Cartoon Controversy in Chapel Hill

Here's where to congratulate Mr. Tuck:

rctuck@(nospam)email.unc.edu

l think the smaller papers in the US will start ot print these cartoons. l know l showed some copies to very non political friends, they could not believe all the protest, and killings, threats of killings over such tame cartoons. the more people view these cartoons, non muslims that is, the more they will realize the cause for muslim anger is pathetic!

l think the smaller papers in the US will start to print these cartoons. l know l showed some copies to very non political friends, they could not believe all the protest, and killings, threats of killings over such tame cartoons. the more people view these cartoons, non muslims that is, the more they will realize the cause for muslim anger is pathetic!

The cartoon in question is here.

So, what's all the fuss about?

The editor's blog entry and reader comments are here.

Spend a few buck and a few hours to hand out printed copies of the cartoons at your local supermarket.
The general public needs to be involved.

a10 and everyone,

that cartoon was really mild- apologetic, even. Tuck obviously holds to the "islam is the religion of peace" nonsense. However, he ought to be proud of himself.

Now- for a real cartoon, take a look at this one:

http://www.dougmarlette.com/img7.gif

Why wasn't there a huge outcry over this cartoon? Marlette knows from offensive. Kudos to him.

So far, this is my favorite comic.

"...fire not included"

ROFL! Good one, shyguy.

"That's what made it more of an injury, because there's no remorse or reasoning behind it," Saad said...'

Yes, I feel your pain about the Danish Mohammad, Saad :)
But do you feel the same way about 9/11? Thought not.

libbysmom

Thanks for the reminder! Hands down, my favorite Mohammed cartoon.

Does anyone know the job-status of the Florida reporter (sorry - name?) who was fired from his job for putting that one in his paper?

Also, does anyone know of any bombings etc. in the campaign related to the cartoon libbysmom linked (What would Mohammed drive?) ? I'm referring to the What would Jesus Drive campaign.

A Volkswagon Bug.

Don't ask me. Soon as I read 'what would Jesus drive,' that's what I saw.

Jesus wouldn't drive. He liked to walk.

But the disciples were all "in one Accord."

Shinoliite,

You slay me, buddy!

I think St. Paul probably would drive a Taurus. Oh wait, he was FROM, Tarsus. Sorry.

But I know where he got the financing for his house...B.F. Saul.

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is the place where the bowdlerized version of the Qur'an, a ludcrous concoction by Michael Sells entitled "Approaching the Qur'an" was made required reading for freshmen, and where the respectful raising of objections (no mobs of maddened evangelicals, no calls for Michael Sells's skin or that of his local supporters including the curious apologist of Islam Carl Ernst, were heard) was depicted as that of holy-roller know-nothings trying crudely to interfere with the academic equivalent of "free speech."
Of course, nothing of the kind was being attempted, but the larger university -- what's that treacly word now in widespread use -- "community' -- did not bother to find out just how mendacious that Sells version is. It doesn't take much. You can find the real Qur'an on line, and you can also google the "Calcutta Qur'an Petition" to see all the naughty bits that Michael Sells chose to censor so as not to offend the tender sensibilities, as he must have seen it (no, of course he didn't - Sells was only interested in conveying a thoroughly sanitized view of the Qur'an, in order to protect the image of Islam;he doesn't assign as reading, or possibly even inform his students, in classes at Haverford about, the contents of the Hadith or the Sira. Strictly the "lyrical suras" that we can all enjoy, for what is modern education but an extended Haight-Ashbury Summer of Love?).

Of course in this country, with our First Amendment rights, everyone has a right to publish, and at this point almost has a duty to publish, given the unacceptable attempts to prevent such publication by protests, many of them violent, some of them murderous, those cartoons. Or is the First Amendment to be subject to a Muslim veto, because Muslims are "offended"?

But we, the Infidels, in countries with laws, customs, manners, rights that were created by Infidels, and that could not possibly have been created by Muslims, are offended that many Muslims appear to assume that they have a right to insist that their state of "being offended" trumps our First Amendment, right here, or in Europe, trumps the rights of individuals, rights that took centuries of the most intelligent thinkers to develop and then to be widely recognized. There is a great difference between the moral and intellectual advance expressed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and in what passes for rights in the Muslim version, the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights.

What racism? Islam is not a race. Muslims I meet are of every color and of various national backgrounds. The canard of racism is a ploy put put off an silence critics and allow certain Muslims to take advantage of tolerant Westerners.

These Muslim calls of "racism" and "discrimination" are the most reprobate of claims, and grotesquely distort the very fabric of our secular, pluralistic and free society... Those seditious Muslims who would be the first to curtail and eliminate those very same rights among non-Muslims if only they had sufficient numbers in America should not be allowed to make such spurious claims without furious repudiation from Americans...

Readers who are curious should peruse the websites sponsored by the various Muslim Student associations on US Campuses... You can find calls for the killing of Muslims who fail to pray, and the killings for Muslims who are considered apostate at these Muslim Student sites.

Since 9/11 I have found many such citations -- consistently I have written to the Universities in question, and have received a near boilerplate response: 'We are sad to inform you that The University may not agree with such sentiments, but in the tradtition of "free speech" the University will not interfere with such "speech"..."

And these are the types of Muslim Student associations that are lecturing us about the abridgement of their "rights". It is a foul abuse of the notion of human rights to listen to a Muslim complain and lecture us about his... Such persons seem to only consider these rights sacrosanct if they apply to Muslims, and permit the Muslims to promulgate Islam without hindrance... Never mentioned is the fact that such human rights are altogether alien to Islam, despite what these lying prevaricators would have you believe...

Here are a couple examples I have found online -- I have noticed that this link went offline recently -- I don't know if it is permanently removed, but thesse are just a couple examples of many I have found -- This from the University of Houston in Texas!

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http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/fatawawom/aqida.html#birth (link may be broken or out of date at this point)

Here's a quote referencing how to handle one who has forgotten to pray:

"Therefore, it is obligatory upon his family to advise him and to boycott him if he does not repent. If he repents, [that is accepted from him]. If he does not repent, he is to be killed. This is because Allah has said in the Quran,
"But if they repent and offer prayer perfectly and give zakat, then leave their way free..."

and this on the nature of Islam vs other religions:

"Islam is not merely a religion or a creed like other false religions and false creeds (which include Christianity and Judaism)..."

Thanks, MSA of the UofH!!! Sounds like giving rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech to pigs and verminous scum like this will only lead to horrors and terrorism... Thanks, Muslims of America, for all that you do! Thanks for taking advantage of the precious freedoms we have fought and died for, and for coming to America and using those same freedoms to spread your anti-freedom rhetoric and beliefs...! It is so appreciated! What great immigrants you're proving yourselves to be!

What racism? Islam is not a race. Muslims I meet are of every color and of various national backgrounds.

The accusation of racism may be another example of Muslims trying to have it both ways. Implicit in Islamic customs, laws, and examples, and explicit in the insistence upon the use of the Arabic language, and in the imperialist tactics, such as the ongoing genocide in Sudan, are a notion of Arab supremacy. Other examples include the adoption of Arabized names by Central Asian Muslims, and the very common example of Western converts taking Arabic names.

The exportation of Wahabbism has only made more overt the "Arabization" of Islam everywhere, since it claims to follow the Quran and the sayings of Mohammed to the letter. Thus, not only 7th century culture, but Arab culture, supposedly becomes the model for the rest of the world. Every culture has its quirks, idiosyncracies, prejudices, and hangups, and through Islam, the Arab ones have become sacred.

Thus, they can accuse people of racism by the very same Arab supremacist undercurrent that they otherwise deny.

jsla: Amazing about the University of Houston. The link is no longer active, however. Do you have an update?
Also, are you affiliated with the University of Houston? I was for some years, but my wife refers to that as ancient history.

What would Jesus drive?

A Diablo. Out.

http://www.autopictures.com/diablo/

Tuck will be looking for a new job and new school shortly.

The free press has turned into a full-court press... of the chicken brigade.

The Islamo-intimidation machine will be contacting C.A.I.R. shortly.

Then Chapel Hill.

Then Tuck.

http://cairforterrorists.blogspot.com/

I salute his guts.

(He can find a bullet-proof vest online, relatively cheap, to keep them intact.)

Dhimmi Watchers are very quick witted! One brilliant reply after another .. However, (Jesus would drive the) Diablo out .. I'm awed!

Texan-- Hey! No affiliation -- the link has apparently stopped working -- I first found it about a year ago, and have written UH several times inquiring about it... At this point the excerpts are cut and pastes from my original notes -- these were used to compose emails to several University representatives -- and their response was preposterous as I state above, but nothing unusual -- I have found many similar sewage at other Muslim University sites -- pretty consistently the University response amounts to "It's a freedom of speech issue". It's staggering! Now I admit, most of these sites don't all out call for killing people, so some of the stuff just falls under the category of bigoted Islamic putrescence such as the second one where Judaism and Christianity are explicitly called "false religions". Bad enough, though -- The calling for death for non-prayers was the worst one I have found to date, yet the UH response was still about "freedom of speech" and "free expression."

And these were clearly posted at the Muslim Student Association website accessed through the Universty's official website. Two or three clicks and you got to an Islamic call to murder.

I have found other examples since 9/11 -- this was especially grievous, since it explicitly called for death in the case of non-prayer -- When I found it, I thought "fasicst swill like this is still tolerated? In America after 9/11? At a US University? AND IN TEXAS!?!?!?

Hugh,
My son was one of those incoming freshmen who were required by the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to read Michael Sells’ obnoxious book three years ago.

It was a patently obvious attempt by the loopy-headed UNC administration to patronize Islam in the year following 9/11. It may seem astounding that a public university would even consider so openly forcing blatantly religious material down its students’ throats under the guise of “academic exploration” and with no apology for ignoring the obvious church/state concern. But here in North Carolina, UNC-CH holds a near sacrosanct position in the mind of state officials and most of the public, despite being recognized as THE most intolerantly liberal campus in the southeast. Publicly, the university denied that reading the book was an absolute requirement. Privately, my son told me that the message to students was that they could not opt out, even for religious reasons.

Of course, it only took my son and I (who unlike UNC-CH’s administration think with both sides of our brains) about 30 seconds to grasp that Sells’ book (which included a lovely CD of Muslim prayers and chants, by the way) was the perfect choice for the university’s agenda of spoon-feeding students a politically correct picture of Islam as benign so they wouldn’t have to think about it for themselves. My son also told me that during the discussion of the book in his class, any attempts to question the perspective of the book or offer contrary views of Islam were either squelched or spun as Islamophobia. UNC-CH’s professors and classrooms are notoriously hostile to students who have more conservative views on subjects and dare to speak out.

This is not the first time the Daily Tar Heel has caused trouble by testing the limits of free speech, which of course is only allowed on most campuses if it is directed at acceptable targets....Christians, conservatives, heterosexuals, fur-wearers, SUV drivers, etc. Students have paid the price for their "crimes against the state" in the past. So I would expect the university administration to issue its ultimatum for an apology this week, after waiting a few days to pretend they have considered the issue from all sides.

Mig-

Time to get your son a copy of Mr. Spencer's "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)" (check out half.com or abebooks or alibris for the best price). A pleasant antidote to the embarassing scourge of p.c. (a thing known to cause memory loss, incontinence, and flatulence).

Best of luck!

To redeem themselves now all political cartoonists throughout the USA should leave their cartoon space totally blank and then underneath it post the caption:

"Mohammed, the Merciful, the Compassionate"

Das-

Or something like a blank editorial cartoon space, and the caption below:

[No "Mohammed cartoons" will appear here because all of our cartoonists were pre-emptively killed by angry iconoclasts of an unnameable faith.]

Mig--

I suspect that Carl Ernst and a few others (one of the UNC/Chapel Hill champions of forcing the students to read the sanitized guide to nothing of Sells died last year is no longer around; he died last year)-- I read his obituary somewhere) were entirely responsible, and I suspect that not all departments in that university are deplorable. Is the teaching of Islam in a MIddle Eastern Studies or History or History of Religions of Department, or a little of all three?

The President of the University, and other members of the Administration, rather than getting on a high horse and assuming that all protests can only come from troglodytes, now have a duty, given the infiltration of academic departments of Islamic and Middle Eastern studies by apologists for Islam (google "MESA Nostra" and "Posted by Hugh" for more), to study Islam themselves, so as not to be easily fooled, and not to be manipulated into assuming that there is nothing to the charges made of such apologists having seized control. All anyone has to do is spend a few days reading the Qur'an, with an intelligent commentary that explains the doctrine of "naskh" (abrogation) and that also explains why such phrases as "struggle in the way of Allah" that seem so bland, in fact have a specific meaning in Islam that is not bland at all. And if, after having spent a day or two reading a few hundred of the Hadith, easily retrievable on-line, and a biography for Muslms of Muhammad, that President or Dean or Provost does not begin to have the scales fall from his eyes, I'll eat -- well, I'll eat any box of goodies, including pickled artichokes and other local delicacies, that you feel like buying atat A Summer Season -- is that the name of that wonderful Chapel Hill store -- and mail to me.

It is now a responsibilty for all universities to not allow the people who have been getting away with misrepresenting or not representing at all, Islam, to continue to do so.

Simply find out what the students know after having "studied Islam" at Chapel HIll. Do they know, and have they read, large numbers of Hadith? The Sira? The Qur'an or merely the Sells "lyrical suras"? The Jihad-verses, stopping to consider the centrality of Jihad?

What other books are read or at least made known to the students? Do they study the history of non-Muslims -- dhimmis -- under Muslim rule? Are they given the chance to read Bat Ye'or's "The Dhimmi" or "Islam and Dhimmitude" or "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam"? What about "The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom? Do these students learn who Joseph Schacht was? Snouck Hurgronje? Have they read any scholarly articles -- even one -- on the legal status of non-Muslims under Islam? Can they list five of the disabilities among the many imposed on Infidels who lived in the lands conquered by Muslims and where Muslims then ruled?

What about any of Robert Spencer's books written for a mass audience? Or will they, in courses on contemporary Europe, be assigned "While Europe Slept" (Bruce Bawer)? Or in courses on current world politics, "The Losing Battle with Islam" (David Selborne)?

Ask the students. Find out what they are taught. Make a nuisance of yourself, if you can stand to do it.

I'll keep checking the mail for those artichokes.

What would Jesus drive?

A Christler, of course.

:D

The issue of race needs to be made a non issue!!!
As a blackman in America, I've faced my fair share of racism, prejudice, and bigotry. But I managed to overcome them by educating myself to be more than just a hyphen American. I studied hard, learned the rules and found the ones that I could use to my advantage.
No help from Jesse "Jackass" Jackson, Al "Slim Shady" Sharpton, nor Louis FarraConman.
These Muslims students are using race as an issue to further a religious agenda. And with almost all of our countries universities under the multicultural banner, these Muslim students are almost getting away with it. The liberals and their "I'm okay, you're okay, feel good" mindset is destroying our young people. By making this an issue of race, these Muslims almost manage to eliminate debate on the issue of "freedom of expression" to transform it to an issue of "being insensitive to the other persons feelings."
Nuts to that!!! The one thing about the truth is that it is fair!!! And that is the issue at hand. It's not the fact that the cartoons were offensive. It's the fact that they were truthful! Now, I've got to come clean, I haven't seen the cartoons that were published in the collage paper. But if they're raising a stir with Muslims, then they must be on the money with the truth. The one thing about the truth that all Muslims and leftists should know is that the truth is an equal opportunity offender. It's only concern is being truthful. Being the truth!!!
That's it!!! Feelings be damned!!!! The truth is a beautiful thing. It won't compromise. You can make a deal with it. It won't lie for you. You may have to look for it, but once you find it, it's more precious that silver and gold.
That's why Muslims hate it. The truth always comes out. And when it does, it never favors Muslims or Islam.
Young Ryan Tuck is in for the fight of his collage life. Lets hope that the university dosen't attempt to silence him for students that have a bunch of hurt feelings. Having your feelings hurt is a part of life. As many times that I was turned down for jobs, that's how many times my feeling were hurt. I never used the race card to pressure a company to hire me!!! Did what I had to do to make myself a commodity. To better myself. To make myself an asset.
You see, That's what happens when you are a person of integrity and you're confronted with the truth, It makes you improve yourself, if you accept it. If not. If you do not accept the truth, then you end up trying to supress it with wild accusations of "insensitivity and racism." America's history as far as the race issue is well documented. And all American citizens are sensitive to racism, prejudice, and bigotry. But at what cost? Whites are overly sensitive to the point that even when blacks never feel offended, whites assume that blacks don't know when they're offended. Thus taking up a guilt trip down "civil rights lane" for some cause yet unnamed! Or may be the charge of reverse discrimination!!!
Blacks are hurt more by "Affirmative Action" than helped. Instead of being hired because of being qaulified for a job, you're hired because of the company needing to meet a hiring quota. And if you are a qualified black, then you're not black enough. No prision record or you're not on welfare, don't bother to apply.
But yet because of the government set asides, minorities are made to feel that they can't make it without the help of the government. These Muslims students see this and use the same tactics in a different scale. Our ignorance towards Muslims and Islam is going to be our downfall. The government is ignorant as far as the issue of Muslims and Islam.
Thus, UNC may try to make young Ryan apologize for being, what?, Honest!?
Islam and the truth. Never shall the two twain!!!

Hugh,

Sells’ book was actually part of a summer pre-read for students, to be discussed in an orientation forum on campus during the first week of class. It’s an annual exercise at UNC-CH, and in fact the quality of the books selected has improved some in the last year or so. You are correct about not all departments in the university being wacky; the Bursar’s office certainly has its act together! My son has encountered a few balanced professors, but they keep a very low profile.

Unfortunately, the university administration has written a letter to the Daily Tar Heel denouncing the publishing of the cartoons and chastising the paper for being Included in the letter, of course, is the typical high-minded blathering about the university’s commitment to free speech and diversity. Here’s the link if you want to read it:

http://media.www.dailytarheel.com/media/paper885/news/2006/02/13/LettersToTheEditor/Administration.Duo.Chastise.Dth.For.Publishing.Cartoon-1609777.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytarheel.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

Your points are well taken, but I doubt that the UNC-CH administration (or any other) feels any duty to study Islam for themselves or present a balanced view to its students. If they studied it, they’d have to do something with the info, and in a world where political correctness is the supreme obligation, that might be “hurtful and offensive to members of our campus community.” In any case, the administration has been awfully pre-occupied booking John Edwards’ appearances. I have not spoken personally to many students there, but my son tells me the reality is about what you’d expect on any college campus these days....some prefer to simply accept what is given them by professors, while others pursue the truth more vigorously. But the problem is that of those who pursue and find the truth, very few students will speak out because of the inevitable retribution, censure, and on occasion, disciplinary action.

I have over the last three years suggested many, sources of objective information about Islam (Robert’s books among them) to academics, the local paper, religious leaders in the community and our congressman. I keep thinking at some point they have to wake up, but as you know, the snoring is pretty loud out there.