslo-morons around him will actually take this nudie-fatwa of his under serious consideration.
Slightly OT-
Be sure to catch the upcoming Albert "Lost In America" Brooks film "LOOKING FOR HUMOR IN THE MUSLIM WORLD".
(It should be a scream if it approaches anything as bizarre as this fatwa ...and if Brooks [whose real last name is Einstein] survives the first screening.)
Nudity is allowed when rapping an kafir. This Hate comes Arab traditions as we see from narcissi Mohammed and help from Uncle Mo who taught "him" the Arab blame game and the evils of women from here all the rest goes straight to Hell along with a must rape first tradition, and to really get even, a Burqa, her-circumcision, now, no-fun-nudity to sex? They must kill the goat? Isn't Islam wonderful? Most Muslim men can get around all this, by having sex with a U. S kafir, and as for all 72 virgins and 28 little boys they are all infidels/kafir, so, nudity is allowed when rapping a male or female kafir or anyone designated as a non-believer before murdering them.
Well, since Granny Weatherwax raised the "left hand" as an issue of sorts, I think I'll just bring up the sensitive topic of wudu...after all, nobody do wudu like a mozloom do wudu. I hear the Imam has a whole rant about what is lawful during wudu and if you happen to be at salah and you release a puff of wudu...I shudder to think of the, uhm, ramifications.
How does Rashad Hassan Khalil reconcile the incident where Mo lusts for Zayd, his adopted son's wife, upon viewing her exposed beauty? Are we to believe that once Mo married her, he didn't fully take pleasure in the very quality that attracted him to begin with?
All that standing, sitting and bending in rapid succession has to kind of move things along.
But verily, he who smelt it dealt it, and Allah knows best.
No need for a running commentary.
Not following you there... I was responding to Jauhara Al-Kafirah's post about passing gas during prayer.
Ah, but sometimes wind (gas?) can lead to other things, especially in the Middle East, with its volatile vowels.
But verily, he who smelt it dealt it, and Allah knows best.
Indeed, God and the Holy Prophet gave considerable attention to the problem of farting, especially in mosque.
Allah's Apostle said, "The angels keep on asking Allah's forgiveness for anyone of you, as long as he is at his Mu,salla (praying place) and he does not pass wind (Hadath). They say, 'O Allah! Forgive him, O Allah! be Merciful to him.' "
-- posted by Mohammed in Hadith V1B8N436
ALWAYS ANGRY ALWAYS AGGRIEVED ALWAYS BITTER ALWAYS MOSLEM ALWAYS
God and Mohammed were also deeply concerned with shaving genitalia and wigs... especially Jewesses wearing wigs. Drove God and his Holy Apostle crazy.
Now how does this bozo plan to find out just WHO is having sex NAKED??? (Like anyone is actually going to tell HIM they're doing it). And how does this cleric propose to stop it from happening???
I've heard some lulu's before, but this one takes the cake!!!!!!!
I wonder, could this guy be an Islamic stand-up comedian??? This one is truly HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!
Too bad idiocy never invalidated Islam. If it were possible, the knucklehead in this article might well have pulled it off, I tell you.
I fully agree, goats should keep their pants on.
I remember a cartoon from many years ago. A large group of Saudi men are sitting around a table. On the table is a woman dancing completely nude except for a muslim face scarf and all the men are shouting "take it off, take it off".
Now, where are the democrats on this invasion of privacy? Oh, this is Mosque and state. Not church and state. Big difference. Stupid me. But how do these clerics know when a couple is naked or nude during sexual intercourse? They must have cameras posted on lamp posts all over Islamofecesland. That way they can watch them later on at night, when they're all alone. No one but them, Allah, and the video cam. Then after a cigarette and a trip to the clerics dry cleaners for the cleaning of the sacred robes. (They tend to get stained after one night of viewing.) The cleric can then deteermined if the marraige is valid or not by the amount of clothing worn by the offending couple. Sharia law must be maintained at all costs. And if watching a couple making love will help this cause, then so be it!!! Allah can't be everywhere!!! Who better to watch a man and a woman getting it on than an Islamic cleric. Especially with a fresh set of robes, jihad condoms, and a pack of fatwa cigarettes.
Less frivolity here, please, this is a serious matter.
Obviously Rashad Hassan Khalil has been married for many years, and has just seen his wife 'au naturel' for the first time. In his place your first thought would also have been of annulment...
Whatever question you have in life, there are plenty of internet Imam's to tell you what to do.
Here's the looney bin
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php
Check this site out for their answer to sex and clothes. Lots of variations of this Q. Seems like people are a tad confused.
A husband and wife may satisfy the desire with each other in lawful ways as often as they desire. One may see his wife nude, however, it is against modesty to do so as shamelessness creeps into one’s life.
Go to the search box and type sex and the Q's and A's are hilarious. Heres a goody...
is anal sex aloud with the clothes on
You probably mean to derive joy from the back of one’s wife without penetrating. If so, it is permissible. Anal sex with penetration is haraam (strictly prohibited).
Here's a Q about Democracy..
What is the islamic understanding about democracy, Is there any place for it in islam.
The common form of democracy prevalent at the moment is representative democracy, ...blah,blah,blah... From this, it becomes simple to understand that there can never be scope for a democratic rule from the Islamic point of view.
There's a months worth of howlers in this site.