There's that word, "moderate" again. A terrorist elected by popular acclaim must perforce become a moderate, right? From the Bandar Beacon, also known as the Washington Post.
JERUSALEM -- Hamas leaders say they have agreed to nominate Ismail Haniyeh, a powerful party figure in the Gaza Strip, as prime minister when the Palestinian parliament convenes Saturday for the first time since the radical Islamic movement's electoral victory last month.Several Hamas officials, including Haniyeh, said Thursday that an official position had not been reached regarding his nomination to lead the next Palestinian Cabinet. But a consensus has emerged around Haniyeh's candidacy since Hamas leaders traveled to Cairo this month to meet with government officials and party members in exile, who encouraged them to choose one of their own as prime minister -- rather than support an independent nominee who might be more appealing to international donors.
Mousa Abu Marzook, the deputy head of the Hamas political bureau, told the Dow Jones News Service on Thursday from the Syrian capital, Damascus, that Haniyeh would be nominated when the new parliament meets Saturday.
Haniyeh emerged from the Hamas student movement at the Islamic University in Gaza City. He survived a 2003 Israeli airstrike but is considered a relative moderate in the movement...
Please read Robert Spencer's excellent “We Have No Peace Process” for background on the Hamas electoral victory.
OT: Reminder-Today is Friday. Have we determined any music yet for 'March of the Trolls'?
Can a tribe of sociopathic murderers truly have members who could be called 'moderate'? Does the term imply true moderation or simply a more temperate attitude towards killing; "dont slaughter the entire Israeli family, just the parents."
I have to believe that a guy who was the target of an airstrike wouldnt be interested in showing moderation to those who sent the planes.
IF you want troll music from our POV how about "Another One Bites The Dust?" OR "Who Are You?"
Hamass has picked a moderate Pal. What's that? Someone who has no problems with other people's kids blowing themselves up but not his?
Finally. These Moslems have been getting uppity. True, they have been making fine progress in their march to Global Sharia, but refusing even to bother with the taquiyya is over the top.
Our dear Moslem friends need to realize that, if we're gonna lie to ourselves, having our nascent masters telling some lies would be a big boost.
For those of you who don't regularly visit memri.org -- great piece by an Egyptian writer, Adel Gindy, on whether Tariq Ramadan is an Islamist or a moderate. Unlike the dupes who have touted him as one of the 21st century's most influential thinkers (Time magazine) or welcome him as a university lecturer in England (can't recall if it's Oxford or Cambridge) or giving them advice (T. Blair & Co.?), Gindy's opinion seems to be decidedly that Ramadan is no moderate:
Guindy adds that Ramadan belongs to the Salafi stream, to which Qutb, Al-Mawdudi and Al-Bana belong, and says that "Ramadan does not hesitate to express his hatred for the liberal reform stream. He is opposed [to the notion of] Islam developing into an individualistic faith that does not force itself on others... He condemns those who are opposed to the unique way of dress that distinguishes Muslims from others (such as the veil), describing them as traitors who have surrendered to Western thought. He also condemns those who think that the Koran and the Sunna cannot be a source of authority for contemporary personal and cultural behavior, and depicts liberal Muslims who understand liberalism in the Western sense, [i.e. as an outlook which] encourages rationalism and personal individuality, as 'Muslims without Islam'...
Read it all:
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA26606
I just figured out what the is the difference between a moderate Muslim and an extremists Muslim.
The extremist Muslims wears the bombers vest.
The moderate Muslim directs them where to go and who to bomb.
While Scott Appleby at Notre Dame (disastrous head of the Joan Kroc Center That Will Bring World Peace, which takes as its reminiscent motto "More Than Six Billion Served") and Diane "The-Pluralism-Project" Eck, take time from their busy grant-getting lives to join forces to help the ACLU get Tariq Ramadan into this country where, he devoutly hopes, he may better ply his taqiyya-and-tu-quoque trade, having come to the end of his rhetorical rope in France (see the book-length treatment of him by Caroline Fourest, "Frere Tariq"; see the television debates in which he was exposed, first by Nicolas Sarkozy and then much more devastatingly, by Alain Finkielkraut), those who were born into Islma but are not full-time apologists for it have seen right through him.
I'm not talking about the contempt Tariq Ramadan arouses in such truth-tellers as Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali. No, I have in mind rather those like the Egyptian writer Gindy above. And if you go to www.memri.org, that samaritan organization, you might also wish to read the "Lettera aperta a Tariq Ramadan" by Magdi Allam, appended to his last book. Allam is an Italian citizen, a native of Egypt, where he was raised as a Muslim. He continues to call himself a Muslim, and describes with passion his modest, decent, no doubt Islam-limited-to-the-Five-Pillars-of-individual worship parents, but unlike some who, unable to shed out of filial piety their self-description as Muslims, has no desire to serve as an apologist, and can recognize the Muslim Brotherhood past and present connections of Tariq Ramadan, in a way that a non-Egyptian Muslim might not.
Gindy and Allam -- not Appleby and Eck -- are the authorities to be studied if you wish to knkow about Tariq Ramadan. If, say, you are the president of a university, and someone has had the bright idea of "hiring Tariq Ramadan" and need to find out more.
there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. i thought there was, but recent events have changed my mind
If your sympathetic to murders who target young school children (beslan) or just indiscriminate murder (9/11) or just plain apathetic, then your as guilty as the terrorists doing the evil deeds
From WD52: Ramadan... "...touted him as one of the 21st century's most influential thinkers..."
Wonder what he is thinking about? Lots of cosmic concepts pertaining to the ultimate experience of God? Or how to improve on the modern flush toilet? (now that would be influential). Or how to BS his way into a better position? Sex? Does he ever think about that? I dont really care, just wonder what kind of thinking he's so good at. The words, influential, and thinker, do not necessarilly go together. Quality of thought is what should determine influence. Unfortunatly, all thought is not top quality. If it is based on selfishness, rather than selflessness, the influence generated will be of low quality, even harmeful.
Because Islam is a study in gross materialism, both as a religious ideology, and personal behavior of its adherants, it is based on selfishness, and not capable of generating good influence.
You can watch for more low grade selfish behavior from Hamas...
PHOTO OF Ismail Haniyeh:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/image/0,8543,-10105382550,00.html
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh salutes supporters outside his house at the al-Shati refugee camp, in Gaza City.
WaterDragon:
Adel Gindy, on whether Tariq Ramadan is an Islamist or a moderate.......
Read that one yesterday. Good expose of this scion of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Jihad takes many forms with T Ramadan being a very slick one. We denied him entry so he was scooped up by Oxford. Get your hot fresh Taqiyya at Oxford!
Also Ramadan and Notre Dame are suing the Feds over him not be allowed in to teach there
Wow! Why did I even bother to post my comment on Tariq Ramadan? I see Hugh did it ten times better
Muslims: integration or separatism?
By David Pryce Jones
Feb 2006
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1575022/posts?page=14
Moderate Muslims
If your sympathetic to murders who target young school children (beslan) or just indiscriminate murder (9/11) or just plain apathetic, then your as guilty as the terrorists doing the evil deeds
Posted by: chu - doc
Agrreee....
The silence of the so called moderatley violent Muslims across the world and within America is deafening in their support of the violence and murders of innocents across our world.
The Texican,
Freedom. The only choice at any cost.
None of the media outlets throwing around the word "moderate," such as the in the case of this "moderate" Hamas guy, have bothered to define it.
"Moderation" can be taken to imply one of two things: First, a disagreement with extremes of an argument, believing the solution is a combination of ideas from both sides. Are there two sides to anything in Hamas? More specifically, does his being a "moderate" mean he's not in favor of the destruction of Israel? Or is he for "moderate destruction," like, say, a Category-3 hurricane as opposed to a 5?
Otherwise, "moderation" can merely be the excuse of the lukewarm and spineless, one who wants to have it both ways and dodge defining an opinion they can be held to account for later.
PS - "Troll" music: "Were You Born an A------?" by David Allan Coe.
A "Moderate Hammas official" is one who kills more slowly. The only difference is the speed on which they kill non-muslims.
"Moderate" is one of the phoniest code-words (here in the U.S. too) for people who hold loathsome opinions but don't want to be identified with them.
Hilarious really.
Have you noticed that the cartoon riots just about totally disappeared from the front pages of the newspapers, here and in Europe?
Can they really have just stopped like that?
Seemed like they were just getting their steam up the other day.
Of course the liberal msm wouldn't have any interest in silencing such news...
By the way, anyone with a silly video, consider submitting it to Silly Video Friday at The Dumb Ox (http://thomistic.blogspot.com). Submissions will be collected for 7 more weeks and then there'll be voting (using a poll gadget) to find the top 5 silly videos on the web. The more the merrier. My submission this week actually came from a reader of Jihad Watch who posted it, Muslim Mosh Pit--it's a riot. Thanks.
Too bad the Do moderate Moslems exist? debate is verboten in the national media, including right wing radio. The subject should be a raging national debate that roils in all circles, regarded to be a matter of life and death. Cuz it is just that.
And if, after intense inspection, we find that darned Unicorn, let's trot it through the talk show circuit and put it up at the Smithsonian, relieved to know that everything's gonna be alright, everything's gonna be ok.
We were skeert there for a while, but it was just that Mr. Unicorn is a shy kinda guy.
Moderates? Every time a moderate raise's their head and tries to "Get along with the infidels" the extremists’ cut off his head and proceed to gang rape his wife and daughters. This has been the pattern for decades. If there ever were moderates it is certain that they are not going to be a factor. I pity them however that is what happens when decent men stand by and allow the monsters to take control."Liberty or Death" is still the only choice.
Ok, so the NYTimes has come up with a new word for us. Instead of calling him a "Moderate", this is what they are saying.
"Pragmatic Hamas Figure Is Likely to Be Next Premier."
So, this one is a pragmatic muslim.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH - USE IT OR LOSE IT
Yeah, this question of whether Hamas will be moderated by joining the government is interesting. I have my doubts, but I think the US has to try to see that it happens.
There's a new Internet petition effort which is seeking to gain support for US leadership in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It's called the Campaign for American Leadership in the Middle East (CALME). There's an impressive list of signatories including former cabinet officials and senators from both sides of the aisle.
www.mideastcalm.org
Rebecca at JW said
Actually, a terrorist chosen in a democratic election is already, by definition, a moderate, and does not need to "become" a moderate. That's why the vast majority of peaceful Muslims elected him. Q.E.D.
In the same way that, to quote Richard Nixon, if the President does it, it is by definition "legal".
The good thing about the word "moderate" being bandied about like birdseed even with Hamas is that sooner or later, it will become meaningless, and the term moderate Muslim will be recognized as an oxymoron. Once that happens, it should be harder for the Stephen Schwarz's, the Irshad Manjis, the Manzoor Ijaz's, the Ibrahim Hoopers of the world to practice their taqqiya on us.
How about describing al-Zawahiri as a moderate? With respect to Osama? Keep bandying this about, until people are sick of it.
Since Islamists want an Islamic Nation (ie the whole world), I would like to nominate a "national" anthem for them:
BAD MOON RISING
I see the bad moon arisin'
I see trouble on the way
I see earthquakes and lightnin'
I see bad times today
Don't come round tonight
It's bound to take your life
There's a bad moon on the rise
I hear hurricanes a blowin'
I know the end is comin' soon
I fear rivers overflowin'
I hear the voice of rage 'n ruin
(CHORUS)
Hope you got your things together
Hope you are quite prepared today
Looks like we're in for nasty weather
One eye is taken for an eye
(CHORUS)
Like what happened with Yasser Arafat? He went from being a terrorist to a moderate to a world leader to a Noble Prize winner.
This moderate thing may be impervious to discreditation.
There he goes again, like an amok-running prostitute:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4723450.stm
Actually: He's worse! He is far worse than any amok-running prostitute.... my apologies!
OT- at the Blog 'The Study of Revenge,' there is a poster going by the initials KT. Can't help but wonder if king tolerance is still out there:
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19111076&postID=113794405395121104
Sorry for the repeated OTs, but:
the person known as Javier no longer appears to have his 'thecallforthought' blog, which he created in opposition to Mr. Spencer. While it still has the same address:
http://thecallforthought.blogspot.com/
It now appears to have something to do with a dog named Sadie. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a disguise, but...
"Haniyeh is considered a relative moderate in the movement..."
As proof of his "moderation," Haniyeh stated that he only desires to drive Israel into the sea, but would never ever "drink the blood of an Israeli."
Jesus, Robert, let me get my dictionary ... Let's see: perforce, perforce ... perforce ...
Perforce is perforce, of course, of course.
Infidel Pride said
Actually, I'd say Osama Bin Laden is a relative moderate in the movement, since he didn't actually fly the planes into the buildings. It's all relative.
When the jihadists overthrow Musharraf in Pakistan and install OBL as caliph, how long will it take for our leaders to start talking about "building bridges" and "reconciling" so that we can continue sending funding (jizya) to Pakistan? One can almost see the "Peace Process Needs Osama" headlines already...
" Have we determined any music yet for 'March of the Trolls'? "
The Funeral March of a Marionette by Eounod, will be sufficient.
Gary,
That is definately the one and only KT, complete with ad hominem attacks, refusal to present an argument, being a jerk, futile attempts at humor, etc. etc. etc.
Sorry.