Blair under pressure after defeats in parliament

"For now"...dead words in twenty or thirty years.

I'm not aware of Moslems suffering major threats in the UK. I am aware of them intimidating all who disagree with them or more accurately intimidating those they disagree with.

Salman Rushdie is not afforded protection from Islam but the proposed law would protect Moslems from Salman Rushdie. What a joke...

It's the same sort of joke that responds to moslem bombers in London with statements like "can't you see that Islam is the religion of peace." Then proceeds to give moslems millions of pounds to help moderate them...

I note that Britain interned all the Italian British during WWII for a much less threat.

In one constiuency you have a famous jewish labour MP supporting this law because he has lots of intolerant heateful pakistani descended voters.

Why do they term it religious hatred when what they mean is "upsetting moslems".

After all, no such law was necessary with the sectarian disagreements in Northern Ireland.

By all accounts every debate with a Moslem organisation has the moslem speakers offending other religions with impunity: Generally they use tactical debating style to ridicule other belief systems and say next to nothing about what they believe.

I think this is because what they believe is genuinely funny.

I think the ultimate in pot calling the kettle black was Shabir Ali flying in from Canada to debate with Mormons and then pointing out how stupid it is to believe in a made up God who

1) Dictates directly to one man with no witnesses
2) has a "prophet" who takes on multiple wives and this is encouraged by the god
3) re-writes history
4) makes incredible promises for the afterlife
5) hates black people
6) is a convicted fraud (I'm sure if arabia was civilised enough to have courts and rule of law in mohammad's time he's have been convicted)

shall I go on about the pot calling the kettle black...

Anyway, moslem speakers do most of the insulting and lying so I think, based on the evidence, it is everyone else that needs protecting from moslem hatred.

BLair, what ever happened to those 500 clerics you promised to deport?

BLair, why don't you worry about your own people instead of kowtowing to Mohammedan infil-traitors?

BLair, what happened to the Koran you always carry with you, do you ever read it?

BLair, have you informed yourself about this 'vile and evil ideology' that makes mass-murderers out of Mohammedans?

BLair: Could Islam have anything to do with it?

BLair, please answer me.

Pleeeazze!

BLair, can you hear me????

exposesithlords:

I wonder what Blair thinks of Hook Hamza's line of defence: "I was only repeating what it says in the Qu'ran; I was not inciting violence."

I guess Blair must getting a little shell-shocked. Can 't remember which blogsite it was, but apparently Ahmadinejad "invited" Blair to come and defend his position over the Holocaust at the upcoming "conference" the Thug-in-Chief has planned for the deniers. Blair declined, but offered no explanation other than to appear very agitated when questioned.

"But if you look at what we were trying to do, this is very controversial legislation. We are in a situation where Muslims don't have the protection that, for example, Jews and black citizens do and there remains an anomaly."...

Ah yes, it's about those poor, helpless, unprotected Muslims......the frail, brittle, and cuddly lot that set France on fire, shot and sliced a filmmaker in Holland, pee on Bibles, tear up Jewish cemetaries, fly planes into occupied office buildings, slitting the throats of the airline attendants, attack lifeguards in Australia, gang rape european women, bomb the tube, cry foul over pork soup, etc. etc. etc.........Blah blah blah......The Muslim variety show is becoming tiresome, and it's time to change the channel.

Did you notice that during the demos against the proposed legislation many of the protestors were black christians.

How will they explain this. They were obviously all BNP members wern't they.

"But if you look at what we were trying to do, this is very controversial legislation. We are in a situation where Muslims don't have the protection that, for example, Jews and black citizens do and there remains an anomaly."

This is sickening. Jews and blacks needed to be protected, not for their POLITICAL beliefs, but for who they were. Muslims never sufferred the oppression Jews and blacks sufferred in England (or anywhere in the West) and to equate some nasty articles on Islam and "dirty looks" to pogroms and lynchings is offensive. Infidels have generally been more tolerant towards Muslims than Muslims have been towards infidels. History cannot dispute this. Conflating religion with race is a common tactic of the anti-racists in Europe. They believe that since the majority of Muslims are non-white, then any criticism of Islam should be deemed racist because criticism of Islam is just a "cover" for hatred of "brown people". O RLY? Then why is that most Brits don't look so disdainfully upon Hindus, Sikhs, and "brown" Christians? Could it be that these groups, although different from the native culture, don't pose the same threat to their nation because they don't share in the same ideology that many Muslims in the UK have? Could it be because these groups don't complain about the most insignificant slights to their religion? Take the "racist soup" as an example. What if it was beef soup? Do you think we would see protests from Hindus that this charity was discriminating against them? Probably not. This shit needs to stop. Muslims are not the "new Jews", most of them don't even believe the Holocaust happened and 99% of them would like Israel to be wiped of the map. How can a group identify with the persecution of the Jews if they are persecuting the Jews themselves? It makes no sense.

Iran invites Blair to anti-Holocaust conference
Mon. 30 Jan 2006
Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Jan. 30 – Iran invited British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Sunday to an anti-Holocaust conference it plans to hold, the state-run ISNA news agency reported.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi told reporters during his weekly press conference, “I think that it would be good if Mr. Blair takes part in the seminar on the Holocaust in Tehran. Of course, he can make the case in support of the Holocaust and at the same time hear the points of views that he cannot listen to there”.

Hard-line Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad shocked the world when he publicly declared that the Holocaust was a “myth” and threatened that Israel must be “wiped off the map”.

His comments were supported by senior Iranian officials including Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and former president Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

Asefi said that the anti-Holocaust conference would be held in spring of this year, adding that “unanswered questions” about the scale of the Holocaust could be discussed there.

Ahmadinejad’s comments, which drew international condemnation, were twice rebuked at the United Nations Security Council.

waterdragon,

Blair didn't respond because a liberal Brit would never ever call a Muslim an antisemite, no matter how crazy that Muslim is (Ahmadinejad). Jews can be "anti-Arab" (whatever that means) to the lib Brits (e.g. take a look at all the nasty names they call Melanie Phillips) but a Muslim cannot be antisemitic because they lack the "power" that the Jews supposedly have and did you know that Arabs are Semites too?

BLair knows he will be voted out of office. Sooner the better.

But his loyalties are where the money lies, and who has more to spent these days than the Arabs? Once out of a job, he will follow Clinton on 'speaking tours', rake in the dollars and pounds, become and 'advisor and consultant' and will serve his Arab masters like a proper Dhimmi does, what else?

Why would he be different from Prince Charley, the wannabe-'defender of the faith(s)', this idiotic son of privilege who is telling the world that Islam is not what it is. (Misunderstanders of the world unite!)

Add to this the despicable Gallow-swine and the quisling of London, Mayor Livingstone, and you have the 'fab-four' (well, not exactly) not what you're thinking: The fab-four of political whores.

But then again, are there any other ones?

An anachronistic institution like the House of Lords being the last defense of freedom of speech in Her Majesty's kingdom - who would've thunk. Take your hats off to the gentlemen (and ladies perhaps?) of this institution.

http://www.milesfaster.co.uk/gallery/parliament-square/house-of-lords.htm

apostate_islam writes:
"Did you notice that during the demos against the proposed legislation many of the protestors were black christians.

How will they explain this. They were obviously all BNP members wern't they."

Thank God for those Black Christians! They must throw some of the demented leftist nitwits into a
coniption. If the UK had a real nationalist party,
not a racialist one, they could be recruiting.

The Barnabas Fund reaction.

"This should mean that it is possible to discuss and critique other religions, to preach the uniqueness of Christ, and to draw attention to the persecution of Christians in Muslim contexts.

PRAISE AND THANKS

We praise God and rejoice in this surprise result..."

And the sight of so many black british Christians singing hymns outside Parliament must have had a effect. American I know that you appreciate why I argue as I do on certain topics.

A rare day of good news around the world.

"Why would he be different from Prince Charley, the wannabe-'defender of the faith(s)',"

Prince Harry wants to fight in Iraq - so there IS some hope...

and quite frankly, the thought of a King Charles is utterly repugnant to the vast majority of English people i've spoken to. They want it to skip a generation - to the more realistic William.

and may i add - if King Charles comes to the throne, and in light of most English not wanting it - you can be damn sure that the tabloid press will smell blood and go after him ferociously.

the Brit tabloids ALWAYS follow public opinion - not try to lead it. yeah, its the gutter press, but their remit is to give the public what they want. Charles head would be the first item on the agenda.

Granny,
I'm glad you (and Interested) cleared up the BNP
issue quick. We don't want racists on our side. Our
cause is a just one, the fight against Islam, not
against any race, or even any other religion or
lack of one. Islam is a special case, as it is a
cult devoid of the Golden Rule, as Ali Sina
explains.

Congratulations to UK JW readers. Now, however,
the other Europeans have raised the bar by
publishing those motoons. Surely we in the
Anglosphere can do better? When will our major
papers publish the Danish toons?

Granny, I'm glad you (and Interested) cleared up the BNP issue quick. We don't want racists on our side. Our cause is a just one, the fight against Islam, not against any race, or even any other religion or lack of one. Islam is a special case, as it is a cult devoid of the Golden Rule, as Ali Sina explains.

Thanks. It's good to see that at least some Americans posting here understand. Black Christians, Pakistani apostates, Hindus and Sikhs, even Muslim dissenters, would all be at risk from the BNP. They are, at heart, fascists.

The religious hatred legislation, as originally proposed, was a way of pandering to the Muslim vote, and to those who, because of the Iraq war, sympathised with Muslims. But times have changed. Blair sensed which way the wind was blowing.

This defeat is good news. Now let's see those cartoons in The Telegraph, The Spectator, etc.

There is one reason I can think why US, Britain and Australian governments will not like to see these cartoons published. It is for the reason that they are waging a far more serious war in islamic lands.

Only the US and Britain and with some help from Australia, are likely to be involved in further military actions in the ME, and they can only do so if they can convince the world and their own populations, that they have no anti-islamic views, and are doing so only to further democracy or some other noble cause.

Blair and his cronies thought they'd stupidify the British people by increasing their pc propanganda on the BBC but they were wrong, thankfully.

Just look at the Islamist Broadcasting Corporation's website and you'll notice a "Have your say" "Where the papers right to publish?" but they didn't actually show the cartoons. I wonder why.

It's been a good day for the UK. First the bill got defeated and then West Ham beat Arsenal 3-2.

Feeling good tonight.

Oh dear - been celebrating too much already: "...propaganda" and "were the..."

From Switzerland

A German language newspaper in Switzerland published two cartoons on Tuesday.

I presume those cartoons.

More interesting

The world's biggest maker of insulin, Novo Nordisk, said it was also hit as pharmacies and hospitals in Saudi Arabia have avoided its products since Saturday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=375814&in_page_id=1811&in_a_source=reuters&ito=1490

Novo Nordisk should now retaliate by not supplying them with insulin when the hospitals run out.

This is just a start. The muslim world has been flexing its puny muscles against a small country. If they want an economic boycott lets see who blinks first.

Carsten Juste also said the international furor amounted to a victory for opponents of free expression.

"Those who have won are dictatorships in the Middle East, in Saudi Arabia, where they cut criminals' hands and give women no rights," Juste told The Associated Press. "The dark dictatorships have won."

Good for you Carsten Juste. The way forward is not to apologise or explain, as this only excites the muslim mind, but to go on the attack.

Islam is a murderous cult berefet of any decent feature. The actions of its adherents, whether they are suicide bombers, subjugators of women, beheaders of civilians, or the Arab ministers who denounce Denmark while practising barbarities at home, all of them broadcast the real nature of islam.

The news isn't as good as it sounds. The government lost the votes only because the Labour Chief Whip got her sums wrong and allowed a group of MPs to go and fight a bi-election. I assume that, like the 'defeated' EU Constitution, this legislation won't actually die, but will instead be sneaked in the backdoor.

Doctor Phibes and all our friends in the UK:
Stop New Labour, stop the Liberals, stop the BBC!

I especially consider the BBC to be terrorist enablers and they need to be fought. They won't protect "free speech" because they don't know what free speech means. Their agenda is so blatently radical that I've stopped watching their news "output" a few months ago.

Maybe it will be Tony Blair who will have to go and live in Alaska...

As a Dane I'm deeply disgusted by the left-wing politically correct tone of the BBC. Over and over again they try to make it look like it's all our fault. An example in this recent article:

"Denmark's reputation as an easy-going, consensual nation has been severely tarnished in recent days. All the Danes can do now is hope the repeated apologies for the offence caused, by both the government and the newspaper, will end this unseemly row."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669210.stm

Wait a minute: OUR reputation has been tarnished?? For making harmless cartoons? For being virtualy the only ones defending freedom of speech against an illegal boycott and terrorist threats?

The BBC clearly sides with the muslims in speaking about 'the offence caused' as if we can be blamed for the fact that Muslims can't tolerate any criticism or satire. We are still an 'easy-going' nation and that's exactly why the intolerant muslims can't take it here! But the BBC turns the situation on it's head, blaming us for the fascist behaviour of the muslim mobs. They tell more lies and are more manipulative than Fox News in the US or any other network I know of.

Odin: At least Fox News allow both conservatives and liberals to have their say. The "BBC" don't. That's why I consider Fox News (and I watch them via my Sky Digital package) rather fair and balanced whereas the "BBC" are only "and". They've got a socialist, pro-islamist agenda and they are dangerous! That's why we need to fight the "BBC" and similar MSM outfits, my Danish friend.

Laughing extremely hard at the destruction of our prime minister and his dhimmitude based bill

here's a man who couldnt get enough camera shots with members of the M.C.B. just after muslim bombers attacked london

this very same man that kept quiet on the compensation payments to the victims of the bombers, BUT went all out to ensure the 'areas' (extremely large muslim dominated area's btw) suddenly recieved immense hand outs and grants because that somehow would stop more suicide bombers from attacking us

personally i hope Mr Blair is soon gone, swiftly followed by every other appeasing dhimmi in power

because his ilk has allowed and encouraged the spread of islam across this wonderful land, and frankly we real brits are just a tad sick to death of it, it opposes and threatens everything we not only stand for, fought for and hold dear, but it totally is set to consume us as a nation unless we get somebody in power not afraid to stand up against it

that somebody could never in a million years be blair and best he go now, prehapes to live in iraq and if possible without a personal body gaurd or bullet proof jacket..;-D

fight the good fight

P.S.: See http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/ for BBC Bias - it's breathtaking.

Robert and everyone else:

I wonder if it would help if we created a blank Jihadwatch.org Word template (including the logo) so that our fellow anti-jihadists could spread the message more easily.

For all this discussion re the BNP, whatever happened to the Tories? Since they have been out of power, couldn't a coalition of anti-Islamic members of all communities - Anglo-Saxons, Normans, Black Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, et al - assert themselves and take over that party? Or are they as hopelessly drenched in Dhimmitude? And what about the Liberal-Democrats (British, not American)? Aren't they centrists - i.e. to the right of Labour?

High time that the backlash started. Start with the Islam Expo, and then take it to the point that bans Mohammedan immigration. Start a move to get rid of all Mohammedan countries from the Commonwealth (btw, how important is that now? I believe the only memebers impacted would be Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malayasia, and some other tinpots like Maldives).

Europe needs to fight back - this is getting depressing.

"Europe needs to fight back - this is getting depressing"

In Britainstan we would, but using the law they disarmed us in every way, we now look to another nation to start the fight, then we'll help out finishing it

"and quite frankly, the thought of a King Charles is utterly repugnant to the vast majority of English people i've spoken to. They want it to skip a generation - to the more realistic William.

Posted by: archduke "

Archduke - I know many Aussie's who value our Constitutional Monarchy also feel the same way. While many of us don't give a toss about the royal family, the Republicians (many are very leftist) use Prince Charles as their "A Bomb" in this debate here in OZ.

I too hope the throne skips a generation, and that the young Prince in Iraq learns a thing or two about the "Religion of Peace".

While I think the Queen sits - Aussie's don't mind her being our Head of State (even if she has 'lost the plot' a little). But if Prince Charles came to sit on the throne - many Australians would vote to become a Republic me thinks.

I see many here are very quick to denounce BNP

It is very easy for all of us here to criticize Islam from behind our false names and computers or from our secrect locations

Yet to-day Nick Griffen is in court being tried for saying the same as what is being said on this site,in fact there are more comments here that are far more extreme than what Griffen is supposed to have said.

I think we should at least look a little closer to what he really said, and not rely on the MSM or BBC

Also,no matter how much I dislike Griffen,I have to give him due respect for standing up and saying how it really is.

He is aware of the dangers of critcizing Islam,yet,he has stepped forward,and put his head on the Islamic chopping block.How many here would put themselves into the same situation by going public,not many.

It is interesting to see how this case is being played out in court.

It was a BBC undercover report that started this affair yet today they are very quite about what is being said in court.
http://freespeechontrial.blogspot.com/

Also it is very quite on most of the so-called anti-jihad sites including this one,aboit this case,I have even seen people saying that BNP is hi-jacking the anti-jihad cause,this is poppycock.

A month ago this site claimed it had 13,000,000 hits,WOW...so how can BNP hi-jack our cause,easy,they are taking the fight onto the streets and into the law courts.What are we doing
in our anti-jihad struggle,eating Danish blue cheese,and finding excuses to guzzle french wine,when Griffen is risking 7yrs porridge or being murdered.

The BNP members are not murdering their critic

The BNP members are not blowing up trains

The BNP members are not blowing up buses

The BNP members are not flying aircraft into highrises

The BNP members are not murdering film producers

The BNP members are not condoning the gang raping of 12yr old schoolgirls

If folks here are so afraid of being high-jacked by the likes of BNP then we should become more active and organized in the same way as the muslims and white-power groups

Myself I do visit and comment on some WP sites,with anti-racist/anti-jihad posts,and I have noticed that a high procent of posters are also the same as myself.

At the moment there is not a forum on the net where people like us can organize.We need to have a phpBB type forum,the same as FFI,where it will be possible to organize and plan,and able to keep in contact with each other far more easier

It is all well and good to have sites like J/W and FFI to discuss the lastest news and the unholy scriptures day in and day out.

I have been following FFI and J/w for over two years,and to be very truthful,it is rather treading water as it is the same all the time.The same old discussions about MOHAMMED bonking a nine year old,or the world being flat.

The moslems must be laughing at us.while we Blah Blah Blah

While J/W are fighting the jihad by downing six pack of Tuborg

CHURCHES ARE BEING BURNT

12 YEAR OLDS ARE BEING GANG RAPED

TRAINS IN LONDON SPAIN AND RUSSIA ARE BEING BOMBED

REPORTERS ARE BEING KIDNAPPED AND BEHEADED

EVEN SCHOOLGIRLS ARE BEING BEHEADED

NUKES ARE BEING BUILT

Sorry folks,unless we find a better way to fight this battle,than eating cheese,and discussing a sexual pervert,then there is no hope for you

As for the BNP we should look at Qur’an 2:216
“Jihad is ordained for you though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.”

If the BNP is trying to change its platform then we should pay attention.May-be if we listened to Enoch Powell 30 odd years ago,the situation would be much different today.

Or Churchill

Or Thomas Jefferson who said “Millions for defense, not a penny for tribute.”

The BNP members are not murdering their critic
The BNP members are not blowing up trains
The BNP members are not blowing up buses
The BNP members are not flying aircraft into highrises
The BNP members are not murdering film producers
The BNP members are not condoning the gang raping of 12yr old schoolgirls

Shiva

Somehow, I don't get the feeling that Nick Griffin would be flattered by the above comments - the standards described above aren't something that even the most virulent anti-Muslims would want to be associated with.

Reason the BNP is being criticized is that even now, rather than making common cause with those of other races that they ostensibly agree with, they threaten to hijack a cause that concerns many more than just a bunch of white Aryan racists. Like as been pointed out here, they'd rather have an Yvonne Ridley in their ranks than a Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It's been pointed out in other threads how groups like the Aryan nation have been taken over by Islamists, since there are more of them willing to embrace that ideology than whites are. Given that, why should the BNP be endorsed as part of this coalition, rather than simply be used to demonstrate the ugly side of Islam where possible?

I agree that downing a six-pack Tuborg or stocking up on all things Danish is no way to fight a murderous ideology, beyond expressing solidarity with businesses being targeted by the faithful. But how many of J/W or D/W posters (other than those who work for J/W) are political activists? I don't know about others, but I for one have a full time job and family that keeps me busy. I post when I have time. To compare those of us who find extra time to participate in these discussions with someone who has all the time on his hands and an organization behind him is being disingenuous. Nor is Griffin unique in this - Orianna Fallaci, for one, faced trials in Italy before she moved to NY.

All the actions need not happen in streets and in law courts. After all, the 13 m people who visit this (btw, what % of them do you think are Jihadists?) live in various parts of the world, so where could we gather, and what event/person in which country could we rally behind? What we can do is back those in public who stand up to these thugs. When Bill Handel makes jokes about the Mecca stampedes by comparing it to an LA car chase, we need to back him. When prominent figures denounce Islam, we need to show support for them. When elections approach, we need to filter out anti-Jihadists from the motley mix of candidates, and back them. This is something one can do anywhere - US, Europe, Australia, Israel, India, Russia,...

Posted by: disillusioned_german

Odin: At least Fox News allow both conservatives and liberals to have their say. The "BBC" don't. That's why I consider Fox News (and I watch them via my Sky Digital package) rather fair and balanced whereas the "BBC" are only "and". They've got a socialist, pro-islamist agenda and they are dangerous! That's why we need to fight the "BBC" and similar MSM outfits, my Danish friend.

Well nasty nick is at the moment in court battling the BBC and MSM

BUT NO-BODY SEEMS TO TAKE ANY NOTICE
THE MSM AND BBC CLAIMS HE IS A RACIST,HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE TAKEN TIME TO READ THIS
http://freespeechontrial.blogspot.com/

If nasty nick goes down
who is next

EVEN GOOD FOLKS LIKE

Granny Weatherwax and many other posters here will be in danger for speacking the truth,because in England speacking the truth is not a defence

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=21982&highlight=#21982

Much as we may dislike racists,they should be allowed to speak

By trying to shut up people like Nasty Nick then our goverment is no better than the Islamic/Nazi rulers

Before you condemn Griffen ask youself if you are prepared to stand on a public platform and condemn Islam and muslims in places like Keighly where they have a large population of aggressive
moslems

I can tell you from experience it takes a lot of balls

Would Mr Spencer do it ?

".We need to have a phpBB type forum"

if you'd like one, and think other members would too one could be set up in about 20 minutes on a free phpbb server

only this is you'd need a name, plus of course some ideas for topic titles

if your serious i could knock a place up for everybody, but i would need some input from you all

Shiva:

I cannot recall if you are Hindu or not, but Nick Griffen is nothing more than a racist, as dangerous to Jews, Hindus and other "non-white" Brits as the Islamists are. It has been noted at this site repeatedly that the BNP bars any "non-whites" from membership.Griffen just happens to be focussing on Muslims because they are the most imminent threat to the kind of Britain he wants.

Don't be fooled. There's a marked difference between freedom and license.

Posted by: waterdragon52

Don't be fooled. There's a marked difference between freedom and license.

I AM NOT FOOLED,AND I AM VERY AWAKE TO THE BNP
ALSO I AM AWKE TO THE FACT THAT BLAIR COULD BE MORE DANGEROUS THAN GRIFFEN AT THE PRESNT MOMENT

http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=2821

Well Nasty Nick walks,as an innocent man,but his head is still on the Islamic chopping block

I wonder what Blair thinks of Hook Hamza's line of defence: "I was only repeating what it says in the Qu'ran; I was not inciting violence

maybe someone sent Blair a Robert's book "PIG of Islam and Crusades"! and the rest of his government must of read it also!! those that voted against his bill and had it watered down!

Nick Griffin and the BNP are racist pro-Nazi sympathisers and Holocaust deniers. Thirty years ago, they were going after Jews. Today, they're going after Muslims, even the secular ones - not on the basis of opposition to a sinister religion like most people here - but on the basis of their race.

Greetings all,

Been away but now I am back - with a great suntan, & we will say no more about it.

Shiva, as ever you are still making great sense.

Ironic that a forum about freedom of speech in the UK has turned into an attack on a legal & legitimate political force in the UK - the same party who have just been prosecuted & aquitted for exercising "freedom of speech" & for saying publicly what many here would never dare to say.

Those of us attacking the BNP should remember that they are a Registered Political Party in the UK & comply with not only English Electoral Law, but also European. Engaging in nonsense (calling them racist as fact) is wrong, & if I may say quite Islamic of you all - if there were any evidence to support that supposition then they would have their Party de-registered & their status as eligable to stand in UK & European Elections removed. These are facts.

Historically, I do see the fear in the political spectrum regarding the BNP - but until the British political elite actually get with the programme & connect with "the little people" you should not be too surprised by the gains the BNP will undoubtably make at all coming elections. The courtcase was foolish, even by New Labours vindictive standards. It has given the BNP credibility & substance.

They were, afterall, the only UK political party to foretell the horrors of 7/7 at least a year before they happened. That is winning them Kudos - & that will translate into votes.

If you oppose the BNP, don't sit there bitching & telling half truths - get off your bum & give the working class "British" something of equal value & force. Telling untruths & at times lies about them weakens your position & your argument on other issues.

As for the courtcase -IT IS A GREAT VICTORY FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. (or do you, like Islam, only want to hear what you agree with in our so called freedom lovin' democracy?)

No, I am not a BNP Member or voter - ever ( I am English & see the British Gpovernment as occupiers of the English Parliament & hence, I could never vote for any party with "British" in its name.) - but I know there are sections here who will not believe that because what I am saying is a little difficult for them comprehend: All spectrum of opinion is valid in our free society - even those who have historical association with the UK who wish to see dramatic political changes. You can't have a democracy that is only "part free".....or are you already on the road to burning flags, threatening mayhem & boycotting goods because you disagree with someone elses freedom of speech?