To see the Muhammad cartoons, click here.
Big surprise here. From AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, marking the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, told tens of thousands of his countrymen Saturday that the United States and Europe should pay a heavy price for publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, saying the West had become a tool of "Zionism."Denmark, where the cartoons first were published four months ago, said it was temporarily pulling its envoys from Tehran, Syria and Indonesia, where buildings housing Copenhagen's diplomatic missions have come under attacks from angry Muslim demonstrators....
"I ask everybody in the world not to let a group of Zionists who failed in Palestine (referring to the recent Hamas victory in Palestinian elections) to insult the prophet.
"Now in the West insulting the prophet is allowed, but questioning the Holocaust is considered a crime," he said. "We ask, why do you insult the prophet? The response is that it is a matter of freedom, while in fact they (who insult the founder of Islam) are hostages of the Zionists. And the people of the US and Europe should pay a heavy price for becoming hostages to Zionists," he declared.
will the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,
ask for the death of the muslim cartoon makers who added to the Danish original cartoons? you know when the Danish ones were just too tame, they added on three more, more vile to prove a point, that they know better and what cartoons lurks into the minds of westerners really?
and when this Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
says its okay for the west to dipict cartoons of muhammad, and not okay iranians to deny the holocaust, did the west then protest and ask for this Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's death?
is there a comparision.. this is only the logic behind the islamafacist mind..
Slow the hell down! I'm having a hard time keeping up here. Just a few minutes ago Iran was blaming the Americans for the Danish cartoons. Now they're blaming Israel? What next, the Molucca Islanders?
Right. They probably won't go quite that far. But still, seriously, is this what it looks like when a prominent head of state has a bona fide "nervous breakdown" in front of the whole wide world?
Only one thing: questioning the Holocaust is not a crime everywhere in the West, certainly not in the U.S.
See my comment on these remarks.
And also on the official Danish report to the U.N. on their investigation into the cartoons.
D. Ox
http://thomistic.blogspot.com
They are screaming from the top of their mosques,they are saying it loud and clear,they are repeating it over and over again:we hate infidels,we want to kill or convert all infidels,we want to dominate the world....and yet,we still don`t get it.
Mr.President Bush,islam is not a religion of peace and love,it is not a religion at all,it is a killing cult that would gladly behead you,your wife and your twin daughters,together with all the infidels in the civilized world.
Please,Mr.President,for God`s sake you morons in the mainstream media and corrupt politicians,please wake up!!!!
""Now in the West insulting the prophet is allowed, but questioning the Holocaust is considered a crime," he said. "We ask, why do you insult the prophet? The response is that it is a matter of freedom, while in fact they (who insult the founder of Islam) are hostages of the Zionists. And the people of the US and Europe should pay a heavy price for becoming hostages to Zionists,""
For once I agree with him. I dont care one second about the Holocaust. But I am abashed by the cencorship and double-standards around it. There should be no sacred cow in the West.
"And the people of the US and Europe should pay a heavy price for becoming hostages to Zionists," he declared."
Could Ahmadinejad be alluding (gasp) to all those bubbling pots of uranium-soon-to-be-nukes. This guy needs an immediate IV drip of Haldol before he begins watching Dr. Strangelove over and over and... I can see it all coming, A-jad saddling up like Slim Pickens and riding the nuke down to Armageddon, waving his turban and spewing islamoflatulence.
I do not know about you but it took me sometime to accept the fact that the whole West owes its backbones to the Jews. Let us face it but we are a Judeo-Christian culture. Therefore, by protecting the damn Jews we are protecting our own cultural DNA.
Israel and Greece are the fountains from which our civilization was born. The West and the Jews are branches of the same tree. Islam is our enemy. Anyone who doubts it ought to read the evil book, the Koran. There they will find that Mo wanted badly to be a Jew and he was rejected.
"Tehran (dpa) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Saturday that the Palestinians and “other nations” will eventually remove Israel from the region."
I think this is a classic case of what Freud (and others in the field), have called "projection." I think Mr. Ahmadinejad means that he will eventually remove from the region.
Please say hello to the 72 virgins for me, Mr. Ahmadinejad. (Personally, I prefer a wee bit more experience in my womem (yummy), but I will refrain from judgement....)
Remind me again... why don't we just nuke Iran?
Remind me again... why don't we just nuke Iran?
Posted by: disillusioned_german
Maybe because we are not mass murderers nor think like mass murderers unlike you!
Remind me again... why don't we just nuke Iran?
Might just come to that, methinks. But it won't be those crude Hiroshima kinda bombs this time. its gonna be a sleek, smart, targetted bunker-busting piece of high technology that will takeout the venomous fangs but maybe leave the rest of the snake intact....
Maybe because we are not mass murderers nor think like mass murderers unlike you!
Last I heard, nuke based mass-murder wasn't carried out by the nazis/fascists though I've no doubt that if Hitler had a nuke, he'd lob it unthinkingly upon London (or Moscow?)...
Oi, Cyber Punk... you're in the wrong decade - in case you haven't noticed. Go back 30 years and you can happily run around with green hair. P.S.: I've been told sniffing glue is bad for your brain (in case you ever had one).
I think it is time to bring out the crowd control weapons that make the Radical Muslim hold their ears and drop to their knees. Yes....that should work just fine.
Mohammed Dance - Check it out!
http://www.mohammeddance.com/
Ranoir, I linked over to the Jesus dance and thought that was better. Jesus wouldn't threaten to kill you if you mocked him and he probably did dance.
The descendants of Ishmael are still pissed that Isaac received Gods' promise.
Posted by US Infidel:
"Are you one of those neo-Nazi ignoramuses who deny the Holocaust?"
No. I'm a liberal who question censorship at every turn, not just when it pleases him. As I said, I dont care about the Holocauste, if its real or not. What I care about, is our inability to freely discuss the subject.
"Ahmadinejad blames Israel for cartoons."
Hmm. Ahmadinejad and the mullahs have gotten their wires crossed again: An earlier posting today-- "Iran tells Muslims to target U.S., not Denmark, over cartoons"-- had a senior cleric in Tehran instructing his congregation thusly.
It may seem like a small difference: Zionists, Crusaders, they're all depraved denizens of Dar al-Harb to the armchair jihadist.
But it is another symptom of the conflict between the mullahs' pragmatic taqqiya and the obsessions of the megalomaniacal Ahmadinejad.
The mullahs know that the Israel/Holocaust issue is a big red button with "Do Not Press" written on it as far as the West is concerned, while the US is considered fair game for anklebiters around the world. On the other hand, Ahmadinejad is so convinced the Mahdi is right around the corner that he figures that's the only listener he has to cater to.
While Danish Consulates burned, Egypt blasphemed against Jews and Christians.
http://plancksconstant.blogspot.com/2006/02/while-danish-consulates-burned-egypt.html
The reason Muslims insist on the holocaust being a myth is that the only literature they can read are books favorable to Islam. All other religions are demeaned and dismissed. It is funny how so many Muslims say that we would not insult them if only we knew more about Islam.
The reason that most Americans and Europeans tolerate Islam is precisely because they no almost nothing about Islam. The more you know about Islam the less you want them to be on the same planet.
Ranoir: Thanks for the link to Mohammed Dance. Very funny. Hope the author stays hidden.
US Infidel
It was precisely the west's indifference to the massacres of Christian Armenians that laid the the path for Hitler's extermination of the Jews.
ahfter as ElLdiot just stated-'As I said,
'I dont care about the Holocauste, if its real or not. What I care about, is our inability to freely discuss the subject.'
The extermination of Millions of Armenian Christians by muslims was something that we "did not care about' either.
The Armenian Massacres set a precedent by showing to Hitler and his accomplices that large numbers of innocent people could be murdered with scant protest by the "civilized" world.
Is it therefore moral to care only about the right to debate freely these events whilst not caring about the events themselves?
The Holocaust is not only about the massacre of Jews in an state sanctioned industrialist environment, it also include the massacres of some 11 million souls judged also to be subhuman by Hitler and his acolytes. Namely Slavs. Poles, Gypsies and other groups.
And yes once again, the 'civilised' west did as in the case of the earlier Armenian genocide stand back and did little to prevent it happening
Elliot, you say about the Holocaust: "What I care about, is our inability to freely discuss the subject."
Where do you live? If you are in the United States, there is nothing to hinder you from discussing the Holocaust. Are you in some country where the subject is off limits?
PS
and of course we proggressive liberals can spend eons talking about or denying it , even if we did nothing to prevent it, or indeed do not give a damn about it in the first place.
And Zionism well!
Zionism is not a mere nationalistic or chauvinistic caprice, but the last desperate stand of the Jews against annihilation (1911 Encyclopedia Britannica)
Those Jews who forsaw the coming of the Holocaust did realise that a thoudand years of pogroms would not vanish with the coming of democracy and technological achievement.
That what would ensue would be a far more efficient scientific way of murdering them.
Texan
there are no off limits countries to scholarly discussion of the Holocaust.
If i were to say " i have information that Rudolf Hoss personally stopped the killings of several Jews out of compassion whilst commander of Auschwitz" that would not be Holocaust denial, Even though he was known to have shot inmates dead for fun from his villa's balcony.
But to say that all the inmates of Auschwitz died from illnesses or food poisoning is a position that cannot be held tenable in the light of overwhelming evidence and is therefore malicious.
After all if you were a relative of one of the US soldiers who died at Pearl Harbour how would you feel about a ravisionist "Historian" telling you that there was no Japanese attack and all the soldiers went A wall? and the US gov invented the whole story as cover up?
because this is exactly what the revisionists are saying about the Holocaust.
Well, Chevalier;
We have the same situation here: After 9/11 the US tried to 'reason' with the sand-monkeys from the ME, but even 4 years later they (the Arab Muslims) don't get it and our administration is at a loss as to what 'Islam' is all about.
With the Nazi's it was kind of clear and straight forward.
With the Japanese the same.
Now you have a 5th column, behind enemy lines, 25 million in Europe, who will hide behind their wife's and children while shooting at you and you don't dare to shoot back because you don't want to hurt (their) children:
So YOU get killed.
How do you feel about these swine who'll tell you that 'the CIA and the Mossad' did the WTC, that 'BLair blew up the London subway because he wants to have more powers against Muslims', etc.etc. and while they spit in our face we still put up with this stupidity and let wimps like Jack (Chamberlain) Straw and worthless creeps like Balkenende in Holland and Zapatero in Spain and all the lefty loony excrement's in the media tell us about "moderate Muslims?"
There are NO moderates!
Internment and deportations NOW!
Pictures of Mohammed by Islamic painters have been depicted in Islamic art in centuries past. This is not surprising since the Quran goes into some detail about the Prophet's appearance. As a current student of Islam I have some of the paintings showing Mohammed with his disciples in my study material. However, they are tasteful. To say, therefore, that pictures of Mohammed have always been forbidden in Islam is false. The Quran does not expressely forbid depictions of people or animals, but this prohibition has varied between majority Islamic cultures, some being stricter than others on this matter.
The cartoons, however, could not be called tasteful 'art.' Many Moslems obviously see the cartoons as making fun of the Prophet and I think this is likely to be the crux of the matter. Mohammed is seen as pure and undefiled by Moslems and the pictures might not have attracted so much controversy had they not portrayed him as a figure of fun. I think it is often difficult for non-Muslims to understand the depth of feelings about this issue.
Virgo.
Pictures of Mohammed by Islamic painters have been depicted in Islamic art in centuries past. This is not surprising since the Quran goes into some detail about the Prophet's appearance. As a current student of Islam I have some of the paintings showing Mohammed with his disciples in my study material. However, they are tasteful. To say, therefore, that pictures of Mohammed have always been forbidden in Islam is false. The Quran does not expressely forbid depictions of people or animals, but this prohibition has varied between majority Islamic cultures, some being stricter than others on this matter.
The cartoons, however, could not be called tasteful 'art.' Many Moslems obviously see the cartoons as making fun of the Prophet and I think this is likely to be the crux of the matter. Mohammed is seen as pure and undefiled by Moslems and the pictures might not have attracted so much controversy had they not portrayed him as a figure of fun. I think it is often difficult for non-Muslims to understand the depth of feelings about this issue.
Virgo.
Virgo - Piss Christ. Notice no one Died when it was brought out.
I think most non-muslims have a Very good idea. But if we can put up with it, so can they.
Virgo
What is difficult for us that don’t believe in the pure and undefiled prophet, is the shameless sense of entitlement that Moslems have. Only Moslems believe they have a right to free speech, only Moslems can criticize other religions, only Moslems have a right to the mythical land of Palestine. Moslems never do anything wrong and if they do its only because the infidel made them. Why is it we always have to make some effort to understand Moslems? Is it because of their sense of entitlement?
Here is an example of the Moslem sense of entitlement :
The Qur’an and thus Moslems deny Jesus Christ, both His death and His deity, which from a Christian perspective is blasphemy, yet a Christian or anyone else isn’t aloud to criticize Mohammad, without having their life threatened by thousands of “peaceful Moslems”. So its ok for a Moslem to blaspheme my God, but I cant blaspheme theirs!
I have made an effort to understand the Moslems perspective,
they do what they do because Mohammad told them to.
Now will any Moslems take the time to understand why Christians aren’t killing them for blasphemy?
I checked out the Moh dance & the Jesus dance. Being a Christian I am not comfortable with the Jesus dance (it would work much better if they left out the crucifix).
But I wouldn't kill you over it.
dococ, ditto!
Jesus must have been a life loving man, turning water to wine and enjoying the company of kids.
In a very different way than "the respectable prophet" of the Muslims.
Elliot-
For discussion of Holocaust:
Visit Museum (it is big building, filled with much stuff) in big city (called Washington, D.C., also known as the "Capital") of large country (named "United States").
Or open a book (rectangular container of slivers of paper with words on them) available at any American library (large enclosed structures filled with many such "books").
Be prepared to be shocked.
Talk about Holocaust has been going on unhindered by your fear censorship in big U.S. since 1944 when Polish Resistance fighter Jan Karski wrote a "book" (see previous explanation of such things) called "Story of a Secret State". It exposed the death camps before they were supposed to "to be offically acknowledged to exist" (since big allied governments didn't want be disracted into using scarce war stuff to bomb non-military targets. Plus, they were afraid that anti-semities in America and Britain might say that the war had become "a battle for the Jews and not against the Nazis", as crazy as that sounds now... or maybe not to you.)
It was "best-seller". (That mean many copies sold to people who could "read".)
All I have to say to you is:
Ugh.
This guy is all over the place. Next thing, he'll be claiming that the Israelis were the ones behind the "Brinks job!" What's worst, the mainstream media will run with it!!!