Australian pols: Multiculturalism needs better promotion

very off topic:

I can't pick up the whole article because I'm not a subscriber, but here's the URL to a recent New York Sun article about an "alliance" Jean-Marie LePen is proposing to enter into with France's Muslim community that may interest some of you.

I've written here many times about the dangers of flirting with the extreme right as a bastion against Islamofacism. Seems that LePen ain't much of a bastian after all (just a bastard):

http://www.nysun.com/article/27822

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Tobacco is SACRED

I have been following recent news with great interest and I feel that in the spirit of equal opportunity, I as a descendant of the Ani-Yun-Wi-Ya. (Total of all real people) should point out that I have found the lack of respect and Honor accorded the Sacred Herb of my Ancestors, highly offensive.Since it appears that in some quarters decisions have been made to avoid offending other religions even to the extent of discarding basic Liberties and Freedoms then my Religion too should be accorded the same respect.

"Jean-Marie LePen is proposing to enter into with France's Muslim community"

Thats Le Pens political suicide note.

Watch out for Sarkozy taking millions of disaffected Front Nationale voters.

Le Pen really is just an old style Vichy French fascist anti-semite bastard who has no relevancy to the world today.

Goodbye Mr Le Pen.

And the Pinto needed a better ad campaign. "Less likely to explode than previous models!"

The sad fact is that our present day politicians in the West seems to have been lulled into a state of complacency where Islam is concerned. The warnings are there on the wall for all to see, from the time Islam broke out of primitive Arabia and spread by the sword, annihilating and destroying small and great civilizations. Our leaders in recent years made the unpardonable mistake imaginable, by allowing Muslims to settle in great numbers in the in the west, an act of unprecedented stupidity in the literal sense, and one that may yet prove lethal to Western and Christian civilizations; if we do not reverse this policy immediately.Good example of this error can now been seen in little Denmark , France, Sweden, UK and so on, and that's just the beginning.

All concerned citizens should bring this to the notice of our elected representatives before its too late, like what happened to Coptic Egypt, Zoroastrian Persia, Hindu India, Buddhist/Hindu Malaysia & Indonesia and so forth may happen here if we do not act. Are we stupid or what?

Ah yes, the benefits of multiculturalism -academic mediocrity, intolerance of the established culture, toleration of bizarre and transgressive behavior, balkanization, and finally, war.

Forget about brining it to the attention of your elected officials. They are completely in line with the establishment media and the ivory tower academics on this matter. In America, multiculturalism is now a generational institution. It cannot be touched. It's a done deal.

faqi posted

Our leaders in recent years made the unpardonable mistake imaginable, by allowing Muslims to settle in great numbers in the in the west, an act of unprecedented stupidity in the literal sense, and one that may yet prove lethal to Western and Christian civilizations; if we do not reverse this policy immediately.

I agree totally. I posted something very similar yesterday.

All this mantra by our politicians and MSM of islam is a RoP has two possible reasons

1.They wish to keep things quiet and not allow large scale civil disturbance from the native population. Understandable.

2. They wish to hide the fact of their enormous policy blunder. This must be obvious now to the even meanest mind. The rub is that if they admitted that islam is not a RoP, then they would all be guilty of putting the West and civilisation in jeopardy.

What the politicians have bequeathed future generations is continuous conflict and even civil wars and partitions of nations. They hope however that it wont happen in their lifetime, or not while they are in power, and they wont get the blame.

As evidence, witness the witless Carter desparately trying to defend the Palestinian cause - the ones he resurrected in the Camp David accords. Ofcourse the Israelis had more then a hand in that act of gross stupidity. Then they followed it up with "Oslo" in tandem with Clinton. Again we see Clinton doing virtually the same thing as Carter - both trying to defend their political "legacy" as it slowly and inevitably unravels before all.

A similar thing is now happening with politicians trying to defend the indefensible - the cover up of bad, nay fatal policy error of allowing muslims to settle in the West. They do this by

1. Islam is RoP

2. Tiny handful etc

3. Vast majority are moderate muslims etc

But contrary evidence keeps coming out and biting us.

The cat is definitely out of the bag now - and it was a few strokes of the pen by a caricaturist that let it out. HA HA HA!

I will now open that bottle of Old Peculiar - a really fine ale.

Multiculturalists would have us believe that sacred tribal practices such as cannibalism must be repected and allowed to flourish in our midst.

Not all cultures are equal and worthy of respect and protection. If you are a cannibal and wish to immigrate to the West then you must leave your practice behind. If you are Muhammedan and wish to immigrate to the West then you must leave your misogyny and discrimination based on religious belief behind and you must embrace the notion of sovereignty of the people and the rule of parliamentary law. There is no place, no place, in the West for loyalty to a parallel universe of shari'a law nor for any other exemption from the rule of parliamentary law.

Muslims have been in Australia for 100 years: yes, they have.

In 1915, 2 muslims went on a Jihad in Broken Hill, where they killed 4 people on a train. They wrote suicide notes telling people that they did it for their religion.

There's always Phillippe de Villiers to vote for in France.

Voltaire - that 1915 thing - I read about it a very right wing newspaper. Where did you hear about it?

The Muslims 100 years ago in Australia were nothing more than camel drivers. Not politicians, lawyers, doctors etc. Nor were they in large numbers.

Why? Because the predominantly Christian population (the majority in Australia back then)100 years ago in this country was ANTI MUSLIM. I know as my grandmother was. The Humanist minority of the time were also happy with this status quo re Muslims.

Today the Humanist majority, and many of our Christian population have been brainwashed by do-gooders & multi-culti types who hate our culture, and hence have watered it down with Islam. Not real smart. It will now only lead to war, as that is all the Religion of Peace brings.

"Keysar Trad, from the Islamic Friendship Association"

This 'peace loving' Muslim once worked for the Grand Mufti of Australia who said that it was OK to be a homocide bomber overseas (aka Israel and Iraq).

We didn't even hear one word of protest from this snake, Keyser Trad.

My dog's poo smells better than the words this liar speaks.

Keysar Trad, from the Islamic Friendship Association, says the Federal Government needs to be more pro-active about multiculturalism.

What a meaningless and vague statement. You can take that to mean anything. I'd like it to mean that the feds stop further Muslim migration to Oz (including family reunification) and start cleaning out the mess we've got. Demanding that Muslims stop with the anti-Australian attitudes. Deporting and stripping of citizenship of any cleric found to be preaching hatred of our values. Jailing of the homegrown ones. That'll promote multiculturalism and not their monoculturalism.

But I doubt Trad's got that in mind. He probably reckons the feds have to throw more money at Islamic "Friendship" societies to promote whitewashed versions of Islam to Australians. Or even, as Ameer Ali has suggested, to teach Islam to our high school students, so that we "understand" them. Of course, it'll be the fairytale version, and places the onus of responsibility on us, as usual.

3rdtimelucky: I get the same reaction whenever I see Trad on the telly, as I do when I smell dog poo.

And re the Broken Hill attack - it can be found on community history websites. Nothing right-wing about it. Just a bit of our history. Apparently those two Afghans identified with their Turkish brothers and shot up a train of people going to a picnic. Sounds familiar.

feralee - without giving too much away - let's just say as an educator myself - I go out of my way to tell all my students the truth about Islam.

I fully expect to get into trouble eventually - but bugger it - it's my country and it's the truth.

3rdtimelucky:
Good on you and keep it up. Our education system needs more like you and if this expected trouble does happen to come your way, let us know. I am sure there are people here who would be more than happy to support you in any way possible.

If you are able to discuss further, how is your information received? Are you questioned or are you not at the point where influence has taken hold?

And just a general whinge, but why is the truth no longer a defence against accusations of defamation, racism etc. Just gives me the irrits...

27 January 2006,
Andrew Bartlett wrote an article on Online Opinion a long running widely read Aussie political debate forum, on this forum, he partook in discussion on multicult with the public, he was answering posts until Thursday, 16 February. There was a huge plea (200 odd comments) to him to take into account the huge damage islam is doing to Australia.

I posted a link to an old hate-speech from Keysar Trad from a NSW islam hate site, that has since been taken down by the islamists that ran the site.

I just happen to have it preserved here please pass it around.

http://worldwar111.blogspot.com/2006/01/keysar-trad-racism-islamic-response.html

Also I posted an article fro Bartlett from the Greenies on Keysar Trad’s hate for homosexual life. http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2002/519/519p7b.htm
(I have more detailed transcripts of this homosexual hate from moderate islam in Australia if anyone is interested.)

Other posters showed him Mark Duries witness statement for the vilification case in Victoria
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001307.php

Also piles of other links of info for him from many posters at the online opinion forum.

So much for Andrew Bartlett listening to the people here is the article and you can read his article and the comments on it as well here:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4099

As for polls in Australia, every month or so one is run on a current affair show of some sort its always 90% plus against multicult.

I read somewhere last night Keysar Trad has been dumped by the islamic friendship council, I don’t know if this is correct yet, even so he’s the main mouth piece for moderate islam in Australia.

Looks like Halali or what ever his name is, is awake again too.

Hello 3rdtimelucky
Well done! I do my best to promote the truth about Islam wherever I find an opportunity. I have studied the Qur'an, Hadith (I'm getting to the Sirra - this stuff is really hard work, but mostly boring) and compiled a mass of news stories, reports, articles etc (all sourced). If you ever need any of these, just give me a yell.

I have found talk-back radio a great opportunity to "get the word out". I never initiate the subject so as be too easily be labelled a radical, but chime in whenever the opportunity presents itself (and aren't we getting a lot lately?). I follow-up my statements by sending an email to the presenter with references, quotes and sources. As a result, two weeks ago I was asked to go on-air and be interviewed and followed by a local imam who would respond. Without boring you with a blow-by-blow account, I can say that he was floundering. He even stumbled over, and failed to answer, the question "Who are the infidels"?

Earlier this week, I responded to a caller on another programme who claimed that Hamas was nothing but a "charitable" organisation building schools and doing all kinds of good works. I was amazed at the response from callers over the next few hours. All were saying that they didn't know enough to comment themselves but appreciated hearing someone articulate what was their "gut feeling" on these issues.

Meredith, there was an ACA poll recently asking if we should scrap MC. 97% said YES. People are sick of it, and they've got Islam in mind, nobody else.

I was going to say how bizarre that someone like Trad, a member of the world's most rabid MONOculture, would say we need to be more pro-actively multicultural. But then MC referred to here is that PeeCee, self-loathing policy. The policy that is all about destroying the host culture and replacing it with a bunch of incompatible, separate tribes, because the MC mantra is "all cultures are equal but certain ones are more equal than others", and that we should never criticise even the most awful aspects of any foreign culture. But go ahead, tear down everything this country has fought and worked for.

So this is the perfect environment for Islam to grow, fester and take over. Official policy that forbids us to criticise it. Official policy that gives them funds for da'wa. Official policy that teaches our kids to hate their country and culture. Islam using our own system for its gain, without spilling a drop of blood.

That Trad's obviously vying for a political position, I'm sure of it. He's everywhere lately. Making sure he's front and centre. Very busy man. But too stressed out to work at a real job apparently. The poor dear suffered a 'midlife crisis' a while back, had to quit his office job. Now we pay him a disability pension, so he can destroy our country. Aren't we stupid.

firstky in defence of John Howard, a great atatesman , who is the envy of mant countries, it would be grossly unfair to suggest that he is unaware of the dangers that Islam poses to any society it attaches itself too, As a politician he is unable to use free speech in the way that journalits like Andrew Bolt, for example is able to do.
The Muslim Brotherhood makes it clear that muslims must create ghettos in the land of the infidel and not spread themselves thinly on the ground. The advantages of such ghettos are numerous for islam. Apart from the obvious ease with which muslims can be controlled by their Imams , the main benefit is the political multiplier leverage on government, enabling only a tiny percentage of immigrants to wield power well in excess of their numbers when compared to other immigrant groups who do not form ghetto societies.
Such ghettos become increasingly difficult to monitor or access by the liberalized police all over the western world (not only in Australia).
Ghettos also imply victimisation to the westerner who have seen Jews congregate in them to avoid persecution and beatings since the start of the first crusade. Thus using the suffering of Jews and the guilt of Christians, astute Muslims can establish themselves as poor victims of western society in the eyes of those infidels on the outside.
Islam uses ghettos to place pressure on western societies which are far far in excess of the influence it should actually hold.
How can Howard rectify this problem before it becomes endemic? Can he insist that new immigrants settle in alternative parts of Australia and how could such policies be upheld.
Will these enclaves ultimately adopt sharia Law and becomes states within the country

It is great of our prime minister to cut through all the PC crap and speak the truth on these issues. Although, he is advocating,as part of his plans to prevent terrorism, the introduction of a draconian ID card that won't actually stop terrorism. Much like retard Blair's biometric ID card in the UK I'm guessing.
So, like all politicians, he decides the best way to deal with these Muslim idiots is to put the entire nation under surveilance. I guess that's the inevitable result of a growing Islamic population. A police state.

3rd time lucky, I first saw it on a TV program with George Negus. Then I looked it up on the internet.

Feralee,

Totally agreed, he’s wanting power. One on hand its good he’s a spokesman as he’s so obviously anti Australian and that’s maybe better than who ever may take up his place with more smooth taq’(can’t spell the word for “lying for islam”). If he’s really had that breakdown and is on a pension, one dole check a week for the constant public reminder islam is dam ugly maybe worth it from our tax dollars.

What’s his name the crank historian who got jailed for denying the holocaust and those Australian flag burning kits the lefty teens are selling for $5 a pop atm, are all free speech. We Aussies will not kill our nihilist teens nor did the Jews kill Irving. The cartoons are making it all clear to the general public. Islam is insane and its not just a small few.

Then again why support anyone when they clearly hate Australians and any opinion other than pro-PC or islam. The funded dawah conversion stuff… is not on at all.

I find this dam offensive:

An essay on how to implement darwah in Australia comments “Australia is not a developing country so that the Malaysian concepts presented cannot necessarily be applied directly (without modification) to Australian conditions - except in the case of the Aboriginal Community which is a "developing" community.”

It seems so calculated.

http://www.ifew.com/insight/v12i01/dawaprop.html

IFEW stands for Islamic Foundation for Education and Welfare based in Bonnyrigg NSW Australia..

chevalier de st george,

You are so correct in your fear of enclaves... on step maybe to chuck money at an x muslim and non muslim protection police force and lobbying for legislation to provide it.

John Howard has taken the first step in official regognition of the negative social effect of a non-secular entity in a secular and modern society. Next we lobby for legislations.

Sandi M

What your doing is wonderful, can you leave a note when you will be on the radio again, if you feel comfy to that is. Even just to know the radio show to start listening to.

Hi, meredith, and thank you
I just feel that on forums such as Dhimmi Watch, Jihad Watch, Tim Blair etc, we are all sitting at our keyboards grateful to have found fellow thinkers; in other words preaching to the converted. What we need to be doing is to get the message OUT into the wider community, wherever we are.
Please forgive the length, but this is (most of)the email I sent in to a presenter at 6PR in Perth WA which resulted in the interview I mentioned.

I’ve been learning all I can about Islam since 9/11. Much of the reading is very tough going as Islamic writers tend to use a lot of Arabic words. I have a few glossaries and a dictionary which I’ve downloaded, as well as the Qur'an and Hadith (Sira coming soon).
Now the Qur'an is very tough going. No context, no chronology, and repetition, repetition, repetition. At least in the Hadith they tried for some semblance of chronology.
Unfortunately, very few Muslims seem to actually read the Qur'an, Hadith or other “sacred” books. I think they just believe what their imams tell them, or just read the "recommended" books ABOUT Islam. To read the real thing requires a very strong stomach - murder and more murder, rape and more rape, slavery, deceit, assassinations, robbery, even how to urinate and defecate according to how the prophet did it. YES! And only use stones or leaves, not dried dung, to wipe your bum. And make sure you do that an odd number of times - the prophet didn’t like even numbers. Oh! and don’t speak while doing your business, the prophet didn’t like that either. Also, you must remember to enter the toilet area with your left foot first and leave with your right foot first (knowing you, you’ll make sure you do it the other way around, I have no doubt). The Islamic “sacred” books are absolutely obsessed with bodily functions, murder and sex. As I said, not an easy read, and not just because they are so muddled, illogical and, in parts, just plain ridiculous.
This is not a religion - it's a cult - complete what-when-and-how-to 24/7 of everything, literally. Now Howard, always remember to put your shoes on right foot first. Always wash out your nose three times on waking because the Shaytaan (Satan) sleeps in there (you’d better believe it, Muhammad said so). And never, ever, sleep lying on your left side -- or on your belly either. See what I mean? If you must know what must be said before intercourse, or what must be said on entering your bride, the imams have rulings all set and ready to go. Dinkum!
There are online Q&A sites (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=engwhere ) where imams give rulings on even the most intimate of “female problems” and intimacies of the marriage bed as well as ordinary, everyday matters that we wouldn’t give a second thought. Muslims require these ruling of the imams to ensure that they do not offend Allah. I kid you not. And, yes, I’ve downloaded much of it - because it is so hard to grasp that people actually live this way, and call it “beautiful Islam”; also because I need to remind myself from time to time just what kind of people have declared war on us. I am happy to send anything I have on file.
Why have I put so much time and effort into studying Islam? Simple. I have two sons, four grandsons and two granddaughters (the youngest not yet one year old). I owe it to them to understand and pass on what the Western world is facing because, as Muhammad vowed, they will fight us until the end of days. Surely it can’t be too much trouble to find out what we, and our future generations, are up against.
And watch out for Al (Al-taqiyya, that is), y’hear?
ENDS

So, there you have it. I've also contacted op-ed and feature writers of major newspapers in similar vein. We've got to do more than just talk among ourselves.

AngryMuppet- Why isn't truth a defence anymore? Many schools teach kids that truth is relative (goes hand in hand with multi-culti, everyone is right, nobody is wrong, don't offend anyone)- so their truth could be different to yesterday's "truth". It's a BIG philosophical topic! We see it here all the time on DW/JW when religious/worldview debates break out. I suppose today as a society we all have our own “truth” – and it causes many problems (it’s an old debate – Pilate says to Christ “What is Truth???”) . But that aside – we can show students what a fraud is when one comes along (Islam!)

Do other teachers/students listen - too right they do. I keep a copy of the "holy" Koran on my desk, and when any brainwashed individual comes along, I get it out and start reading it to them! I then highlight how generic its passages are compared to say the OT Bible (as that’s the usual comeback - "Oh all holy books have parts like that"). Many students are shocked – especially the girls when I read the sexist passages/bashing passages – and I show that they are all through the book – not just in one part. I highlight the problems in “interpreting” this book.

The kids lap it up like you wouldn't believe. They know that something is wrong with Islam - well most of them. I even refer a few of them to this site.

I am also very careful to ensure that I target Islam the philosophy, and not Muslims the people. I highlight the fact that some of my relatives are ex-Muslims who didn't even know what their Arabic book said!

Thanks for the support and offers of help all (SandiM). On a positive note - I now have many teachers teaching the truth about Islam and they are hungry for info also. They used to just teach the five “pillars” drivel and “Islam is Peace” crap. Now my students understand that terrorism is not the fault of the “Great Satan”. Thank god for an alternate education system outside the state system that cannot dictate as much (although they still do)! I have a few of Daniel Scots books, along with the material of an ex-Iranian fundamentalist Muslim politician. Their stuff is awesome. I only hope to see the day when state schoolers can teach freely also - without fear of loosing their jobs.

SandiM – well done on the radio – keep up the good work!!!!!!! The more of us that do these things – the more our country will remain AUSTRALIAN! Goto go - I'm at work!