Mark Steyn explains in The New Criterion why many, if not most, of our children and grandchildren -- however few in number they may be -- will be dhimmis. And I don't mean dhimmis like John Esposito or Karen Armstrong. I mean full-fledged, jizya-paying, second-class, despised dhimmis.
Most people reading this have strong stomachs, so let me lay it out as baldly as I can: Much of what we loosely call the western world will survive this century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most western European countries. There’ll probably still be a geographical area on the map marked as Italy or the Netherlands— probably—just as in Istanbul there’s still a building called St. Sophia’s Cathedral. But it’s not a cathedral; it’s merely a designation for a piece of real estate. Likewise, Italy and the Netherlands will merely be designations for real estate. The challenge for those who reckon western civilization is on balance better than the alternatives is to figure out a way to save at least some parts of the west.One obstacle to doing that is the fact that, in the typical election campaign in your advanced industrial democracy, the political platforms of at least one party in the United States and pretty much all parties in the rest of the west are largely about what one would call the secondary impulses of society—government health care, government day care (which Canada’s thinking of introducing), government paternity leave (which Britain’s just introduced). We’ve prioritized the secondary impulse over the primary ones: national defense, family, faith, and, most basic of all, reproductive activity—“Go forth and multiply,” because if you don’t you won’t be able to afford all those secondary-impulse issues, like cradle-to-grave welfare. Americans sometimes don’t understand how far gone most of the rest of the developed world is down this path: In the Canadian and most Continental cabinets, the defense ministry is somewhere an ambitious politician passes through on his way up to important jobs like the health department. I don’t think Don Rumsfeld would regard it as a promotion if he were moved to Health & Human Services.
The design flaw of the secular social-democratic state is that it requires a religious-society birth rate to sustain it. Post-Christian hyper-rationalism is, in the objective sense, a lot less rational than Catholicism or Mormonism. Indeed, in its reliance on immigration to ensure its future, the European Union has adopted a twenty-first-century variation on the strategy of the Shakers, who were forbidden from reproducing and thus could only increase their numbers by conversion. The problem is that secondary- impulse societies mistake their weaknesses for strengths—or, at any rate, virtues—and that’s why they’re proving so feeble at dealing with a primal force like Islam.
Read it all.
Interested, & Granny read the whole article, it is great and more of an Issue for our European visitors to JW then to America.
"The refined antennae of western liberals mean that, whenever one raises the question of whether there will be any Italians living in the geographical zone marked as Italy a generation or three hence, they cry, “Racism!” To fret about what proportion of the population is “white” is grotesque and inappropriate. But it’s not about race, it’s about culture. If 100 percent of your population believes in liberal pluralist democracy, it doesn’t matter whether 70 percent of them are “white” or only 5 percent are. But, if one part of your population believes in liberal pluralist democracy and the other doesn’t, then it becomes a matter of great importance whether the part that does is 9 percent of the population or only 60, 50, 45 percent"
"According to a poll taken in 2004, over 60 percent of British Muslims want to live under sharia—in the United Kingdom. If a population “at odds with the modern world” is the fastest-breeding group on the planet—if there are more Muslim nations, more fundamentalist Muslims within those nations, more and more Muslims within non-Muslim nations, and more and more Muslims represented in more and more transnational institutions—how safe a bet is the survival of the “modern world”?"
"will the dying European races understand that the only legacy that matters is whether the peoples who will live in those lands after them are reconciled to pluralist, liberal democracy? It’s the demography, stupid. And, if they can’t muster the will to change course, then “what do you leave behind?” is the only question that matters."
Do you still consider the BNP to be a greater threat them Islam?
Stop Islam first and you will de-fang the BNP!
Bored
Bored to death?
From my perspective that's very sad. I hope the British people of all races don't feel the same.
I don't consider the BNP to be a greater threat than Islam at present. However, they are not the answer to the problem of Islam in Britain, and they are evil white supremacists who would "encourage" "voluntary" repatriation of some very close friends. Some of their supporters also attacked someone very dear to me. You don't get Liberal Democrat supporters doing that kind of thing.
I've said all I've got to say on the subject of those disgusting racists.
It is true that Muslims don't practice birth control like the majority of westerners. In the future, Muslims will gain more power in the west because westerners are choosing to not have as many children as Muslim families. Muslims will become more populous in the west because they are having larger families.
This will have significant consequences in the future.
El Cid,
I don't think the BNP is the solution to the
problem of Muslims in the UK, nor do I think they
can be reformed in anything like the short
amount of time that is needed. The BNP are far
worse than Le Pen.
Lots of Hindus, Sikhs, Chinese, and others
appear to have integrated well into the UK and
aren't demanding their own state. Muslims are the
problem. The BNP would have you believe that skin
color is the root of the problem. What's the
British expession here? Balderdash?
What our UK readers need is either a brand
new party or an intelligent leader in one of the
existing parties. Perhaps they can tell us if
anyone fits the bill.
If the hosts die, the parasites must eventually succomb, too. Welcome back to the stone age.
This may get VERY deep or at least very confusing but bear with me.
Why do we not begin to truly poison Islams well?
Why not aggressivly force adherent leaders of Islam to prove the existence of their Islamic god? Force them to prove the dynamics of their perfect faith against the smartest anti-Islam scholars in conjunction with wide public coverage. If they cannot defeat the anti-Islam scholars, then declare Islam to be a false faith. If Islamic leaders refuse to debate the foundations of Islam, it's prophet and deism, trample their Islamic honor with the truth. Make them feel throughly subdued by intellect. Force them on pain of permanent damage to Islam to come out of their holes and fight us - mind to mind. Logic to logic.
Disprove the existence of "Allah" through philosophical debate, re-enforce literature citing the moral failure of the Koran and Sunna and humiliate Islamic leaders in front of their followers. Humiliate the Muslims in a full frontal attack of civil discourse for the sole purpose of bringing about mass apostasy. A perfectly bloodless attack on the part of the "infidel".
Here's the rub, to a lesser degree, casualties could also include Christianity and Judaism. I for one believe that spirituality and science WILL reconcile each other in time but certain aspects of all faiths would be directly abrogated in the process. Islam in particular cannot survive these kinds of attacks. No paradigm shift is ever easy buy why not prefer this over dhimmitude? Our greatest failure may not be the loss of our modern civilizations, it would be that one day, our descendants heads may sit upon their backs.
The sooner Islam is attacked outright, the better. To believe that ancient texts of our faiths are the end all be all of our reality is ignorant and foolhardy. Already a vast majority of both Christians, Buddhists, Jews and Hindus have "strayed" from the more traditional dogmatism of their faiths and have focused more on the spirituality. To practice anyone of these biblical texts to an orthodox and literal degree would be insane...just like orthodox Islam. We would be hard pressed to find an equal number of Christian, Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist followers willing to spread their faith by violent or deceptive assault. Why? Modern morality.
Common denominators are coming to the surface of these faiths and these common points among us should be embraced. To propose that my god is bigger than your god is starting to sound more and more like nonsense every day. Spiritual unification can only bring true peace, so why not find it and slam the door shut on orthodox Islam?
Why not renounce, shame and destroy the ritual aspect of Islam to their faces? It would go far in discouraging jihadi recruits. If Islam can be relegated to the status of Greek mythology, believing that a bordello of celestial whores awaits you on the other side of a detonation switch wold be considered idiocy. To follow Islam mindlessly would mean that the joke is on you the Muslim.
We are running out of time and we are heading for a showdown with Islam. I fear that Islam will only set our world back thousands of years if it continues to be a fashion for ignorant human beings. Destroy it's dogmatic, ritualistic guidelines and Islam will be crippled beyond repair. Da'wa will only bring humorous remarks in time as does Jehovah's witnesses when they come calling to our door steps. Let Muslims multiply beyond our numbers, they'll only suffer a geopolitical crash that they cannot control in civil societies unwilling to support a family of 10 children. Allow the burden to fall on their shoulders as it is rightly the price they should pay for believing the lie of desert thug and his make believe friend "Allah".
Deeper down the rabbit hole.
Newtonian physics only describes the material aspects of this world and does nothing to reconcile itself with spirituality. This form of science has nothing to do with spirituality and people shouldn't base their of science v.s. spirituality arguments based upon equally ancient sciences.
On the other hand, quantum physics has made significant inroads in describing both the super material and deeply immaterial aspect of our reality. This too cannot quantify our conscious sentience yet quantum physics does much to outline potential theories of our deeply immaterial inner lives. Has anyone ever tried to measure the volume, weight or mass of a thought? You can't because a thought is not there...yet it is thought that has created our world and allows self-determinism. Freedom of choice is a direct yearning of our immaterial minds and therefore, self-determinism is natural. Islam will not defeat this anymore than the Vatican can defeat the theory of evolution. The immaterial within each sentient being reading this blog is the engine that has shaped our material world in profound and massive ways. I know this can be deep and sometimes disjointed stuff but to discount our greater realities can only serve our enemies.
Why should we not build new foundations of greater ethics and morality based upon the common denominators of all world faiths? Why can we not begin to reconcile the true spirituality we hold dearly with super science? Why not unify and rally a world majority through targeted education to inoculate future generations against the spread of Islam. Ultimately, this spiritual bloc could not only outrun Islam, but annihilate Islam as a faith and repaint it for what it is. Islamic Mythology.
Already, Muslims cannot defeat the Kafir on the battle field, defeat them in the game if winning hearts and minds by rationally humiliating their faith and they will be cornered.
Checkmate.
Political parties such as the BNP thrive because there is no party or a strong leader in the Western countries to counter the threat of ISLAM.
Islam is the curse of the 21st century to have infiltrated into the Christian/Secular West. If leaders who see this threat to the future of civilization are not forthcoming; the ordinary citizens fed up with what is happening will turn to parties such as the BNP in the UK. (My enemy's enemy is my friend)
The need of the hour are strong leaders who can understand and be forceful to STOP Muslim immigrants coming in to the EU and begin deporting any or all Muslims who want sharia law and all that 7th century garbage. Until that time there will be sympathizers for parties such as the BNP.
Fantastic piece of work from Mr. Steyn. I laughed. I cried. Bravo.
Happy new year JW!
Another very important article from Mr. Steyn emphasizing how far the Jihad has progressed in Europe, the question is what do we do now.
What our UK readers need is either a brand
new party or an intelligent leader in one of the
existing parties. Perhaps they can tell us if
anyone fits the bill.
Posted by: American
This is a good question American but one the British on this site seem unable to answer, they are good at telling you though that the British National Party isn’t the right choice. I maintain as much as I can a close eye on the political scene of my former country and as far as I can see absolutely no one except maybe (kilroy Silk) a former Tory MP and now TV host has had anything like the courage to speak out against the muzzies and he got crushed for doing so. All the main stream parties the Anglican Church even the universities (last I heard they were boycotting Israeli academia) have become dhimmi slaves.
What the majority of Europeans especially the British and French don’t seem to realize is that they are engaged in a war and a war they are loosing badly. It is all very well to make witty remarks on JW, but that isn’t going to help you in the long run. I am afraid that the gloves have to come off, the only way they are going to beat the demographic war is make life as uncomfortable as possible for the Islamic hordes. How do you achieve this social change in the short time that is left (and it is a very short time). I believe the only solution is for the Europeans to vote in the nationalist parties.
Do you still consider the BNP to be a greater threat them Islam?
Stop Islam first and you will de-fang the BNP!
Posted by: El Cid Yes
I couldn’t agree more with you El Cid, but it appears that the Europeans are going to have to fight with one arm tied behind their backs because people are worried about their social life and upsetting people’s feelings. Maybe we should just let them be subjugated; it will be easier to deal with an Islamic Europe rather than a socialist multicultural one crippled by PC.
I don't consider the BNP to be a greater threat than Islam at present. However, they are not the answer to the problem of Islam in Britain, and they are evil white supremacists who would "encourage" "voluntary" repatriation of some very close friends. Some of their supporters also attacked someone very dear to me. You don't get Liberal Democrat supporters doing that kind of thing.
I've said all I've got to say on the subject of those disgusting racists.
Posted by: Interested
Interested if you don’t even have the courage to debate your options on a forum like JW how are you going to engage the Jihadists? And by the way Liberal Democrats are up to their necks in selling Europe out to the muzzies and on the scale of things this is far worse.
Km - it is not a question of courage, it is a question of boredom. Granny W and I have posted here countless times, bringing evidence of violence, inflammatory language, some from personal experience, plus explicit white supremacist policy statements from the horse's mouth.
If you are happy with a whites only, white supremacist party, then perhaps you should have the courage of your own convictions and say so. And perhaps join the Klu Klux Klan.
Robert Kilroy-Silk is a former Labour MP, not Tory MP who was removed from his job at I think the Daily Express for daring to write a true piece about Arabs.
If you are happy with a whites only, white supremacist party, then perhaps you should have the courage of your own convictions and say so. And perhaps join the Klu Klux Klan.
Posted by: Interested
Intersted you are missing the point, I would not be happy with a white supremacist party any more than you would. However if you only buy half of what Mark Steyn says and what is posted on this web site then you have to realise that you are in serious trouble and you have to do something about it.
During the Second World War we allied our selves with the communists who were just as bad maybe even worse than the Nazis were, yet necessity required that we fight along side them.
Mainland Europe is probably in better shape than the UK at the moment in terms of a nationalist movement so until a British version of Le Pen or Pym Fortune comes along I dont see what other options you have.
Why dont you name us some political movemnts in the UK that has even mentioned the problem of this war other than the BNP. I am sure we would all get behind them, hell I would vote for them.
Why dont you accept that you are at war and start thinking about yours and your friends survival. Do you think that you will fair better under the sword of Islam, than the goverment of the BNP. Infact I dont think you even need to vote the BNP into power, if enough people just protest voted then the other parties might start to get the message and do something.
Spirit of 1683 thanks for the correction, I assume that fellow is no longer a labour MP. My god I bet Tonies chronies went balistic after he wrote that article. I just wish there was more politicians like him over there, maybe then we wouldnt need to have this converastion at all.
....the goverment of the BNP.
You said on an earlier thread that once the BNP had done what they were elected to do they could then be voted out. I expect the people of Germany thought something similar in 1933.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Nazi_Germany_dictatorship.htm
From which site I quote "When Hitler was appointed in January 1933, Germany was a democracy. Germany had fair elections; nobody had their right to vote abused; there were numerous political parties.."
Km said;
Why dont you name us some political movemnts in the UK that has even mentioned the problem of this war other than the BNP. I am sure we would all get behind them, hell I would vote for them.
Well if you live in the UK and you're concerned about British values then you should vote Conservative, not Neo-Nazi! For you Americans Some quotations from BNP Leadership
David Cameron [Leader of the British Conservative Party], Speech at the Foreign Policy Centre, 24 August 2005
DrunkenB - interesting. "Burn the Paki"? Not racist at all. Nothing to see here, move along now.
Demography, per se, is meaningless in a natural world of pandemics, especially when those breeding out of control are unscientific, superstitious blockheads.
Without sanitation, vaccination and education, all they'll achieve is a more crowded leper colony.
Encouraging reverse immigration (with incentives: e.g. "Free tickets to Mecca!") and setting up strict controls on future immigrants ("Do they believe in a free society or are they a fifth column for a theocratic tyranny?") are more to the point than worrying about birthrates. (If you don't let them into your country, who cares how many inbred imbeciles they have in the hinterlands of their's?)
All huge population growth in Islam means is: more starvation, disease, war, chaos and ignorance bred in the sinkholes of stupidity and poverty that will result.
Let them stew in it!
Maybe the pain will awaken their instincts and make the grand illusions of the Koran finally turn to ashes in their sanctimonious mouths,
We need to stop bailing out their idiocies and stop feeding their follies.
And keep our Research dry.
(As well as our wit.)
Robert Kilroy-Silk hasn't been an MP for about 20 years, and David Cameron blotted his copybook by voting against the 90-day detention bill for terror suspects (the poor dears' rights come above the rights of innocent citizens not to be blown up by them). He is simply soft on terrorism and terror suspects and doesn't give the impression of having a great understanding of Islam. More to the point, the views of four Tory MPs weren't very encouraging - they agreed with the Muslim view that our society was decadent.
As for that article, it made a very sobering read, and given the fact that 60% plus of British Muslims want to live under Sharia law - a percentage that is likely to increase rather than decrease, and given the fact that the 3% Muslim population in Britain today gives birth to 8% of the babies, that tells us that the Muslim population will be something like 7-8% of the UK population by the 2031 census, and probably 15-20% before 2060. The Balkanisation and Islamification of Britain will be well under way by the time todays toddlers reach maturity, and a simple projection I did on a spreadsheet for the population of France suggested a Muslim majority population in 2071.
Granny I agree with you and I am well aware of what happened in 1930's Germany. However I think and I am sure you will agree the situation now is much more serious.
Look what Hitler managed to achieve with the small numbers who supported his ideology. Now fast forward 70 years and look at the numbers of Muslims now resident in the EU, this doesn’t even include the imminent arrival of Turkey and other 5th columnists who are on their side i.e. G.Galloway dhimmi of the year 2005. I stand by my previous statements that you/we are at war and loosing badly.
Europe as a whole needs to start taking decisive action. That is an Ok little quote from David Cameron but does not mention the Jihad at all, why vote for someone that doesn’t even have the courage to stand up and name the problem, if you have to keep reading between the lines the window of opportunity in which to do something is going to close. Here in the US it has taken time but our politicians now accept this is a war against Islam.
On a different note, what do you think will be the consequence of following through on David Cameron’s little speech at the Foreign Policy Center (if he is actually saying what we want to hear). Do you really think you can convince the muselman into giving up his religion to share in our democratic values?
I am afraid I don’t have that much faith; if you are going to stop the Islamic menace you are literally going to have to physically remove it from your presence. That is going to be a bloody affair, not just with the Islamists themselves but also with all the Islamoappologists. I am just not sure that the conservatives have the fortitude to do such a thing. Bring back Thatcher (the last PM I voted for in the UK) and you may have a chance.
I am trying to raise the issue here that drastic times call for drastic measures. I can see that a vote for the BNP is playing with fire but again there is little time in which to mount an effective counter offensive. And it is a sad state of affairs if the only choice available is the Neo-Nazi BNP or the PC crippled conservative party. I am afraid I no longer live in the UK but we are all engaged in a zero sum game where the only solution is total victory or total defeat. I have not voted in any UK elections for many years but I will be now and I want to put my vote where I think it is going to be the most useful.
Granny you have mentioned previously that your local PM (I assume conservative) is actively engaged in tackling the Jihad menace. Where might I find out what he has to say on the issue? I still have family back in the UK I would like to do as much as possible to stop the Islamic march in the UK and their fall into dhimmitude.
The Balkanisation and Islamification of Britain will be well under way by the time todays toddlers reach maturity, and a simple projection I did on a spreadsheet for the population of France suggested a Muslim majority population in 2071.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683
That is indeed a very scary and sad proposition and the other information in your post doesn’t fill me with confidence either when it comes to the conservative party of the 21st century. Therefore what is the solutionis it to be rampant nationalism or dhimmitude?
Spirit are you resident in the UK? What is the mood like there on the streets, I have given up trying to guess anything from reading Al-beeb, is there any sign that the people are prepared to stand up and do anything?
Racism is cancerous. It is also a weapon that Islam would wield against us. One need look no further that western prisons and the recruitment of "disenfranchised" men of colour.
We can and must combat it, always informing people about Islam's allowance (and continued) slavery of white men, black men and others. Islamic countries are also racist as well, a fact often overlooked (and perhaps unknown) in the west.
km,
That's a good point that one could consider
voting BNP, not with the intention that they'd
win, but that they'd influence the other parties.
I could never do that though, I have friends who
are black, and Hindu/Indian, and Chinese, and
Jewish, etc., and if I were a similar minded Brit
I'd never be able to explain that vote if I made
it. I get the logic, and the statistics, but at
some level you need to think of right and wrong,
and the BNP are just wrong.
It isn't an either-or proposition. As others
have pointed out, the conservatives in the UK
have some leaders who might move things in the
right direction.
Wasn't it a black African Anglican minister
who made some plaintive remarks lately about
British people not valuing their own culture?
He's right, the problem isn't that mohammadans
reject British (and Western) culture, but that
the British themselves do.
Frankly, I find Mark Steyn's article terrifying, especially as he seems to be quite right about the current attitudes towards pensions, health care, etc.
And of course, what will happen here in Europe in the next fifty years will also happen in North America in the fifty years after that, so don’t get too complacent over there.
It will be a worldwide descent into a new Dark Ages, not just European. And this time there will be no technological revolution to follow, because all of the easily accessed ores and coal seams have already gone.
The Islamic Millennium to come will be the end, not only of Western civilization but also of all hope for humanity. Forever.
Move over, dinosaurs; make room for mankind.
quantum infidel,
The way to discredit Islam is to discredit the Koran, by subjecting it to the type of critical analysis the Bible underwent in 19th century Germany. This type of criticism has been published by ibn Warraq and Luxenburg, but there has to be more, much more, and from prominent scholars and institutions that do not have to use pseudonyms.
(A bit OT, but if the Mohammed cartoons had not been published in Denmark's most widely read newspaper, Muslim organizations would not be bothering with their monologues of outrage and offers to teach the "correct" way to cover Islamic topics...they would have just blown up the office of the offending journos.)
By sheer coincidence, the Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal just decided to donate $20 million apiece to Harvard and Georgetown, to "advance the study of Islam", with no preconditions or oversight on his part. That's the story being peddled to the public, anyway. Maybe I'm guilty of willful naivete, but both universities should be challenged to use this money for real research that lays bare the earthly origins and internal contradictions of the Koran.
Mark Styen's article is scary - especially when you have little young one's as I do. Thank God Australia and the USA are 20 years behind the trendy, self destructing EU. Maybe we will wake up - vain thought I know.
My kids will learn Chinese, which will come in handy one day to escape Sharia Australia (maybe from the frying pan into the fire, but it would sure as hell beat the Islamic furnace!)
As for Styen saying that some reckon and Islamic Europe will be easier to "manage" - that is bull dust!
An Islamic Europe, armed with Western military "toys" and nuke technology, well do you really think that Euroarabia won't "play" with them ASAP?? And guess who they will want to "play" with - the Great Satan, Israel (first and foremost will be the first to "go")and her allies - Australia (at least for now - as for how long Australia will be an ally of the USA with only 60% of Aussie population who is actually born here; and even less of that population who remember how the Yanks saved our bacon in WW2 with the Japanese, how long? Most of the "Australian Muslims" here HATE the USA more than those from "the Left").
If we had hindsight about this Eurarabia eventuating in WW2, well it would have been easier to deal with the Nazi's domination of Europe than the Muslims. The Muslims will make Hitler and Stalin look like a pussycat.
In a way it's VERY ironic what Styen points out. That the most SELFISH generation EVER - the BABY BOOMERS who gave us:-
1) Bloody high taxes and incredibly high property taxes making it near impossible for their own kids to start families - adding to the demographic decline, after all we "selfish" gen X'ers have to pay for their social security programs somehow??
2) “Peace man - not war” when they were young in the 60's and 70's; along with any other religion so long as it wasn't Christianity (in other words - anything so long as it isn't Western) , and oh, “our country isn’t worth dying for – now, where is a Viet Vet, I want to spit and abuse somebody???”
3) Now that they are older, and they control 2/5ths of wealth in Australia it seems that all their 60's/70's anti-capitalist rhetoric has gone out the window, they demand higher taxes from their kids to pay for their lifestyle, Medicare, etc while selling off their own assets to live like kings and leave no inheritance for their kids (adding to their kids future Dhimmi status - this seems to go even for the Boomers wanting to leave a country for their kids/grandkids), these baby Boomers who dominate politics and education today in Australia, let in millions of immigrants to keep the economy ticking over and hence increase their wealth, regardless of the Islamic threat (after all, they'll be long gone, so why care?? We X'ers and Y's are just 'late term' - well very 'late term abortions' waiting to happen at the hand of the Islamists). And they have the hide to call generation X and Y selfish????
4) The generation who gave us indiscriminate, "all cultures are equal multi-culturalism" - "peace man - John Lennon is my hero", will soon find out that when they are old
and need somebody to empty their bed pans, that the Muslim health care policy will be to not only remove their bedpans (well some infidel Dhimmi kid/grandkid of a infidel baby boomer will do the bed pan) but the Muslim peace lover will also remove their heads. Oh well, they always wanted euthanasia!!!
Yep the "Peace Man" baby boomers will surely be remembered - by the Muslims, as the generation that created the environment for Dar Al Islam in the West. What a legacy! At least the Saudi's will forgive our foreign debt down the track when we are Islamic!! The Boomers always wanted a revolution - looks like they are going to give us X'ers and Y's an Islamic one! Yipee!!!
It isn't an either-or proposition. As others
have pointed out, the conservatives in the UK
have some leaders who might move things in the
right direction.
Posted by: American
I would like to think so as well but the point I am trying to make is that we are fast running out of time in which to do something. I would be much happier if a new Churchill would step forward from the Tory ranks and tackle the Islamic invasion, however I don’t see anything happening at the moment.
Therefore I am advocating the BNP option not because I want to see the BNP in power but because I think that should a significant number of people vote for them it will jolt the other political parties into action. I see no other effective option availiable at the moment.
War is a dirty and unpleasent business and it often asks of us things that we find at odds with our own convictions and moral standards, but we have to do them because if we dont the end result is much worse than the action we had to take in the first place.
Support for the BNP in England, or for Le Pen in France, even if undertaken as a gesture not of real support, but to jolt the other parties, is unlikely to work. What it will do is alienate those who should be allies, including all those excluded from the BNP precisely because it has made clear that it is a "whites-only" affair.
It is tragic that the respectable parties do not recognize, and therefore do not offer, as yet, candidates who will tell the truth about the menace of Islam. But in France Philippe De Villiers is such a candidate, no longer quite the seeming monarchist (the kind who refuses to sing "La Marseillaise" but may offer a bar or two of Queen Hortense's Third-Empire "En partant pour la Syria" or "Le chant du depart"). And perhaps in England someone -- Kirby-Smith, or someone as yet unknown to most of us outside of England -- will, having studied the matter, offer an acceptable alternative.
The worst possible thing would be to allow Muslims and their collaborators to paint those opposed to them as racists or fascists. This would be particularly infuriating, even intolerable, given that Islam is both fascist in its essential nature (see Ibn Warraq's essay on this by googling "Islam, Middle East, and Fascism") and
Opposition to Islam should be based on its totalitarian nature, its fascism, the danger it poses to all who reject a Total Regulation of Life, a Complete Explanation of the Universe, and who think painting, sculpture, music, literature (what literary work come out of Islam of lasting value, save for those that appeared not because of, but despite Islam?), and science.
Many things can and should be done. It was tolerant, wise, learned, completely un-fascistic Benes and Masaryk who found nothing wrong in 1946, in order to preserve Czech security, to expel overnight 3.5 million Sudeten Germans. And no one of sense then, or now, in Czechoslovakia or outside Czechoslovakia, finds fault with their decision. It made sense then, given the behavior of the Germans, and of the fifth column role that so many Sudeten Germans had played.
How much stronger the case for ending all Muslim immigration into the Infidel lands, ending all outside financial support for mosques and madrasas, encouraging public and private efforts to make Infidels safer, and far less accommodating, to those who wish them ill, who are taught by an all-embracing belief-sytem to wish them ill, and finally, to consider carefully whether or not the Benes and Masaryk undertaking of 1946 is not far more justified today (for in 1946 Germany lay in ruins) and far more is at stake. For it is not only we Infidels who are threatened, but the entire civilizational legacy, inherited but not merited, and not created, by us, that is threatened. Look at the Muslim countries. Look at what Islam teaches. Look at the history of Islamic conquest. How could a sensible person not begin to ponder all sorts of measures of perfectly legitimate self-defense?
Any embrace of the BNP or Le Pen will only allow Muslims to paint their opposition falsely. Just look at how this website, and how Robert Spencer, are depicted at Wikipedia and elsewhere? We all know how sensible this website is -- but do others?
And in being given the means to paint those aware of the Muslim menace as fascists, the Muslims conducting Da'wa and engaged in demographic conquest will have gained valuable time -- and the Infidels will have lost it.
No time can be lost.
Unlike Mark Steyn, I think there are all sorts of things that can be done, should be done. Many of them have been repeatedly listed here, over the past three years.
Bewailing simply will not do. Identifying the problem, and then figuring out the thousand possible acts of omission (getting out of Iraq) and commission (beginning a campaign of mass pedagogy so that Infidels may learn about Islam, but not the way those Mosque Outreach Programs want them to learn) that can be engaged in right away. And preparing the mental ground for planting certain seeds, including those imported from Czechoslovakia.
Km, you are so right, their is no time and we are behind.
I'm shocked at the complacency! of Interested and to a lesser extent Granny
Their fear of the BNP, though valid is to great extent yesterdays issue.
Today the problem is Islam.
What is very sad is that it takes a Neo-Nazi type party to address the problems of Demographics and Islamization.
I have never suggested that Interested or anyone in UK, support the BNP, what I have been saying is that they should support the valid issue that the BNP have hijacked and to separate the Neo-Nazi's from the rank and file that are just looking for an alternative and alternative.
Interested and the other UK posters have not indicated what political party can de-fang the BNP or fight back in the limited time that is left.
This valid conversation on what are they going to do. and who are they going to support has been described as boring. And even the issues that the BNP has co-opted, which are valid, are avoided. (the issues I refer are the one's that deal with Islam not some far fetch racial policy.)
Boring! while your country is quickly slipping away!
Bored! will the Islamist burrow deeper into your countries institutions and elites.
If it is true, that even if those who visit this site, and have a basic anti-dihimmi mind set, can't take positive action to rock the boat, shake things up, then there is little hope left.
I SAY TO THEM, WAKE UP. SHAKE THINGS UP, VOTE IN PROTEST FOR THE BNP OR THE DEVIL HIMSELF BUT DO SOMETHING!
Hugh, a sensible argument! One that has made me pause and reflect.
The legitimacy of this site is paramount and allowing it to be tarnished would be self-defeating.
Perhaps, it is hard for someone brought up in America, even one with strong european roots, to understand the stifling lack of free speech and the passivity of what is going on in Europe.
Maybe my own personal experience with American style political action - on a local level in New York - dosn't allow me to see that things might work a little differently in
England.
I have never made an endorsement of the BNP, and in the future for the sake of this sites credibility I will refrain from mentioning them.
Now Brits, get going your work is cut out for you.
May I suggest a site with the same backing and money as Stop BNP, call it Stop Islam.
Those pushing the BNP should have a look at the Australian situation with the riots recently, and then also look in their own Pommy back yard. Parties like the BNP only SERVE Muslim interests.
For instance, the White Australia Policy history has been used by the Multi-Culturalists types to say:
"look we are big evil white imperialists - lets right the wrongs of the past by substituting our own evil culture for that of Multi-culture"
- reverse self inflicted racsim.
Anyone who disagrees is a "racist". Even though the White Australia Policy may have had good intentions (to protect our Anglo/European based culture), it was a bloody stupid way of going about it, that only gave those who hate Christian/Western based civilization ammo in the future (predominantly the anti Christian socialist/communist/humanist types who saw it as a way of watering down the Christian influence in this country – see Gough Whitlam, Paul Keating, Bob Hawke). Through this "racist" card, that the do gooders in politics used to buy voting blocks and secure their seats (and has since been used by the conservative Liberal Party for similar reasons), and that big business has endorsed as it creates more consumers in what is really a "false economy" (consumers don't produce - just consume and make big business rich, and the masses indebted to them = slaves) - we have created a self perpetuating monster. The "West" in Australia could have easily been protected by importing people (whatever the colour of their skin) who support Christianity, secularism and even some of our old pagan rites. Culture is of the mind - it is not just about food and clothing. The White Australia advocates didn't realise this in their Darwinian based ideas of origins. Hence the racist policy, that is now being used against our own culture to no end.
At the Cronulla riots, thanks to the presence of a few white nazi types - the whole incident has been painted up as a "racist" incident - when it couldn't be further from the truth. These neo Nazi types have done more to help Islam in Australia than those idiots could have ever imagined.
If the BNP get huge voting power - it will degenerate the conflict into one of race - when clearly it is not. The media will jump on board with the Islamic apologists and cry "racist!!". Immigration will be increased just to prove that self-hating Britain is not "racist". The Muslims in the immigration office will allow in a majority of Muslims. The problem grows.
What the West needs are politicians who will speak the truth about Islam, and not the lie that "Islam is Peace". This is a war of people's minds, territory comes a distant second. Imagine if politicians on ALL SIDES led the debate and spoke the truth? How many current Muslims stuck in Mulla Land in their ghetto's would break off their Islamic shackles in our countries? If we made it easy for them to leave (give them new names and identities and protect them from Fatwa, murder loving Peace Loving Muslims) I say millions of them would leave.
By doing this we would secure our countries, and then also have the people's support to undertake baggage like Iraq (which was doomed from the start when our leaders say "Islam is Peace").
Voting in racist parties will in the long run, give more help to the Islamic take over of England than help it. After the BNP gets elected and then discredited - and they will - regardless of guilt-> (see the Pauline Hanson/One Nation debacle in Australia) the Islamists will claim underdog status, and win the gullible public support as such. It will also be a major long term win for the major parties (as in the One Nation case in Australia) as the masses start to lose faith in small parties. This then allows the apathy of the dominant major parties to continue unabated, while the Islamic infiltration and corruption of these parties continues.
No, what the West needs is non-racist politicians willing to speak the truth (but that won't happen as politicians in England and Australia are generally lawyers/professionals/ex public servants/ trade unionists etc - they never put their lives on the line as they live for luxury, money and power - the USA is a different kettle of fish altogether with a proud history of ex-military men being great political leaders - one can only hope). The BNP will only aid the Islamists.
Any embrace of the BNP or Le Pen will only allow Muslims to paint their opposition falsely. Just look at how this website, and how Robert Spencer, are depicted at Wikipedia and elsewhere? We all know how sensible this website is -- but do others?
Posted by: Hugh
A very valid point Hugh and one that will be duly noted.
El Cid I to am shocked at the complacency of Interested and Granny particularly when they have yet to come up with any other credible solutions. If that is the best that the UK has to offer in terms of resistance to the Jihad then I think all might be lost for the UK.
Also Hugh I am not sure that we have the time that you think we have to educate the people to the dangers that we are all facing. Not that you are wrong in your proposals and not that we shouldnt be doing everything with in our own sphere of influence to spread the message that Islamofascism is a problem for all in the west, but I think the few people that are sitting up and taking notice just isn’t enough for the moment. What is the hit count for this site by the way?
In addition we are already involved in a global conflict so I am not sure I buy into the disengagement argument from Iraq. Our military presence there is going to be crucial in the coming years maybe even this year if the Iran nuclear issue reaches boiling point.
And preparing the mental ground for planting certain seeds, including those imported from Czechoslovakia.
Posted by: Hugh
I couldn’t agree more with you on the last point, the Czech solution is the only one that is going to work in the long term but it is going to be a long bloody affair when it starts. The sooner Europe wakes up the less disruptive it is going to be.
posted above :
"At the Cronulla riots, thanks to the presence of a few white nazi types - the whole incident has been painted up as a "racist" incident - when it couldn't be further from the truth. These neo Nazi types have done more to help Islam in Australia than those idiots could have ever imagined."
Nazism and Islam are natural allies...after all, they have the same 'boss'.
And perhaps what happened at Cronulla was deliberately engineered to discredit the otherwise peacefull show of Aussie solidarity.
I know very little about the BNP except what the British posters here have said about it. I have no reason to doubt that they know what they are talking about. But----I read an article about the BNP the other day, or rather an interview, and if I were to base my opinions solely on that, the BNP doesn't sound bad at all. I am terrible about remembering names but a high-ranking spokesman for the BNP was interviewed. He did not sound like a racist and said that the BNP's platform had been completely restructured and that they were trying very hard to establish credibility and discard their "racist" image. It sounded good, but who knows?
I think everyone should think twice before making rash comparisons between today's "right-wing" politicians and the infamous tyrants of yesteryear. Nobody wants another Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot except about 60% of American academia, (excluding Hitler and maybe Pol Pot) since all of their heroes are communist dictators. But whenever a brave, uncorrupted politician steps up and boldly states the obvious: "Islam is destroying Europe and something must be done", the citizenry goes ballistic and compares him/her to a supremecist, racist, genocidal tyrant.
Today's dilemma is unique; there is no historical precedent that comes to mind. Therefore, it serves no purpose to compare today's situation with Hitler's aspirations, or Stalin's, or any other historical debacles that are completely unrelated and dissimilar. The West has permitted its mortal enemies to invade its territories in the name of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism remains a misunderstood concept to many people; it is not what many believe it to be. Our biggest enemies are our own leaders.
Therefore, new, bold, innovative leaders are Europe's (and America's) only hope but considering the strong-hold of the EU, even they may be powerless to effect the radical changes and measures required to turn the tides. I finally figured out why George Bush is so adamant about Turkey joining the EU and why he is such an EU advocate. I can't believe it took me so long to see the obvious, but I guess it was inconceivable to me that he was complicit in the New World Order crusade, with his feigned contempt for the UN and his determination to name Bolton ambassador. Bush has his devious side, no doubt. His agenda should have been obvious to all Americans when he refused to protect our borders and openly welcomed hordes of illegal aliens. Our borders will soon cease to exist and it appears that we won't have to wait for the muslims to abolish our Constitution; I guess he wanted us to get used to these concepts before they become official.
Ironically, it may just be the far left anti-globalists who inadvertently and for the wrong reasons stave off the inevitable NWO for a few years. It's hard to imagine that the whacko commies in South America might deliver us from the UN, the CFR, and the neo-cons!
The cherished vision of the world's elites advances right under our noses, and with the help and cooperation of Congress, we cede a little more of our sovereignty to the NWO every year. If all goes as planned, in four years there will be a North American EU, a very big step closer to the cherished, ultimate goal. Islam is a menace and a threat which will get worse every day, but it's not the only threat to our freedom and our way of life. It is quite possible that in our lifetime, we will be governed by unelected bureaucrats from other countries just like Europe is. We probably won't live long enough to experience the utopian ecstacy of the Main Event, but that is fine with me. Enjoy your liberty while you have it because domestic spying, the Patriot Act, and all the other infringements on freedom we are allegedly suffering now are nothing compared to what lies ahead.
From American "Wasn't it a black African Anglican minister who made some plaintive remarks lately about British people not valuing their own culture?"
Yes it was Dr John Sentamu, the Ugandan born Archbishop of York (a very big cheese in the Church of England) who said it. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1882591,00.html
From Hugh wise, practical advice ie "beginning a campaign of mass pedagogy so that Infidels may learn about Islam, but not the way those Mosque Outreach Programs want them to learn) that can be engaged in right away" Much appreciated :-)
From El Cid and 3rdtimelucky some commonsense with which I agree "The legitimacy of this site is paramount and allowing it to be tarnished would be self-defeating." Thank you both.
But km, why do you keep trying to get me to disclose information about which discretion is required? I make no secret about being a member of the Church of England; as there are 2 million of us there is a certain safety in numbers. You have now asked me twice who my MP is? If I posted that here then immediately it would be known what constituency I live in, and it would thus be a quick flip through Yellow Pages to find my church.
As a slogan "Be like Dad - keep Mum" is a bit old fashioned. But careless talk could still cost lives. I am anything but complacent.
Likewise, it is not complacency at all that determines my attitude to the BNP, simply that I am sick and tired of seeing them continually plugged on this site. I have said ad nauseam that it alienates potential readers and is bad for the site's reputation, an argument that has now been accepted because it came from Hugh.
The British posters here, ie those who actually know what they are talking about, keep coming up with evidence of violence, policy statements about re-patriation of non-whites etc, yet it falls on deaf ears.
This is why I'm bored. I'm bored with you, Km, and, to a lesser extent with you, El Cid. I wish you'd change the record.
Worth looking at, reported by the BBC and just published as a "Have your Say" topic.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4576528.stm
A book by Anthony Browne, The Retreat of Reason on the damage being done by political correctness.
The horse's mouth is The Institute for the Study of Civil Society at http://www.civitas.org.uk/
Described by the BBC as a "Right Wing" think tank, they describe themselves as "liberal" I have not had much to do with them so far but, as I said, worth a look.
And I missed this item on Christmas Day, what can I have been doing? Wasting my time in worship, cooking a huge dinner and sipping port and lemon no doubt. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4558668.stm
Civitas is a good outfit - they are liberal in the old sense of the word.
If one wishes to constrain Islam in the UK, one wonders who there is left to vote for. David Cameron, the new Conservative leader, has chosen to publicly ditch any Thatcherite legacy.
Mrs Thatcher was always portrayed terribly in the media. Yet history has proved her correct about her stance against communism and her strong arm tactics over the EEC. She also engineered the policy against terrorism which actually worked. (Hunting them down and killing them).
David Cameron has therefore accepted the politically correct notion that Thatcher was hated. She wasn't. She kept on getting reelected.
It is very un-British to vote for extremist parties, so if the BNP vote is massive, this will be a unique event in Britain, indicative of huge dissatisfaction with current ideology.
But who do you vote for?
Seems the BNP is in the process of trying to re-invent itself in order to appeal to actual voters, but agree with Interested and Granny on this one. Keep that ten foot pole handy when contemplating approach.
Granny, I thought long and hard about curtailing my opinion on this one, I don't like limits on free speech of any kind, and it is a testament of our weakness and the power of the Liberal elites that we need to curtain it on this site.
But, so be it!
Europe struggles under enormous handicaps, no gun rights - if the French had had them they wouldn't have has to cower in fear as their cities burned and the authorizes stood by.
Fear of being tared by the racist canard - reason why normal political parties don't address the issues of Islam.
I still have the image of the Korean shop keepers preventing their shops form being torched keeping the "Youths" at bay with legal firearms, till the police finally arrived.
Fear of landing in jail for saying the truth.
You can't even discuss the nature of the multiethnic policies that are transforming your societies, or put it to a vote on what limits to immigration their might be, without letting the media and the left hang the race card on you.
Hugh, I hope your right that their is time to let eduction and the normal political process evolve.
At the risk of revealing who I am I will relate my own personal experience, because I feel that, this maybe the kind of political grit that will be needed to save your country from the current Islamic wave. Let me say that I don't pretend to be a macho type, just a citizen who was scared to hell but not scared enough to do the right thing within a democracy.
Interested, you sound like a lot of the people I encountered in New York, pre-Gulliani when it was the murder capital of the world. I was told again and again that I couldn't talk about the crime problem because I would be accused of racism.
Crime just happened! Like the rain.
Crime was social economical, and any attempt to think otherwise was racist, I was accused of being a racist, which is absurd since I'm a dark skinned Hispanic.
The main street media (New York Times) printed one after another untrue and horrible article about us, so we...
1) printed our own local newspaper 10,000 copies every week!
2) put up posters hundreds and hundreds, sufered abuse.
3) handed out leaflets
4) eliminated gang graphiti from the walls and halls of buildings. very risky stuff.
When I was physically threatened, I carried legal fire arm for a while, still do at my home. Thank god for the American constitutionm and it's right to bear arms.
We organized neighborhood watches, with or without the help of the police.
We reached out to people of all races. Crime affects minorities more then white people.
Something happened in New York, I believe because of the action of thousands of grass-roots people like me, a politician of the courage, Gulliani (Republican) came to the stage.
He was defeated the first time against an African American candidate - I remember constant verbal abuse I received from fellow hispanics who didn't like the campaign posters I was putting up - but after the horrible Crown Heights riots, in which Jews were murdered on the streets by a largely black mob, he won the second time and changed New York.
Today, it is the safest city in the world, has a formidable anti-terror police force, unafraid to spy on Mosques and has stopped many terrorist attempts, in some ways better then the Feds and withstood 911.
I believe that without the participation of citizens of all races none of this would have happened. Without the same citizen action and a grassroots movement in Europe you will never find the politicians to do the right thing.
Do people in Europe have the same determination to fight back, if you are afraid of what others might say then I have my doubts.
You must be free to speak, free to carry firearms (or pepper spray) and free to vote (no unelected EU governement)
I know that this comment is more grass roots them the tenor of this site, which I believe is more educational, but here it is I share it if it might help.
Good luck.
El Cid, you have made my day. I love New York!
I am not trying to be nosy Granny, I am just trying to get a heads up on what is the best possible form of action. Maybe we can arrange a way to contact over a more private medium.
I am also saddened to hear that the C of E head count only stands at 2 million now. I guess times have moved on, but while I was in the UK the church seemed much more vibrant, but I was just a child. I actually believe that 2 mil is less than the official number of Muslims in the UK.
This again highlights to me the gravity of the situation you are facing in the UK and Europe in general. And again argues for instigating a more rapid response, anything just to get the ball rolling.
I am yet to be convinced by the options that are being posted here. They appear to me to be too little too late. Even on the Civitas website the only mention I saw of Islam is a book recommending both sides need to come to some understanding, not provoke each other, more appeasement in general and we all know how that works(on the cover there is a picture of a white dove carrying a feather over a row of minaret’s, eeeshh, although the Burqa clad Brittania on a book addressing multiculturalism might be getting more to the point).
El Cid another excellent and lucid post and I agree that most movements need to start from the ground up. However I believe the situation in the UK is such that should you even try to formally address the issue of the Islamification of Britain (printing leaflets, putting up posters) you can be arrested and imprisoned for inciting racial hatred, my introduction to the BNP came from when I read a news story on Al-beeb regarding the chairman being arrested for predicting a home grown terrorist attack.
From what I see the left and the multi-cultists have everyone pretty much pinned down. The good people of the UK are currently in their death throes unless we can get in there and start shaking things up.
Granny what about the possibility of an organized movement that can actively search through planning applications to stop the building of mosques, you know tie them up at the planning stage, this might be a good start.
I also still believe there is merit in shocking the other parties into action at the electoral box. Time is running out people, for evil to triumph all it takes is for good people to do nothing.
"Granny what about the possibility of an organized movement that can actively search through planning applications to stop the building of mosques, you know tie them up at the planning stage, this might be a good start."
Now that idea does have merit! I know that there have been concerted objections in Dudley in the Midlands about a proposed new mosque and surrounding "islamic village". That there were formal objections to something similar the artiste formerly known as Cat Stevens was funding but I cannot find the reference. There is a new very large mosque proposed in London for the Olympics which should be a prime target for such a campaign.
2 million is the figure usually quoted for regular and frequent attendance at Anglican churches in England. It does not include Church of Wales, Church of Scotland, irregular attendees who would define themselves as CE for hospital admission, or other denominations.
Britannia in a Burka is indeed a striking image.
El Cid,
Thank God we have you in America pal!
Granny, km, Interested,
As I understand it, there are quite a few
Jamaican immigrants to the UK who have an axe to
grind with the mohammadans. Any grass roots movement should make a special effort to reach
out to that community, as it can deflect the
charge of racism. It was impossible to nail Pim
Fortuyn with that charge too, you need to enlist
aid from the gay community, as there should be
many among them who can read the writing on the
wall.
I'd encourage those people who think the BNP is an acceptable party to visit their web site
and make up your own mind. I did, and it didn't
take long for me to decide.
Granny, thanks for the link. I know quite a
few nonmuslim black Africans and I think John
Sentamu is not unique amongst them. It's the
people like him that you want in your country.
Rebecca,
Here is what I think the BNP could do. They
could apologize for their "past" racism (if it really is past) and ask for forgiveness, repudiate
their whites only policy, and actively encourage
nonwhites to join. If they did that, then they
would be acceptable. Simple, isn't it?
It certainly seems to me that there are ways that people could be a lot more militant in their approach. As Hugh mentioned earlier just bemoaning everything isn’t going to get us very far.
I also heard people on this site, those from Australia talking of a general strike in response to dhimmitude in the work place. Does anyone know if that idea has progressed? A similar approach could be adapted to the UK.
Schools and PTA's might be another way to attain some leverage, e.g. find out if they serving your children halal meat, if they are be very vocal about having it removed or at least force them to offer less cruel alternatives.
What is the situation with school assemblies, when I grew up in the UK; my primary school had religious assembly 3X a week. I understood this was an actual law that had to be followed is this still the case. The local vicar also played a large role in the school; maybe pressure could be put on the clergy to increase their involvement in local schools.
Also am I right in my interpretation of events that action such as posters and fliers highlighting the dangers of multiculturalism and Islam can be used by the CPS to charge you with inciting racial hatred. If that is so is there an equivalent of the ACLU in the UK that could be used to challenge that law in the courts under free speech laws?
If you can flier people I would certainly like to make a donation to the cost of printing some fliers as I am sure many people who post on this website would, do you know if anyone is organizing anything like this.
Halal meat - on the case. http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/content/redbridge/recorder/news/story.aspx?brand=RECOnline&category=newsIlford&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsilford&itemid=WeED10%20Nov%202005%2010%3A43%3A40%3A240
School Assemblies - we have a dedicated youth/child team that does just that. But other parishes are not so lucky, or well organised and it is an area that needs attention.
Flyers - El Cid has already described the sort of thing that is being done on 3 continents.
km, amongst people I know, I reckon Islam awareness is starting to penetrate and a few people do see it as a threat to everything we love and cherish, but sadly in Britain as a whole, they're in a tiny minority and the picture doesn't look too great. You only need look at the flak Robert Kilroy-Silk took for his comments about Arabs. At weekends, I regularly see Socialist Worker hawkers sporting placards and churning out oaths which denounce Bush, Sharon and Blair as criminals, and seen their petitions with what looks like a sizeable number of names on them. I've seen marches where Socialist Worker activists have marched alongside Muslims and others carrying placards showing their solidarity with Palestinians and Hamas, and only a few months ago, I saw students denouncing Bush as a war criminal, and advertising the imminent arrival of Galloway to a speech later on that day. To be honest, there isn't anything Blair or anyone else can do, PC is so deeply entrenched in the media, the legal professions and the population as a whole, and any Party leader who dared to echo the words of Kilroy Silk, Winston Churchill, John Wesley, John Quincy Adams would get slaughtered by the press and media, and would effectively be committing political suicide. In other words, it doesn't look very good.
Mark is right. With the dumbing down of the American youth with Multi-cultruralism it's only a matter of time before the United States Consttution joins the koran in being flushed down the toilet. The pc crowd has been successful in having certain books removed from the nation's public school libraries. The thing that the liberals tried to accuse the Reagan Adminisration of doing, they're proving to be very successful at doing. Censorship!!! Our kids are learning sensitivity instead of reading, understanding of other peoples feelings instead of writing, and jihad instead of arithmatic. And most Americans wonder why the Chinese are better at math than Americans. Jihad Johnny and Jihad Jane may not be able to add 2+2, but they sure can wage jihad!!! Say thanks to the liberals and the U.S. 9th Circus Court. Thanks!!! Good bye United States Constitution, hello Sharria law. Nuts to that!!! Sharia law when they take my firearm and my Bible from cold dead body!!!
Thanks for the info Spirit, it really looks like your backs are up against the wall over there. There is one politician that I know of over there that is standing up and saying something, but from peoples post on this site his party has a suspect history.
I am not saying I don’t believe them, but all of the links I see supporting their arguments are from leftwing and communist mouth pieces so I am still reserving judgment on that one. Especially seeing how the left and the new liberals are so quick to climb into bed with the Islamists. As far as I am concerned Galloway (the dhimmi fool) should be one of the first against the wall.
I still think tactical protest voting is a good option; we don’t have to discuss it at length on this site, maybe just realize that in a struggle to the death you need to use all the weapons at your disposal, however unpalatable they are. As far as I am still aware voting is an anonymous process in the UK, make your disgust shown with the ballot box. If enough people do this the politicians of the other parties will sit up and start doing something.
And thanks for that link Granny it has made my day, keep up the good work.
"Crime was social economical, and any attempt to think otherwise was racist, I was accused of being a racist, which is absurd since I'm a dark skinned Hispanic" - El Cid
I admire what you have done - so please don't take this the wrong way - but your comment quoted above really gets on my goat - when people say "I can't be racist - I'm dark skinned"
What are you infering? That only "white" people can be capable of being "racist"? I know it's probably a slip of the tougue, but it's also part of the self hating ingraining I was talking about above (which gets pumped into us at school and the media).
I've met "dark skinned" people who were bigger racists than the KKK. Racism is in most shades of skin colour. For me, there is only one race - The Human Race - just like the Bible says - we are all from Adam.
Thank you all for the kind words, lets hope I didn't reveal to many details about myself, I don't want to be found out just yet.
My wife says that in the past I have been foolish and once someone said to me, "you are incredibly brave of incredibly ignorant". I say yes to both.
" I believe the situation in the UK is such that should you even try to formally address the issue of the Islamification of Britain (printing leaflets, putting up posters) you can be arrested and imprisoned for inciting racial hatred"
Km, they can't arrest everyone can they?, make the laws irrelevant b using mass action. Not just one person putting up poster by twenty or thirty in a group. They won't know who put up the posters, and it will be a lot harder to press charges,
Make your posters untraceable, us nicknames, if the police try to arrest someone have the group resist and help this person elude the police.
Don't be afraid how they can do nothing if you resist in mass.
Don't give them a target keep the identity of your leaders a secret.
Just as we can interchange on this site with pseudo-names and not fear an attack by the Jihadests.
"an organized movement that can actively search through planning applications to stop the building of mosques"
Brilliant, Brilliant! mosques are their base of operation, Disrupt them, stop them.
"They could apologize for their "past" racism (if it really is past) and ask for forgiveness, repudiate their whites only policy, and actively encourage nonwhites to join."
Yes take the race out of it, convince the BNP numskulls that being British goes beyond race.
? if they serving your children halal meat, if they are be very vocal about having it removed or at least force them to offer less cruel alternatives."
Yes, Yes, Dam I wish I was over there to help you guys!
continue to leave flyers behind and business cards behind.
Start a Stop Islam website to coordinate all the above I would be glad to help.
3rdtimelucky please don't misunderstand, I was making fun of a PC truism. My wife who is white sometimes says that to me as a running joke, like honey you think your such a goodie two shoes.
The PC police think this way all the time and only seen to make accusation against whites. I think that brown people are like any other people capable of the worse kind of racism.
I think Western and European peoples on balance have given much more to the world then any misdeeds they may have committed.
I'm proud of the European culture in me.
I agree El Cid!