"I grew up in Pakistan and we were always taught to hate India, Israel and America"

From the above post

"Allah the Merciful, Compassionate.
Bismillah arahman araheem."

What did you just say?

This is a nice letter

But it's origins could be dubious. Hindu nationalists often write phoney testemonies about leaving islam and how bad islam and muslims are.

The alarm bells went off after she started talking about her hindu husband, and how much freedom she has now...

Just keep a heads up - after publishing this you might get a bunch of 'testemonies' from 'muslims' who have left islam and embraced a more hindu lifestyle.

I'm not saying the general messege is incorrect, but that testemonies should be genuine and it really is hard to know with hindus because of the prevelance of hindu nationalist fakery.

Ironman Hondo-

Now, I'm no etymologist, but "Ahriman" is an old Persian word for a Zoroastrian devil -or god of darkness-, while Ormuzd, or "Mazda", was their god of light (thus the somewhat demeaning lightbulbs with than title, although the car's name I can figure).

So the "arahman" would be a "demon". The "Bism-allah", would be "Abysmal Allah", and the "araheen" could be thought of a kind of elderly throat-clearing / laughing noise ("ARA" + "hee-hee")- thus the full translation would turn out to be something like:

"That demon, the abysmal Allah, I laugh in his face."

Although a standard Muslim would translate it from Arabic as:

"In the Name of God the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate".

Which is more accurate, judging by reality?

Thank you Profits Beard.
I liked the first translation. it reflects how I feel about Allah. I laugh in his demonic face!!!
Allah Peanutbutter Sandwiches!!!

Todd, on what grounds do you doubt this post by a Muslim woman who left Islam. I don't see anything incorrect or false in her post. You seem to me like a Muslim apologist.
What she said was, she has found freedom from the restraints that Islam imposes on women and that she is free now. Remember India is one of the truest democracies in the world even more so that the US or UK. The President is a Muslim, the Prime Minister is a Sikh, the leader of the largest party a foreign woman and a Catholic. Thats democracy for you. I don't doubt this the womans letter one bit. I doubt more your post, you may be a hidden Islamist.

G-d bless you Meher Unnisa!

I hope you recieve all the freedom and opportunity you no doubt deserve.

To refute the authenticity and veracity of this letter, Naseem will be appearing in 5..4..3..2..1.. seconds...

Oh sorry, she has already appeared in the guise of "Todd".

The spelling of "testemonies" gives her away. Is that like "testecles", Naseem?

Very nice from this Muslim woman who I'm sure is considered apostate and has been shunned by some of her family. If they have children i sure hope they are not being raised Muslim. Somehow I doubt they are.

There is hope for Muslims who are not willfully stupid, who refuse to lazily luxuriate in Islamic blame and rage at the "other"

I learned that one can be a good person even without being a Muslim and I got the confidence to question Islam. Islam is an artificial religion of medieval Arabs. 

Medieval Arabs indeed! One of the best descriptions of Islam I've ever seen. From one who has endured it. Hirsi Ali had to endure a clitorectomy from these retards. She too has lots of reasons for despising Islam and getting as far from it as possible

Why should I accept any religion that forces me to wear a burqa and prevents my education?

Precisely my dear!

Qadianis are a subsect of Ahmadis -- the commenter "Naseem"'s nominal group. However Naseemah may be in a different sect of the Ahmadis, or, indeed, may not be a real person at all. Since she has claimed to have visited the UK, she would have necessarily procured a passport. Did she sign a similiar statement about the Qadianis? Does anyone else know Pakistanis who had to sign such statements to procure a passport? Are they proud of such? Indifferent? Forgetful?

Not that it is an insult, of course, to describe someone as a non-muslim. But it certainly is intended as an insult from the point of view of a muslim.

Come on "WatchingU", "Naseem", and assorted other fools. Here is another chance to scorn the infidels. Pipe up, eh?

So, we have one more to the list; everyone, meet TODD.
Why do you suspect Hindus, buddy? Is it because Hindus suffered in silence when Mahmud of Ghazni, Mohd Ghauri and the Mughals came, conquered, raped and plundered? Do you know anything about the SOmnath temple? Do you know that Muslims, who are well above a 100 million in India get reservation in educational institutions and govt jobs because they are "minorities" and economically backward? Sure, they are mentally backward but is it because of the Hindu fundamentalists that they get these privileges?
Hindus put up with these bigots because they believe in Dharma. If you ever get a chance to view a Hindu's life from close quarters, see how he treats other religions. He bows in front of a mosque, a church or a gurudwara just like he paysreverence to a temple. He considers all religions as different paths.
This is a much more modern and accomodating thought that that of any Semitic religions which believe in exclusivity. Even today, Christians, Muslims and other religious groups have no problems in India.

When MF Hussein, a Muslim painter painted the Hindu Godesses Sita and Saraswait nude, some Hindus protested. Of course, MF hussein did not get murdered. Nor did any so called Hindu fundamentalist order a fatwa.

Get a life, mate. Complex things like Dharma and karma are beyond you.

chillax people

I really was just making an honest point.

I read faithfreedom.org a lot and ali sina has big issues with hindu nationalists emailing fake testemonies to him.

Hindu nationalists groups like hindu unity often use his site to incite hatred towards muslims, not simply islam.

see

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina60107.htm

What strikes me is how much of an effect the stories of apostates from islam can have in a psy-war against islam (make no mistake they're engaged in an all-out psy-war against us).The 'death to apostates' slogan is reality for many educated nominal muzlims who maynot believe all kafirs are evil. Their story needs to get out more. Big media in the anglosphere has refused to even publish cartoons, what can we expect of them in this scenario?

Todd,
No sane person hates muslims for other than ideological reasons, but it's a bit bizarre to
make the distinction between Islam and Muslims,
as a Muslim, BY DEFINITION, is a practitioner of
Islam. It's like distinguishing between Nazis
and Nazism. To be fair, some Germans may have
joined the Nazi party to "get ahead" or because
some friend or family member had them join, and
they didn't believe in Nazism. Those were the
"moderate Nazis". Moderate Muslims will leave
Islam in droves when they can do so without being
killed.

Why don't you see if you can verify the identity
of this person, if you are in such doubt? You
realize that others on this board have as much
right to suspect your identity as you do the
author of the letter, right?

Who knows better how Muslims are inculcated, and what would work to weaken the hold of the belief-system on them, than those who were brought up as Muslims? It is disturbing that no one in Congress, no one in the State Department, no one in the Pentagon, no one in the C.I.A. -- or all of those agencies together -- has asked for advice from Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Azam Kamguian, Irfan Khawaja, who are freethinkers, or for that matter Walid Shoebat, Nonie Darwish, and others who became devout Christians.

During the Cold War defectors from Russia, those who understood the psychology of Soviet man, were the ones who worked at Radio Liberty in Munich, whose information was useful to the C.I.A. and to the Pentagon.

Of course, if the fiction is maintained that it is "not Islam" but only the "extremists" who offer merely a "perversion" of a "noble religion" then the maintenance of that fiction will cost tens or hundreds of billions of dollars, will endanger the civilizateion of the Western world, and with it, the lives of many millions of Infidels.

Is maintaining that fiction, as not to offend official Muslim groups, worth it?

I have seen Ali Sina question the authenticity of Hindus who claim to have been Muslims at one time. Question is - how can one know? Did Ali Sina have any way of verifying that those who were claiming to have been converts were in fact, out & out Hindus from the get go? Did any analysis of their posts reveal to him that the claimants were more familiar with Hindu teachings than with Islam? It's taken a while to determine that Naseem is probably several people posting from the same account - how does one automatically assume that if a Muslim claims to have converted to Hinduism, that such a claimant is a fraud?

Also, from a Hindu standpoint, what does one gain by falsely claiming to have been a convert from Islam? Is there an expectation that such a claim will simply get the ball rolling? Much more useful work was done by VHP activists who ran "re-conversion" camps in parts of India in the 80's (haven't heard of them doing any of that recently).

In the above case, the claim made by Meher that she was made to sign a claim about the Qadianis, should be enough to show that she is genuine. Not to cast aspersions on Hindutva activists, but not too many Hindu nationalists would be aware of that level of fissures in Pakistani society - they may be expected to know about the Shia and Sunnis, and Ahmadiyas, but that would be about it.

Naseem, is that you baby?

Unfortunately I have to agree with Naseem/Todd. This does sound like a false letter from a hindu nationalist. These people are not helping us in the struggle against islam they only wish to profit by its destruction. The references to her hindu husband and the partition of India into Pakistan and India were enough for me to suspect, without reading the other comments, that this person was a hindu national. We should keep in mind that hindu nationalists are virulently xenophobic they hate Christians and Jews only slightly less than muslims and many of them are socialists and thus anti-American. Keep in mind that these people allied themselves against the US and with the soviet communists during the cold war (although they claimed to be non-aligned). Having known as many as I have I can tell you that hindu nationalists would be just as gleeful at the downfall of the West as the muslims. Many of them think that we have had our time “in the sun” and that it is their turn to take over. This letter is bogus it is carefully crafted to evoke positive sentiment from Americans by claming that the US was the source of the writers freedom. Ali Sina has exposed other letters like this they are usually unsophisticated and clearly biased. It is a wonder that they expect us to fall for them. I guess it is a testament of how ignorant they think we are.

Way to go SnowDog,

I tell you that you've been reading waay too much into Indian press.

We should keep in mind that hindu nationalists are virulently xenophobic they hate Christians and Jews only slightly less than muslims and many of them are socialists and thus anti-American

Hell Jews? Thats a new one on me. Indian Jews have been the only jewish community in exile to have escaped anti-semitism in history. As for Christians, well yess Hindutva thugs have been violent and even killed one missionary (the guy is on death row) but the situation is no where near as dire as Evangelists seem to suggest it, nor do they accept that the Hindu-Christian friction is largely a result of their aggressice and coercive proselytisation methods (Benny Hinn et al.).

Well as for Anti-Americanism, you can have anti-American views while at same time see radical Islam for what it is. Remember we've fighting Islam for over a mellenium. Many of our present day troubles have been helped by short-sighted American foreign policy. Last heard this blog wasnt America centric, was it?

err corrections:
Many present day anti-India jehadis have been helped by short-sighted American foreign policy.

SnowDawg:
"hindu nationalists are virulently xenophobic they hate Christians and Jews"

Hindus hating Jews???? Almost like Hun's hating the Mayan's. Any pointer would be appreciated.

SnowDawg:
"hindu nationalists are virulently xenophobic they hate Christians and Jews"

Hindus hating Jews???? Almost like Hun's hating the Mayan's. Any pointer would be appreciated.

Todd & Snowdawg etc...these doubts (Muslim converting to Hinduism & confessing it! Horror !) are your prejudices talking.

I guess the problem with people (especially White right wing people) suspecting conversion from Muslim to Hindu testimonies is that THEY have a problem with HInduism...they cannot believe that ANYONE would willingly convert to the 'pagan-heathen' Hindu religion...Hindus for them are good enough when they want support to fight Jihadists...but who really cares about Hindus or Hinduism...just use & discard them.

Snowdawg

You obviously don't know the first thing about Hindu nationalists, if you think that they are socialists. During the Cold war, they were nowhere near power - what you had was a socialist secular Indian government cozying up to the Soviets. It wasn't until 1995 that the Hindu nationalists came anywhere near power in India.

On one hand, you point out that the writers are usually unsophisticated, while simultaneously giving them too much credit, if one could fish out the plight of the Qadianis, rahter than simply state something about Shia/Sunnis.

Also, Nasseem didn't post anything in this thread, but that didn't stop you attributing Todd's opinion to her. No doubt, you imagine what you read, and read what you imagine.

I have a lot of hindu friends from India. They know there history and they know ours better than most left wing pinkos that roam the universities here today. I think that hindu nationalists are the only hope the world has now. The west is all but gone. Even thought Sikhs suffered from Islam too I do feel they suffer from dhimmitude. Most I talk to in Canada do not know their history and suffer from an inferiority complex where they will rally around any none white force. In this case Islam. I hate meeting people who always talk about a grand coalition of India, China, and the Muslim world. None of these groups share a common interest. When people talk this way I know they have an inferiority complex. Especially India. India has lost so much to muslims. Every Hindu I spoke with knows this.

But this attraction to Islam because of ones feeling of oppression or humiliation must stop. Many black muslims turned to Islam because they hate white people. Yes blacks suffered in the states. But it wasnt whites that started the slave trade of Africans it was Muslims. And besides the Arabs are not anit-white imperialist. In fact they are both caucasian and Imperialist. They are the other white meat. They are white supremacists that are so racist they even hate other whites who are not arab.

SnowDawg - India is the only living oldest civilization which to this day has NEVER had any anti semitism - Even the Isrealis acknowledge that - if you want further info let me know I will post on this thread