Jihad Watch Director Robert Spencer (left) with Douglas Murray at the Pim Fortuyn Memorial Conference in The Hague last week
The English writer Douglas Murray reports in The Times of London about the Pim Fortuyn Memorial Conference in The Hague, where I had the pleasure of meeting him and hearing his superb address last week. I stayed in the hotel under an assumed name also. Security was indeed very tight; how ironic that a conference on the defense of freedom had to be held under fortress-like conditions.
‘Would you write the name you’d like to use here, and your real name there?” asked the girl at reception. I had just been driven to a hotel in the Hague. An hour earlier I’d been greeted at Amsterdam airport by a man holding a sign with a pre-agreed cipher. I hadn’t known where I would be staying, or where I would be speaking. The secrecy was necessary: I had come to Holland to talk about Islam.
Last weekend, four years after his murder, Pim Fortuyn’s political party, Lijst Pim Fortuyn, held a conference in his memory on Islam and Europe. The organisers had assembled nearly all the writers most critical of Islam’s current manifestation in the West. The American scholars Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer were present, as were the Egyptian-Jewish exile and scholar of dhimmitude, Bat Ye’or, and the great Muslim apostate Ibn Warraq.
Both Ye’or and Warraq write and speak under pseudonyms. Standing at the hotel desk I confessed to the girl that I didn’t have any other name, couldn’t think of a good one fast. I was given my key and made aware that the other person in the lobby, a tall figure in a dark suit, was my security detail. I was taken up to my room where I changed, unpacked and headed back out — the security guard now positioned outside my bedroom door.I had been invited to deliver the closing speech to the memorial conference on what would have been Fortuyn’s 58th birthday. I said I would talk on the effects of Europe’s increasingly Islamicised population and advocate a tougher European counterterror strategy. There was no overriding political agenda to the occasion, simply a desire for frank discussion.
The event was scholarly, incisive and wide-ranging. There were no ranters or rabble-rousers, just an invited audience of academics, writers, politicians and sombre party members. As yet another example of Islam’s violent confrontation with the West (this time caused by cartoons) swept across the globe, we tried to discuss Islam as openly as we could. The Dutch security service in the Hague was among those who considered the threat to us for doing this as particularly high. The security status of the event was put at just one level below “national emergency”.
This may seem fantastic to people in Britain. But the story of Holland — which I have been charting for some years — should be noted by her allies. Where Holland has gone, Britain and the rest of Europe are following. The silencing happens bit by bit. A student paper in Britain that ran the Danish cartoons got pulped. A London magazine withdrew the cartoons from its website after the British police informed the editor they could not protect him, his staff, or his offices from attack. This happened only days before the police provided 500 officers to protect a “peaceful” Muslim protest in Trafalgar Square.
Read it all.
"Where Holland has gone, Britain and the rest of Europe are following."
I hope the Netherlands will continue to move in the right direction and the rest of Europe strengthens its backbone in dealing with Islam.
Is there any way to collect transcripts of the things that were spoken by the speakers?
Mr.Murrays article is quite sobering as it portrays a land that once embraced, and defended human freedoms with such great zeal. Now it feels like a dark force that still lives in a primitive time is attempting with some success to bring down the curtain on what made these countries so great, and so free by threats of force and intimidation. It also appears that the dangerous Ideology of multiculteralism that freedom loving people have adapted as part, and parcel of the structure of freedom could actually be our own achilles heel if we fail to recognize its failings within a free state. We simply cannot abdicate our established foundations to this aggressive totalitarian ideology that comes at us with such hate, and intolerance against western values. If we fail to wake up and confront it head on and soon, it shall all but undermine us though the use of deception (taquiya) and half truths (kitman) as well as its blatant disregard for our values. Keep your eye on those politicians who role over in appeasement to these threats and are not willing to defend their countries established foundations and sovereign rights. Vote them out of office, protest their actions,defeat them in the arena of public opinion in every way you can. And work to wake up all that will listen. ----THE CLOCK IS TICKING.
Mackie
At the Arizona conference a man from London told me he felt compelled to cover any books on Islam, like Robert's PIG, he might be reading while riding on "the tube." He also said he wouldn't think of wearing a Star of David in public anymore. Too risky.
I must confess, my mouth hit the floor.
A woman stood up in the Jacoby / McIntyre immigration talk and spoke about how in Illinois they had prayer rooms for Muslim students in PUBLIC schools for use during schools hours and yet, Christian kids are barred from prayer and their meetings prohibited even after class. She said, "What's the matter with us?! What is this fear of Islam?"
The irony is that those who are not afraid and stand up to say something about the fear of Islam are branded as Islamophobes or xenophobes, when the actuality, those who fear it are the ones who are not resisting.
We live in insane times.
20 years ago I spent a week in Prague where one evening I went out with a Dutchman named Gerald. We went to a cabaret bar called the Yalta Review which was hilarious, but not strictly relevant to this thread.
We discussed this and that, including rock music and the Dutch bands Golden Earring and Focus. Like every Dutch person I have ever met he spoke excellent English; he was reading the Financial Times while he waited for me. And he said, nobody outside the Netherlands speaks Dutch, we are a small unimportant country, we are of no significance. I thought he was wrong then.
As things have turned out he was definitely wrong. The Dutch are pointing the way and we are fools if we do not heed their direction.
At the Arizona conference a man from London told me he felt compelled to cover any books on Islam, like Robert's PIG, he might be reading while riding on "the tube." He also said he wouldn't think of wearing a Star of David in public anymore. Too risky.
I read the pig openly, the Myth of Islamic Tolerance openly and the only reason I don't take my Bat Ye'or out of the house is I don't want to lose a signed copy. And I make sure one of my crosses is firmly round my neck
before I travel. But I accept that a cross does not have the history of the Magen David.
I admit I was nervous what I was seen to be reading before the bombing and other JW posters urged me then to have more confidence. Now I think you start on me and you'll find you picked the wrong woman.
Robert -
Of course, freedom was never free. That's why our language is peppered with expressions like:
____"Keep your powder dry"
____"Look to your priming"
____"Stick to your guns"
So, Robert, keep your powder dry.
I read my Bat Ye'ors and Robert Spencers openly in the underground in Paris.
Still not beheaded yet.
Granny - that's something I've been pondering with Spring Break coming up. I recently ordered two of Robert's books-- Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics, and P.I.G. to Islam (and the Crusades). Finished the first one-- both informative and inspiring-- and the second sits awaiting sufficient time, like, for example, Spring Break.
I've asked myself, "Do I want to read that in the airport/on the plane?". Well, of course I do, but my main concern is airport security thinking it's something different than it is, just like when, on one of my visits home, my mother saw the Jihad Watch site on my laptop and said, "What... the... hell is that?!" (My folks know I'm a longtime fan of sites like the Korean Central News Agency.)
So... whaddaya think? Anyone else try this experiment in the US yet? The more I think about it, the more I'm tempted.
I must confess when I take Robert Spencer's book to my local reading spot . . . a Barnes and Nobles to read, I put a cover on it. Never know when some crazed Jihadi will lose hit top. I also don't carry such books in airports or ESPECIALLY in taxis. I've also shifted a bit to limos--the difference b/w a cab from JFK or Miday in Chicago to a downtown hotel is very little if done in advance. Seems to me most of the limos guys are Russian. In Chicago, where I travel to alot, a sizable minority are Christians from Nigeria. I can tell right off the start from their accents and affable, easy going manner. Dan Rather had his cabbie moment with, 'what is the frequency Kenneth,' I'm worried about, 'what's the frequency hebrew boy.' You never know in this world; caution is always the best. I remember an interview with Stephen Emerson where he detailed his elaborate security precautions after an Islamic South African 'hit team' supposedly went 'active.' Look, we can laugh about some of it, but look at Van Gogh who obviously felt completely secure and at ease in his own country. Some of the Jihadis are wack jobs(I mean really nuts). And an obviously Jewish appearance or reading a book with a squeeling itty bitty pig on the cover(LOL) might shift them into operational mode.
The 'lone wolf' theory. Remember the Egyptian pilot a while back who quipped, "pull with me" before crashing the jet into the ocean. The night before Albatouti or whatever he was called was drunk in an American Hotel Lobby aiming a laser pen at some El Al folks checking in. Another example may have been the shooting on top of the Empire State Building in NYC. Yet another example may have been the El Al counter shooting a few years back at LAX. Supposedly this guy was a nut job as well--asking a Jewish family if he could baby sit their 16 year-old daughter a few weeks prior to his 'operation.'
All cultures have their whack jobs. But I suspect that immigrants may be at higher risk, their alienated to begin with, far from their homes, lost in America ect... couple that with a pinch of Islamist spicing, and watch out. Bin Laden meets Robert Deniro in Taxi Driver . . . 'Are you talking to me?'
"Another example may have been the shooting on top of the Empire State Building in NYC."
--from a posting above
"May have been"?
Was.
Now I think you start on me and you'll find you picked the wrong woman.
Well, everyone who crosses Granny Weatherwax in the books seems to come off worst. Fact is, ma'am, if you is really Granny Weatherwax, you is prolly packing heat, i.e., a hatpin.
"Remember the Egyptian pilot a while back who quipped, "pull with me" before crashing the jet into the ocean."
The words "pull with me" were actually those of the pilot trying to save the plane after the co-pilot had sent it into a deep dive. Just as the descent was arrested and the plane began to gain altitude, the co-pilot turned the engines off and the it was doomed.
The flight cock-pit recorder quoted the co-pilot as muttering over and over "Allah O Akbar"..."Allah the merciful" and other religious expressions after the pilot had momentarily left the cock-pit and immediately before the descent.
There was heated debate among investigators regarding the significance of these expressions. The Egyptians claimed it was not uncommon for a Muslim to say such things in solitude.
The Egyptian government did everything in its power to whitewash the investigation in its desire to portray the tragedy as having resulted from mechanical failure. Strangely, American TSB investigators were sufficiantly constrained by political considerations that they muted those of their own findings which contradicted the Egyptian conclusion.
I guess we couldn't do anything to hurt the tourist industry of a close Arab ally.
will be going to Europe, l think this week, my sister is now not wanting to go..but will be around regular people.. and find out the pulse of how they find themselves with this loss of freedom of speech,etc. The Netherlands will be my stop this weekend at a dog show near the Danish border, will be interesting to say the least. l will be wearing a pin with both flags the US/Can. words United we Stand"! for my US brothers and sisters l will not cower!
Our friends at the Muslim Association of Hawaii (Yes, there is such a thing) have come out in favor of laws against "blasphemy" and censorship, the first step to Islamic Law.
http://kalapanapundit.blogspot.com/2006/02/muslim-association-of-hawaii-wants.html
I think we all should fear anyone's silence in this case. Since it clearly is silence being imposed by a deadly, totalitarian enemy!!!!!
If anyone should be silenced it is Islam and its killer-zombies.
Lulu
I hope you have a good time, and I don't want to be pedantic or petty but the Netherlands and Denmark don't actually share a border. They do both share a border with north West Germany so I expect your dog show is in that area.
http://www.europeanrailguide.com/maps/netherlands.html
“l will be wearing a pin with both flags the US/Can. words United we Stand"! for my US brothers and sisters l will not cower!”
Lulu,
Those words, that spirit, fill me with pride.
This makes me want to change my name to "Theo Van Gogh II" (with both "too" and "the Second" meant) and move back to Holland.
Haven't been there since the 1990's, where the Turkish, etc. "cultural centers" (places to blindly aid infiltrating 'immigrants' under the delusional banner of brotherhood and understanding) were even obvious in small cities.
Time for loyalty oaths in all Western lands.
And keep it simple:
If you are believing Muslim, you cannot honestly swear any allegiance to any non-Muslim country, but are clearly dedicated to only the global, anti-national Islamic Umma.
Thus, you should move to a Muslim country, unless you renounce your allegiance to this aspect of Islam, and swear to it in a legally-binding document.
If this oath is shown to be taken falsely, immediate deportation (or imprisonment if no Muslim country can be found to accept the lawbreaker) will result.
The Dutch should be the first to enact this self-defensive law.
Call it the "De Muur van Fortuyn".
(The Wall of Fortune)
sorry l meant to say close to the Denmark border. European countries are so small in comparision to the US,Canada, and Australia, and l tend to travel great distance between dog shows. the miles we put on our ram van, l would be circling Europe almost every other weekend! thank you for hope for a good time. my younger sister was supposed to go with my older sister, but like last time, she is not wanting to fly that far. l will be landing in London, and avoid the subway for sure! but the people we will be hanging around with Muslims will make a wide berth around us.. that is doggy people!
I commanded the PIG about Islam and the crusades, and I am proud because I am one of the few spanish that I have read that book. It was beautiful and interesting. The bad, is that people think that I have an obsession about that. The majority of people want to live without being bothered and without suffering.
I want to thanks to Robert this book and the others, although I haven´t read. Someday, I´ll order,another one.
I have a bumper sticker which features the Stars and Stripes intertwined with the Israeli flag and the legend "United for peace, united against terror." I sport this proundly alongside the eagle, anchor, and globe of the USMC sticker. Last year, while I was driving at night in San Diego, some of the denizens of "the religion of peace" apparently took offense at my expression of my constitutional rights and attempted to drive me off the highway. When I got home I went online and made sure I ordered another one.
The moment we let these mooks terrorize us in our own country is the day we stop being human.
This is a crazy, upside down world we are living in now.It's going to take getting much worse before it starts to get better.I have learned way more about islam than I ever cared, or thought I would, and it's quite scary. Europe appears to be almost lost to these creatures who practice the "religion of peace", we need to make sure that we don't let that happen here! I have confidence that we will not let it happen.
I remember the Dutch were once so inflamed with the fire of liberty that they fought a decades-long war of independence against Spanish oppression. Back then, the Spanish were running the Inquisition-like war against global Protestantism, the first spark of liberty in the modern age. Eventually, the Dutch won the Netherlands' freedom, and Britain won its own after defeating the Spanish Armada.
What has happened since then? I know Westerners lost a lot of self-confidence after the World War debacle, but why are the Dutch so taken with post-colonial guilt? They never colonized Arabs or Turks. (Although they did colonize Muslims in Indonesia.) The Dutch have nothing to be ashamed of; they are a peaceful, productive people who love freedom.
I suspect that the Dutch and Europeans in general would show more backbone if the US administration stopped mouthing the shibboleth that Islam is a RofP. The Europeans KNOW the threat of Islam better than us, and would be more likely to recognize that threat if we opened up with them. As it is, even the cowboy Americans are being polite about Islam, so if the Dutch were to speak openly, they would debase themselves lower than us.
We need to recognize that Europe defines what is acceptable on the left, and America defines what is acceptable on the right. If rightist politicians and intellectuals are going to be able to criticize Islam, we need to set the standard.
"A London magazine withdrew the cartoons from its website after the British police informed the editor they could not protect him, his staff, or his offices from attack. This happened only days before the police provided 500 officers to protect a “peaceful” Muslim protest in Trafalgar Square."
This is why it is imperative to root out the Islamonazis in the UK and ship them to Saudi Arabia, Iran or other Islamic countries - before they completely succeed in Islamicizing the UK and all basic human freedom and rights are lost.
aardvark.iblog.com
I have a silver Maltese cross that I wear with a Miraculous Medal. I constantly get comments on it from admirers, and then they ask "What kind of cross is that?"
My answer: "It's a crusader cross. It's usually identified with the Knights of St. John, but the Templars used it, too."
Then there's a shocked little gasp, followed by my pulling on the longer chain I wear: "And this is Michael the Archangel, kicking booty!"
The only person who's found that amusing was this cool Jewish lady who was wearing a tee-shirt that said [Hebrew] Chai [English] Maintenance. I thought it was cute and that's how the conversation started.
Next on my list is to get one of those "Proud Infidel" Bumper stickers for D'Artagnan (my car).
To Franze: "The bad, is that people think that I have an obsession about that. The majority of people want to live without being bothered and without suffering." : So true, those words could be mine! But keep on!
To Granny & others: altough I must confess I do not always feel confortable reading those books in public transportation (lots of veiled heads in Brussels...), I make a point to do it, thinking that some other passengers might get interested in Bat Ye'Or, Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq, Anne-Marie Delcambre, Oriana Fallaci & others. Of course, I'm sure a lot of them think I'm some kind of "fascist", but I don't care: I cannot do much, but I do what I can to make people aware.
I can be pretty tough and hopeless, though. Some months ago, in a train, I spoke with an african lady who saw me taking notes from the Quran and complimented me on it. She was herself christian, but thought all "books of God" are similarly good. 2 hours later, after showing multiple examples of the "good words" of the Quran and the life of its "porphet", I could tell she was still convinced Islam was basicly good... sigh... That's Faith! ;-/
But quite a few people here are already too affraid to discuss this topic in public, and some are even affraid of the "wrong" persons: sometime ago, I bought a hadiths collection in the US, through amazon.com, and had it sent to a friend of mine living in the US - it was much cheaper re. p&p, and she was supposed to bring it back with her some weeks after. Only... She didn't dare. Why?? Well, because she was affraid of custom officers and "didn't want any trouble"... I said fine, send it through mail but... apparently, she doesn't dare eather! Perhaps I miss something there, but I keep thinking she misplaces her fears!
If we want to save civilisation for us and for a future generation of ex-muslims, then repatriation or exchange of muslims here, for Christians in muslim nations, is the only way. I wish there was some other way but time is getting short.
People do tend to roll their eyes whenever I start to speak about what Islam really means. I would also never write a letter to the Editor in Australia criticizing Islam, using my name. Far too risky. Douglas Murray's article sums it up. "The governments of Europe have been tricked into believing that criticism of a belief is the same thing as criticism of a race".
cathkins-
Since "Islam embraces all races" how can opposing those who believe in its violent tenets be racist?
Time to scotch this "race" fable.
All you need to say is:
"It isnt the race of the believer, it's the beliefs."
Or:
"It's the Koran, stupid!"
Tell them to look up:
http://www.british-israel.ca/Islam.htm
It's a good piece overall and I agree with a lot of it. However, I do have a couple of comments.
Europe is shuffling into darkness. It is proving incapable of standing up to its enemies, and in an effort to accommodate the peripheral rights of a minority is failing to protect the most basic rights of its own people.
On the face of it this seems true enough. The leadership around Europe (and more particularly within the EU) seem to be utterly helpless and ... well, impotent, to not put too fine a point on it. But in the streets patience is wearing ever thinner. Among my colleagues (all college and university educated) it is no longer frowned upon to be critical of both Islam and Multiculturalism. This doesn't seem like a big deal, but trust me, it is a sea change from only 5 years ago (just prior to 9/11).
The political establishment (who in the Netherlands for all intents and purposes can be defined as somewhere between very progressive and less progressive. Or very left and less so) still hasn't seemed to have caught on.
Well, maybe the true Left have, because the Big Three (Labour, Green Left and the Socialist Party) are openly pandering to the immigrants for votes. The counterweight, such as it is, is still too preoccupied with 'keeping the lot together', with or without a cup of tea.
Having said that, Holland does not have the problems with 'radical' Islam others around Europe had. Sure enough we've had some high profile incidents. And they should be paid attention to. But I think the reaction in the Netherlands to for instance the van Gogh murder did send a strong message to anyone with an inclination towards Jihad in Holland.
During the Denmark cartoon brouhaha we had two small demonstrations against the cartoons and Denmark. Pretty mild stuff, although the one in Amsterdam did see some 30 Moroccan hooligans making a nuisance of themselves. But nothing as nauseating as the first London demo, where muslims happily carried placards reading 'behead those that insult Islam' and other equally cheery messages.
Abu Jahjah of the Arab-European League did try to stir up some controversy by publishing some truely offensive anti-semitic cartoons (that I won't favor with a link). But the only real furore he created was around the blogosphere outside if Holland. For the rest he was ignored, making his 'cunning plan' (in the Blackadder sense of the word) a devastating failure. He really didn't not do himself or his movement any favors that time *snigger*.
What I'm trying to say is this: I don't think Holland makes such a good template for emulation, since the big incidents involving blatant dhimmitude have largely passed us by (for now, anyway). Foreign minister Ben Bot chided Solana for his spineless co-signing of the UN-OIC statement. Fraction leader van Aartsen of the Liberal Conservatives (VVD) took the government to task for what he thought was a lacklustre condamnation of those that instigated the Denmark Cartoon brouhaha and subsequent boycott. Both these events have met with little resistance, either from the really Left or from muslim leaders in the Netherlands. I don't know that elsewhere in Europe that happy state of affairs also exists.
Has anyone here seen the sci-fi movie Serenity?(WARNING: Don't read any further if you haven't seen the movie but would like to.)
The plot dealt with a whole world that was destroyed by well-intentioned social engineering. The political elite dropped a chemical into the water supply which was supposed to remove all "aggressive instincts" from the world's population, thereby creating a perfect, peaceful society free of war and conflict.
Unfortunately the chemical had the opposite effect on 10 percent of the population, who were turned into bloodthirsty, irrational savages. The savages proceeded to obliterate 10s of millions of the other people, who had been rendered so passive by the "peaceful" chemical they simply allowed themselves to be slaughtered wholesale without fighting back.
"Anti-agression" chemical = 40 years of multi-culti brainwashing and self-loathing
Bloodthirsty, irrational savages = Islam
10s of millions passively meeting their deaths without resistance = The West
Suzan-
A shame they didn't call the film "SUBMISSION".
Maybe foreign distributers can use that for the re-release in their tongues.
Eerily apt.
Did you comment somewhere on the news that the terrorist group Jamaat ul-Fuqra is operating a number of training camps in the U.S.? From New York to Colorado at the very least?
See The Dumb Ox at http://thomistic.blogspot.com
All the best,
D. Ox
The enemy is upon us, and many are still asleep, dreaming, while the highest civilization the planet has yet produced, is entered and brought low, conquered by a rabble of uneducated religious fanatics who gladly and generously gave their lives to achieve victory for the Islamic Empire.
Not true yet, but the time left to respond, rebalance, is slim. All immigration must stop, it must be ABM, anyone but moslems; moslem citizens must be encouraged, with money, to go back to their countries of origin, as in 'here, take this money and be rich back in zstan'; islam should not be given consideration as a religion, delegitimized, possibly made illegal.
Strong stuff, but frankly the scenario is scary any way you approach it, and i would like to avoid bloodshed, theirs or ours, by facing the challenge and dealing with it, while we're on top and have the power to do so.
Btw, i don't think we, or our governments, will handle the challenge my way, and i suspect a great deal more slaughter will be the result, of all of us, and a very real possibility that the Islamic empire will conquer and rule us.
We cannot start to win until our leaders give voice to the truth: the enemy is islam.
Islam is the glue that forms the Islamic Empire, it is its reason for being, its reason for conquering and its instruction manual to world domination.
Franze. My paternal grandfather was from Madrid a (Madrileño) and Maternal grandfather was from Barcelona (muy Catalan). Both fought in the "guerra civil" one was Franquista and the other Republicano. (Ellos acabaron In Mejico, y luego mis padres vineron a los Estados Uindos)
I grew up on stories of El Cid and "La Reconquitsa".
They celebrated Moros and Christianos end with the burning of Mohammed.
El espirito de la reconquista todavía vive en el corazón Español.
Tengas animo, sigues luchando para despertar y educar al pueblo Español hacia el peligro de la invasión Islámica.
Yo hablo con muchos Españoles, mi familia en España y muchos entienden porque se recuerdan su historia.
Nosotros somos la voz de un futuro Español y Cristiano para España.
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The Spanish sprit of the reconquista is alive in the Spanish heart.
Do not lose heart, keep fighting to wake up and educate the Spanish people about the dangers of Islam
I speak to lots of Spanairds and my family in Spain many now understand because they remember their history.
We are the voice of a future Spain that is Spanish and Christian.
I think any one who can get up on TV and say -"if you break my law, I will kill you"; you wouldn't be mistaken for thinking that somewhere in the back of these peoples mind's they think that 'They Are The Law!'.
And after the episode with the protests, which brought Islam's more violent views out in the open, Islamic people are now asking for Shar’ia Law to be put into place in areas within Europe and in Australia.
A Trick
Islamic people would know that it would be a trick to offer - to take only a small part of the country - in the name of Islam and Shar’ia Law. They know that if they were given just a small amount they would fight for much larger portions.
The violence and the threat of violence was the first step.
Now they are feeling the footing of their elevated position. And have proposed the idea of implementing Shar’ia Law and across Europe and Australia.
__________________
In other words they are asking for a part of the country (really to place it like a good retriever at Saudi Arabia's feet).
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Now that they have been told ‘No’, what will be their next move?
Political – most certainly they will be around playing their peaceful harps.
Militant – would depend on the amount of support and well that would be the breaks.
Exodus – might be a good idea for the radical effervescent layer at the top. Encourage that lot to move on by any means necessary. There are a lot of Islamic countries who could use Islamic people who are educated in the west. Particularly women.
Submission – the ones who remain must remember that people are not going want to submit mindlessly to their religious cause. And so for the majority remaining - will have to submit to the laws of the land or face punishment or expulsion.
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The danger here is to think that one country’s problems with the Muslims are different from the rest. These people don't care about borders, they are attempting to set up an Islamic State the World over, your country included.
There is always the one!
You get these girls saying, well, my boyfriend is a M-u-s-l-i-m and I am thinking about joining. And he wants me to wear the Islamic dress.
Your boyfriend’s a Muslim and he is going with you and he calls himself Islamic.
Then you should really get him a goat.
You should explain to him that he ought to be more sympathetic to his brothers in the Islamic world who find it extremely difficult to get a woman before marriage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm
That one was for Theo Van Gogh.
Killing our artists and our thinkers is just not on.
@ all,
There are still some decent folk in Holland :-)
The united nations of Dutchmark (see "website" for hybrid Danish-Dutch flag) stand in defense of civil liberties & free expression.
Within a decade or two, both countries will swap EUrabia for a new pact: the UN of Dutchmark.
Guess what their common currency will be? ;-)
We recently made our statement of solidarity in Amsterdam, feb25th.
Look here for an article in English (written before our feb25 demonstration of/for solidarity with Denmark)
This demo of ordinary citizens (no "organizing committee" barking standardized slogans et c.), by the way, was brutally disturbed by agressive so-called "anti"-fascist activists:
Link to article Amsterdam-demo feb25th
Photo-rep.
Kind regards from Amsterdam,
Sag.
When citizens in the West feel it physically prudent to cover their reading material in public places and the press is physically afraid to show a cartoon even as part of a news report it is time for these nations to start talking about removing the real source of this physical fear – Islam - as a legally allowed entity within their boarders. This is especially true when the source is ideologically the basis of constant terrorist threats. The West should be considering outlawing Islam. This, of course, will take constitutional amendments but it can be done by the will of enough of the majority and it is time for people in the West and in particular in the USA to start discussing this viable if difficult option.
Islam & democracy are clearly antithetical. The majority should stand up for their country’s very life as they want it to be and start making it clear to anyone that if they want to be a Muslim – even a “moderate” Muslim - they may have to live somewhere else.
The question "to be or not to be a defiant anti-dhimmi" is really interesting. I have recently taken my car to a garage run by predominantly Muslim mechanics as it is very close to my work. I left a lot of haraam literature (printouts from JW) inside. When I came to collect my car the boss explained with a smirky smile on his face that when he was testing the brakes my papers fell off the car seat. He picked them up and returned they they belonged. Phew! When I checked the seat it had face up the article by Dr. Sookhdeo "Islamisation of Britain". Needless to say I was driving ever so carefully that day and decided to change my garage...
The talk about challenging T-shirt reminded me of someone wearing one with the theme "When shit happens" and descriptions of various religions' reactions to it. The one about Islam particularly amused me: "When shit happens take a hostage". The owner was a Polish Jewish woma at THe Jewish Culture Festival in Cracow. She lives in Sweden - I owner if she displays it with an equal pride there? Funny this was exactly how we became friends - I complimented her on her witty T-shirt! Could I wera one like that at the 25 of March...not sure really. Anyway, it will be interesting what the police will allow us to carry (what banners) at the protest ...in defence of free speech.
Sagunto, bravo! I"m so glad to hear of your group in Holland. I hope it grows, Be brave fight those that would take away great european culture.
Fight with all your might and heart, Fight with your will and words.
Know that many , many people here in America and New York support you.
You are not alone you are part of the great movement that awakens everyday with every Jihadist outrage and Dihimmi submission.
Welcome to the fight, the fight for goodness, the fight for freedom, the fight to save the worlds cultures, the Christian, the Buddhist, the Hindu, the pagan, the secular, all of it will be lost if the shadow of Islam succeeds in covering the world.
Segunto, today you are a brother in arms. Welcome and keep us here at JW informed.
Alright everyone, I'm in a man the barricades mood, please forgive me,
Polish infideless. czesc., co u ciebie?
I was introduced to this site through a friend months ago, have visited every day since, and have now been moved to comment.
Since learning about Jihad Watch and Mr. Spencer, I have acquired and read all his books, most recently PIG. Yes, I took it out with me while I was reading it. To the park, to the restaurant, to the common area of my son's school waiting to pick him up in the afternoon. And if I were travleing while I was reading one of his books, it would go with me on the plane or train or whatever other mode of transportation I was using. And there never has been and never will be a cover.
Last I checked, I still live in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
When we start putting covers on the books we read, I fear we've taken another step towards the dark side.
Hola El Cid!
Dziekuje, w porzadku! A u Ciebie?
Back to the funny T-shirt - I guess with the hindsight I would add a few more inspiring ideas like "When shit happens take a hostage, burn a few embassies, issue death fatwas, behead all who disagree.." - it would have to be size 22 T-shirt (for big girls only!).
What is this? A meeting of the Wislawa Szymborska Fan Club? Count me in.