Malaysia holding LA's al Qaeda plotters

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See the Danish site Face of Muhammed: http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/ for updates on countries in which the Jyllands Posten Muhammed cartoons have been published and what has happened in those countries. Also see the links in the side-bar as well as the comments for more info.

The revolving doors of Islamic prisons will not keep these eager warriors of Islam from fighting the Jihad!

Again and again and again....Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia: what's the difference?

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The "shoe bomber"

OT, but related:

Today’s Extras on Jihad’s 5th Column:

More Public Indoctrination to islam in Tampa, Florida:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21232

The War you Can’t Ignore:

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/books_entertainment/reviews/WThomasSmithJr/185450.html

Pursuing Mayhem:

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/tonysnow/2006/02/10/185942.html

God save us from the voices of Reason:

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/charleskrauthammer/2006/02/10/185941.html

God save us from the voices of Reason: (see link above)

This article goes straight to the point.

The writer speaks of 'Muslim supremacists' or 'Muslim Supremacy'. This should be the new by-word.

The Islamic anger with the West is irrational. It was like it was waiting to happen.

All the money the Saudis wasted on Mosque building and anti-western teachings did little to change western sentiments. [Except the few who were converted while in prison.]

They want to change our rules to suit them. These poor illiterate people - what do they know about our rules. Let’s talk about rules.

Western pressure has been placed on Jordan to outlaw Honour or Mercy Killings.

One Jordanian woman, being interviewed, said that she voted to keep Honour Killings. Because the pressure to change was seen to be coming from the West. But also she pointed out that Honour Killings are more difficult for the men who have to perform them – as they feel great pressure and angst before they would 'have to' kill their sister or daughter.

This was a woman who had a job as a policewoman, by the way - probably through western pressure for more women’s rights in the region.

What can we do? The Jordanians decided that they wish to keep practice of Honour Killings in place.

So fine.
As bizarre as this seems to us, it is their sisters, it is their daughters.

But likewise they should also respect our wishes. We have decided that we are going to have freedoms of the press, have freedom of speech and perhaps if they don't like it they can then pick a card and choose which Islamic country they would like to live in.

I agree with the writer also – for example around the Tsunami / Last Christmas – CNN was to run a program which challenged the story of Christ. Which made me wonder would they do a story which challenged Islam around the Hajj. Say for example a documentary which takes a closer look at Islam’s Pre-history. Everyone knows that that reporter would only live for about seven short days after the program was aired.

Again CNN aired the Jewish flag overlaying the Nazi swastika. But I have also seen pictures of the Islamic flag overlaying the same Nazi symbol. On average the Jewish person won’t leap out from behind a bush stab you with some sort of sharp object.

Truth is that we are covering Islam under the threat of the sword.

We are all hostages.

"We are all hostages"
Yes, yes yes. Absolutely. People don't realize that political correctness (in this case out of fear not only of offending mozzies, but being attacked by them) is a form of subjugation. When no one stands up to state the obvious about Islam, we are held hostage by it. What is happening now is that an entire continent - Europe - is held hostage by Islam.... The spineless way that most Euros are refusing to stand up for the Danish cartoon shows that the surrender to Islam is real- not complete yet, but very real.
Things are better in the USA, as many many commentators, even, say, Lou Dobbs on "Blue State" CNN, refer to " Islamist terror" routinely as a replacement for the word "terror". But, that don't mean we are out of the woods, just better off than the Euros.

There are plots and sub plots...lots of them...Probably some of the sub plots have sub plots. Muslims are adept at sub, sub plots. They get that from the plagerising Prophet who said that 'war is deceit'. Well, he was right in part, but he did'nt invent the concept. Someone else said that all was fair in love and war.
That 'all is fair ' stuff needs strong controls lest the noble warrior falls into animal savagery. The trick is to unleash all your fury, without losing your direction or imparing your intelligence. A good boxer is well aware of this. If he loses his temper, he will most likely do something stupid and lose the fight.
Most Islamics are too high strung and overly emotional to be anything in a war but cannon fodder. The 'clever' Sons of Allah', stay safe in their spider holes while they send the intellectually deprived to do the dirty work, and die. It must be great to be in the hierarchy of Islam. Especially if you get oil money or are on the British dole as was/is Hamza or you can steal a lot. Living high off that forbidden hog, great palaces, fast cars, fast women during a fast trip to Vegas. While all the time, sending their savage, and not too bright, brothers to their deaths. Well, I suppose this is the way Allah has stacked the blocks...our job is to knock the stack down. Push it over. It's already top heavy and starting to lean. 'Crash', no more plots, no more sub-plots, but the trips to Vegas will continue. There's something about 'fast women' muslims cant resist...

I am not very optimistic that the detainees will see justice. They will remain incarcerated only as long as Uncle Sugar and we Infidels pay bribes.

I will stay with the advice of Jesus The Christ and "Buy a Sword."

Re: "Whether they would have been able to get these guys actually in the States is another deal. "

I think Mr. Conboy is wearing blinkers. Why would the hijackers have to get into the U.S. (or Canada for that matter). What about flights from Mexico or outside North America?

My beloveds (Malik and Musa)

May the Creator of the heavens and the earth reward your valiant strivings in the den of inequity of the shaytin.

One ponders the question: Of all the professed religions of the world... WHY has Islam become the chief and sole obsession of so many Americans? Is it purely because of the events of September 11, or are there other reasons? What motivates so many people that are not Muslim to spend countless hours researching Islam if they want nothing to do with it?

Be sure, this is a dedicated, well-orchestrated, totally planned campaign being waged to disuade as many people as possible from their chosen religion (funny, they are not interested in converting the atheists, wiccans or satanists), and turn back as many Muslims as they can from their religion. If this were not so, you would be able to engage in intelligent dialogue with these people and discuss and compare religion respectfully without trading insults.

The tendency to apply today's standards to acts that occurred more than 1,400 years ago is also suspect, given the fact that Muslims are accused of living in the past and following a religion that is archaic and obsolete. The bible, revered by millions as irrefutable truth from God, is never put under similar scrutiny.

For example, Prophet Lot is reported to have slept with his two daughters after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah at their urging, fearing that the world needed to be repopulated and they were the only survivors as seen in these direct quotes from the bible, NIV:

"Lot and His Daughters" NIV, Genesis 19:30-36

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab [g]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi [h] ; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.

Should we question the morals of Prophet Lot and his daughters for engaging in this obvious act of incest?

Still more distressing passages of immorality can be found in Genesis 38:13-18. I challenge anyone anywhere to find a single passage that says Muhammad slept with his daughters, committed adultery, or fornicated even once outside of marriage:

13 When Tamar was told, "Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep," 14 she took off her widow's clothes, covered herself with a veil to disguise herself, and then sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. For she saw that, though Shelah had now grown up, she had not been given to him as his wife.

15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face. 16 Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, "Come now, let me sleep with you." "And what will you give me to sleep with you?" she asked.

17 "I'll send you a young goat from my flock," he said. "Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?" she asked.

18 He said, "What pledge should I give you?"
"Your seal and its cord, and the staff in your hand," she answered. So he gave them to her and slept with her, and she became pregnant by him. 19 After she left, she took off her veil and put on her widow's clothes again.

And in the following passages, David lies with Bathshebah, a black hittite woman, the wife of Uriah, plots for him to be killed in battle, and earns the wrath of God. Notice that the prophets of the bible did not shy away from killing and warfare. Also notice that in 2 Samuel 11:4, Bathshebah lay with David after ritually "purifying" herself from "uncleanness". Why was she considered "unclean"?:

2 Samuel 11:1-26 (NIV)

David and Bathsheba

1 In the spring, at the time when kings go off to war, David sent Joab out with the king's men and the whole Israelite army. They destroyed the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David remained in Jerusalem.

2 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, 3 and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?" 4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then [a] she went back home. 5 The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, "I am pregnant."

6 So David sent this word to Joab: "Send me Uriah the Hittite." And Joab sent him to David. 7 When Uriah came to him, David asked him how Joab was, how the soldiers were and how the war was going. 8 Then David said to Uriah, "Go down to your house and wash your feet." So Uriah left the palace, and a gift from the king was sent after him. 9 But Uriah slept at the entrance to the palace with all his master's servants and did not go down to his house.

10 When David was told, "Uriah did not go home," he asked him, "Haven't you just come from a distance? Why didn't you go home?"

11 Uriah said to David, "The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in tents, and my master Joab and my lord's men are camped in the open fields. How could I go to my house to eat and drink and lie with my wife? As surely as you live, I will not do such a thing!"

12 Then David said to him, "Stay here one more day, and tomorrow I will send you back." So Uriah remained in Jerusalem that day and the next. 13 At David's invitation, he ate and drank with him, and David made him drunk. But in the evening Uriah went out to sleep on his mat among his master's servants; he did not go home.

14 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 15 In it he wrote, "Put Uriah in the front line where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die."

16 So while Joab had the city under siege, he put Uriah at a place where he knew the strongest defenders were. 17 When the men of the city came out and fought against Joab, some of the men in David's army fell; moreover, Uriah the Hittite died.

18 Joab sent David a full account of the battle. 19 He instructed the messenger: "When you have finished giving the king this account of the battle, 20 the king's anger may flare up, and he may ask you, 'Why did you get so close to the city to fight? Didn't you know they would shoot arrows from the wall? 21 Who killed Abimelech son of Jerub-Besheth [b] ? Didn't a woman throw an upper millstone on him from the wall, so that he died in Thebez? Why did you get so close to the wall?' If he asks you this, then say to him, 'Also, your servant Uriah the Hittite is dead.' "

22 The messenger set out, and when he arrived he told David everything Joab had sent him to say. 23 The messenger said to David, "The men overpowered us and came out against us in the open, but we drove them back to the entrance to the city gate. 24 Then the archers shot arrows at your servants from the wall, and some of the king's men died. Moreover, your servant Uriah the Hittite is dead."

25 David told the messenger, "Say this to Joab: 'Don't let this upset you; the sword devours one as well as another. Press the attack against the city and destroy it.' Say this to encourage Joab."

26 When Uriah's wife heard that her husband was dead, she mourned for him. 27 After the time of mourning was over, David had her brought to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son. But the thing David had done displeased the LORD.

Should the bible as a result be viewed as a manual of incest and debauchery because of these passages? What do these passages tell us about the lowly status of women during these times?

And what sense shall we make of the following biblical passages about the sons of Prophet Noah? It has been a long-standing dispute that these passages infer that the black-skinned peoples of Africa are the descendents of Ham, the Canaanites, cursed by Noah to be the eternal "slaves" of their brothers (see Genesis 9:24-27). If this is not true, why haven't these passages been stricken from the bible, as they would have Muslims strike offensive passages from the qur'an? Note also that Noah is reported to have lived 950 YEARS, when the average life expectancy of a human today is about 75 years. I don't hear anyone challenging the validity of this claim.

The Sons of Noah (NIV) Genesis 9:18-28

18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) 19 These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the earth.

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded [a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness.

24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,
"Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers."

26 He also said,
"Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem. [b]

27 May God extend the territory of Japheth [c] ;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be his [d] slave."

28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. 29 Altogether, Noah lived 950 years, and then he died.

My beloveds, I give these few passages to you as an example of the deception, dishonesty, and twisted purpose of those who attack you here, who spend all of their energies and exhaust their knowledge and resources attacking Muslims and what we believe, without looking at what they claim to believe themselves.

May God the Creator grant you peace and mercy and forgiveness of your sins. Salutations of peace to Muhammad and all the prophets and companions of heaven.

templar

I think though Europe is fighting back in its own way.
For example this week the French brought in laws to curb immigration. Which is significant; as before you could immigrate to France if you had a family member - who was French. This would have meant that a significant portion of all of the Islamic North African population would eventually have been welcomed.

The Islamic communities hold to a tradition which, forces the girls to marry, uneducated relatives from North Africa, possibly in an exchange for some sort of financial gain. With all good intentions the new guy comes to Europe with the attitude of 'I - make - good - job - in - your - country', doesn't know how to speak the language and many times isn't interested. Has skills which are not relevant to a modern society and shows little interest in education. And as Islamic law dictates this 'new guy' becomes the head of the household, of a family which will most likely to remain in poverty for another generation.

After the riots last year of young North Africans males and I suppose with everything else that is going on – the French decided to put a stop to it.

Now if you want to gain residency in France, you will need to have a skill which that country needs. Engineers, computer experts and nurses are some of the new citizens which France is looking to welcome in the future. And family ties to French citizens will no longer be given the same consideration.

In Europe we are being inundated with Islamic people who are coming to Europe as economic migrants, and at the same time are also demanding that everyone of every other religious conviction - come under their rules and laws.

We can turn on the news - regularly and see pictures of Moroccans dead on the shores of Spain, who have drowned because they wanted a better life. How is it then, that a group of Moroccans can then develop so much arrogance that they can plant bombs on a passenger train – in a place like Spain?

In Europe Islamic people are creating their own bad karma; they think that they are being clever. But the European law makers are just going to use the laws against them. Now its, oh, you can't wear your Hijab to school or no, you can't build that Mosque - right there. In some areas in Europe they are trying to prevent the Islamic women for wearing - the all black - up to the eyes- attire, by fining them, like a parking ticket.

Personally I find this attire disturbing; a few years ago, you never saw Islamic women dressed in this way.

The Muslims in Europe are going to have to take some of the responsibility for what they are doing.

The tide is turning against them in subtle ways. In Denmark, citizens are not allowed to marry foreign nationals until the age of 25??! Without a doubt a law designed to curb the population growth of its newest citizens.

I feel that in Europe in the future, immigration will be a lot stricter, so that the Muslims who are here will be sectioned off from the influences of their original populations and better integrated in to the wider society.

The party, for the most part is definitely over. The idea – of marrying educated Muslim girls off to, uneducated sheep/goat herders and bringing them to live in Europe is nearing its end.

The Muslims are acting like the spoilt child, they have come to Europe, most have never had it so good, while their fellow countrymen are dying to cross, [there were an est. 900,000 illegal attempts to gain entry into Europe last year] even so, they are behaving in an unruly manner.
The Muslims are going to be moderated, both religiously [Imams will be regulated and a Europeanized version of Islam will be practiced] and socially, whether they want to be or not. That is if they expect to continue living in Europe.