Still more cartoon rage. From Xinhuanet:
KABUL, Feb. 2 (Xinhuanet) -- Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah on Thursday condemned a Danish publication for publishing a caricature of Muslim's Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)."As a Muslim country and as a Muslim man we consider the act an insult to millions of people in the world and strongly condemn it," Abdullah Abdullah told reporters here....
The Afghan foreign Minister said such act would hurt the feeling of millions of people in the world and damage the dialogue among civilizations in the globe.
Yes, that dialogue had been going just swimmingly up until these cartoons were published. Just look at 9/11, and the bombings in London 7/7, and Madrid 3/11, and all the rest. Such a dialogue!
The Afghan foreign Minister said such act would hurt the feeling of millions of people in the world and damage the dialogue among civilizations in the globe.
+++Ahhhhh Poor little things. They got their feelings hurt. TS
"As a Muslim country and as a Muslim man we consider the act an insult to millions of people in the world and strongly condemn it."
As a western country and as a Catholic woman I consider the acts of murder, rape, subjugation, denial of freedom of speech, press and religion, and the enslavement or murder of millions of different believing people, as well as the other tenets of Islam, an insult to millions of people in the world and strongly condemn it.
Dialog? what dialog is he speaking about? Is it the beheadings, the rapes, the abuse, the burning of churches, the abductions, the throat sliting, and so forth..............Stop all aid to Muslim countries and start deportations, let them live in their Islamic paradises.
As a Muslim country and as a Muslim man we consider...
I know he's called Abdullah Abdullah, but is he using the Royal We? What next? The Royal Flush?
Abdullah Abdullah, so good they named him twice.
Ah, Abdullah Abdullah of the Department of Redundancy Department.
You'd think a foreign minister of a country in such a precarious state would have better things to worry about, but I guess it's a fashionable bandwagon to be on, and also an opportunity for the Karzai government to shore up its "Islamic" reputation.
Tsch! Hamid Karzai was just in Denmark a few days ago. He didn't make much of a fuss, but I guess he wanted his 500 million Danish kroner...
Either that, or he doesn't have any measure of control over his ministers. Either way it's messed up.
I am fairly certain that I would recognize Abdullah Abdullah from television interviews. He was a member of the "Northern Alliance" that fought the Taliban and then joined forces with the US. He comes across as a "moderate," although his true green (Muslim green, that is) colors are shining through as he protests the now famous cartoons. Three questions: How much are the evil, corrupt and blasphemous INFIDELS paying this guy? Will he return his paycheck to the INFIDELS to prove how much his feelings are hurt and enflamed over the cartoon issue? Is he any relation to the other infamous Muslim guy with two names, Sirhan Sirhan?
Thats just great, especially considering the danish government just doubled the number of danish soldiers helping keep law and order in Afghanistan. And they also changed the mandate to allow them to more actively help US troops find and destroy the opium crops that help finance terrorism.
What kind of dialogue? This kind:
Im outraged that American troops had to sacrifice to give Mr. Abdullah the right to speak as he does.
Perhaps a return to the Taliban regime would be in order, Im certain they wouldnt hold a grudge against Mr. Abdullah, what say you Mr. A, care to take your chances?
When you read stories like that, isn't it satisfying to know that our soldiers are putting their lives on the line in Afghanistan to defend the wonderful Islamic laws which are being re-introduced?
Why would anyone think that the Northern Alliance is moderate? Its official name is United National and Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (UNIFSA).
http://www.afghan-web.com/politics/overview.html#2
They were part of the Mujahiddin during the Soviet occupation, and at the time, were allied with Hekmatyar and Osama. So to call them, of all Muslims, moderate, is a complete fabrication.
Afghanistan is not, contrary to the propaganda of Bush and Rice, a swimming success. It might better be kept in check, rather than built up, by not buildling roads, schools, and so on, but by simply keeping tabs on Taliban-like forces, and arming agents on the ground, local warlords, Tajik and others, who will be kept supplied as long as they keep things secure, and if they don't then there are ways, from the air, to minimize the risk to American lives.
Several years ago, the beautifully-dressed Hamid Karzai, every inch the lordly scion and sibling of successful Massachusetts-and-Maryland Afghani restaurateurs, attended that meeting of the O.I.C. in which its outgoing president, Mohamad Mahathir, ranted about the Jews and their fiendish cleverness, and dreamed his dream of Muslim progress, a progress he saw entirely in terms of military hardware. That was his dream: a mightily armed Muslim world. Not a word about science or free inquiry. Nothing about the mistreatment of women. Nothing about sculpture, painting, music, literature. Just guns, and bombs, and tanks, and planes, and even better bombs. That was the Islamic vision of Mohamed Mahathir, set out islamically, to islamic applause, at a meeting of Islamic nations. Karzai was asked, after this crude and aggressive and terrifying performance, what he thought of the speech. He thought it was "wonderful." He hadn't a thing to say against it. It inspired him.
Don't keep looking for love, or "moderation," in all the wrong places. You will be deceived. Muhammad counsels: "War is deception." Muslims were deceivers ever. Spare yourself as you discover that those nice Muslims, the nice Afghani kind who come, hat in hand, and seem so smiling, so polite, so very different from -- from the Arab kind -- are in the end, when you get to a bedrock not far from the surface, there is the same stony indifference and incomprehension of what constitutes civilized behavior and norms.
Karzai or the tautonymic Abdullah Abdullah -- both have now been exposed.
Keep it mind, as you wonder just how much effort and money and time and hopes should go into the rebuilding of Afghanistan. Not a modicum of cunning? No hint of being able to exploit local divisions for Infidel aims? No way to keep the Taliban permanently at bay, by supporting now this and now that enemy of the Taliban, however otherwise unsavory that enemy may seem? Nothing like the calculation that was routine in World War II?
Why is that? When did Mr. Rogers, and not Clausewitz or Machiavelli, become the main reading of those who make policy? Was it something Jimmy Carter left behind? Is it fear of offending the editors of The New Duranty Times? Fear of offending Irene Khan? Or Mr. Roth, or other officious NGO heads? Fear of offending Muslim leaders? What is it? What's holding the Americans back from exhibiting the slightest chilly calculation in their efforts, and why is so much of it reminiscent of Boy Scouts and 4-H-club attitudes, with more than a touch of Rodney King's "Why-can't-we-all-get-along?" and the deplorable Roger Fisher's amoral, because indifferent to competing and opposing claims, and absurd "Getting to Yes." No, the world is sometimes not a yes-yes proposition. In the case of Muslims and Infidels, Muslims see it as a zero-sum game.
So should we. And choose the most important matters. Neither Iraq, except insofar is it can help prompt division, both sectarian and ethnic, within the camp of Islam, and Afghanistan, important only because that is where Al-Qaeda had camps but those camps, of course, could also be established anywhere -- on an Indonesian island, in the suburbs of Paris, in the middle of the Virginia countryside. Both Iraq and Afghanistan are not worth more investment of time, men, money.
Two things matter right now: Iran's nuclear project, and the islamization, through Da'wa and demography and dhimmitude (that is, the ability of Muslim threats to force the indigenous Infidels to yield to Muslim demands to change their own, Infidel, ways of living and doing things), of Western Europe.
That's it. Iran and Western Europe. Let Iraq dissolve into the three vilayets. Let Afghanistan be seen for the tribal society it is, with local warlords controlling many different and mutually suspicious groups, warlords capable, if steadily or intermittently armed, of keeping down the Taliban for their own good reasons, but with the for them unintended consequence of benefiting Infidel interests.
The less of this active intervention, with the delusive hopes such intervention inspires, in and for Muslims, the more Infidel minds can concentrate on such matters as the nature of Islam, the threat of the islamization of parts of Europe, the need not to achieve "independence from Middle Eastern oil" but to diminish OPEC revenues, which provide the wherewithal for the Jihad, from any oil-consuming country.
Bush said not a word about government-mandated fuel standards. Not a word about bringing out of retirement Mr. Gunn to head Amtrak, and to subsidize railroads, both for freight and passenger traffic, and mass transit within cities. Not a word about public campaigns of "Is This Trip Necessary?" Nothing more than a ridiculous extra $5 million for wind energy, and some tens of millions for other kinds of projects, while every day a quarter-of-a billion dollars is spent for that "Light Unto the Muslim Nations" Project of Tarbaby Iraq.
We need leaders, not people "taking a leadership role." They exist somewhere. Where?
Kofi Annan steps into the cartoon rage issue:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17370&Cr=&Cr1=
and the Egyptian president says that the cartoons "will fuel terrorism":
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/52cb6026-9418-11da-82ea-0000779e2340.html
oh right. so , its all the west and "joooooos" fault so - some nutter will blow himself up over some cartoons?
"The Afghan foreign Minister said such acts would hurt the feelings of millions of people in the world and damage the dialogue amoung civilization in the world."
What a load of hooie!!!
1. I'm not hurt by the cartoons. I think that they're hilarious. A laugh riot. I mean, I am one of the millions that Mr. Abdullah said would have hurt feelings.
2. When did Muslims ever have a dialogue with another civilization?
3. When were Muslims ever civil. Okay, they were civil with the Christians at Fez Morocco. What was the deal? Oh yes, Convert to Islam or lose your head!
Muslims were pretty reasonable with the United States September 11th, 2001. How about the London bombings July 7th, 2005 and the Madrid March 3rd, 2005 train bombings? Muslims were totally reasonable there.
Bottom line Muslims are incapable of being reasonable with other civilzations because they're BARBARIANS!!! And anyone that knows, a barbarian can not be civilized. But trust me, civil folk can be barbaric when pushed to that point. As much as Muslim through history have murdered Christians for not converting to Islam, how dare Abdullah try to claim a moral higher ground. Like Muslims would never do that. They've done that and worse!!! There can never be a dialogue with Muslims because they are devoid of honor!!! Truce breakers, barbarous murderers, and pure evil.
Muslims have pushed civil folk to the brink of barbarism. You don't laugh so because of the Islamic lack of a sense of humor, you want to censer it. Nuts to that!!! If the pedophile false prophet can't take a joke, that's his problem. And "Nuts to all of his followers that go in his footsteps." As much as you Muslims berate Chirstians, the Bible and Jesus. As much as leftists do the same as you Islamofeces with Christianity, you should be able to take as well as you give!!! But no. You Muslim men have to be girlie about it. Be little boys, threatening to "take my ball home" because you're getting the same treatment as everyone else. Crack on Jesus but the pedophile prophet is off limits. "Nuts to that!!!" Muhammad is now in the open and is fair game as well as Islam. I'll never give an apology for critcising Islam and its false prophet. But I will give you Islamic girlie boys a box of Kleanex tissue to dry your eyes.
I can't wait for those cartoons to get over here in our papers!!! I wonder how the non Americans at CAIR will react. I sure hope that they try that censer crap here in the States!!!
Oh Brother!!!
I think the Alhamedi (The Religious Policeman) at muttawa.blogspot.com, may have the real story about all the sudden rage and indignation over cartoons published four months ago -- orchestration courtesy of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to provide Muslims around the world with a Roman circus to keep their minds from other matters, like, for instance, hundreds of deaths at the recent Hajj due to grossly incompetent crowd management.
Interested, congratulations on your cartoon! I would like to draw one as well - my idea is Mo holding the head of Asma bint Marwan, a poetess who made fun of him in verse, with her mouth taped and an inscription saying: "That's how I deal with freedom of speech". I am not talented enough so can someone do it for me, please? Interested Interested?
This just in from CNN:
"CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons in respect for Islam."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/cartoons.wrap/index.html
So they agree that showing the cartoons is disrespectful of Islam ... that these other publishers are blasphemers? Seeing as how they have never had a problem reprinting "blasphamies" against all other religions (Piss Christ, pictures of religious icons being spit on, burned, etc.), can I take this to mean that Islam is the ONLY religion that CNN respects?
More likely --- they care more about the bottom line than free speech, and are cowards with both.
Why would anyone think that the Northern Alliance is moderate?
The blame is squarely on the mainstream media for that. Again, moderation is somewhat of a relative term: They're ostensibly a little less oppressive and insane than the Taliban; ergo, they're branded "moderate."
RAWA.org -- the website for the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan was my wake-up call that all is not so rosy in Afghanistan as the west would now like to believe.
Fox news aired 5 minute segment on the toons showing them twice close-up..see JW spencers
cartoon and free speech column comments section for complete description
Brit hUme coming on next with his round table to discuss the toons
Yeah, ABC's World News Tonight just ran a segment on them. Very pro-cartoon-- good for them.
They also mentioned that an international day of protest against the cartoons is planned for tomorrow, prompting European nationals to flee Gaza, among other places.
Like the story about road-building over on Jihadwatch, it's another case of pious self-destruction.
Dear Abdullah Abdullah:
My name is Linda-Linda-Bo-Binda-Bananna-Nana-Fo-Finda-Fee-Fi-Mo-Minda-Linda. You can oppress and repress freedom of speech in your moslem hell holes, but you CANNOT and WILL NOT ever impose your shariah laws, nor will you ever be allowed to demand that your islamic beliefs be respected, or held in higher regard than any other belief, anywhere in the Western Hemisphere. I cordially invite you to wake up and realize this fact.
And, if any of your mo-bots do decide to go on a jihad suicide mission in retaliation over our beloved 'toons' so bravely drawn and published by our Western Brothers and Sisters, I would invite you to exercise the utmost in caution. Europe is sick of you. And please don't under-estimate the USA where we frequently and freely exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights. Non Abrogated.
Got it, Abdullah?
mohammed photoshop contest
http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C
OMG hammerhead... Instantly saved to favorites and will be passed along! OUTSTANDING rebuttal. Wish we could have English translations, though!
btw.. tip'o' the hat to LGF FOR mohammed contest link above..
by PDM at LGF(explicit)
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3924/piecesbeuponhim4ii.jpg
Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah on Thursday condemned a Danish publication for publishing a caricature of Muslim's Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
"And dont forget to post the EU cheque", he added.
Meanwhile
Channel 4(UK) news showed the cartoons clearly in its 7pm broadcast last night and the BBC showed them fleetingly.
There is an apt cartoon in the DT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=NIBYNXESQHKP3QFIQMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?view=HOME&grid=P18&menuId=-1&menuItemId=-1&_requestid=644211
The DT puts us well
The right to offend within the law remains crucial to our free speech. Muslims who choose to live in the West must accept that we, too, have a right to our values, and to live according to them. Muslims must accept the predominant mores of their adopted culture: and most do. One of these is the lack of censorship and the ready availability of material that some people find deeply offensive: anyone who wishes to see the cartoons can find them within a few clicks on the internet.
Those Muslims who cannot tolerate the openness and robustness of intellectual debate in the West have perhaps chosen to live in the wrong culture.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/02/03/dl0301.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/02/03/ixopinion.html
Wow, maybe all the Muslim countries will get so fed up with us they will eject all non-Muslims including our armies and leave our lands...sounds like a plan to me.
Still no word on the muslims boycotting the millions given to them in handouts!
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/001570.html
fredag, februar 03, 2006
209 danish homepages hacked in a week
Violent cyber attacks on Denmark
"More than 200 danish organisations, companies and private homepages has been hacked in a week" Berlinske Tidende reports today.
It´s the first time we experience large scale political hacking. Since thursday 209 danish homepages has been hacked.
The attacks follow the "muhammed row" and is known as "hacktivism" in IT terms.
more details here in danish:
http://www.comon.dk/index.php/news/show/id=25322
I'm not sure which of these two headlines below is funnier. And one of these is for real.
"Anti-Muslim cartoons ‘will fuel terrorism"
"Muslim Community Leaders Warn of Backlash from Tomorrow Morning's Terrorist
Attack."
It's not the Koran, it's the 'toons people remember that.
Has anyone checked out the "NEWS from the company" section on the right side of Arla's home page? I was flabbergasted at what I read there.
http://www.arlafoods.com
Unreal. I just viewed the Arla Foods site:
"Amat proposes that the Islamic organisations, the Ministry for Foreign Affairs and Dansk Industri (The Confederation of Danish Industries) and perhaps Arla Foods, despatch a joint mission to Saudi Arabia and the Saudi Grand Mufti."
Yes, and don't forget to bring along a tidy sum and maybe a few "fair-eyed" lassies for the Grand Mufti. Then all will be well.
Trying to find a news story to send along that focuses on the cartoon rage-fueled international protest that ABC News said has been called for in Muslim countries for tomorrow.
I'm sure there will be ample press once the protests get going after Friday prayers, due to how orderly, civil, and mild-mannered those post-prayer demonstrations usually are. ;)
2/3/06 front page of Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ or
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/02/AR2006020202720.html
Hugh, my problem with Karzi is not that he is two-faced; he seems a decent, enlightened guy, but it's the 'Sadat' factor. I'm well aware of Anwar's shady past, but he reached a point of wanting true reconciliation with Israel. You could argue that he only did this because of a need for a new sugar daddy after Moscow, and he realized the price of Washington's support was through Israel. He went to Jerusalem and he seemed to want an actual peace with Israel. He paid for it with his life . . . taken by Islamists that he let out of the hokey. Karzi may be enlightened, but we're only a single bullet away from total chaos . . . perhaps worse than Iraq. So even when you have a decent, Islamic ruler(maybe who had an epiphany), how much is that worth? Not much in my book. Another example could be the King of Jordan. It's not that I don't like the guy. He seems a decent sort who(if he had his way)might live in peace with Israel, but when 99.99999999 percent of his population would vote for Hamas, how much is his well-meaning Western facade worth? I actually do respect Karzi and the Jordanian King, but their days are numbered and the clock is ticking.
RAWA.org -- the website for the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan was my wake-up call that all is not so rosy in Afghanistan as the west would now like to believe.
Shinoliite
While I did enjoy Rawa's exhibition on their web site on the atrocities commited in Afghanistan by all factions, I don't think they should be counted as an ally against the Jihad. In their link on standpoints, they at one time supported separatist movements in Kosovo, Kashmir & Kurdistan. Also, by describing the veil as a cultural symbol, they are practicing Taqqiya. They are an infra-left wing organization who support Left Wing wackos everywhere, including the US, and were opposed to the Iraq war on the Blood-for-Oil grounds.
In other words, take their statements with a pinch, if not a pillar, of salt.
Very true. I should have clarified that the survey of atrocities on all sides is the most useful element of the site, but yeah, they've still got the blinders on when it comes to issues like the ones you described.
This site is a breath of fresh air. Probably 5 years ahead of the times.
Biorabbi-
You might want to read Sadat's daughter's new account of being married off at age twelve (illegally) to a man 17 years her senior, who abused her with her father's knowledge.
And Karzai has said "this insult MUST never happen again", as infidel soldiers and money prop up his war torn country, and protect him from assassination. In addition, the grateful government of Iraq has had the time to chastise the Danish Ambassador for these terrible cartoons.
I'm begining to be of Hugh's persuasion.
Let the whole house of Islamic cards collapse.
My give a damn's busted.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
"My give a damn's busted."
Great movie that...The Dam Busters, full of daring do and good old fashioned British Empire gallantry and courage.
We need something like that to drop on the Mohammedans' heads.
The current world regarding Islam is worthy of a Monty Python sketch...what a pity they are no more.
C'mon John Cleese, give us a great big serving of Islamic idiocy in a movie or something.
C'mon you producers, and directors.
Resurrect some good lines...like "the Popular Peoples Front" reference to describe organizatons like Hamas.
Do ya wanna live forever?
Cartoons are way too lame...what we need is a martyr for the Western cause.
They can't murder us all.
I'd volunteer if I had something to offer apart from my blood.Maybe I could help out on the set.
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JEG opbakning Danmark!
In it's struggle for Freedom of Speech.
Sign the Petition NOW!
I am #425
Last night British TV at last had the guts to show briefly the cartoons and guess what followed – crowds of angry Muslim men were shouting in front of the TV building” “Slay all those who offend our prophet!” and “Islam will rule Britian!” . If this is not incitement to religious violence (punishable by British law) then I am the Emperor of China.
February 02, 2006
"Muslims of the world, be reasonable": Jordanian tabloid publishes 3 Muhammad cartoons
A breath of fresh air from Jordan. "Mohammed Cartoon Conflict Gets Even Hotter," from Deutsche Welle, with thanks to Mac:
Meanwhile, a Jordanian gossip tabloid on defiantly published three of the cartoons that have triggered outrage in the Arab and Muslim world.
"Muslims of the world, be reasonable," said the editor-in-chief of the weekly independent newspaper Al-Shihan in an editorial alongside the cartoons, including the one showing the Muslim religion's founder wearing a bomb-shaped turban.
"What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?" wrote Jihad Momani.
Bravo, Momani!
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Holy toledo Batman! A real moderate Muslim!!
Posted by: treehugger at February 2, 2006 09:55 AM
Holy crap!! You KNOW there's going to be a fatwa issued against this guy! He's brave but he'd better run for cover!
שלום
Posted by: Constantinople at February 2, 2006 09:55 AM
That guy deserves a medal for bravery. Its one thing to print these things when you live in a western country where there is at least a theoretical possibility that the police can protect you from the radical nutcases. But when you live in one of the countries where the nutcases have their powerbase, it something else entirely.
With any luck this will turn into an internal muslim fight soon, between moderates and fanatics. Lets hope the moderates win, although its a weak hope.
Posted by: ExpatriateDK at February 2, 2006 10:00 AM
The most intelligent Muslims know what damage the brouhaha is doing to them. And that is why out of a billion Muslims, possibly as many as several dozen, or even a hundred, will manage to express their doubts about the wisdom, from the perspective of promoting or defending Islam, to the vast, hysterical campaign now being waged by Muslims.
It would be fascinating to ask the smooth smiling propagandist for the Muslim Brotherhood, Tariq Ramadan (let's agree to trust Magdi Allam on the matter of Ramadan, shall we, and not Diane Eck, the rustic who came to the big city from Montana, did everything right, from writing about third-world Benares, to being for "pluralism" with all those grant-getting possiblitites, to being fashionably married to her partner, a wedding at which, among the vocal wellwishers, was Karen Armstrong -- such are the dizzying heights to which a cowgirl, not getting the blues, can succeed in what passes for the world of High Scholarship today) what he thinks of the cartoons published by Jullends-Posten. It would be fun to hear the smooth hem, and then the even smoother haw.
Posted by: Hugh at February 2, 2006 10:02 AM
Never say never!
BBC has just shown the cartoons.
Posted by: ExpatriateDK at February 2, 2006 10:37 AM
I love that guy's name:
Jihad Momani
Imagine if he was your friend:
"Hey, Jihad, fancy flying to America for a bit of fun?"
Posted by: FallingProphet at February 2, 2006 10:54 AM
OIC has referred the matter to the UN
ttp://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20060202&hn=29317
The ambassadors of the OIC member countries to Geneva, and also the members of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, were called to attend a meeting Wednesday.
The problem will definitely be referred to the United Nations, said Professor Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the OIC Secretary-General.
Posted by: archduke at February 2, 2006 10:54 AM
oops -barfed the link.
here it is
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20060202&hn=29317
Posted by: archduke at February 2, 2006 10:54 AM
Hey, ExpatriateDK,
When and where has al BBCra shown the cartoons (it wasn't on the radio was it??)
Posted by: FallingProphet at February 2, 2006 10:56 AM
A fatwa has been issued by a Kuwaiti cleric, calling for the death of the 12 cartoonists... While other clerics condemned the fatwa, stating that the fatwa shouldn't be followed, a group affiliated with al-qaeda "finally" expressed its intent to attack Denmark.
Posted by: DanishDynamite at February 2, 2006 11:00 AM
I'm SHOCKED AND SILENCED!!! But it's only temporary.
Is this guy really Muslim? And is he still alive? I'm not being funny. Mr. Momani has taken a big risk here. I'm now worried about him. This took great courage on his part and he should be on the lookout for radicals trying to silence him. This is a truely brave man!!!
Posted by: Ironman Hondo at February 2, 2006 11:09 AM
Archduke,
The article in your link says that the OIC is going to refer this matter to the United Nations. That's a relief. I thought they were going to tell someone who actually gives a damn!
The Moslems better be really careful before they work themselves up into a rabid frenzy. (Remember what America did to Japan.) I don't know what all the other countries think but in the United States, freedom of speech and expression is our most prized possession. We will not give it up, no matter what.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 2, 2006 11:09 AM
If Mr. Jihad M. reaches his next birthday (or even Easter, depending on which comes first) I'd be amazed.
Best of luck to this courageous guy!
He can find a bulletproof vest on ebay for about $200US. (With side and neck panels an additional $100US.)
May a million caricatures bloom!
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 2, 2006 11:12 AM
"I'm SHOCKED AND SILENCED!!!"
LOL!
I was just thinking, now that this thing has mushroomed into a world debate, can a parody of Mohammad on Saturday Night Live be far behind?
I love it! The more they complain, the more people find out what Islam is all about.
Beautiful!!
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 2, 2006 11:16 AM
Jihad Momani and his newspaper deserve to be honoured for their reason and decency. This could never have been published in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Pakistan and probably not in Turkey.
Of course Momani has risked his life by publishing the truth. How long till he's forced to "apologize" or face threats against himself and his family from the "real" Muslims?
That independent newspapers like Al-Shihan exist freely in Jordan is also a positive reflection on King Abdullah (especially considering that he has to deal with an Islamist majority in Parliament. Maybe the British education of the Hashemites has paid off in this regard.
I've often wondered what effects it would have had on Islamic militancy if the Western powers had arranged for a Hashemite Caliphate to replace the Ottomans after Ataturk deposed Abdul Mejid II in 1924?
Posted by: Provoslavni at February 2, 2006 11:23 AM
For more on the Turkish historian Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, supposedly one of the most respected Turkish scholars, not one of the wild men -- after Mahathir Mohamed it was thought better to have a more acceptable facade for the OIC -- google "Posted by Hugh" and "Jihad Watch" and "Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu." Note in particular how Ihsanoglu describes to an American audience the treatment of non-Muslims as "protected peoples" under Islam.
And he is the best they could do.
Posted by: Hugh at February 2, 2006 11:34 AM
I can see that this man doesn't have long to live...
Posted by: restitutor orbis at February 2, 2006 11:50 AM
A courageous man, indeed! Bravo, Momani.
Posted by: Infidel33 at February 2, 2006 12:03 PM
Shihan's editor-in-chief, Jihad al-Momani, told The Associated Press that he decided to run the cartoons to "display to the public the extent of the Danish offense and condemn it in the strongest terms."
"But their publication is not meant in any way to promote such blasphemy," al-Momani added.
This doesn't sound like a brave moderate muslim to me, more like just another muslim trying to exaggerate and enrage the masses to murder.
Posted by: JanuaryMan at February 2, 2006 12:10 PM
I have great respect for what this man, Jihad Momain, has said and done.
Uh, "Islam," "musa," now let me ask: Is Mr. Jihad Momain a racist and a hate-monger?
Posted by: Archimedes at February 2, 2006 12:16 PM
...okay, JanuaryMan, you have just reduced my level of respect for this man. I guess I should only give Momani part marks.
"Islam" and "musa" my question still stands:
Is Momani a racist for writing "Muslims of the world, be reasonable...What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"
At least this is a point that has been made by many posters on this site.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 2, 2006 12:23 PM
Isabellathecrusader posted:
"I thought they were going to tell someone who actually gives a damn!"
Yea, that's funny isn't it? Considering I can't find where the United Nations Commission on Human Rights has even addressed the issue of Nazanin in Iran - I don't think this should go too far. But then again, I'm constantly surprised by the level of dhimmitude they display.
שלום
Posted by: Constantinople at February 2, 2006 12:27 PM
Our friend Jihad Momani is an old dissident. See that:
"Jordanian press association expels three journalists for visiting Israel
October 20, 1999
Mr. Seif al-Sharif
President
Jordan Press Association
Amman, The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
Dear Mr. Sharif:
The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) strongly protests the recent decision by the Jordan Press Association (JPA) to expel journalists Abdullah Hasanat, editor-in-chief of the English-language daily Jordan Times,Sultan Hattab, a columnist for the daily Al-Rai,and Jihad Momani, a columnist for the daily Al-Dustour..."
http://www.cpj.org/protests/99ltrs/Jordan20Oct99.html
Posted by: highbg at February 2, 2006 02:41 PM
And one more:
"Jordan Times
Tuesday, October 26, 2004
Jordan selected as host of next NATO PA seminar
AMMAN (JT) — Participants in the NATO Parliamentary Assembly (NATO PA) 10th Mediterranean Seminar held in Nouakchott selected Jordan as the host of its next session, the Jordan News Agency, Petra, reported.
The assembly, which took place between Oct. 17-19, handed an official request to Senator Jihad Momani, who represented Jordan in the session. The senator was due to forward the letter to President of the Senate Zeid Rifai, Petra said.
Jordan, along with several non-NATO countries, holds observer status at the assembly..."
http://www.jordanembassyus.org/10262004004.htm
Posted by: highbg at February 2, 2006 02:44 PM
And one more:
" Editor-in-Chief of Sheihan Expresses Regret over Republishing Drawings Insult Prophet Muhammad
Pet0699 4 0156 Editor-in-Chief of Sheihan Expresses Regret over Republishing Drawings Insult Prophet Muhammad Amman, Feb. 2(Petra)-- Editor-in-Chief of Sheihan Weekly Newspaper Jihad Momani expressed regret over republishing drawings insulting Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him). In a statement from which Jordan News Agency /Petra/ has received a copy, Momani expressed the paper's regret over republishing such drawings, stressing the paper's stance which rejects any act insulting Prophet Muhammad. He also pointed that the paper intended to show, through a report supported by some drawings, the great mistake committed by the Danish Paper and the world's growing anger towards these drawings. //Petra// 022123 Local FEB 2006 "
http://www.petra.gov.jo/nepras/2006/Feb/02/30372600.htm
Posted by: highbg at February 2, 2006 02:52 PM
When something seems to good to be true, it usually is.
Posted by: ExpatriateDK at February 2, 2006 03:05 PM
Got any job for a sacked Jordanian journalist?
"02/02/2006 19:54 AMMAN, Feb 2 (AFP)
Jordan tabloid pulled after publishing Mohammed cartoons
A Jordanian gossip tabloid was pulled from newsstands after defiantly publishing three cartoons Thursday of Prophet Mohammed that have triggered outrage in the Muslim world, its publishing company said.
"The company decided "to immediately pull all copies from the market" and "open an investigation to identify those responsible for this abominable and reprehensible behavior," the publishers said in a statement.
It also fired editor-in-chief Jihad Jihad Momani."
Posted by: highbg at February 2, 2006 03:08 PM
The Times brings news about a German kidnapped in West Bank (guess why - because of the hurt Muslim feelings):
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2021464,00.html
Posted by: Polish infideless at February 2, 2006 03:12 PM
Good news from Indonesia, too!
"Indonesian tabloid Rakyat Merdeka took the controversial step of republishing several of the cartoons on its website, with at least one altered to be less offensive, although it still prompted criticism from a Muslim legislator.
Yuri Thamrin, the Indonesian spokesman for the foreign ministry, said freedom of expression could not justify indignity towards a religion."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6204FC53-1286-4234-B0CD-71F7DC8B20F1.htm
Posted by: highbg at February 2, 2006 03:16 PM
Hugh says "The most intelligent Muslims know what damage the brouhaha is doing to them. And that is why out of a billion Muslims, possibly as many as several dozen, or even a hundred, will manage to express their doubts about the wisdom, from the perspective of promoting or defending Islam, to the vast, hysterical campaign now being waged by Muslims".
Come on people, this is just what I said yesterday...this guy has gone a lot further by showing hinmselfand doing it in public. At last another muslim who thinks allike. I was hoping support from Karim Khayal...and while he was off the air he was all good...on air ...he seemed to lose it....C'mon Karim be a man ...this IS the test Allah has set for us...don't fail it.
In great Irony Iromnan says "I'm SHOCKED AND SILENCED!!! But it's only temporary". Ironman no its not I'm saysing this to you *everyday* maan.
We DO have the odd shining light......and what did you say to Bigcatgirl...she ain't speaking to me no mo'.
Profitsbeard says "May a million caricatures bloom!"...only if it produces a million like him. Ameen to that Broda! Muslims need to grow up & quick...there's work to be done!
Posted by: Naseem at February 2, 2006 03:32 PM
Hugh says "The most intelligent Muslims know what damage the brouhaha is doing to them. And that is why out of a billion Muslims, possibly as many as several dozen, or even a hundred, will manage to express their doubts about the wisdom, from the perspective of promoting or defending Islam, to the vast, hysterical campaign now being waged by Muslims".
Certainly such behavior has turned me and many thousands (millions) of Westerners against them.
Posted by: epg at February 2, 2006 03:49 PM
l will attempt to copy the cartoons and write a letter to the editor of our local paper, and the National Post, and perhaps with latter will have already published the cartoons.. we need to strike at the heart of this cult of death, need to eraes the words of religion of piece! show the masses the lies that have told in the past about islam, and see that those who migrate to western countires,there needs to be assimilation of "Western Values", ie freedom of speech, etc.!!
Posted by: Lulu at February 2, 2006 03:58 PM
Apparantly Momani's @$$ is now grass!
Outrage Spreads Over Muhammad Caricature
A Jordanian newspaper took the bold step of running some of the drawings, saying it wanted to show its readers how offensive the cartoons were but also urging the world's Muslims to "be reasonable." Hours later, the owners of the weekly, Shihan, said they had fired its editor and withdrawn the issue from sale, and the government threatened legal action.
The Jordanian newspaper Shihan reprinted three of the caricatures to show readers "the extent of the Danish offense." Next to the drawings, the weekly said: "This is how the Danish newspaper portrayed Prophet Muhammad, may God's blessing and peace be upon him."
Later, its owner, the Arab Publishers Co., fired editor Jihad al-Momani, saying he had caused a "shock to the firm and those responsible for it," the official Petra news agency reported. It said the issue was withdrawn from the market and opened an investigation to determine if other staff were involved. A spokesman for the publisher confirmed the report.
Government spokesman Nasser Judeh said Shihan committed a "big mistake" by reprinting the drawings.
"The government strongly denounces this issues, which it considers extremely harmful, and demands an immediate apology from the newspaper," Judeh said. He said the state is reviewing "all options, especially legal action" against Shihan.
Al-Momani declined comment.
Posted by: Lisa at February 2, 2006 04:46 PM
Hi Lulu,
Thanks for the update...but truly this makes me sad.
I am starting to ask the question myself whether there really are more than a handful of moderate people in Islam?
Are we so inflexible that we cannot let our hair down once in a while?
This is a real shame for Islam...Karim where the F**k are U? Why aren't you here speaking for tolerance within Islam?
I'm off to see if even the prophet had a sense of humour?
Posted by: Naseem at February 2, 2006 05:03 PM
hey naseem - read up on humanism.
its a start. who knows - maybe you might get so sick of Islam that you might turn atheist.
and i'm telling you - being free of the shackles of religion is a wonderful and free experience.
Posted by: archduke at February 2, 2006 05:18 PM
Hugh, I'm interested in your take on this Jordanian guy--and your point about some Muslims getting it--as it were. I think there are many such Muslims as the Jordanian publisher who had the bravery to publish the satire. For us, it's at worst(hopefully) a slap on the wrist to highlight how absurd the Muslim group think is . . . but for the Jordanian--who knows what he risks? Getting back on track, I think--or hope--there are a lot of Muslims who have 'opted out' of the religion. Allow me to clarify, they have not yet renounced or changed their religion and have some pride--based on their parents ect--but are smart enough to have opted out in their minds. The problem as I see it is the extreme risk they might face for dissent in their own lands--such as Jordan. I trained with a large amount of Muslim men in my internship and, almost to a man, they were very neutral or even admiring towards Israel. They were under no compunction to kiss up to their lowly interns--Jews and Christians. Or perhaps the intelectuals--or those smart enough to have 'mentally opted out of Islam without formal renunciation' simply wish to move to the West and start anew. But I've always pondered on these arab interns--who had never met a Jew--who had only heard propaganda about Jews and Christians--yet were somehow friendly towards Jews. Where they just bs'ing or is it something else. Even if all my surmisings are right, however and the parents ARE moderate and practice ISLAM LIGHT--there is always the risk that the next generation may not be so Muslim Light. One Muslim intern--who had no idea I was Jewish and had no interest in kissing up to me--was on a rotation at Indiana University Medical Center in Indianapolis. Our professor was Dr. Larry Einhorn, the discoverer of the chemotheraputic combination against testicular cancer. This guy is one of the top researchers AND clinicians in the world in his field. One of the Muslim interns told me how much he admired the work ethic of Dr. Einhorn and how he wanted to be a doctor just like him, AND if his parents ever got sick in Saudi Arabia that he'd call Dr. Einhorn and take his parents to see him. This from a conservative Muslim. I guess on the positive side, while reformation can perhaps not occur, there is a chance for more debate within the Arab world about the right way to go. This, of course, poses another problem: the ramifications to those brave souls who start the debate!
Posted by: biorabbi at February 2, 2006 06:30 PM
The more they foam at the mouth, rant and rave, the more the world will see them for the rabid dogs they really are.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at February 2, 2006 06:32 PM
Biorabbi,
Read my post three up from yours. The Jordanian guy, Momani, has been sacked from his job and the Jordanian government has pulled the newspaper from circulation and is threatening legal action against the publisher Shihan.
So much for Jordanian tolerance and moderation.
Posted by: Lisa at February 2, 2006 06:35 PM
How refreshing! Momani "A brave visionary Muslim"
........Too bad the rest of the Muslim world takes Muhammed way too seriously!!
Posted by: Johnathan at February 2, 2006 11:02 PM
Previously cited from JanuaryMan, above:
"Shihan's editor-in-chief, Jihad al-Momani, told The Associated Press that he decided to run the cartoons to "display to the public the extent of the Danish offense and condemn it in the strongest terms.""
Article from Lisa, posted above:
""...[Muslims,] be reasonable." Hours later, the owners of the weekly, Shihan, said they had fired its editor and withdrawn the issue from sale, and the government threatened legal action."
Unbelievable, yet all too believable.
The negative reaction from so many (though not all) Muslims is indicative of a superficial reading of the cartoons. So superficial, in fact, that it is not accurate to use the phrase "reading the cartoons." Muslims generally are not reacting to what's in the cartoons, and are not taking into account that the cartoonists are expressing ideas, criticism, food for thought as well as entertainment. They're upset in their belief that this whole exercise was a plot hatched by the predominantly white western Kuffar to attack Islam. They would be partly correct. (Of course, they fail to take into account that the kuffar are usually too busy plotting against and attacking the members of their own culture, politicians, etc.--even a couple of the "mohammad" cartoons seem to poke fun at the newspaper, not Mohammad).
However, as with the general Muslim reaction to the film _Submission_, they are again missing what we would call the bigger issues. The bigger issue of _Submission_ was Islamically-approved misogyny in its various forms. The bigger issues with the cartoons were Islamically-approved terrorism and violence, misogyny, and freedom of expression. We are only talking about one of these issues--freedom of expression--not because of what was in the cartoons, but rather, the because of the fact that white crusading Kuffars would dare say something unflattering about the prophet.
All of this comes down to enormous self-importance on the part of the Muslims who are outraged by this. They are so self-important that they cannot see that there are more important issues at stake. Their claim that the prophet should be revered, not maligned, is Islamically correct.* However, this does not absolve Muslims of the individual responsibility to handle this in an ethical fashion. One can only use one's god as an excuse in one's own fantasy-world. Muslims must grow up and take responsibility for their own actions instead of claiming "Mohammad-Allah made me do it."
*On the other hand, I'm still waiting for the army of public-relations Muslim apologists to pull out those peaceful tolerant Meccan verses that we've been hearing so much about, in reference to these cartoons. If those apologists can clip and quote seemingly tolerant verses after terrorist attacks, why not after the publication of the Mohammad cartoons?
Posted by: Archimedes at February 3, 2006 12:09 AM
Look at the bright side - the editor only got fired, not beheaded. Looks like Jordan is almost as advanced as France (in the latter, Sarkozy joined journalists in rallying around the editorial director of France Soir, who was fired by the newspaper's Egyptian owner, whereas the Jordanian government threatened legal action against Shihan)
Mr Jihad, Peace be upon you.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 3, 2006 01:30 AM
Last night British TV at last had the guts to show briefly the cartoons and guess what followed – crowds of angry Muslim men were shouting in front of the TV building” “Slay all those who offend our prophet!” and “Islam will rule Britian!” . If this is not incitement to religious violence (punishable by British law) then I am the Emperor of China.
It is the Muslim Anger Day today - brrrr!
I am sure they will be celebrating peacefully as it is RoP, innit?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4675462.stm
"Mr Rasmussen has said the issue of the cartoons has gone beyond Denmark to become a clash between Western free speech and Islamic taboos.
"
Bravo Boris Johnoson:
"Former Spectator editor and Conservative MP Boris Johnson told the BBC the Muslim religion should not be treated with kid gloves.
He said: "If you are a Muslim and your faith is strong and you believe in God and in your prophet then I don't think you should be remotely frightened of what some ludicrous infidel says or does about your religion or any depiction he produces.
"I think we've got to move away from this hysterical and rather patronising idea that we have got to treat the Muslim religion with kid gloves and not subject it to all the same rough and tumble that we subject other faiths to."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4675534.stm
The Gavrilo Princip analogy isn't sounding so far fetched now....
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=21905
Hizb-Ut-Terror and their unholy alliance of commies and fascists plan on holding a demo outside the Danish Embassy in London on Saturday 3rd February.
I will be there doing my small bit to defend my freedoms. Will any of you?
WE ARE ALL DANISH NOW...
LiberalNotQuisling, What time is it?
I am a Danish infideless now!
CNN has chosen not to show the cartoons out of respect for Islam.
Other paper and television chanels publish the cartoons:
Both France Soir and Die Welt said they were publishing the cartoons in solidarity with Jyllands-Posten, which they said has the right to publish the cartoons in a free society with a free press. France Soir published the cartoons under the headline, "Yes, one has the right to caricature God."
On Friday, the French newspaper Liberation published two of the cartoons, on page 3. At the French television network TF1, the main newscast broadcast at least one of the cartoons in a full-screen graphic, and the BBC has also been showing them.
Both France Soir and Die Welt said they were publishing the cartoons in solidarity with Jyllands-Posten, which they said has the right to publish the cartoons in a free society with a free press. France Soir published the cartoons under the headline, "Yes, one has the right to caricature God."
On Friday, the French newspaper Liberation published two of the cartoons, on page 3. At the French television network TF1, the main newscast broadcast at least one of the cartoons in a full-screen graphic, and the BBC has also been showing them.
Polish/Danish infidel:
Not sure, but I will be there at noon. Hopefully my fellow liberals can see through the racist, hateful islamofascist FUD:
Embassy of Denmark
55 Sloane Street
London, SW1X 9SR
Hopefully frredom loving Poles will be doing the same in Warsaw!
A libereral has an epiphany
"Muslims use Western standards of behavior against Westerners while also holding Westerners to Islamic standards of behavior; while at the same time never accepting Western standards of behavior."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/kw60203.htm
I wonder if the notion that islam is the fastest growing religion is actually true. I mean, they keep flinging out different "more than" numbers...
"More than a billion muslims..."
"More than 1.2 billion muslims..."
"More than 1.3 billion muslims..."
"More than 1.5 billion muslims..."
"More than 1.7 billion muslims..."
I mean, which is it? One would think they'd use the highest possible "more than" number, but they keep changing it...
I think more people are leaving than converting to Islam, in Western countries anyway. It continues to grow through immigration to the West.
I don't think its the fastest growing though.
LiberalNotQuisling, you can count on Poles at least here in London. I will be there, but a bit later 2ish! Long live Denamrk!
Solidarity is a wonderful word my Polish pal. See you there...
LiberalNotQuisling,
Thank you! I am Solidarity generation.We fought for our freedom and we will continue to do so for everybody else's. For Yours and Our Freedom!
LiberalNotQuisling,
Have you been there? It was a bit of a downer...:-( No Danish flags or anti-slogans in support of Denmark. Do you know what the thugs on the other side of the road were chanting? And what did it say on the flags? I went to the Embassy entrance hoping to get some flags but the police stopped me. It seemed to me that there were only reporters (many of them from Muslim countries!) outside the Embassy. Unfortunately I wasn't able to stay longer than some 40 minutes (extended lunch-break) so not sure what happened afterwards. It is such a pity that all "the Danes" (as you said we all are) were not able to organize some sort of demonstration of support with boards and Danish flags. I do not think the Embassy got impressions that many people outside were standing up for them....what do you think? what were your observations?
From The Daily Telegraph:
"Demonstrators in London have begun gathering at Regent's Park mosque following Friday prayers. They plan to march to the Danish embassy in Sloane Street.
The protesters held placards, one declaring: "Behead the one who insults the prophet." Another said: "Free speech go to hell."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/03/ucartoon.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/03/ixportaltop.html
Jack the Man of Straw showed his lack of spine yet again!
Embassy of Denmark
55 Sloane Street
London, SW1X 9SR
Saturday afternoon 4th February!
It's gonna be Cable Street the 60th Anniversary Edition. Lets go and counter the FUD of the islamonazis tomorrow. Vidkung Galloway and those Sturmer reading scum at MPAC will be there.
Let's show them that Brits who love liberty (and whose fathers died in huge numbers for that liberty) that we are not doormats.
All victims of islamofascism should come. Even lefties who actually believe in women's rights, gay rights, etc.
Come on, or let them take over...
Polish: A few of us are getting together tomorrow. Unfortunately some of my liberal chums seem to have forgotten what OUR martyrs have died for over the millenia: FREEDOM
I've woken up now. Tell me, can there be such a thing as liberal-fundamentalist? if so that's what I bloody well am
WE HAVE SEEN THE CARTOONS
WELL THE CHILDRENS BOOK THAT STARTED THIS HAS NOW BEEN PUBLISHED AND WILL BE IN THE STORES THIS MONTH
The Koran and the life of the prophet Mohammed
BY
Kåre Bluitgen
Høst & Søn Denmark ISBN 87-638-0049-7 24-01-05
It is a work of art
A preview can be seen on my thread
czeck it out
http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=23134&highlight=#23134
LiberalNotQuisling, what time is it tomorrow???
Can we at last wave Danish flags? They would not let it today. By the way, have you seen the footage on BBC news tonight? On one hand incitement to violence and murder by the bloody Muslims and on the other hand the policeman ordering in a very dictatorial way this poor man, who had lost his temper and was trying to convey a few words of truth to those lunatic Muslims, back into his car!
So glad that "democracy" thing is working so well with the devout Muslims in Afghanistan...!