Iranian Paper Plans Holocaust Cartoons

I can guarantee you right now: no Westerners will be hurling stones or gasoline bombs because of any cartoons Hamshahri will publish.

ROBERT I WOULD NOT BE TO SURE ABOUT THAT

We can never know what the moslems will do to provoke agro

They'll have to work very hard to surpass the sentiment expressed in the one of Hitler in bed with little Anne Frank but I have 100% faith in these Morlocks. They can do it. They can draw right from personal experience.

It's all good. This is the only time they tell the truth.

I have seen an endless stream of Muslims interviewed in various European media who express outrage at the cartoons, but who also attempt to distance themselves from their violent brethren... This may be well and good, but I notice a couple distinct patterns...

1. Their objections to violent protests seems to mainly center around the idea that these only give Islam a bad name. There doesn't seem to be any traction for the notion that these actions violate basic rules of civilized conduct, or that the principles against which these violent riots are being waged have any intrinsic merit -- these ideas are altogether missing in the objections of these so called "moderates..."

2. The Muslims I have seen interviewed ALL state that the cartoons represent a grave "insult" to their "prophet" and their "religion" -- they ALL then go on so state that Muslims never defame the religion of the Jews or the Hindus or the Christians! -- This is done in complete deadpan -- no sense whatsoever of irony -- I am utterly dumbfounded. If one is familiar with the facts, then one is aware of the rampant, incendiary and grotesque hatefulness of the Arab and Muslim against Jews, Christians, Hindus. There is no end to the hatefulness, contempt, and defamation against nations and races, against Americans, Britons, Europeans, blacks, etc... There is no end to the defamations, vitriol, and threats which are made daily in the Arab/Muslim press against non-Muslims... No Muslim is unaware of these facts. If you know the truth, you can see how these so-called "moderate" appearing Muslims, lauded and interviewed by the Western Press as exemplars of the "moderates" of Islam speaking out against violence are really only perpetuating a poisonous and dishonest picture of Islam and Muslims... These Muslims ALL know how hateful their media is against Americans, Christians, Jews, Europeans... These "moderate" Muslims may not be acting in an obviously violent manner, but I would maintain that they are doing grave violence to the Western notions of honesty and full disclosure... They are certainly not convincing me of their moderation -- I have never seen them or any other Muslims protesting against the hatefulness of Arab/Muslim media -- NEVER!

They and their Western promoters do great harm to our side by continuing to hold out the vain and false hope that there are such things as "moderate" Muslims -- At the very least, if you know all the facts -- these interviews reveal these Muslims to have much more in common with their violent rampaging maniac brethren than they have with us and our beliefs in freedom of expression, plurality, belief in the laws of man, belief in our Constitution, freedom of the press, freedom of thought...

Talking about "freedom of expression" how would a religious christian feel and react if someone draw cartoons of Marry (the virgin) trying to prove that she was'nt really virgin or was single mother like most of westren women and christ had same status as most of westren children who know nothing about their father or fathers...??? will it hurt anyone's feelings?...it won't hurt the non-religious people and most of them visit this site...i guess it would only hurt the religious christians... but why...??? its "freedom of expression or speech" after all....

A similar anti-Jewish cartoon project has been proposed by a "European" Muslim group.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1588717&page=1

One of the suggestions was to do a cartoon of Adolf Hitler in bed with Anne Frank. (Didn't the Neo-Nazis already do that?) Anyways, this example just goes to show the failure of these Muslims in moral thinking, as well as a complete obliviousness to the facts (maybe this is why Islamists and post-modernists get along so well together in all the "dialogues"?). This Hitler-Anne Frank cartoon is supposed to be retaliation for the worst of the Danish cartoons. However, Mohammad really was a terrorist by his own account ("I have been made victorious with terror"--Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220), and by the orders of Allah throughout the Koran, and he told his followers to "slay themselves" (4:66) in Allah's cause, and to use whatever in the power (8:60), weapons heavy or light (9:41), using every strategem of war (9:5). Islamists can use whatever means is available in slaying or being slain in Allah's cause. Mohammad said that if he had not been assigned the duty of prophet, he would have been a martyr and would have martyred himself over and over again (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35). Modern day Islamists put all of these propositions of Mohammad's together and blow themselves up in Allah's cause. The Danish cartoon merely reflected these facts, and was never intended to refer to all Muslims, just those who cited invoked the prophet for their suicide bombings.

Now turn to the Hitler-and-Anne Frank-in-bed cartoon. Any basis for that? No. Is our Muslim spokesman the least bit troubled by that? No. Anne Frank was completely innocent and a victim of Hitler, and this doesn't bother the Muslim spokesman at all, either. Mohammad was a terrorist and non-Muslims were the victims. Modern day Mohammadan suicide-bombers are terrorists and the intended victims are usually non-Muslims (or regarded as such by the bomber). Yet Muslims are now upset about the depiction of the prophet as a suicide bomber (or as their inspiration), not about the non-Muslims not depicted who also get blown to bits. Such is the thinking of unrepentant narcissistic egotists who lack empathy.

does anybody else think danish cartoons are the best thing since sliced head?

As Posted by: Archimedes

("I have been made victorious with terror"--Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220), and by the orders of Allah throughout the Koran, and he told his followers to "slay themselves" (4:66) in Allah's cause, and to use whatever in the power (8:60), weapons heavy or light (9:41), using every strategem of war (9:5).[THATS WHAT CHRISTAINS DOING SINCE CENTURIES...AND ALL THOSE SAYING ARE FOR BATTLE FEILD..KILLING CIVILIANS WERE NOT ALLOWED EVEN THEN...KILLING AN ENEMY IN WAR IS NOT TERRORISM...IF IT IS TERRORISM ..THEN USA IS THE BIGGEST TERROSIT...REMEMBER WHAT THEY DID WITH JAPANIES CIVILIAN IN WORLD WAR??]

I dont know about the comics being the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the over reaction? Priceless.

Fedder,

You seem to have missed the subject matter of my post. Let's review: A member of a Muslim European group was talking about making a cartoon depicting Adolf Hitler in bed with Anne Frank. (Do you know who Anne Frank was?). In contrast(!), the depiction of Mohammad as a terrorist (in the Danish cartoon) has a basis in The Koran and Hadith and Islamic history (and in contemporary times, as per Islamists' use of suicide bombing); also Mohammad assassinated critics and poets, etc. The depiction of Hitler in bed with Anne Frank has zero basis in fact.

Do you understand why I thought that the Mohammad-bomb cartoon was not equivalent to the Hitler-Anne Frank cartoon? Or are you simply trying to pull the thread off-topic?

Archimedes,
I understand what you were saying ...and i just replied of your sayin " Mohammad really was a terrorist by his own account"... I think you never gone through Islamic history or teaching ..maybe you just read the books written by westren writers with intention to bash about Islam.. Islam never allows killing an innocent.Prophet Mohammad forgave his worst enimies always during his preaching period he use to pary for them when those ppl use to throw stones and garbage on him and put thorns in his way and when he won the last war in Mecca he announced forgiveness for all his enimies...
Why you guys only love to see one side of picture and jump into self made conclusions about the other side of picture which you have not seen.

Archimedes -- I just got a chance to read the now defunct thread where your response to my response to your response was posted...

Thanks -- good points all.. Your patience and sobriety astounds me -- As you probably know, I'm fond of a slightly more florid approach -- I'll also admit that I post as much to give vent and consolidate my thoughts as to analyse and illuminate...

You are especially correct in maintaining that knowledge of the execrable contents of the Koran is central in bursting the miasma filled bubble that the terrorists are "perverters" of Islam, or that they express a "distorted" version of the words therein. The most honest concessions I here from Muslims themselves is admitting that these persons are "literalists", which is usually met with a blank stare from the Western Media figure who has elicited this rare candor from the Muslim interviewee -- How true -- how true -- No "perversion" of Islam, when it's all right there in curlicues and arabesques -- flowery Arabic speech denoting and commanding the annihilation and subjugation of all that is not Islam ---

BTW -- The poster above is clearly nothing more than an Islamist propagandist and provocateur... His crude attempts to establish parallelism and symmetry where non exist between ancient Christian behavior, and current day Islamic crimes against humanity says it all... I think I detect a certain French patois in the uncouth posts above...?

"Why you guys only love to see one side of picture and jump into self made conclusions about the other side of picture which you have not seen."

A. We don't "LOVE" to see how horrible and barbaric the Muslims are -- haven't you yet gathered that we HATE your Jihad -- that we deplore your heinous Muslim atrocities -- that we would LOVE to see it all end --

B. RE: "picture which you have not seen." Is it the frumious bandersnatch of which you speak? I've heard tell about it!!! Do you have a picture!? OH! It's elusive! Elusive! (Some say it doesn't exist! And I have never seen its likeness!)

Oh for crying out loud...I get back on lunch break and write a post on this...I then browse around and see you've beaten me by a few hours. You even used the exact same picture I was going to bring up. Sheesh.

Oh well.

"Ditto"

I say GO AHEAD! id like to see some of those cartoons from Iran as well. Stupid hypocites. I just hope that our president doesnt do somthing stupid and prove Iran right.

I hope Iran does print the anti Semetic cartoons. This will only prove,

1. That they do it all of the time anyway.

And,

2. Continue to make Islamic cartoons more common in the west.

Boy, are they dumb. People this stupid need to be lied to. All that they have to do is just, SHUT UP ABOUT THE CARTOONS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! But that's to much like right.
Stupid Islamofeces!!!

Iran?? Wanting holocaust cartoons? Isnt this the same dumb ass government that said that the Holocaust never exisisted. Make up your freaking minds already...According to Iran, the cartoons should then be blank pieces of paper... I wont hold my breath thouhg.

As always,,good posts, guys!!

Firstly: I believe the Anne Frank cartoon is up and running,,not part of this Iranian competition, although I haven't seen it as yet.

Secondly:
Fedder,,,you quoted,,,,
"Islam never allows killing an innocent.Prophet Mohammad forgave his worst enimies always during his preaching period he use to pary for them when those ppl use to throw stones and garbage on him and put thorns in his way and when he won the last war in Mecca he announced forgiveness for all his enimies..."

I guess it boils down to what you define as "innocent" for indeed many of your co-religionists obviously have a different take on what this means. Are they disobeying your prophet then? Will they not go to Paradise?
Were all those in New York, Bali, London etc guilty of something then? (Being infidels I suppose!!)
Your jihadi's in the palestinian territories think all Israeli's are guilty as they condone killing pregnant women, and children because they are all potential soldiers.
You defend islam whenever you can, but you guys are not even following what your prophet says - (the quote you put in above).

Assuming I am an "enemy infidel" I don't need or want your prophet's forgiveness - he is a false prophet! One can scarcely believe otherwise after what you say of him, and what is happening all around the world.

Fedder,

What does what you're saying have to do with the topic of this thread? As regards to my post, do you know who Anne Frank was? And do you think the Hitler-Anne Frank cartoon is as morally and factually appropriate as the Mohammad-with-bomb-on-head cartoon? It's not a difficult question to answer.

We know how Mohammad dealt with the issue of free speech. He had many critics and mockers assassinated or executed, e.g., see

http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Enemies/index.html ,

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/free_speech.htm ,

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm .

jsla,

My hopes now, with this mass cartoon insanity unfolding, is that all the attention on Islam will encourage people to look into Islamic history and the Islamic texts. And I hope they take greater notice of the stories reported from around the world, stories which end up on specialist sites like this one. I think people will be made curious by the frightening absurdity of it all, curious enough to dig a little deeper than what is being presented in the mainstream media. Though I should add, even some columnists in the MSM are starting to say some pretty blunt and decidedly not politcally correct things about Islam. I mean, with this much absurdity, just stark raving madness, how can people really buy the line that this is just Muslims' feelings being hurt because of some nasty cartoons? Surely they'll suspect there's more to it, and they'll want to answer some of those questions that will naturally be raised.

If this cartoon business illustrates anything, it shows how the angry Islamists are their own worst enemy. If they'd just kept a low profile and waited for a few decades for demographics to take over, they might have had a better chance at achieving their ultimately imperialistic goals.

fedder

your missing the point man. Yes as a christian i would not like seeing merry or christ being depicted negitivily. if i do see somthing like that i choose not to look at it. One of my favorite bands is jewish and they sing a song about how Jesus is pissed off at Mel Gibson and wants his BMI royalies instead of our love. Yes it offends me but ti doesnt make me wasnt to start a riot and make death threats to NOFX. I get very sad hearing Fat Mike sing those blasphmis songs, but again I DO NOT WANT TO KILL HIM! the point is that Islam has no idea how to exercise humans rights. Day after day they commit crimes against humanity by making the woman wear the dark heavey clothes in the middle of desert in 125 dagree weather. In Iran, islamist extremeist are riding around on motor bikes and throwing acid in womans faces because they're not competely covered while the Iranian President encourages this behavior saying that its helping to fight against western culture coruption. While i dont believe in homosexuality i still believe that they have the right to LIVE. They get hung in the middle of town square as young as 16 in the middle east for being gay and u call the US terrorist?! They have been terrorizing their own people for decades and now they want to impose that terror on the rest of the world. Yes american has done its fair share of terrible things but at least its been able to create a place for those oppressed muslims to flee to and start a FREE life. Why is it always up to america to save the day!? if those muslims want freedom they need to stand up and fight back at their leaders! but ther recent actions have shown the rest of the world that they dont want freedom. they want the entire planet to conform to their beliefs! im sorry but my children are not going to be forced to speak Arabic and pray to Allah 5 times a day. Their savoir is Jesus Christ. not Muhammad the war mongerer, rapist, thief slave driver and pedophyle! Who its more peaceful, a man that used his religion to violenty conqeur non-believing nations?! or and man who gave his own life to save of from our sins!?

...and I agree with posters above that, should Muslims try to "retaliate" by making anti-Jewish cartoons, this will hurt Muslims much more than it will hurt Jews. It will simply expose the rampant anti-Semitism in the Islamic world.

Archimedes:

"If they'd just kept a low profile and waited for a few decades "

I don't believe it's in the nature of the beast! Perhaps one of the saving graces for our side out of all of this Islamic insanity...

Given the nature of the non-centralized nodelike nature of Islam, it behaves more like a herd or agglomeration of mutually motivated symbiotic organisms, rather than a centrally controlled entity with a nervous system... Sure, it can convulse, and coordinate its actions to a great degree, but it lacks the executive capacity to change it's genetic course, modify its general trajectory in a larger sense. Sure, it can perfect its mechanisms of degradation and disinformation, invent more efficient methods of terrorism and totalitarianism, but in the end it is Islam after all!

The always excellent Belmont Club has an especially interesting post today in which the inimitable Wretchard writes on the idea of Muslim overreach -- He likens the vicious and thoroughly corrupt hulk of the Islamist venture to a "protection racket" and inimates that the Arab ME has attempted to "Bitch slap" the Europeans back into dhimmitudinous compliance... He further speculates that the Islamists may have gone too far this time... Right or wrong, it makes for a good read ---

Do you read The Belmont Club? for now the link can be found at:

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/

I keep hoping SOMETHING wakes our stuporous and blithe Westerners... How bizarre if it end up being something like this cartoon tomfoolery -- it does encapsulate the issue of free expression vs Islamic intolerance rather nicely -- and calls the Muslims out of their confusing webs and hideyholes of deception...

should read: "intimates" -- I need to find some way to post using a spell checker or something... I am a vile filthy typist.

in the name of freedom , hate between people is created by those who just wanted wealth or puplicity ,and people from all sides pay the price .. the danish cartonests are wrong and what the iranines are trying to do is wrong too .. we can critisize eash others without insults or showing disrespect to religon ... those who is arguing about freedom ,since when any body questioned your freedom .. let not this freedom be used for hate but to used to bring justice to all ....

Musa

the only ones using freedom to hate is radical muslims. The ones that live a free sociaty such as london are protesting in the streets chanting murder. carrying signs that say "behead those who insult islam" "europe learn from 9/11" "slay those who insult islam" "freedom go to hell" Yes while insulting others beliefs is wrong it, the muslim over reaction is much worse. Those people dont want freedom as i said before. They want the entire planet to conform to their ideas and the people who choose not to recieve death. We live in a sociaty thats far out of the stone age and the dark ages. they have yet to transgress from that and its painfuly clear they dont want our help and would rather stay that way. thats fine if they want to live that way. after Jesus gave us a choice to believe in him or not. no strings attached. but when they start to fly air planes into our buildings murduring thousands of people on our land, a line has to be drawn. I dont believe war is the asnwer but what can u expect from an idiot as big as george bush. yes let freedom pravail for justice for all, but its kinda hard when the enemy doesnt want freedom, only death. im not speaking for all muslims only the ones that throw cocktail bombs at people over a cartoon.

Avitar and US Infidel:
The same thought occurred to me also.

If Iran denies the Holocaust how can they do cartoons about it?
As always,,they want it both ways,,no, all ways, their ways!!!!

I also feel it will do them more harm then anyone else.

I hope this silly cartoon nonsense helps the world wake up from its stupor.

It is hard to believe there are so many morons on this planet but the facts speak for themselves:
Double standards, hippocrisy, intolerance, violence,,,I could go on.

jsla,

Thanks for the link. Good to see this "faked cartoons" subplot is getting noticed...not sure if it's made the mainsteam media yet.

Jawknee
you wrote
"Yes it offends me but ti doesnt make me wasnt to start a riot and make death threats to NOFX. I get very sad hearing Fat Mike sing those blasphmis songs, but again I DO NOT WANT TO KILL HIM! "
i agree with you there... even if Mohammad was living now he would have ignored it and would have prayed for those people who tried to insult him..i agree the roiting of muslims and burning the building is not good reaction ..but they are offended.. muslims does not seprate religion from life as christain do ..so the reaction is different...it would offend me too if i see such cartoons about marry or christ..every muslim will..go ahead ..try it ..and you will see the same reaction from muslims.coz muslims respect marry n christ same way as they do for Mohammed... its one of the basic to be a muslim to respect marry n christ and all prophets send by God on earth.
I agree killing the innocent is wrost thing..and those who doing are not true muslims or christains..no religion gives permission of innocent people.. even if the are non belivers.

you wrote:
" a man that used his religion to violenty conqeur non-believing nations?!"

I disagree..it was always christains who wanted to conqure the entire world and still trying to..do u remember how british and french invaded a big part of planet and made them colonies..and now how USA invading countries which it feel have differences with its agenda... if in past muslims did it or now christians did it...it has nothing to do with teaching of islam and christanity..it the human nature and the rule of "Might is Right"..thats what happened in past thats what is happening now..
We need to see the reason of hate and try to finish it... hate in reply of hate is not the remedy...it will do no good to humanity and the world.

Well.

I think the cartoon competition in the Iranian paper is an excellent idea.

It seems that arabs have no concept of what the Holocaust actually was, and have reduced it to some kind of comic strip adventure in their heads -- which also is dangerous for them themselves, because those mullahs seem to want to emulate Hitler.

Many people forget that not only Jews and non-germans, or 'misfits' and priests were the victims, but also the many Germans that were misled into collective madness and dragged along into a living hell by a tide of fear and repression.

This is an great opportunity to piggyback on the publicity and educate arabs about the real story and the dangers of following 'Fuehrers'.

Frodnum,

I hope the papers will reprint the cartoons, together with lenghty analysis about the truth.

Translating the Diary of Anne Frank into Farsi and other arabic languages and making them available on the internet and also as cheap printed matter is long overdue.

Now, most people donate in humanitarian disasters, and frankly, I call the stupendeous ignorance of the arab countries just that, and I would be prepared to buy a book to feed the hungry minds here.

Fedder,

If muhammad taught tolorence and prayed for his enemies than why are so many muslims rioting? Being offened is ok but destruction and murder and anarchy over a cartoon is unexceptable and child like. I can completely understand you or any muslim view the US invasion of Iraq the way you and they do, but all i can say about that is George Bush is NOT a christian, He is so far away from the teachings of jesus its not even funny. Jesus knew you cannot make peace with bombs. George Bush does not. He doesnt speak for all christians. only for his hypocritical, greedy reggime.

Listen, guys, whenever a goon like ahmadeviljad starts to deny or belittle or mock the Holocaust, he has to be reminded that Muslims took part in it. We should never forget that. It's not just that they now try to deny the Holocaust but that they themselves took active part. And the most active, most prominent Muslim who collaborated in the Holocaust was --surprise-- a Muslim cleric, one Haj Amin el-Husseini, British-appointed mufti of Jerusalem. But there were others. Now that has to be part of any proper response to a Holocaust cartoon contest, to Qaradawi, and to all the other Arab & Muslim political goons, newspaper scribblers, TV propagandists [a la Hanan Ashrawi or Michael Tarazi, etc].
But bear in mind that Husseini wasn't the ONLY one. There were other Arabs, Chechens, etc. who took part in the Holocaust. Anyhow, try to google husseini + holocaust + arabs

jawknee,

Its same way with radical mullas ..they r playing politics or war..it has nothing to do with islam ..rather they are agents of someone ..whos using them for giving bad name to islam ..and they are successful in it... if go in history of islam and read about sufiism or sufies (saints) it will give you fair idea what a real muslim is ..and how the spread islam..those sufi were the real representatives of Islam..they preached with love ...setting an example of themselves..these mullas are just dirty worms which do nothing except spreading hate (even inside muslim groups) let aside other religions