Rumsfeld: we must prevent the rise of a "global extremist Islamic empire."

Wait just a cotton pickin minute! Except for the extremist part -- this makes sense!

Hey Don! Are you feeling okay ???

perhaps ol Rummie read Robert's book after all! it would be great for the rest of civilized world, ie Europe would join in and battle islamic scumbags!

The MSM has long maligned Rummy boy. And I suspect its partly because of the man's competence, un-PC views worn on the sleeve and clear headed thought backed by a capacity for action.
Well, actually what scares the media sh*tless about Rummy, Cheney etc is their seeming immunity to media opinion.... These guys don't care what DC media thinks and that stinks in the MSM ballroom...

>Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld urged America's allies to increase their military spending to prevent the rise of a "global extremist Islamic empire."...

And the North American weapons makers celebrate!!!

I told you so.

CD 'Bar' Baric

Almost there. The only thing extreme about this vision of a global Islamic Empire is the amount of awareness that must be stimulated in the collective non-Muslim consiousness. The revival of the caliphate and subjugation of the non-Muslim populations around the globe is not an extreme concept to the Muslim man-in-the-street, never has been, never will be. It is just run of the mill, ordinary, ho-hum, daily thought process that every Muslim engages in every day. It is the universal aspiration of the mainstream adherents of the Islamic ideology. It is the preoccupation of more than a billion people. The irony is that they do not hide it. The non-Muslim world has simply chosen not to believe it. Well believe it folks. They mean what they say and they say that you and your families must submit or die. So what are you going to do about it? I'm perfecting my 2nd Amendment skills.

It is good to hear someone in power actually call this a crisis and to call for actions all over the World, most people coddle the words they use so as to not offend the mooslems but Rumsfield called it what it truly is...

"They seek to take over governments from North Africa to Southeast Asia and to re-establish a caliphate they hope, one day, will include every continent," he said. "They have designed and distributed a map where national borders are erased and replaced by a global extremist Islamic empire."

When the rest of the world wakes up and heeds the call then we can put islam in its place and keep it there.

"And the North American weapons makers celebrate!!!"

--posted by blazar-jet

Blazar-jet is more worried that some defense companies might make some money than he is that western civilization might be destroyed.

In a hostile world, defense is a necessity, as recent events have illustrated. Those who choose to contribute to defense should not be slandered with gratuitous slurs. They are, after all, fellow citizens, dedicated and honest, for the most part, who have children to feed and clothe and mortgages to pay.

North American weapons makers (and all wespons makers) compete in a tiny market relative to other economic spheres. Weapons contracts generally are for very small production runs (therefore inherently inefficient and unprofitable)under contracts continually subject to sudden and capricious cancellation at political whim. Nobody makes a lot of money in defense.

You need to stop drinking the Kool-Aide, blazar-jet.

I just heard breaking news on CNN that the mastermind of the U.S.S. Cole bombing has escaped prison along with several others.

If this administration wanted to really fight the Islamic scourge, they would BAN all Muslim immigration to America. Cheap, it costs us nothing, and you will do more to secure America than all the bombs in our arsenal.

Colonies declare independence. Musket makers celebrate. Told you so.

Romans move on Gaul. Swordsmiths celebrate. Told you so.

/crazy talk

I just heard breaking news on CNN that the mastermind of the U.S.S. Cole bombing has escaped prison along with several others.

Posted by: kafira

Yes, I heard that too, Kafira. What a surprise, seems their jails are the easiest in the world to escape from.

I just heard breaking news on CNN that the mastermind of the U.S.S. Cole bombing has escaped prison along with several others.

Posted by: kafira

Yes, I heard that too, Kafira. What a surprise, seems their jails are the easiest in the world to escape from.

Sorry about the double post, finger twitch.

Sooner, rather than later, the West is going to have to make a big statement to curb the threat of ideological Islamic expansion throughout the world. Iran may well be the trigger and a suitable target for this statement. If prevarication over Iranian nuclear development continues as seems the most likely scenario thereby giving them time to develop their bomb then the Israelis will, without any doubt, take whatever steps they consider necessary to protect their state. They will have my support.

It does not seem possible to negotiate in any meaningful way with these fundamentalists and I urge the moderate and educated people of Iran and of other likeminded autocracies in the mid eat to assert their rights by taking control of their governments. Not to do so could spell total disaster for them. One thing is certain, the West will not tolerate such a powerful weapon being held by such an openly aggressive regime and although the consequences for us all would be far from pleasant, we cannot continue to live under a constant threat of terrorism. We have to think the unthinkable.

"We could choose to pretend, as some suggest, that the enemy is not at our doorstep." -- Rumsfeld

[Islam] -- "A Noble Religion" -- Bush

Rummy, please have a talk with your boss.

Wow a Federal official used the word Caliphate without any sarcasm! Now if the rest of America only knew what a caliphate was.

"We could choose to pretend, as some suggest, that the enemy is not at our doorstep. We could choose to believe, as some contend, that the threat is exaggerated."

Hey Rummy, they're not at our doorstep, mate....They're inside...posing as Muslim rights groups, wonky.

Can't see the forest thru the trees, ya?

Rumsfield is a stright shooter who is not afraid to address the real threat that Islam poses to the west.

Using military intervention to confront Iran is certainly on the table of options about how to confront Iran's bellicose attitude towards developing nuclear weapons.

Military intervention may be the only way to deal with a Islamist leader who wants to provoke Israel and the west.

Iran supports Hezbollah and it terrorist activities against Israel. Iran has also funded Islamic movements in Europe (Bosnia). Wake up Europeans!

It is too bad that President Clinton was such a weak president in dealing with the Iranians. Hopefully, Secretary Rumsfield and President Bush will lead the U.S. down a better path in dealing with Iran.

Read this:
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

Where are all the politically correct muslim apologists now?

Where did they all go? When I've done my parrot act calling for deportation of all muslims from the west and the banning of Islam as a political ideaology akin to naziism, I get roundly trashed from those who think that secular somber-sounding "moderation" is the answer to everything.

1.3 billion muslims. I'm still waiting for the "majority" of the "moderate" muslims (that's at least 650MILLION muslims) to generate 10s of THOUSANDS of stories about how pissed they are at a "radical few" who have "hijacked" their "peaceful" and "noble" "religion."

Still waiting... hello? "Moderates"? We know you're out there! Along with Santy Claus, unicorns, the tooth fairy, little green martians, jackalopes...

"The struggle ahead promises to be a long war that will cause us all to recalibrate our strategies, perhaps further adjust our institutions, and certainly work closely together"--- from Rumsfeld's remark above

Yes, let's "recalibrate our strategies."
This means, right now, articulated or quitely, for the countries of the Western world to start

1) by ending all migration from Muslim countries to the Infidel world, and persuading neighbors to do as well (Quebec, for example, needs to stop favoring "francophone" maghrebins, for this will make it less rather than more attractive for potential Christian immigrants from West Africa (e.g. Togo, Senegal) and Lebanon (the Maronites and others) trying to flee from the menace of Islam, not to mention all those potential immigrants from France who, like the outspoken writer Maurice Dantec, are leaving France because of the Muslim invasion, and what it is doing, has done, to the quality of French life and French freedoms.

2) to stop all Jizyah -- foreign aid -- to Muslim peoples and polities, in the belief that this will somehow buy goodwill. That is exactly the theory behind the original, formal Jizyah -- pay it to your Muslim masters, and they will leave you alone, will not harm you, will continue to treat you as "protected peoples." But in this case, aid to Egypt, to Pakistan, to the shock-troops of the Lesser Jihad against Israel (and the Maronites as well), the "Palestinians" -- do not buy "protection" but help to keep all the Arabs and Muslims unblessed by Allah with the accident of geology, alive and well, and able to spend their time buying arms (Egypt being the third largest buyer of foreign arms in 2004, after China and India --why?), and instead of working, march around with kalashnikovs and black balaklavas, the "Palestinian" version of those dishdasha-and-dagger warchants of the desert Arabs of Saudi Arabia.

3) Leave Iraq, become unstuck from the Iraq tarbaby, and end that futile dream about the benefits of "democracy" (so narrowly and shallowly defined) in somehow defanging the hostility of Arab regimes. "Democracy" is not on the march, but where it is on the march, it means only more, not less Islam, because in every Muslim society, the primitives outnumber the advanced, and the handful of Allawis, Chalabis, and Makiyas, the products in the first place of privileged backgrounds and schooling, and by ties to that Baghdad (somewhat exaggerated) "elite" with its links to the old order that prevailed before the 1958 coup of Qassem, and above all, with the experience of living for many decades in the non-Muslim West, where one could see things, interpret things, understand things, in a way simply not possible if one were to have remained confined within the limited world of a Muslim country, a Muslim society. For, as not one of these people dares to admit publicly, or perhaps even privately, confiding in his own soul, Islam's Total Explanation of the Universe, and Complete Regulation of Life, is very largely the cause of the distempers, moral and intellectual, that in turn explain the social, economic, and political failures of Muslim polities and peoples, and will continue to do so. Ataturk recognized this, and did what he could, though he substituted another mythology to replace that of Islam. It is easier for non-Arabs to make such a substition (a cult of Cyrus, Daris, the wonders of Persepolis, might do the same for Iran should Iranians not merely overthrow the "Islamic Republic" but also, some of them, to rethink the charms and rightness of Islam, that could be depicted, in truth, as an Arab gift that turned out to be a poisoned chalice).

Let the ethnic and above all sectarian fissures within Iraq work to the advantage of Infidels, by exposing, and increasing, the divisions within Islam. Do not deplore the possibilities of conflict between Shi'a and Sunni, Arab and Kurd. No need to encourage them; merely cease to work so hard to discourage them. They are there, they are long-standing, and predate the existence of the United States by about a thousand years, so no need to worry about being blamed (oh, the blame will be placed on the Americans for whatever happens in Iraq, but that's okay, for those who are capable of thought will be able to see that those ethnic and sectarian divisions were neither caused by, nor exacerbated by, the Americans -- unless of course the initial overthrow of a Sunni Arab despot is regarded as the fons et origo of the Shi'a ascendancy, and of a possible Kurdish state, and that puts critics in the position of defending the permanent murderousness of Saddam Hussein. Not exactly a tenable position).

Those three things --

1) ending Muslim migration to Infidel lands, which Muslims consider Dar al-Harb, and thus they are settling behind what they regard as enemy lines. An ending of migration would also signal to Muslims already present that the tolerance for outright disloyalty to the Infidel nation-state has come to an end, and that removal of threats to the way of life and physical security of those Infidels whose countries, after all, are not simply open to all who feel like coming, no matter what their attitudes, or how unlikely it is that they will ever fully accept the legitimacy of the Infidel nation-state and the laws, customs, manners of the locals, will now be routine, rather than extraordinary. This should cause some to change their ways, and lessen their aggression; others to move back to Muslim lands. And the ground will have been prepared for further measures, should those prove necessary -- of the kind the Czechs thought necessary in 1946, in dealing with the Sudeten Germans.

2)ending the Jizyah of foreign aid, which would signal a new, much more realistic attitude by the Infifdel world, no longer content to transfer vast wealth ($60 billiion to the malevolent and corrupt government of Egypt alone) to the Arabs and Muslims on top of the $10 trillion that has gone to them since 1973, and the trillions more that they will continue to receive. Not only would this transfer of responsibility -- from Infidel taxpayers, now being forced by the timidity and muddy thinking of their appeasement-minded leaders, to support Muslims, who are taught to despise and work against all Infidels (the contents of Qur'
an, Hadith, and Sira are quite clear; there is no ambiguity), save Infidels money that should be applied to alternative sources of energy, but such a move would force , and the tens of trilllions more that they will be receiving in the next few decades, no matter what energy policies are put in place which would force oil-less Arabs and Muslims to demand aid from the rich Arabs and Muslims. And that will ultimately cause tension within the Arab and Muslim world, whether the aid is given as demanded, or refused.

3) Ending the squandering -- in every sense -- that the continued American ("Coalition") presence in Iraq demands -- of lives, of money, of materiel, of attention, of morale both civilian and military. In particular, Congress must NOT approve the government's request for another $0120 billion for the Iraq Tarbaby, and the grounds for Congressional refusal should be clearly that Iraq is not the place to deal with the menace of Jihad, or rather, the menace of Jihad can, in Iraq itself, be dealt a blow not by remaining but by going - and no matter how the Administration in its confused and tongue-tied fashion attempts to make the argument otherwise -- there is no real argument otherwise -- the opposition, preferably articulated by a Republican known to be alert to the menace of the Jihad, should stick to its guns.

This is the closest we've come to seeing the unveiled truth put before the world by any leading government official ANYWHERE.

This is a very good sign.

I knew there was a reason I liked Rumsfeld.

Dear One and All:

While I almost agree almost universally with the sentiments expressed in this thread, vis a vis the danger posed by Iran, there seems to be a curious failure to address the reality of the situation:

1. Jihad Watch readers are not representative of the mass of the U.S. citizenry. This country has become fat, lazy, overly tolerant, overly indulged and unwilling to engage in any sustained sacrifice. We are more than "addicted" to fossil fuels; our whole economy is dependent upon them.

2. To truly do what is necessary, the government would immediately have to reinstate the draft. Immediately, as there is very little time to lose. I fear that would be politically impossible.

3. The US is so divided politically, that the Republicans and Democrats couldn't even agree what to have for dinner, much less global strategy.

4. Political correctness about the "religion of peace" is still there, and enormous numbers of PC morons buy it--hook, line and sinker.

5. This is not the same America that fought Nazi and Imperial Japanese fascism and communism. Not even close. Further, we have opened our country to hordes of unskilled Mestizos who, while mostly earnest in their desire to make a buck, don't give a rat's ass about U.S. culture, history, its founders, or how freedom is preserved.

6. We don't even have the will to protect our borders.

7. The majority of Americans wants quick fixes and has no stomach for the difficult job of regime change. We have lost a little over 2,000 troops in 3 years in an extremely vital conflict, many of them non-combat related, and people decry the loss. We lost hundreds of thousands of people in WWI, WWII, and this conflict is equally grave and vital.

8. The average American Joe is far more interested in the point spread on the Super Bowl than understanding anything about Islam or geopolitics.

9. The average American screams bloody murder when gasoline get to $3.00 a gallon. If we had the will to do what is necessary, gas could be over $7 per gallon indefinitely, and perhaps worse.

10. No, it's going to take another "incident," far worse than 9-11 to shake this nation of spoiled whiners out of their torpor. And even then, believe it or not, there will be a sizeable number of people who would rather succumb to dhimmitude rather than risk deprivation or uncertainty.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but just read your average newspaper or poll your "average" American. For God's sake, John Kerry came close to being commander-in-chief last time! What does that tell you?

I've been emailing these guys at the top with the words "Imperialistic Islam" and "Restored Caliphate" for over a year now... maybe somebody actually reads this stuff?

The scales are falling from their eyes.

Now if he could get the "good cop" Bush to stop using words like "noble" about the revenge fantasies of a pedophile warlord, we might be getting there.

John McCain, along with Rumsfeld, is using the same language, and appears to be grasping the same truth:

-that the Islamic "Crescades" (their original version of the Crusades, which were in desperate response to globally-hungering Islamic Imperialism) never stopped.

Meanwhile, can't we give them Jimmy "Burqa Boy" Carter and Bill "Quisling" Clinton as hostages to satisfy the calls on "the Muslim street" for the noble Danish cartoonists to be "beheaded" and the rest of us to be "exterminated"?

I'd love to see those two chained together in a Yemini prison (the same one where one of the U.S.S. Cole bombers has just "escaped") waiting for us to ransom them.

(Iceskating in hell would happen first.)

I'm going out for a bottle of good haram champagne to celebrtate this breakthrough in the p.c. chains that have held back those in the upper reaches of government, until now, from discussing the true nature of the Koranically-fueled threat to the free world!

Stalin, Mao and Hitler had nothing on Mohammad (pb&j).

Cheers to the brave Danes!

And cheers to all of the brave people in France, The Netherlands, Norway, Italy, Germany, Spain and the rest of the waking Continent!

The tide has turned!

One correction to my last post, WWI was not a vital conflict. In fact, to this day, I haven't found anyone who could adequately explain what the rationale of that war was.

Until such time that Rumsfeld identifies the real enemy, Moslems, he pissing in the wind.

Extremism indeed.

I just finished watching A&E's Flight 93 and now I'm mad all over again.

Friggin' Muslims.

Kill 'em. Kill 'em all.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled, more moderate viewpoint.....

That was poetic.

Rumsfeld, today we are all your troops.

Matt,

Your post of 1:48 pm is, sadly, full of truths that no one addresses. We are a nation divided and MORE multiculturism is certainly going to do nothing to improve that.

A number of people on this board have long maintained that a lot more Americans are going to have to die before we get any semblence of unanimity in this country, and I am one of them.

What a shame.

Matt your post is depressing as I tend to be a bit idealistic when it comes to the US. I like to think that the US will get us out of trouble again and if need be, I will one day be able to emigrate and find refuge in the US... but I have to admit that you have the same problems as we have in France: left wing press, PC, indifference, dhimmis... same actors, same issues. However, it seems that you also have a right wing press which we do not have in France anymore. And in France, we have a lot of communists who block almost everything, almost every attempt to reform the economy, we have strikes all the time, the highest taxes - you could not even imagine-, so much taxes the rich people leave France, and in France it is a crime to say "To earn money, one must work !"

In France there are also many people like me who are fed up with PC, with the communists and left wing press and lies. France is divided into two camps and indeed, they would not even agree about what to have for dinner, as you say. It is so true there was a successful book a few years ago, written by an economist, called "The war between the two France". The France which goes forwards, the France which refuses to change (communist trade unions, etc).

I don't know what to think about the present American society as I don't know the US well enough. But I still believe the US will fight against fascism as it has always done, and with the US, the French people who have not gone totally mad.

Hey joiesauvage,
Just as my fathers before me in the 1st & 2nd WW's, I will do the same to protect Western Europe. If you all fall..as does the USA.

Prior Army & STILL capable,
BC

I read Hugh's stuff...

"1. Jihad Watch readers are not representative of the mass of the U.S. citizenry. This country has become fat, lazy, overly tolerant, overly indulged and unwilling to engage in any sustained sacrifice. We are more than "addicted" to fossil fuels; our whole economy is dependent upon them."

-Matt

I agree that what is at stake is our Western Civilization because of the Moslems, especially in "Western" Europe. Moreover, I agree with you your other points. However, if you are suggesting that we are "too tolerant" towards people of other races, or gays and lesbians, I disagree vehemently. Just what kind of tolerance do you want to do away with in this fight with Islam?

"Hey joiesauvage,
Just as my fathers before me in the 1st & 2nd WW's, I will do the same to protect Western Europe. If you all fall..as does the USA".

Then we will fight together.

More Disgorgement from the St. Petersburg Times Vomitorium:
Perspective – 2/5/06 (No Times link provided)
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“What Would Mohammed Do?” (Bedtime stories by Ibrahim Hooper)

...Muslims are taught the tradition of the woman who would regularly throw trash on the prophet as he walked down a particular path. The prophet never responded in kind to the woman's abuse. Instead, when she one day failed to attack him, he went to her home to inquire about her condition.
In another tradition, the prophet was offered the opportunity to have God punish the people of a town near Mecca who refused the message of Islam and attacked him with stones. Again, the prophet did not choose to respond in kind to the abuse.
A companion of the prophet noted his forgiving disposition. He said: "I served the prophet for 10 years, and he never said uf (a word indicating impatience).

Even when the prophet was in a position of power, he chose the path of kindness and reconciliation. When he returned to Mecca after years of exile and personal attacks, he did not take revenge on the people of the city, but instead offered a general amnesty.
The Koran also says: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knows best who have strayed from His Path and who receive guidance.
Another verse tells the prophet to "show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant."
These are the examples that Muslims should follow as they express justifiable concern at the publication of the cartoons. This unfortunate episode can be used as learning, opportunity for people of all faiths who sincerely wish to know more about Islam and Muslims. It can also be viewed as a "teaching moment" for Muslims who want to exemplify the prophet's teachings through the example of their good character and dignified behavior in the face of provocation and abuse.

Ibrahim Hooper Is national communications director for the Washington based Council on American Islamic Relations, a civil liberties group.

_________

Adding insult to injury, directly above Hooper's hallucinations is another Times freak show article titled "the forgotten nuclear outlaws," suggesting some moral equivalency between the U.S. and Iran.

Send help.

Yep. I'm one of those saying that several more 9/11s are required to shift the country.

We have two enemies. One needs to be defeated before the other (Islam) can be addressed.

First enemy: Political Correctness. It is a disease that instills fear into politics. It is the titanic barrier that prevents us from naming islam as the enemey. We have been PC-whipped into denying at every turn that the war we are in is not a religious war. Yet our enemy has never claimed that it is anything else!

Second enemy: All of Islam. Islam is a political murder cult. It needs to be viewed in the entire context of its reach. It is a political system that merges rule with religion. It cannot co-exist with any other system.

IN AMERICA, our own "moderates" held up by the media as the "perfect" muslims, have stated over and over and over that the constitution needs to be replaced with sharia law.

THOSE ARE OUR "MODERATES"!

Deportation is the only humane solution. To get to that point, the innocent death toll of children will need to exceed 20,000. Then we'll see the shift. Even then, the super-hardcore left will blame the right, and not the muslims.

Given that a majority of Americans polled support an attack on Iran, I think Matt is underestimating the average Joe.

"Deportation is the only humane solution. To get to that point, the innocent death toll of children will need to exceed 20,000. Then we'll see the shift. Even then, the super-hardcore left will blame the right, and not the muslims."

-Mussolini

We are not even able to deport an estimate 10 million illegal aliens in the US, and you propose deporting law abiding Moslems?

I agree with the threat that Islam poses, but do not propose such draconian solutions. It is also not certain that a schism will not develop inside the Moslem religion.

Do not be so quick to trample on my constitution as if it were a potato sack. If you want to stop FUTURE Moslem immigration ok, I'm fine with that as it is consitutional. If you want to deport people with links to terrorism, fine, that too is ok. Be careful not to live up to your name, Mussolini. Do we also deport Moslems that were born here? Come on now.

"Deportation is the only humane solution. To get to that point, the innocent death toll of children will need to exceed 20,000".

Mussolini:

"Deportation" is not the solution (especially in the US where I don't think you have many Muslims)The solution is to stop or to considerably decrease immigration (in Europe, we can't afford it anymore, anyway) and to stand by our values, claim what our values are and imitate people like Robert Spencer who are doing an excellent job at informing people. The solution is to resist the intimidations any time we can. Concerning the Prophet's cartoons, we did not really do that and it is a shame.

The solution is to vote for people who will have the balls to change things, and in France, that could be done as early as 2007.

Don't forget that people are not in cause. Islamism is a TOTALITARISM = a SYSTEM. People repeat what they are taught. Let us teach them what our values are, and let us show them that we will defend our values and that we DO NOT WANT Islam law to replace our civilised, secular laws.

John Sobieski posted: If this administration wanted to really fight the Islamic scourge, they would BAN all Muslim immigration to America. Cheap, it costs us nothing, and you will do more to secure America than all the bombs in our arsenal.

Totally agree.

I hope that when Rumsfeld said, "The struggle ahead promises to be a long war that will cause us all to recalibrate our strategies, perhaps further adjust our institutions, and certainly work closely together,", he refers to changes in immigration policy as well.

It all sounds like World War 3 to me.

Zeno posted: [Islam] -- "A Noble Religion" -- Bush

Perhaps he meant, Islam - A Nobel religion, the religion of dynamite.

"Let us teach them what our values are, and let us show them that we will defend our values and that we DO NOT WANT Islam law to replace our civilized, secular laws."

-Joiesauvage

Exactly. Islam is the enemy, on that we agree. However, there are many who simply want to take away all of our hard earned rights since they disliked them anyway. The war with Islam is the perfect excuse to do so. I don't know if Mussolini is in that group or not. I will allow him to state his position. Many people want to replace Islam with a different "European" kind of totalitarianism. We remember very well from the Europe of centuries ago (or even 60 years ago). I don't want either kind, thank you.

Mussolini, I don't know why you chose to use such a name, but I will tell you that I had several members of my extended families that served on the wrong side in the war, and not in Italy. I am deeply ashamed of it. There is nothing that I can do to rewrite the history. If I there is anything that I can NOW on this earth, I CAN beg forgiveness to the Jews, Poles and many others for what my relatives did to them; the countless innocents killed to the murderous fascism of Europe. I can also support Israel.

for those who have not seen images of the muslim rage across the world, here is a link to a little video by the French Newspaper "L'Express". The video is less PC than usual as it shows the anger of the crowds all around the world. No need to understand French, the images are enough !

javascript:ftvlaunch(203118,3,'lexpress');

sorry not sure my link works... rather go to

http://www.lexpress.fr/info/

and click on

"VIDEO - La colère musulmane fait le tour du monde"

in the "CARICATURES DE MAHOMET" chapter.

Profitsbeard: "Now if he could get the 'good cop' Bush to stop using words like 'noble' about the revenge fantasies of a pedophile warlord, we might be getting there."

I cringed when President Bush used that noble word when describing Islam in his last State of the Union address this week.

I also thought Bush held a very soft tone when addressing the dilemma of Iran in his State of the Union address. I was disappointed.

Chavez is threatening to stop oil shipments to the US. Anyone think that Iran and Chavez are acting as partners?

Yes, Islam is imperialistic, dangerous, and blasphemous. But I'm not for a major US committment to remake it; nor am I for a new front in Iran. While a lot of Iran may hate the mollahs, they'll probably rally around the devils they know, and the USA, should it inviade, could end up like Japan in China between 1931-45 (bogged down in an unwinnable situation).

Left to its own devices, the Islamic world is its own dar-al-harb (pun intentional), where sect, tribe, nation, and political faction will be at each others' throats in the absence of a common enemy. The so-called "rightly guided" Caliphs were all murdered by their associates. The same thing will happen to many an Islamic revolutionary.

"1. Jihad Watch readers are not representative of the mass of the U.S. citizenry. This country has become fat, lazy, overly tolerant, overly indulged and unwilling to engage in any sustained sacrifice. We are more than "addicted" to fossil fuels; our whole economy is dependent upon them."

+++You obviously have never been on the yahoo world boards. It's like a war zone and let me tell you the anti-muslim ire is rapidly rising.

There is always hope. It's the one thing no one has figured out how to kill yet. Babylon 5

We can count on the muslims to keep the pot simmering and for the world tolerance of muslims to continue going down hill.

Nothing we could have done or said would have gotten the truth out about muslims better or faster than their recent actions.

Hello all and Assalam-a-laikum,

You may as well learn some of the local lingo to be. First of all it was only me saying that the Islamisation of Amrika is only a matter of time...now you are all saying it.

Islam is gonna sneak into Amrika "under the radar". You people are gonna talk about...Rummy will be out of office ...the democrats will be in...the oil price will rise and ofcourse all will want to be paly paly with the muslims.

The lax initatives of teh democrat will allow Islam to slip in almost unnoticed to the greater Amrikan public.

Voices like Isabella, American and Granny will be there but dimming. Matt is right on the money (like I have been for the past 2 years) It's kinda like a dimmer switch....turn it anti-clockwisw and you see democracy fading and it is becoming darker in the country.

Turn it clockwisw and you see increasing light....Islam will be upon us all. Amrika will savour the fruits of Islam like I am doing so in Pak. Once Amrika turns any smaller and weaker others will turn like a pack of cards in suit (pun intented).

Amrikans will convert to the point that within 4 decades a muslim president will be in the white house...and that is only one step away from the caliphate being in the white house.

The 64 trillion question is ....has Amrika got the will to stop it?

"Is a draft such a bad thing?"

First, we have to accomplish the impossible; get Congress to actually do their Constitutional duty and declare war instead of going to the UN.

Trouble is -- no one in Congress really believes in the sovereignty of the United States; if they do -- the keep their mouths shut.

Have a draft to destroy a dangerous enemy is one thing; supplying bodies to keep Bectal prosperous is another.

"Hello all and Assalam-a-laikum"

"Amrika will savour the fruits of Islam like I am doing so in Pak."

Shove it Muslim.

Naseem: " The 64 trillion question is ....has Amrika got the will to stop it?"

You obviously don't much about America.

First, learn how to spell America you uneducated Muslim.

Second, you are most definitely wrong in believing that America will savor the fruits of your death cult.

I don't see any fruit in Islam.

I see decayed and moldy religious teachings that poisons the soul and destroys whatever culture it comes into contact with.

Naseem, if you are a woman, how does a woman "savor the fruits in Islam"????

"You may as well learn some of the local lingo to be"

Yeah, well in our "local lingo" you are what is known as a "first-class bitch".

"Amrikans will convert to the point that within 4 decades a muslim president will be in the white house...and that is only one step away from the caliphate being in the white house."

Calm down and take your meds. Thats a good girl. Sorry, honey, it ain"t gonna play that way. Besides, we have your number,poseur.

Got my blue kerchief, but now I'm thinking that maybe a bumper sticker that reads "DON'T MESS WITH THE U.S. would be nice.

Italian priest Andrea Santoro, 59, was shot twice in the entrance of the Santa Maria Catholic Church in the northern city of Trabzon after Sunday mass, with the Vatican ambassador to Turkey saying the gunman shouted "God is great" as he fired his pistol.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/060205/1/3ygoh.html

Lovely.

The average American-- at least blue-collar workers, know islam is sick.

You'all always talking about PC, do you even know what it is? Where it comes from?
How you gonna fight it if you don't know that???

Hint:
http://www.jcn.com/manifestos.html

http://www.ahpweb.org/ (A Robert Zinn(communist) article found here)Frankfurt School names turn up too.
What is the Frankfurt School?
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/FrankfurtSchool.html

A critique of humanism:
http://theautonomist.com/autonomist/humanism.html

There is much.much more and it's all tied into psychology. They are trying to create the "New Man".I sh-t you not.

And another forthright article from the DT

In this controversy, Mr Straw has been put to shame by the German home minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, who robustly defended the freedom of newspapers to make their own decisions. "Why should the German government apologise?" he said. "This is an expression of press freedom." In contrast, the British Government's craven response has sent a terrible signal: those who wish to see free expression curtailed need only light a flame, issue a threat and wave an angry fist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/02/05/dl0501.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2006/02/05/ixopinion.html
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A series of letters in the DT showing that some people are catching on

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?menuId=1588&menuItemId=-1&view=DISPLAYCONTENT&grid=P8&targetRule=0

And NOTICE John Dewey was a signator on the 1st humanist manifesto, the "father of American education". Wake the hell up!!!!

More info:
Online book-- Dewey, Carnegie, Rockefeller, and misc. other elitists and Pragmatic brainwashers:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htm

Leftist insanity:
http://members.mountain.net/theanalyticpapers/

A MESSAGE TO YOU DEAR NASEEM (posted previously)

Save your dignity and revert to Hinduism or Buddhism if you need religion. If you have the mental capacity, leave religion entirely. You know in your heart the terrible cruelty your Hindu ancestors suffered at the hands of the Moslems. If you did not know, educate yourself about your own ancestors.

To learn about it, go to:
http://www.historyofjihad.org/
On the left side of the page, click on the Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Unfortunately, you cannot reach that page unless you start at the main site.

You know that Moslems steal Hindu girls every day. You know about forced conversions. Don't deceive yourself anymore. Escape your wretched religion. If you can't show the world that you left Islam due to fear, fine. If nothing else, leave it in your heart because you know it is garbage. Be free and become a human being.

The stuff I'm talking about ain't some fruitcake wild-eyed conspiracy sh-t, it's fricken verifiable facts and observations--- reason and logic says it's indeputible WE ARE BEING TRAINED, LIKE FRICKEN PETS.
How to be niiiice pacified humans!!

Kafir Nonbeliever, Jonathan

Reading Naseem's post indicates that Naseem is not what she purports to be.

Lulu said

perhaps ol Rummie read Robert's book after all!

Or at least he had one of his aides summarize the blurb on the inside cover for him. He got all of it right, except he kept talking about "the enemy" this and "the enemy" that. If he read Robert's book, he missed the part where Robert described the source of violence in Islam (hint: it's the Qur'an and Hadith). If you don't know who the enemy is, you cannot formulate a strategy. Spouting rhetoric is pretty easy, but how about implementing one or two of Hugh's ideas? How about at least naming "the enemy"?

Last week Bush said, "umm, sure" the U.S. supports Israel, and we got all excited that some new policy was in place. But that was soon followed by excuses for why we need to keep supporting the new "government" of the "Palestinians", a.k.a. Hamas.

Talk is cheap. Let us know when some real steps are being taken. Until then, I'll assume this is all just political posturing by an Administration that is on the defensive.

Rumsfeld:

"We could choose to pretend, as some suggest, that the enemy is not at our doorstep. We could choose to believe, as some contend, that the threat is exaggerated.

"But those who would follow such a course must ask: what if they are wrong? What if at this moment, the enemy is counting on being underestimated, counting on being dismissed, and counting on our preoccupation," Rumsfeld said...

Finally someone on Presidnet Bush's staff final has nuts enoegh to start sayig the truth ---------------- that the enemy Islam is at our doorstep and appears to be realizing that only all out war with Islam will save the free world form domination.

Blazar Jet you are a complete idiot and utter fool. You lean so far to the left that you probably refuse to use your right hand. Canada is threatened by Islam as much as the US. You can come to your sense and become part of the solution or face quick and sudden execution by the peace loving Muslims when you try try to make peace with them.

God bless America and her defense industries..for we will take it to them when the war starts.

Texican

It is better to fight and die free than to ever live under Islam.

Freedom or Death.

He who has ears to hear.. let him hear.

READ.
UNDERSTAND.

Jesus.

Naseem, You of all people should hope the US does not get a muslim president or even a muslim majority. Why? Because it would be wahhabi and you know what that means. The whole country would have to rise up and smash your little amaydi group. After all you are not true muslims according to the wahhabi's and they dominate in the US. Your children would surely suffer. But I guess you don't care because your fate doesn't matter as long as the greater cause is met.

witness linked to a story about the Catholic priest in Turkey who was shot to death:

"We believe this brutal murder is an isolated incident," it said. "We hope it will not be repeated"

Yes, this is an isolated incident, and there are only a million or so other isolated incidents just like it in places such as Darfur and Indonesia and Lebanon.

The Turkish officials were also not sure if the gunman, who yelled "Allah Akbar" as he shot the priest, was related in any way to Islam or the furor over comics.

in light of bush's "addiction to oil" speech, the new Rummy speech should be taken at face value - its a serious change in strategy.

but , having said that, it all fits into the PNAC strategy. (project for a new american century - just google for it)

Has anyone seen that great poster - it was circulating right after 9/1 -- an adaptation of a civil defense ad...

It pictured Rumsfeld wearing a Fireman's coat, and wielding a shovel --

The caption read (and please excuse my French...):

"If you fuck with my Country, I will beat your ass with this shovel"

Seeing it, it was the first time I laughed after that vintage Muslim atrocity... I will remember it forever, and be grateful to whomever put it together...

Rumsfeld was at the pentagon on 9/11 and helped the wounded. He knows what's what. It's just a matter of convincing the others. And the public. For that the mainstream press has to get on board. This cartoon row might get them thinking a little but it has not convinced them as you can tell by the lack of coverage.

Matt~ you are right in so many ways, but remember, most wars do not involve the whole society, only a very small portion. Usually only ten percent or less are actually involved. Sometimes as little as 3 percent. As long as it isn't civil war. As long as the majority agree, even if they don't participate. (Gee, just like the ummah.) That's the issue here. Getting awareness. Every night the news revolves around islamic issues anymore. I'm sick of it.

And immigration needs to stop. Let the immigrants stay and fight off the muslim invasion in their countries. As far as moslems that are born in western countries, it's harsh but they are against freedom or will be when they get into a large enough percentage of the population. There will always be a more agressive group pushing the less agressive into a more fundamentalist lifestyle. It has always been so. They or their parents immigrated to get here, let them immigrate back. They already travel back to those countries constantly looking for brides and visiting family and getting immersed in islamic culture for weeks at a time anyway. Deportation would be so much easier on the countries than war. If not 'deport' at least make it uncomfortable. 1492 worked. Spain avoided a civil war. I would not advocate requiring anyone to become Christian or any religion, just no muslim schools or mosques allowed. The religion completely exposed from here on out for the cruel ideology that it is for all to see and understand by both the press and the schools. Mohammed's life exposed, not by the loving 'Koran' Armstrong and her 'leave out all the bad' video by PBS. You can't change people's thinking but you can certainly disallow the practice. Are there communist schools? (well not openly) Are there Nazi schools? (I can't hardly believe how much I have changed since 9/11. I now sound like a nazi myself to my own ears. Survival comes first. Thanks a lot islam.)

Countries need to be Independent. Not just from oil but from all imports. Anything that CAN be produced in country should be required to be produced in the country of use. It would cost more but national security is at stake.

Yemen is complicit.

Naseem is either not what she proclaims or is unable to think for herself. The fruits of islam in Pak are 9,000 police required for her and her female friends to jog without getting killed by the religion of peace. How soon she forgets.

Britain's authorities should be ashamed for not doing something serious about those placard's. No wonder so many muslims are moving there. How many have been deported so far? None? Thought so. They can use it as a place to launch their campaign and NOTHING is done to them. Wonder what the Queen thought? And Charles? Better yet wonder what William thought? He will be the one to suffer.

Remember Amsa bint Marwan
Remember Safiya
Remember the Benes Decree

And remember you can come back from the far right but you can never come back from islam.

Fan-of-Hugh

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/

from http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Kentim, I hear you and I've touched on these issues, but too many people won't take the time to put the puzzle together; they don't think this stuff is relevant to JihadWatch. Oh but it is! The ideological maze that leads some in one direction, others in another, does not converge at a specific point where everyone meet and emerge in perfect harmony. The ideology that one ultimately accepts as legitimate is seldom changed, neither by argument nor plain, simple logic and reality.

These social engineering, imposed utopianism designs have been around for a long time, with many dedicated promoters and die-hard enforcers, and they have had some success. But they didn't snare me, or you, or millions of other potential victims who for some reason, were immune to the entire folly. Yeah, cultural Marxism is a deadly obstruction that inhibits sane, rational thought and action at a critical time. I believe it will ultimately be responsible for millions of preventable deaths. But I think the pragmatists still outnumber the romanticist multiculturalists. I sure hope so.

All the things you complain about will not change unless you figure out the true sources!!

TRUTHFUL PRESS?
IMMIGRATION-BORDERS?
POLITICAL-CORRECTNESS?
LYING, PRAGMATIC POLITICIANS?
PUBLIC SCHOOL INDOCTRINATION CENTERS?
EXPANDING GOVERNMENT INTRUSION/COERCION?

This war has little to do with defending America, and A HELL OF ALOT MORE TO DO WITH THE WORLD SOCIALIST UTOPIA PROJECT.
We won the Cold-War?, my ass.

I know, I know, it's inconcievable... the cognitive dissonance is resolved the easy way, the pacified way, the comfortable way.

Now I realize that Islam is at war with us, and we must pacify/destroy it, but the fact is, there is more to this war than just East vs West. This is about global dominance on BOTH sides. And it's not just influencial dominance, it is the destruction of the nation-state, and the creation of a world government body. That means the USA will cease to exist as articulated in the Constitution. This is World Socialism vs Islamism.
Everbody is comfortable, everybody has enough to eat, everybody has their trivial-pursuits and distractions, everybody has their busy-stressful existence, but guess what? We are losing our freedom right under our complacent-pacified noses.

If you can't see that you're wilfully blind.

ETERNAL VIGILANCE. is almost dead. Anybody want to try to take me to task or refute what I'm saying?-- go for it. The facts and truth is on my side.
For instance:
"The end game of Agenda 21 is global governance pursuant to the Charter of the United Nations. George H.W. Bush said in 1992, "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance." Agenda 21 is intended to transform American political culture. The core philosophical concept behind this transformation is apparent by reference to Article 29, Sec 3 of the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights: "Rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations". The unannounced war being waged inside American government is on individual liberty, reason, and equal justice."
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/ct-1541-Sovietizing_America_How_Sustainable_Development_Crushes_the_Individual.aspx
Nah, you'll just ignore it.

Hi Susanp,
my above post was not directed at you...
Now I'll finish reading it, hehe.

I'm not too impressed with the Pragmatists either,after all, Reagan and Bush1 both collaborated with the Soviet Union. I think it's possible they compromised, that's why the Soviets gave up.

I meant I'd finish reading-your's-.

Kentim:

You bring up very good points. Once the Islam problem is eradicated, then we will fix the world government problem.

America cannot be defeated from outside, this will not happen. It is estimated that 180 million Americans are armed and of the 180 million Americans that are armed a large percent have multiple arms and will never surrender their arms to anyone. Our military is filled with good old boys raised to honor family, country and God and they will not turn aganist America and kill Americans. America will not fall from within, we may have a civil war for our 2nd Ammendment Rights.

Remember: >>>> maintains all of the other freedoms and rights.

America may become a war zone, but America will remain free.

The Texican

It is better to fight and die free than to live under oppression be Islam or world government.

The right to keep and bear arms means freedom for the people and by the people.

Freedom or Death.

Right-on Texican. Live free or die.

I gotta move, I live in a Kerry state, and a big city. My perceptions are a little skewed because of that.

Gonna go back to the "Last Best Place", or Idaho or Wyoming. Oh man, what a difference.

Got my blue kerchief, but now I'm thinking that maybe a bumper sticker that reads "DON'T MESS WITH THE U.S. would be nice.

Posted by: dms

http://www.gadsden.info/

Texican & Kentim-

30.06 or .357?

That's all homegrown Islamic fanatics will be able to wonder should they get too uppity.

They mess with the 1st Amendment, they'll answer to the 2nd.

And Naseem-

As a Muslim woman, your opinion means nothing to a Muslim male, why should it mean anything to me?

Either Naseem is dangerously bipolar or someone else in the household (hubby perhaps?) gets on and uses her moniker while she's doing the cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc.

Kentim, my use of "pragmatist" was not in a philosophical sense, but as a synonym for "practical." Here's what I think: Agenda 21 is mind-boggling but it's a fact, the text readily available to anyone who can tolerate the visceral impact of seeing the unimaginable in black and white.

The UN has been trying to destroy our sovereignty since the 1960's, with the ardent assistance of people like Ted Kennedy (1965 Immigration Act) and many, many other elected politicians and unelected elites, both Democrats and Republicans. The CFR has been a leading player in this diabolical endeavor to abolish our Constitution and demolish the most prosperous and free nation that has ever existed. Why? That's the tough part and I cannot entirely buy the "greed" explanation. I can understand the corrupt, despicable UN's motives; they covet our resources; our wealth; our vast expanse of land, and much more. But why so many American success stories, children of immigrants who have realized the American dream in spades? Why do they wish to deny future generations the same opportunities?

It's all been playing out right under our noses. Another complicit party is the Supreme Court. Eminent domain; open borders; multiculturalism; political correctness; moral/cultural/religious relativity; abortion on demand; destruction of the nuclear family; the destruction of Christianity first, then all organized religion---all of these issues are crucial to the finished product. As is sustainable development, which includes forcing people into the cities and high rise apartment complexes, and seizure of rural areas by the "government" for environmental protection. Some socialist Canadian bitch dreamed up most of this crap back in the seventies.

I may be wrong, but I believe Islam has come along and botched the entire plan; they weren't expecting any interference after the Berlin Wall fell. Multiculturalism turned out to be a failure, much to their chagrin, I'm sure. But they're not giving up on it; the despicable situation in Britain is proof of that. They are hell-bent and determined that incompatible culures will coexist, even if the inevitable conflicts kill half the world's people. That would actually suit them just fine, since controlled population is another goal.

Another glitch in the program is South America; nobody was expecting Chavez to come to power. And this is a BIG glitch indeed. Things are still moving along to some extent, but not as planned. The U.S.public has not been disarmed; the U.S. military is still up and running, and private property rights are being strengthened by the states. Agenda 21 was supposed to be well in place by 2000, wasn't it? The trade agreements were supposed to be in effect long ago but some are still pending. Of course, Bush has signed the agreement with Canada and Mexico that will abolish our borders in four years, unless repealed. He has agreed to "donate" troops and money to the U.N. army, a blatant violation of our Constitution and the U.N. charter. He has pushed for the LOST Treaty, which is inexplicable to me, as insane as leaving our borders wide open for terrorists to walk across. It's like America is being given away to the least worthy, least deserving, most destructive people who have no respect whatsoever for our laws, our culture, our government. It is insanity.

Let's hope we can turn this mess around; I don't think the American people, if they ever start paying attention to how we're being sold out, will let this travesty proceed. I read somewhere that Kennedy and Reagan were the only two presidents in the 20th century who did not support the NWO.

Susanp,

What I just read looks to me like paranoia. Fear of a “New world Order” is Christian psychobabble. Such world “orders”, are made and lost relative to the power structures of the day. Outside of the US, most people hate the US simply because they see the US as the “new world order”. Please note that relative power changes constantly. Right now the US is believed to be at the pinnacle of its power.

This is a web site about Islam. Yet while discussing Islam, you bemoan the "crazy" Supreme Court (which is very conservative) and complain about a "new world order" (as if there was such a thing). What we have now is world DISORDER coupled with heavy doses of Pax Americana. The relative order we have is largely because of American actions. If you are fearful of a world government, don't worry; there will be nothing of the sort. What we have in most countries opposed to American hegemony, not the reverse.

You mention socialism, "PCness", the "loss" of property rights, UN "domination" (the completely impotent organization that we recently circumvented that you so fear), the idiot Hugo Chavez, secularism, Bush's immigration policies, some unnamed "socialist bitch" in Canada is all to be added to one large pot and presto, one apocalyptic creation: radical Islam.

Kindly reconsider your arguments and explain how any of them relate to Islam or for that matter, anything.

Good evening my friends,

Let's call Naseem what Naseem is; a Muslim man masquerading as the kinder, gentler side of Islam in the clothing of a woman. He doesn't fool us anymore. Too many things he's said in the past don't match up. And since when is a Muslim woman "allowed" to do the kind of posting on the Internet that "Miss" Naseem does? As Glenda, the good witch of the west says, "Begone. You have no power here."

The other thing I've noticed about these Muslim trawlers is that they live on wishful thinking. They will tell you all about how you are going under and you don't even know it. The only way my voice will be dimmed is if they shoot me through the head. It may come to that someday. But there will be thousands of people who know what Islam is all about before I go. Actually, the Muslims themselves have been helping me to spread the word all week long. Thanks Naseem!

Remember that when you are playing poker, it's usually the one who has the best poker face that can bluff and win. Since Muslims aren't allowed to play poker, the advantage goes to us.

Big G In TX

I agree with you completely.

All of the TV networks, TV stations and cable companies should be forced to play the destruction of the towers and the burning Pentagon before every program so the TV brain dead Americans can realize that this is what Islam and the Muslims intend for all Americans.

How could any sane person be a follower of the pedophile, child molesting, child raping, wife beating Mohammed the demon unless they are also pedophiles, child molesters, child rapists and wife beaters. This is not "noble" relegion, but a cult of violence and degradation.

Jesus told us not to be taken unaware that the signs would be given to us so we would know when we have to fight for our survival. These signs are here -- the time is now.

Be prepared. Have the food, supplies, arms and ammo that you need to protect your family, country and the free religions.

The war for our freedoms is fastly approaching and it is near.

The Texican

It is better to fight and die free than to ever live under Islam.

No other choice.

Freedom or Death.

I'm wrong about deportation?

No. I don't think so. Deportation is the fastes way of avoiding more than the 20,000 dead children.

You want to coddle the constitution in a time of war (when it has never been coddled) then you are guaranteeing many many more deaths than just 20,000.

Deportation is quick and humane to a people who will kill to destroy democracy. We have to treat them like the political criminals they are. Those who convert to a nice, peaceful religion - like Bhuddism, can remain.

Member of a group? What group? Are you insinuating I have some radical connections because of my name? I use Mussolini because his fascism was anti-communist while avoiding the stain of anti-semitism. They guy brought Italy into the modern era and if Britain hadn't rebuffed his attempts at an allaince in the late 30s, he would have fought against Germany, not with her.

The West has this thick skin that requires tons of innocent lives lost before we act. Islam in America is like gangrene in the body. Left alone, it will kill. Deportation is humane. Would you rather kill them all?

Kafir Nonbeliever

When the war starts with Islam, we do not have to concern ourselves with deporting the Muslesm, but defeating them within our own nation.

Do not fool yourself, the Muslems are armed and their mosques are bunkers built to fight the infidels from. They will kill every non-Muslem that they can.

The war will be bloody with loss of life that will surpass the Civil War.

The war is fastly approaching and it is near.

The Texican

It is better to fight and die free than to ever live under Islam.

Freedom of Death

Texican: " The right to keep and bear arms means freedom for the people and by the people.

Freedom or Death."

It is true that the right to bear arms has its place in society. But it is also true that there are also problems that go along with the right to bear arms, namely a higher murder rate in comparison to most countries in Europe.

It was strange living in Ireland for one year and witness the police officers on the street carrying no guns on their uniforms, just clubs.

While I lived in Ireland, it was rare to hear about a murder in Ireland.

But I don't want to overlook the fact that Ireland does have its own share of violence in its past history.

Most countries in Europe have witnessed lots of violence in their own history.

Today, many Europeans are downright fearful of being shot when they come tho the U.S. for a vacation or visit. Europeans perceive the U.S to be a violent country and talk gleefully about how safe their own country is in comparison to the U.S.

They also brag about how their own countrymen don't have to possess weapons to feel safe or to bring about justice.

During the Muslim riots in France, there were murders committed. But there was a whole lot more of personal destruction and damage to cars and property.

If the Muslim riots were to take place in Texas instead of France, I am sure that you would find a lot of dead Muslims on the streets who were shot by American citizens bringing justice into their own hands.

Owning a gun to defend oneself is still ingrained in the American approach to justice, especially when the justice system is incapable of restoring justice.

For example, some of the store owners in New Orleans after the hurricane shot at some of the looters. This would never happen in France today or any other European country for that matter.

Since most Frenchmen don't even own guns, the best thing that a Frenchmen could do when faced with a violent Muslim uprising is walk outside with one of their beautiful sharp culinary knives. Not real intimidating!

I heard that the French police were basically incapable of stopping the Muslim rioters.

The rioters calmed down after the French Muslim clerics called out for peace.

Frenchmen need to start buying guns to defend themselves. If they don't buy them now, then they will regret it in the future when there are more Muslim violent riots.

Europeans criticize Americans for being obsessed with guns and yet they are the very ones who need them most.

There is nothing evil or wrong about the right to defend oneself. It is a God given right. We Americans know this and have written it into our American constitution.

Let's call Naseem what Naseem is; a Muslim man masquerading as the kinder, gentler side of Islam in the clothing of a woman. He doesn't fool us anymore. Too many things he's said in the past don't match up. And since when is a Muslim woman "allowed" to do the kind of posting on the Internet that "Miss" Naseem does? As Glenda, the good witch of the west says, "Begone. You have no power here.

I said a couple of weeks ago that Naseem appears to be a kinder, gentler version of the Muslim troll Reza.A troll who was banned from this site two years ago. Still people continue to feed the troll.

Tex,

THE PESKY CONSITUTION

I repeat that I am in favor of changing the current immigration policy to greatly reduce the number of Moslems let it. This is arguably not a violation of the Equal protection clause, as congress needs no justification to change the laws as it sees fit with respect to immigration. Congress’ power there is plenary (full). If there is any terror link whatsoever that can be proven in a court of law, then fine, deport them. Sureveill them, if you have a reason to, with a warrant. Monitor their mosques, fine. But you cannot single out a group of people for complete violation of their rights when they have committed no wrong, whether you like them or not. There is no justification for interning them unless they pose an imminent danger to you. You will have to prove that. However, there is a gray area, which Jose Padilla falls into, which is not yet decided. In the case of Padilla, who admitted he wanted to carry out attacks against the US, but no evidence was obtained, he was kept in prison without habeas corpus rights. Padilla did pose a threat since he had indicated that he would engage in terrorism. That is not the situation presented when a person is simply a Moslem and has done no wrong.

With respect to law abiding Moslems who are here as lawful permanent residents or US citizens, and have committed no wrong, NO. You may not do anything to them. That is when I must stop anyone from breaching the rights of the innocent.

JUST WHAT KIND OF WAR IS THIS ANYWAY

I don't doubt that a few Moslems in the US are storing weapons, but I think in light of post 9/11 surveillance, few would dare store many. Moreover, their numbers in the US are simply far too small to cause disturbances on the scale you imply.

I am not suggesting they are not a threat. Islam is indeed a threat. However, the "war" with Islam will not always be a firing war. I am not suggesting that it will always be a "cold" war - far from it, it's just that it may at times be white hot. However, generally, it will not be the kind of war you might think it will be. It will resemble peace more often than it does war. Remember, if terror on a truly grand scale continues, Moslem countries will be attacked with such ferocity (massive destruction), terror will stop for a long while, perhaps forever.

Some of the battles will take place on the battlefield; some will be on the streets, some of it in academia and some in the media. The "war" presently is about containment and control of terror, but the broader war will be inside of Islam itself. It will inevitably lead to a schism within Islam itself. Look at Hamas. How long before Palestinians fight one another when they see Hamas’ failure? From the humiliation of repeated defeats around the world, a counter movement will likely be born sooner or later. However, a reformation movement is most likely to begin in a relatively (by Moslem standards) more advanced country, like Iran. While we tap out foot waiting for the great schism, we will continue to contain these countries, and frustrate them. Until some kind of reformation occurs in the Moslem world, we will continuously be at war with Islam's wing of militancy, but not with all Moslems per se. You cannot and do not go to war with a billion people. But the reformation I am mentioning, if it happens, might not even happen in our lifetimes. So to us, we will likely see this "war" as a continuous war on terror. Last, the battleground is likely to be Europe and the ME, not North America.

"the broader war will be inside of Islam itself. It will inevitably lead to a schism within Islam itself. Look at Hamas. How long before Palestinians fight one another when they see Hamas’ failure?"

Islam has had internecine violence since day one, since Mohammed died. Islam will not end just because Muslims break out in battles against each other. Islam has been in states of kaleidoscopic civil war since it began. If Islam had ever been able to rise above its centrifugally internecine tendencies, it could have conquered the world (that goes for the present tense, too).

"The CFR has been a leading player in this diabolical endeavor to abolish our Constitution and demolish the most prosperous and free nation that has ever existed. Why? That's the tough part and I cannot entirely buy the "greed" explanation."

Try "hatred".

The Naseems are a collective of whoever has time to log on and post. Some can spell, some cannot. Some write better English than others. You need a good memory to be a good liar. The Naseems have very poor memories, other than for the old days in Andalucia.
The original persona, the housewife and mother of Lahore may have existed, and may still exist, but she has gone into the east and diminished, and is no longer Naseema.

Hello all and "Assamu-laikum",

The statement says (being a fellow muslim) "how are you"?

Please permit me to clear and clarify a few things here.

1) No one uses my account, only Naseem, the 40+ Ahmadi muslim female. It would be far too dangerous for me to allow others to tamper with what I need to say...not to mention the dangers of being found out.

2) I have no idea who this Reza is, no friend of mine is called by this name.

3) You say no female muslims would be "allowed" to post comments....Gheez am I reading this right...are we back in the 19th centuary now? Why would I not be allowed to comment....I have feelings, opinions....I have protested, I have run/walk a marathon...at the same time I have been cooking & cleaning ....being a mum....travelling to see my son, why is it so unreasonable for me to do these things...you have people like "libbysmom"....ask her...she knows and understands.

4) Kafira said something about being dangerous and bi-polar....that's BS. I put this message up so that *you* are under no illusions of what is round the corner. I savour the "fruits" of Islam everyday...you can read into that what you will!

It is the US and Britain that keep talking about free speech and freedom...about the sacrifices in the past...but the past is the past...you have become lazy and forgotten about these.

Jack Straw should always wear a yellow tie when delivering speeches ....it goes with his personality.

You should have no illusions.."incitement to murder ...is just that"....Waterdragon says that a line in the sand was drawn in the West by publishing the cartoons...

Well an even darker line was drawn by the UK & US ...EVERYBODY now knows just what can be pushed and WHERE.

You have done yourselves no favours....do you think opportunities will come by everyday? Where is the ministerial UK and US solidarity with the Danes and the Germans.

Isabella...Ofcourse nothing like this will happen again ...for a long time....be under no illusion...unless the lifelines are used ....the Calipah will turn up in the white house. You need to toughen up ...like the muslim or face the Calipah...it's up to the administrations....but it's all talk.

Texan talks about 180,000 guns in the US....these will become impotent....after a few "racial/religious" murders your own police will take them off you ...and sling you in jail.

So as nothing much has changed, The next local lingo statement for you to learn is

"Y-laikum-salam" which means...
(to fellow muslim) "why thank you for asking...I'm fine"

Book of Proverbs 9:13 & 11:22

Naseem

Your last post is very educational. Everything you wrote is right, including the fact that our own armed forces will turn on us if we engaged in arbitrary violence.

You are warning us that unless we do something radical, islam will rule the US and the UK, and global islamic rule then becomes inevitable. Quite right and I agree with you.

Please continue your postings.

Naseem posted: It is the US and Britain that keep talking about free speech and freedom...about the sacrifices in the past...but the past is the past...you have become lazy and forgotten about these.

You accuse the West of taking freedoms as if they were a natural product rather then something that was fought for. We have become lazy and forgetful.

Your accusations are right and I get a feeling that your warnings are well meant.

To all

Naseem posted

1. It is the US and Britain that keep talking about free speech and freedom...about the sacrifices in the past...but the past is the past...you have become lazy and forgotten about these.

2. Jack Straw should always wear a yellow tie when delivering speeches ....it goes with his personality.

3. You should have no illusions.."incitement to murder ...is just that"....Waterdragon says that a line in the sand was drawn in the West by publishing the cartoons...

Well an even darker line was drawn by the UK & US ...EVERYBODY now knows just what can be pushed and WHERE.

4. You have done yourselves no favours....do you think opportunities will come by everyday? Where is the ministerial UK and US solidarity with the Danes and the Germans.
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Let us examine these - one paragraph at a time

1. "You have forgotten and become lazy".I detect an accusation rather then satisfaction.

2. Now why should she think that Jack Straw wear a yellow tie unless she considers him a coward? Now we at JW/DW may see him as a coward, but Naseem?

3. These are not the feelings of someone who is satisfied with the outcome, as she regards our response as "dark". "Dark" for whom? Why should Naseem regard it as dark.

4. Opportunities will come by everyday?

Is she happy with the US and UK response? She seems to be disappointed that we have lost an opprtunity that does not come everyday.

She is accusing us why we hav'nt responded in solidarity with the Danes and the Germans.

I may be wrong but this post is telling me that Naseem is agitated that our response to the cartoon affair has been weak, and we have lost an opportunity - to draw a proper line in the sand rather then what Naseem sees as a "dark" line.

"The Moors made no more sorties. When the autumn came and the food began to run short, Boabdil yielded to the clamors of the growing party and asked for terms.
The treaty was drawn up at Churriana, a small village near Granada. on the twenty-eight of November, by Gonsalvo de Cordoba, who spoke Arabic well. The Moors were allowed freedom of worship and the possession of their mosques. Their laws were respected, but their magistrates must submit to the authority of Castile (i.e., NO SHARIA LAW.) They were free to preserve their language and costume. Possession of their property was guaranteed them, and the right to dispose of it as they might see fit...
Such were the magnanimous conditions that Isabel and Fernando offered their vanquished enemies, and the Moors accepted without much hesitation. The date for the formal surrender was fixed at January 2, 1492.

Isabel's eyes, very blue that day, were shining with triumph and joy. All her own struggles and sufferings, all the pains and labors and bloodshed of her kingly ancestors, all the wounds and death of the thousands of Christian knights who had fought so doggedly for the recovery of this sacred soil, all the shame and agony of Christian women and children who had perished befouled in Moorish dungeons--all the mighty epic of Christian Spain was consummated and justified in that glorious moment. The faith of a woman had prevailed."

(From William Thomas Walsh, "The Last Crusader-Isabella of Spain".)

Wow. A woman kicked the Muslims out of Spain. Proof that one Spanish woman has more brains that 100% of Muslim men.

DP111
I would like to think that your response here was the correct one and that I am mistaken in my own.

Kafira Nonbeliever:...and complain about a "new world order" (as if there was such a thing)...

OT, but in response...
The Council on Foreign Relations makes no bones about its desire for a one world gov, and a world constitution based on the UN charter. That is the NWO. A read of its membership list would probably shock you. US presidents have been members. Now why oh why, would the President of the US, and many other gov officials, who swear to uphold the US constitution, belong to a group that wants to trash it, and your freedoms, and replace it with something else. The least that should do is raise a few eyebrows...

I dont have a current membership list, but in the 1994 addition. Bush#1, was a member. Bill Clinton was a member along with Albright and many other gov recognisable names. Membership is for life unless someone is banned for rule infractions.
Clinton is also a member of the Bilderberger group, a powerful world manipulater...

Naseem would tell us what is around the corner...More properly she tells us what she, and millions like her, would 'like' to see around the corner. Thats a mighty big corner, Naseem, and I dont think the Islamic world can go around it. They are already trying and failing most everywhere. Sure Islam can do a lot of damage, but in the end Islam will crumble...

Kafir Nonbeliever said: "You cannot and do not go to war with a billion people."

Really? Did GOD tell you this? Or was this some life truth you dug up in a chest somewhere from a sacred mountain?

Perhaps you need a little perspective.

Ever Palestinian school child learns the following - taken from their textbook:

"...the Palestinian conflict with America and Israel are two branches in the general total global war of Islam against the West and all other religions." - from here.

This is the hatred being taught muslim children. Even in America, in the "moderate" Islam of America, jihad and violence is preached using Saudi dollars.

Now, isn't that war against everyone? In a world of 6bill, doesn't that mean Islam is at war with over 4billion people? And in fact, they are. Almost every single armed conflict in the world right now contains a muslim side. But I thought you said you don't declare war on 1.3bill?

Leaving a democracy-killing element in place just because they have yet to do anything wrong allows for the growth of the democracy-killing attitude.

No, Kaffir Unbeliever. Deportation is not only humane, but the sensible thing to do. Islam is a direct threat to democracy. It cannot ever co-exist with a secular system. Even American "moderate" muslims have said your holy Constitution is shredded and replaced with sharia as soon as they can accomplish it.

Yeah, let's hug them and keep em here. Give them rights.

Their religion falls under the Alien and Sedition Acts. Deportation is LEGAL in this case. Wake up, friend.

We have taken pains, in our politically correct duped fashion, to declare we are not at war with religion. Our enemy has never said it was anything else!

"are we back in the 19th centuary now?" -- That would represent a huge step forward chronologically for the poster in question...

"Texan talks about 180,000 guns in the US....these will become impotent" -- That would be 180,000,000, you itch which rhymes with witch... 3 orders of magnitude -- since several other Muslim troglodytes like to pretend that Muslims invented math, physics, and science -- do you understand how much larger 3 orders of magnitude represents? Can your shrivelled Islam-drenched brain comprehend it? That's one hundred and eighty million GUN LOVERS with multiple guns and plenty of ammo -- I myself have got a bunch of both! -- Let's see the "backlash" if your kind attempts anything remotely like those "riots of disaffected youth" in the USA! We'll show you "disaffected"! We'll show you "backlash". We'll show you the REAL meaning of "Islamophobia" and "anti-Islamic"!

The Muslim has no idea who he's come up against by aiming his Jihad at America... The lesson time after 9/11 has begun to convince the savages that Jihad in America may not have been such a good idea -- and we've barely begun to knuckle down on the knuckleheads. We could be doing so so so much more! And we will if necessary.

The tactics France and Germany have also largely backfired. They had hoped to curry favor with their exploding Muslim populations by sticking it in America's eye -- hoping we'd be hampered and endlessly gummed up in dealing with the Jihadis -- The Europeans hoped to gain by our losses... How strange, how ironic, how amazing that their exploding Muslim populations are now actually exploding! Right there in their midst. All of their pandering, all of their cynical realpolitik, all of their craven ploys have backfired -- as will the tactics of the triumphal fantasists the Muslims...

I'm grateful that we have such a splendid in situ specimen of the Muslim nutcase here at JW!!

What could be better than watching that exemplary Muslim continue to weave her fantasy webs of delusion and empowerment ! It posts the most amazing and intriguing mixture of triumphalism and candor about the toxicity of Islam, all in a highly imperfect and therefore perfect presentation.

Amrika is grateful! JW is grateful. Keep on keeping on, you crazy diamond!

Hi Naseem:

I'm just a little curious: How angry would you get if the folks on this website drew some caricatures of you?

Naseem said

EVERYBODY now knows just what can be pushed and WHERE.

Which I take to mean that France, Denmark, and Jordan printed the cartoons. U.S., Britain, Canada, Australia did not, out of "respect" for Islam. The Muslims rioted, and the U.S. etc. backed down.

You have done yourselves no favours....do you think opportunities will come by everyday? Where is the ministerial UK and US solidarity with the Danes and the Germans...but it's all talk.

The Administration has made vaguely supportive speeches talking about "the enemy", but this is very lukewarm given that embassies are being burned and people are being killed.

It's not just the Administration who needs to act here, its our entire society. We should be protesting in the streets. Every paper in every state/province should be printing these cartoons, and reporting on the sorts of cartoons that Islamic papers print that have horrible caricatures of Bush, Blair, Sharon, the Pope, Jesus, "the Jews", etc. Our news should be reporting that Muslim books have included drawings of Muhammad and no-one seemed to mind.

Keep in mind that U.S. entry to WWII was very reluctant, and only happened after Pearl Harbor. We will wake up, eventually.

I don't agree with Naseem on much, and I don't really care whether she wants a global caliphate ('cause it ain't gonna happen, period), but I think she made some very good points in this post.

In times of war, enemy aliens are either interned or repatriated to their country of origin. This happened on a large scale during World War II. It is a lawful, relatively humane action given the overall craziness of war.

However, people of Japanese background were incarcerated in large numbers throughout the West. These people were in many instances citizens or long-time residents. They were largely loyal or at least law-abiding. Their incarceration was in the main unjust. It is this type of injustice that many of us would like to avoid. But let's not forget that we're at war. Osama bin Laden and his ilk have not forgotten.

Moslems consider themselves to be members of the Ummah, the community of Islam. This sets the stage for a conflict of loyalties. Nevertheless, if they swear allegiance to the country of residence, obey the law and refuse to aid and abet those elements seeking to undermine lawful government, there is no reason to deport these people. If, however, individuals are convicted of seditious acts, not only should the full weight of the law come down upon them, but their families should be considered enemy aliens and either incarcerated or repatriated to the Moslem country most closely affiliated with the family's background. In cases where the country of origin is in doubt, nationality can be established by the International Red Cross/ Red Crescent.

Matt,

The purpose of WWI was to teach us that mutual defense treaties are a really bad idea.

Granny

Thread is getting a little bare but

Naseem posted

You have done yourselves no favours....do you think opportunities will come by everyday? Where is the ministerial UK and US solidarity with the Danes and the Germans.

It is this that makes me think that Naseem is not who she/he purports to be - and here I'm not just thinking of gender.

Chatillon

I have posted for a long while that an exchange of populations, muslims in the West with persecuted Christians in muslim nations is a just and least bloody solution. Hard though this is to stomach, it is by far the most benign solution on offer. Else look forward to a most bloody civil war, with partition of Europe along confessional lines a distinct possibility. If OTH one sides has total victory, the loser will either be evicted or worse. Meanwhile Christians in muslim nations will be slaughtered in any case.

Yeah, it's convenient to call "fear of a new world order", "paraniod","Christian psychobabble". Yeah, sure it is.
I'm waiting for the law that certifies and codifies such talk as "dangerous and irrational", and will justify sending such people to "re-education(treatment)camps(facilities). The same thing could happen to those who speak the truth about Islam. Don't believe it? Well, either you are living in a resistant State, or you think the Psychotheraputic State is a good idea. Where I live, it's just a matter of time.

Too bad the Objectivists are generally "Atheists".
And I myself am a non-believer, though I am not an "Objectivist" either.
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Talk of the U.S.A. defying the U.N. concerning Iraq is meaningless, as if that completely refutes everything else that has and is going on. Maybe to a simple mind it does. No one claims that there is total agreement among the elites, or that the system is already up and running. It may or may not happen in my life-time, but as things are going, it will happen.

As for these issues not being important to understanding the Jihad. Au contraire, they have much to do with the Jihad. Bin Laden and Co. can see what I see, and they know the corruption of Islam means it's death. In fact, resistance to the New World Order is by and large the trigger of the Jihad. And in Islam there is a built-in counter-strategy that challenges it. So we have two totalitarian systems at war, the one is cruel and primitive, the other is soft and seductive with a more sophisticated method of ensuring conformity.

There is the talk of "literalism'. As if that is a bad thing. Where in the past the word generally had it's negative connotation related to METAPHORICAL sentences and stories, FUNNY how that has been transferred to statements of fact,truth or law. Yes, that is VERY INTERESTING. What this means in actuality is that ANYTHING that is written down is actually MEANINGLESS if it contradicts an alternate or opposing view. In other words, anti-literalism is a tool or tactic upon which to PRETEND that those words written down on a piece of paper do not really mean what they say, and conveniently, the anti-literalist can tell us what they "really" mean, which of course, supports the anti-literalists view.

So, if anti-literalists(like leftists and Pragmatists) achieve power, everything written before them can be "re-interpretated"(where "interpretation" is unnecessary and in fact is SUBVERSION), even to the point of being the anti-thesis of the ORIGINAL MEANING.

This is what they hope to accomplish with Islam. Islamic scriptures are obviously meant to be taken literally, and has instructions to do so within it. In other words, Bin Laden and Co. are defending truth and reality, though at the same time they are defending an oppressive system that is based on a metaphysical idea. Therefore the only truth/reality-based defense against it(Islam) is to destroy the metaphysical idea, the root itself. Anything else is based on lies and deception, and freedom certainly is not the objective, though there would be an increase in some freedom(there). But at the expense of truth and reality, which means truth and reality-based freedom ELSEWHERE(here) will see a DECREASE.

Anyways, glad to see some other perceptive people here...

Profitsbeard:

To answer your question: a 30.06 and 357 are a start. But two arms of each caliber are better so if you use up your ammo for one caliber you have multiple other arms to use.

Naseem:

As to armed Americans it is over 180,000,000 of us and we will use our arms to defend American and the free world from domination by Islam. The majority of Islam was not alive during WWII so you do not understand the abilities of America and the free countries of Europe to withstand and overcome the Islamic hate and intent to conquer the world.

Islam is a cult of hatred and degradation that will see its end. Be assured that there will be a war with Islam and a war like none ever seen on this earth from the beginning of time.

You continue to foster the misbelief that Islam is all powerful and will devour the world. Germany tried to twice and Japan once. Both were bomb into new kinder gentler nations. Japan learned quickly that the death of 100,000's of their citizens from US nukes to save innocent Americans was sufficient for their total and unconditional surrender.

How many Muslims will die before the nation of Islam sues for total and unconditional surrender?

Muslems do not protest and riot in American because Muslims are cowards and will not face a foe that will stand up to them and meet them with the necessary force to end the conflict

Years ago, a group of Texicans in the Alamo faced overwhelming odds against the Mexican army and killed to be free until the last Texican fell in the Alamo. These men and women were from all races and all countries, but understood and loved what freedom means.

The Mexican army was then defected by a smaller army of Texicans.

Bring it one. 1.3 billion Muslims is meaningless to us.

Americans across our great nation are ready for the war with Islam for our freedoms.

We will not go silently into the night.

We will crush and defeat Islam.

The war with Islam is fastly approaching and it is near.

Be prepared, be ready.

The Texican

It is better to fight and die free than to ever live under Islam.

Freedom or Death.

Naseem wrote:

"Amrikans will convert to the point that within 4 decades a muslim president will be in the white house...and that is only one step away from the caliphate being in the white house."

Naseem, there hasn't even been an Italian president yet, but that's sure to change soon.

Rudy Giuliani for President anyone?

That'll end this 'caliphate in the USA' idea forever, I can promise you that, but you can go on living in your fantasy land, Naseem.

A Muslim U.S. president...I'm still laughing over that comment...

I warn you all:
Don't believe Rumsfeld! The American Establishment is pro-Islam & pro-Iran. Iran's two biggest rivals were the Taliban & Saddam. We got rid of both of them. Now Iran is infiltrating the Iraqi Shi'ites. If we leave soon Iran will take over and Rumsfeld will write memoirs explaining how our "mistakes" helped Iran.

Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran www.daneshjoo.org

Visit the web site above and support the Students in Iran who wish to overthrow the "mad mullahs" Do it NOW!!! Take is cheap now is the chance to do something constructive!

Why doesn't the MSM tell you about the goings on in Iran, maybe because it makes Islam lool bad?

By the way, three more protestors in Iran were PUBLICALLY hanged today, that makes five this week.

A Muslim U.S. president...I'm still laughing over that comment...

Don't laugh, Forehammer. The thing about these Moslems is that they breed like flies. All that scowling and screaming breeds the love bug.

Ever notice Naseem's frequent absences? If she's not Fitzpatrick in drag, then she's probably pumping out Moslem babies, conveyor belt-style.

The Moors were allowed freedom of worship and the possession of their mosques. Their laws were respected, but their magistrates must submit to the authority of Castile (i.e., NO SHARIA LAW.) They were free to preserve their language and costume. Possession of their property was guaranteed them, and the right to dispose of it as they might see fit...

Such were the magnanimous conditions that Isabel and Fernando offered their vanquished enemies, and the Moors accepted without much hesitation. The date for the formal surrender was fixed at January 2, 1492.

Isabel's eyes, very blue that day, were shining with triumph and joy. All her own struggles and sufferings, all the pains and labors and bloodshed of her kingly ancestors, all the wounds and death of the thousands of Christian knights who had fought so doggedly for the recovery of this sacred soil, all the shame and agony of Christian women and children who had perished befouled in Moorish dungeons--all the mighty epic of Christian Spain was consummated and justified in that glorious moment. The faith of a woman had prevailed."

(From William Thomas Walsh, "The Last Crusader-Isabella of Spain".)

Well, Isabella, I see it didn’t change. You still don’t have a clue about anything like back when we talked of crusades. This is the funniest, and at the same time the stupidest thing I have ever seen. But it is not surprising you say such idiocies when you read a book like this one written by a clown who apparently wants to make look that Christian Europe was the example of civilization and that it was actually the Muslim one who was in the dark ages. “The Moors were allowed freedom of worship and the possession of their mosques”? “Magnanimous conditions”?

No later than 1499, the moors were coerced into conversion, and those who refused were deported to Africa or eliminated. In 1500 the cardinal Cisneros of Granada proudly stated that “There is now no one in the city who is not a Christian, and all the mosques are churches". 200 years later, even the Christian moors were deported as well. As for the Jews, they were deported / forcefully converted the very same year of the conquest of Granada. And so Christian Spaniards screwed up what had been 700 years of cohabitation between Muslims, Jews and Christians, with its ups and downs. In not even one year. And this was ordered by the very same Isabella depicted in such an emotional way. How pathetic.

And you identify yourself with her, you said? You are hilarious.

“Wow. A woman kicked the Muslims out of Spain. Proof that one Spanish woman has more brains that 100% of Muslim men.”

Yes, especially considering it took Christians 10 years to conquer the tiny Muslim kingdom of Granada, which at this moment barely represented 10 % of the whole Iberic Peninsula territory. This is because of the difficulty of conquering it that the Catholic Kings (Fernando was the king, do you really think Isabella was leading the armies?) offered this fake treaty to the Moors, who thought they would hold their word and surrendered. But they broke it the very same year.

Next time, before making comments about the brain of Muslim men when you don't seem particularly bright yourself, search your info in accurate sources and you won't make a fool of yourself.

As for the rest, I agree with Naseem , although I am less optimist than her about how much time it will take for Islam to become the dominant religion. In any case, in a relatively short period of time, Islam WILL be followed by a significant part of the US and Europe citizens, both naturalized immigrants and native converts. Muslim vote will go for democrats, a complete change in politics will occur and the deranged ideas that are expressed in this site will lose any chance of being undertaken (not that they have many right now).

I think you guys have no accurate idea of what is coming to you. Let me explain, just in case :)

UK – majority of converts are women:

http://www.themodernreligion.com/index2.html

Scotland – woman embraces Islam, converts her husband, her family, and 30 neighbours:

http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Islam/islam35.htm

Of course, you may ask “BUT WHY THEY CONVERT IF ISLAM OPPRESSES WOMEN OMFG???” well, one explanation is they like being oppressed. Another, more plausible, is you have no f*** idea of what you talk about.

Women in Islam vs Judeo-Christian tradition:

http://www.islamworld.net/compwomen.html

Yeah, some Christian women don’t like to believe they were responsible for the original sin, and all these things.

A Muslimah’ view on veil:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7368/w_hj_jewel.htm

Satan’s death cult progress in Rwanda!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html

The myth of the religion of love, confirmed:

http://www.katolsk.no/nyheter/2001/06/11-0003.htm

“Despite all of the ills of Muslims everywhere, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion on earth. Professor Huston Smith of the MIT in his book, "The Religions of Man" says, "In some areas where Islam and Christianity are competing for converts, Islam is gaining at a rate of 10 to 1."

Good luck in turning back Islam death cult, guys, you have a lot of work ahead of you! HA HA HA!

Ispanan-

Dream on! Muslims in the U.S. have been eerily quiet since all this started; I think they're scared to death. The U.S. is not Europe, and Islam is still a tiny, minority religion here.

And as to women not wanting to be associated with Original Sin, you believe that the Quranic alternative of being regarded as naturally inferior, "like dumb animals," is better?? Blecchh!! I'm not a Christian, but I'd rather be treated like a sexually ravenous, intensely curious specimen of homo sapiens (which is kind of how women have been branded throughout the Old Testament)than an inherently inferior member of same species with far fewer brain folds than the male.

And BTW, I'd be willing to bet that in battle, Isabella of Castile could have beaten your prophet, Mad Mo, with one hand tied behind her back and without promising her troops virgins in heaven.

Hi Ispannan:

Can you explain something to me, clearly, so that I understand: what in your view is the significance of Islam purportedly being the "fastest growing religion?" Type slowly if you think that will help me understand.

Offhand, "fastest growing religion" sounds a little like a marketing campaign, "McMohammed's: Over 1 Billion Served." Are we to hope that there's a special incentive for those who revert early? A free burqa perhaps? Or is the incentive to be part of the trend, to catch the wave: "Don't be the last on your block to revert!"

If a billion lemmings or more were to run off a cliff into the sea because they thought they could swim across it, would the last lemming be an infidel if he refused to go along with the rest?

One last thing: what do you really know about what you would so eagerly replace?