More on the Pakistan airstrike from Reuters:
ISLAMABAD - A dinner invitation to al Qaeda's second-in-command triggered a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan's tribal region but Ayman al-Zawahri failed to show up, Pakistani intelligence officials said on Sunday.Pakistan condemned Friday's strike, which killed at least 18 people, including women and children, and summoned U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker to protest. Thousands of local tribesmen also rallied near the scene, chanting anti-American slogans.
The Foreign Ministry said on Saturday that foreigners had been near the village of Damadola in the Bajaur region bordering Afghanistan and were the probable target.
Pakistani intelligence officials said they were checking reports up to seven foreign militants had been killed and their bodies removed by local supporters. But they said there were no indications Osama bin Laden's deputy, Zawahri, was there.
"He was invited for the dinner, but we have no evidence he was present," a senior intelligence official told Reuters.
Al Arabiya television quoted a source it said had contact with al Qaeda saying Zawahri was alive...
No doubt collateral damage in women+children terms is always sad. No wonder the jihadis want it that way. They hide in civilian areas. Iran is playing up a similar game. Hiding reactors underground in urban zones. Any surgical strike can only be so precise. The collateral damage will get tons of bad press, anti-semitic ranting cloaked as sincere anti-israelicriticism and name-calling by the same worthies whose capitals are within missile range from persia...
Anyone who invites a terrorist for dinner is guilty in my book. And responsible for the death of children in their vicinity,
Let's hope Al-Qaeda's number 2 maniac is now having a hot meal in Hell, whatever the lying Pakistani Taliban-loyalists say.
And may Osama join him for the second course:
The charred bones of three thousand dead, ala carte.
Washed down by 60,000 gallons of refreshing jet fuel.
Could this have been a setup from the beginning? I mean whoever invited him to dinner may have been playing the mole role in order for us to make a mistake.
It says in the book to feed us mis-information and lies.
Cant trust any mooslem at all..........
Come on Zawahiri, Bin Ladin, Zargotaway, become martyrs for the cause. Right now you look like a bunch of chicken shits to the rest of us infedels.
Doesn't matter that they didn't get him. Islam is a 1.2 billion person army comprising officiers, active soldiers, reservists, and the home guard.
END O' THE RAINBOW POT O' GOAL END O' THE RAINBOW MODERATE MOSELM MAN
Kill Zawahiri, Bin Ladin, whoever. So what, it'll make no diffrence.
Ever noticed how many angry, deeply committed murders there are in the Mohammedan ranks? That is Islam's core strength: it's limitless capacity to produce more murders.
The basic tenet in the Quran is to conquer the world and convert all non-believers to Islam or kill them. This is demonstrated across the world by the slaughter of Christians in Africa and the Far East by the so called peaceful Muslims
3,000 Americans died on 9/11.
A so called 17 "innocents" died from an air strike against a known terrorist stronghold. What were these so called innocents doing where the number 2 man in Al Queda was invited to have dinner?????
As Pakistan President Musharraf stated on Sunday (1/15/05): "If we kept sheltering foreign terrorists here ... our future will not be good... Remember what I say."
It is time to pay no more heed or concern to the world outcry and ridicule.
It is better to be alive, free and called whatever than to be shackled and called a peaceful man living under the yoke of Islamic tyranny.
The war is coming and it is near.
The choice is yours: Fight and live free or become Muslim. There are no other choices. There is no peace with Islam.
Bill Clinton needs to take a lesson from George W.....Clinton had Osama in his sights post-Cole attack but before 9/11, but clinton was worried about killing an arab prince accompaning OBL on a hunting trip. Even if we missed this time, I am sooo glad that George W is my President - why? He has big texas balls. If these are 18 al-quaeda supporters, good, that's 18 less - in the real world you should be judged by the company that you keep. If you are hanging out with Al quaedas number two, then you know that you are taking your chances!!!!
Nice try Mr. President!!!!
We love and Support You!!!
Kill the f@#$ing rat bastard Zawahiri by any means necessary!
i agree that anyone eating a meal with a terrorist makes themselves a target, albeit a secondary one maybe. and any muslim child is a future suicide bomber in my book.
The interesting part of this story is the suggestion that this was a set-up to expose an informant high up in Al-Qaida; false information tricked the US government into killing innocent people.
If true, it shows the US intelligence agencies are being out-foxed.
An airstrike in northwest Pakistan that accidentally killed women and children. I hope they didn't take out Naseem. We have not hear from her in a few days.
Sure, it was a mistake, and I'm sorry for the loss. But apparently America has to be perfect while Islam goes on planting the seeds of death, hate, violence, corruption, and psychological manipulation. Police yourselves I say to Islamic countries, and no one else will have to. Civilians are killed in both directions but Islam purposefully targets civilians. Is there anything more hypocritical than Islam?
Unless they find this piece of filth's DNA in the rubble, I'm nearly certain this was a setup... What better way for the Pakistanis to hamstring our fight than by feeding us false info and then exploiting the fiasco after the fact... It neutralizes us in the field, and makes it nearly impossible to launch a similar attack in the future... This is win win for them and lose lose for us...
Until our leadership in the executive wakes up to the fact that the Muslims are playing us like a fiddle, whether it's Chalabi, King Saud, Musharref, et al -- they consistently stab us in the back, solidify their grip, and weaken and hamper our efforts against their jihad... Snakes, rats, and cockroaches all...
Sorry about the children, but how many Israeli children have died on purpose? Some of them while still strapped in their infant seats!
Are you living in the twilight zone? Bill Clinton is not president and hasn't been since 2000, so how is he going to take a lesson from W, and what good would that lesson do anyway since he isn't and can't be prez anymore.
Geez, the infantile mentality of FREEPERS.
Civilized people would never place their children in harms way, as terrorists do, so if they don't respect the lives of their children, why should we? I believe Zawahiri was tipped off by Pakistani Intelligence. We should fire our missiles without notifying the Pakistani's until after.
I am amazed that any group would host an avowed mass murderer. This whole incident smells like a setup to me. Either Al-Qaida or the Pakistani security services appear to have set this one up, and I am leaning toward Pakistan, due to their reaction to the whole thing.
DNA can not be trusted , who is controling it's access?
Also, missions can be done such as this one and without any claim of action taken. Use of force against this enemy almost requires this. A hidden attacker here would be a plus to the U.S., and keep them wanted men guessing.
I am shocked, shocked, you compare the democratic government of the US to the terrorists of Al-Quaeda when comparing who is the worst
In sum, this is sad, but it's their fault. The US forces killed those people, but it was the fault of the terrorists to be in the middle of them, like if the terrorists cared they were among women and children.
All possible idiotic excuses will serve you to evade your responsability. When you bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, this was government fault for not wanting to surrender. I wonder whose fault was the use of depleted uranium in Irak and the embargo who killed 1.5 million Irakis (tell me this was not directed at innocent people), but anyway, it's not America's. "we killed them, but it's not our fault" and I guess you expect the relatives of the victims to be comprensive?
That would be like Bin Laden telling "well, we bomb civilians, but that the fault of soldiers and military targets for being so protetected"
If a jet fled upon your home and "accidentally" dropped a bomb killing your women and children, you wouldn't say "well, it's sad, but I understand".
It's sad, but no one of you will keep a minute of silence to conmemorate the innocent victims of this and your other "colateral dammages". And then you have the balls to blame the Muslims who didn't show solidarity for the 9/11.
That would be like Bin Laden telling "well, we bomb civilians, but that the fault of soldiers and military targets for being so protetected"
But he doesn’t say that, in fact he deliberately targets civilians. He kills women and children, without hesitation. All infidels are guilty and deserve death.
If we used his methods we would have carpet bombed the entire town, or turned that entire region into a sheet of glass (we have plenty of “big dumb bombs” too)
Do we even know for sure that women and children were killed?
Maybe those people on the Pakistan border shouldn’t be such hospitable hosts.
Ispanan, when we bombed Japan, the justification was that fewer people would die that way than via a traditional ground invasion.
If a jet fled upon your home and "accidentally" dropped a bomb killing your women and children, you wouldn't say "well, it's sad, but I understand".
No, I wouldn't say that if it was an accident. I would, however, if I was living in or near a war zone and I invited one of the combatants' leaders to dinner.
I don't consider al-Zawahri's friends "innocent" so, no, I will not be holding a moment of silence for them. How many moments of silence have you had for the truly innocent Jewish women and children who have died at the hands of Palestinian bombers? Or the people who have been beheaded in Iraq?
Ispanan
Mohammedans were always the aggressors. Whether it is Israel, India, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Ethiopia, Sweden, Denmark, France, Australia, or anywhere, they are the ones who make it a point to slaughter anyone who doesn't embrace your death cult. This is not just about the US, however much you may want to spin it with your taqqiya
Given all that, there are no innocent Muslims. Every Mohammedan is a Jihadi. Either, they are militant combatants, like al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hamas, Jaish-i-Mohammed, Hizbullah, Jemiah Islamia, Islamic Jihad, Lashkar Jihad, (the list goes on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on) or one is a demographic Jihadi - simply by being Muslim, one is contributing to their numbers, and by contributing to their numbers, one is padding their claims to the institutionalization of Sharia.
That's how it happened in Bangladesh, which in 1971 was a secular country, and grateful to India for being liberated from your thugs in Islamabad. While a violent jihadi movement didn't exist there all these years, simply the fact that they were Muslim ultimately lead to their becoming an Islamic republic, and today a sorry loser in the region.
The only way to defeat this Jihad is to get the world's Mohammedan population to bolt from this cult. While one wishes that this process can be bloodless, it isn't likely to be, given the regimes in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Indonesia, Sudan, Comoros, Maldives. Therefore, there would have to be a war in which most of these regimes are taken out, and infidel control is asserted. Under such a regime, Muslims would be given the freedom to bolt, and any threats of retribution would result in criminal prosecution. Once enough Muslims have bolted, this 14 century long nightmare will be behind us.
Don't feed the trolls! Especially the Muslim troll Ispanan -- it only exists to toss these silly stink bombs here... It's all these Muslim can do after all -- destroy, defame, desecrate...
Feeding such trolls only encourages them to remain, and continue to lob these silly posts... Just as the Muslim sullies and degrades any society which he pollutes, so too this thread... The Muslim troglodyte's only power lays in his ability to degrade and terrorize... Such trolls thougts are worthless...