Spencer: Cartoon Rage vs. Freedom of Speech

In FrontPage today I discuss the latest cartoon rage developments:

Muslim rage over cartoons of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad published in early October in a Danish newspaper continues to grow worldwide. Here they are:

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These cartoons are much less offensive than what is routinely printed in every American newspaper about presidents, presidential candidates, and other pols. Yet strange as it may seem to Western non-Muslims, the rage over them seems to grow with each passing day “” until the global scale of the response to it has now involved ambassadors from many countries, the United Nations, international boycotts, and the threatening of utterly innocent businesspeople and embassy personnel. A few recent examples:

“¢ Gaza: On Monday, gunmen seized an EU office, demanding apologies from Denmark and Norway (where another publication later reprinted the cartoons). On Tuesday, demonstrators chanted “War on Denmark, death to Denmark” as they burned Danish flags. Said Islamic Jihad leader Nafez Azzam: “We feel great rage at the continued attacks on Islam and the Prophet of Islam and we demand that the Danish government make a clear and public apology for the wrongful crime.”

“¢ Arab interior ministers, meeting in Tunis, declared: “We ask the Danish authorities to take the necessary measures to punish those responsible for this harm and to take action to avoid a repeat.”

“¢ Libya and Saudi Arabia recalled their ambassadors from Copenhagen, while in Saudi Arabia, an angry mob beat two employees of the Danish corporation Arla Foods, which has been subjected to a crippling boycott throughout the Islamic world — a boycott that has been endorsed by, among others, the Sudanese Defense Minister.

“¢ Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari complained to the Danish ambassador to Baghdad, while Danish troops were put on alert there after a fatwa concerning the cartoons was issued.

These incidents follow diplomatic protests from the Organization of the Islamic Conference, protests in Kashmir, death threats emanating from Pakistan, protests to the United Nations from the Muslim World League and other organizations, and more.

Even Bill Clinton has gotten into the act, decrying “these totally outrageous cartoons against Islam” and huffing self-righteously: “So now what are we going to do? … Replace the anti-Semitic prejudice with anti-Islamic prejudice?” Of course not, but his question is beside the point. The cartoons are not a manifestation of anti-Islamic prejudice: criticism of Muhammad or even of Islam is not equivalent to anti-Semitism. Islam is not a race; the problems with it are not the product of fear mongering and fiction, but of ideology and facts — facts that have been stressed repeatedly by Muslims around the world, when they commit violence in the name of Islam and justify that violence by its teachings. Noting, as some of the cartoons do, that there is a connection between the teachings of Muhammad and Islamic violence, is simply to manifest an awareness of what has been repeatedly asserted by Osama bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza, Abu Bakar Bashir, and so many others. Do all these men and so many, many others misunderstand and misrepresent the teachings of Muhammad and Islam? This question, as crucial as it is, is irrelevant to an ethical evaluation of the cartoons. The fact is, these and other jihad terrorists claim Muhammad’s example and words as their inspiration. Some of the cartoons call attention to that fact.

Ultimately, then, the cartoon controversy is a question of freedom of speech. As I wrote in mid-December: “As it grows into an international cause célèbre, the cartoon controversy indicates the gulf between the Islamic world and the post-Christian West in matters of freedom of speech and expression. And it may yet turn out that as the West continues to pay homage to its idols of tolerance, multiculturalism, and pluralism, it will give up those hard-won freedoms voluntarily.” Freedom of speech encompasses precisely the freedom to annoy, to ridicule, to offend. If it doesn’t, it is hollow. The instant that any person or ideology is considered off-limits for critical examination and even ridicule, freedom of speech has been replaced by an ideological straitjacket. Westerners seem to grasp this easily when it comes to affronts to Christianity, even when they are as sharp-edged and offensive as Andres Serrano’s Piss Christ or Chris Ofili’s dung- and pornography-encrusted Holy Virgin Mary. But the same clarity of thought doesn’t seem to carry over to an Islamic context.

Yet that is where it is needed most today. The cartoon controversy, insignificant and even silly as it may be in its origins, is an increasingly serious challenge to Western notions of pluralism and freedom of speech. The Danes have already begun to apologize, to the tentative satisfaction of Danish Muslim groups. But so far both the newspaper Jyllands-Posten and the Prime Minister have limited themselves to saying essentially that they are sorry if Muslims took offense, and that none was intended. If they go farther and “punish those responsible,” as the Arab Interior Ministers demanded, or treat the cartoons as a human rights violation, as a Belgian imam demanded, they will be acknowledging that lampooning Muhammad and criticizing Islam is somehow wrong in itself. Such a notion is just as dangerous for a free society as the idea that the Beloved Leader or dialectical materialism is above criticism. It is death for a free society.

Not only that. Muslim cartoon rage, having spread now all across the Muslim world, from Egypt and Sudan to Pakistan and beyond, also threatens to become the tinderbox that sets off a much larger conflagration between the West and the Islamic world than the present conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Muslim world was enraged over the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, and over reports last May that a Qur’an had been flushed down at toilet at Guantanamo Bay. But although there have been no killings in connection with the cartoons yet, as opposed to the Qur’an desecration scandal, the international scope of the cartoon rage makes those other sources of anger trivial compared to it.

About the Qur’an desecration riots in Afghanistan in which people were reportedly killed “” people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the alleged desecration “” I wrote: “The question here is one of proportionate response. If a Qur’an had indeed been flushed, Muslims would have justifiably been offended. They may justifiably have considered the perpetrators boors, or barbarians, or hell-bound unbelievers. They may justifiably have issued denunciations accordingly. But that is all. To kill people thousands of miles away who had nothing to do with the act, and to fulminate with threats and murder against the entire Western world, all because of this alleged act, is not just disproportionate. It is not just excessive. It is mad. And every decent person in the world ought to have the courage to stand up and say that it is mad.”

No one has been killed for these cartoons. But otherwise the same words apply today to the cartoon controversy. It is mad. It should be denounced as mad. The fact that Bill Clinton is the only American politician who has taken notice of this ongoing controversy, and that on the wrong side, is a travesty.

The free world should be standing resolutely with Denmark, ready to defend freedom of speech. Insofar as it is not defended, it will surely be lost. On Wednesday publications all over Europe “” in France, Spain, Germany, Italy, and Holland “” published the cartoons to demonstrate their support for this principle. But in a grim reminder of the dhimmitude and multiculturalist fog that still grips us, the editor of France Soir was fired for doing so. The defense of free speech and free thought will not be easy, and is not the matter of just a day.

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Comments

  1. says

    More cartoons here. This site is very funny.

    There are probably more cartoons of Mohammed being seen and created now than at any time in history. Talk about an own goal.

  2. says

    Hey, that ain’t Mo in the cartoon (7th one from top with a small pumpkin in his turban with PR stunt stamped on it) with glasses. That’s definitely Bill Gates. Is Microsoft offended?

  3. says

    Look guys, we could all do something positive here.

    Why don’t we all print these cartoons, and leave them all over the place: on park benches, on billboards, on buses, on trains, etc etc.

  4. says

    The weak minded Muslim men consider this a direct insult to their manhoods and have to yell and scream about this insult to their manhoods.

    They remind me of little boys in playgrounds throwing fits, but these little boys (Muslims) murder those that they think insulted them.

    When was the last time a Christian, Jew or other peaceful relegion murdered an innocent because of a film or cartoon about their relegion???

    There is no reasoning with Muslims. The Muslims continue to prove this every day.

    Wake up President Bush, you think Islam is a “noble” relegion… How many more innocents in America and across the globe have to die before you start waging war on Islam????????

  5. says

    I find it really amazing how incoherent radical muslims are.

    On one hand, take a close look at them, it’s inspiring:

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    Very sarcasticaly, I must say they inspire confidence, trust, peace, kindness.. hmm… poor them, they are being badly treated…

    On the other hand, they will react like kids when someone makes a cartoon depicting not only muslims but also other religious figures.

    I am sorry to say, but over-reacting to such a cartoon only confirms to me that these people are clowns… wtf…

    Give us a break, do something honest and constructive…

  6. says

    I also posted these on my site as well….
    http://www.jimgoism.blogspot.com

    As well as some interesting hate mail…

    I find it intereesting that the Liberals and the wako left has remained larly silent on this issue..

    Wasnt even mentioned in either cnn or msnbc this AM.. nothing not a peep…

    Apparently free speech is only free when it attacks jews, christians and Real regular mom and pop Americans..

    The Liberals know if they push this too far…
    The Muslims will retaliate…

    And they wont be suing but instead..

    SAWING the editors heads off..

    I will be interested in seeing how far the left pushes this…

    I doubt they will push too hard but maybe the left still has one bone in their spine left..

    Although i sincerly doubt it…

  7. says

    Jeez…what a tempest in a teapot. Besides the first one telling the matyrs that they ran out of virgins, the rest of them are not very funny nor are they very well done. Its a bit like being a kid, if you dont react to the teasing, the teasers would have quit a lot sooner. Based on the overreaction of the muslim faithful, I would assume that the cartoons will be a long running feature.

  8. says

    Counter Thoughts

    I read with disgust that NBC is planning to run “…The April 13 of Will & Grace episode [that] will mock the crucifixion of Christ…” Twice in a season – of some content specifically focused to offend religous sensibilities of some people. Why does a media group feel its right to antagonize? “Creative arts, first amendment rights” – yadda yadda, but, Why antagonize?

    A political commentary on a very real situation is one issue, as the original publication of these cartoons – and its suitable for the defense of “freedom of expression”. Today’s follow up with the euro-press is antagonizing. It serves no purpose in the line of free-thought. Its clearly meant to antogonize a group of people.

    Its not what I want to be part of – its not what the West is all about. Its certainly not what christianity is all about. There’s no need for provacation/anatognizing – even when its arguably deserved. I AM for democraticization, open free-speech, and its enforcement, by millitary means if necessary. I’m for the defense of democratic/republic principles, using force as necessary to defend it – but not for the petty and pointless antagonization of a people’s lifestyle – be it Christians, Gays, Liberals, Conservatives, and well, hard to say, even muslims.

  9. says

    This looks a lot like the Salman Rushdie affair all over
    again. I hope that this time around the West will have learned from what
    happened in 1989 and not cave in to the Islamists. Now would be a great time to
    take a stand against this overt attempt by the Muslims to impose their will on
    the rest of the world. To cave in would be a disaster. As Daniel Pipes pointed
    out in his book The Rushdie affair: the Novel, the Ayatollah, and the West,
    concessions will only embolden them as it did Ayatollah Khomeini. Pipe’s book
    should be required reading for all government officials of Western nations.

  10. says

    MikeMontana,
    Normally, I’d agree with you, but given the
    nature of mohammadanism, I think you are flat out
    wrong. Is it Ok to criticize Nazis, or should
    we leave their lifestyle alone to keep the peace?
    How about radical communists?

    The fact that mohammadans go into a killing rage when their pedophile prophet is kicked means
    we have to do it. That is what the West is about.

  11. says

    “Westerners seem to grasp this easily when it comes to affronts to Christianity”

    It is important to add the scores of outrageously blasphemous lampoons of Jesus, Moses, Christian ministers, Jewish rabbis, and even God Himself on top-rated American television shows such as The Simpsons, South Park, and Late Night with Conan O’Brien (Conan O’Brian is slated to replace Jay Leno in the coveted Johnny Carson seat of the Tonight Show). Not only are the lampoons on these TV shows far worse than those Muslim cartoons, these TV shows are far more popular and reach millions of viewers, and have for years and years.

    Personally, I find these lampoons often very funny and they don’t bother my sensibilities (as I am a secular agnostic). I am simply underscoring Spencer’s point — there have been in our culture innumerable instances in popular culture (as the above examples show) of what are, in effect, brazen blasphemies of Judaeo-Christian motifs, personages and symbolisms — and no Christians or Jews have acted like Muslims have at far less provocation.

  12. says

    “Behold Infidels for the hour of justice has come. No longer shall you disturb our lands, no longer shall christ be insulted for I shall go forth to conquer Mecca, and then I shall proceed to Medina, and then I will liberate Jerusalem, and shall tear down all houses of devil worship and in its place I shall build a house of God”.

    We need politician with that kind of courage.

  13. says

    hang on a minute MikeMontana – but the general mood amongst Europeans is HOW DARE THEY tell us what we can and cannot publish in OUR media. Totalitarian Islamists are telling us how to conduct ourselves in our free European society.

    we’re going to antagonise them even more as a result, the more the Muslim mob jumps up and down and cries like a baby. We’ve learned from the Rushdie affair.

    And if they dont like it, well they are very much welcome to get the hell out of Europe. Cos quite frankly, most Europeans are sick to death of Islam and everything it stands for.

    And also bear in mind, that a heck of a lot of Europeans are either atheist or agnostic. So, they can take their religious crap back to Mecca for all we care. The sooner the better.

  14. says

    HAHA, this is rediculious. Some one needs to get those printed in a Muslim newspaper some were in Iran or Saudi Arabia. Im a christian and i see people draw cartoons that make fun of Jesus all time. It makes me sad not angry. That part of world has the mantality of a 5 year old. Except they kill instead of bite and of scream. Getting those printed in a Arab news paper might help to rally the public that doesnt take offense in those nations to fight for more freedom. They are oppressed by their own leaders and they blame the rest of the world for it. While im am not for war and violence, i will still do what it takes to protect my freinds and family from some lunitics “Jihad”. From reading the history of their so called Prophet. Hes done nothing but mislead millions of people into believing Jesus was not the Son of God. He was told this by Gabrial? Please. Give me a break. I think this Muhammad was paid a nice little visit by Lucifer. Not Gabrial. So sad. Pray for these people.

    I work with a Chinese woman who was born in Indonisia. She told me a story once about the day before her daughters birthday in 1998. A large crowd of Muslims came to her town and started burning and looting chinese shops. Beating the men and children and raping the chinese woman. After they were done raping the woman they would lay down their carpet and pray to Allah. Tell me weres the nobility in that! My co-worker explained she has never been more frightened forher life. She cried and prayed to Jesus to keep her and her family safe. A few months later she was granted passing to America and was able to get her citizenship to stay. Thanks to Jesus our lord and saviour. =)

  15. says

    Mike,
    I have never watched Will and Grace. The report I read says, “When Jack’s fictional TV network, Out TV, is bought by a Christian TV network, [Britney]Spears hosts a cooking segment called ‘Cruci-fixin’s.'” I don’t know if the show is really making fun of Christianity or just lampooning bad taste in the same manner that the song “Plastic Jesus” does.

  16. says

    The best way to fight fire is sometimes with fire!

    There are hundreds of antisemitic, and hate cartoons published by muslim newspapers routinely that can be found on the internet. Most of them are directed at Judaism, they should be posted as well to show the incredible hypocrisy.

  17. says

    Its an interesting debate…

    When is free speech really free?

    If i create a cartoon and poke fun at a racial group…

    The ACLU would be all over me like flies on dung

    If i created a column that makes fun of sexual orientation .. that is called hate speech which you can be put in jail for…

    but if its pornography or drugs or homosexuality..
    This has to be allowed.. as its free speech…
    So is urinating on a US flag…

    I wonder if the liberals would be so forgiving
    If people in the west…

    Put a Koran in a can or urine (its art)..
    Put a Koran on the road and ran it over…
    Put a Koran in a toilet and called it freedom of expression…
    Put a picture of meca with dead bodies all over the place and made fun of it…
    Showed the liberals bent over in a pornograpic picture of being screwed by Islam…

    Would these be protected speech?
    Would the ACLU be so quick to go to court to protect this speech?

    Knowing full well the muslims will come after you and KILL you just like the film maker?

    I somehow doubt it…

    So again when is it free speech????
    I really dont know where the line is to be drawn.
    As one mans bread is another mans poison.

    This is going to be interesting…
    Although it could also start another WAR…

    World war IV started over a cartoon of a false prophet called mohammed….
    I wonder how history will judge this one?

  18. says

    Okay, pay attention again.

    Islam has 1.3BILLION followers worldwide. If the “majority” are peace-loving (I’m beginning to hate that cliche term) “moderates” then how come there are HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of protests and 100s of pages of news stories about Muslims claiming murdering innocents over cartoons is wrong?

    How come there’s not even ONE muslim calling for peace and tolerance?

    Wake up, Western leaders. Islam was never “hijacked”.

  19. says

    Dr. Pepper,

    Human nature shows that complaints and threats will only give these cartoon more publicity and that’s a good thing.

    I’m a devout believer and I often find religious humour funny. Although Christians, Jews, Hindus and others may object or even boycott blasphemy, it is only nut-cases who would threaten violence.

    Jesus and the Jewish Prophets often used humour, satire, and even sarcasm to make their points, while it appears that Muhammmed was definitely lacking any sense of humour.

    Unlike the brainwashed followers of Muhammed, Christians, Jews and other believers in normal religions, can take criticism because we’re secure in our Faiths.

    God has a sense of humour: after all, He made the duck-billed platypus!

  20. says

    Mike said:

    “Today’s follow up with the euro-press is antagonizing. It serves no purpose in the line of free-thought. Its clearly meant to antogonize a group of people.”

    Dear Mike, please try to be a little more informed before you spout off. ANYTHING in this world will seem ok if one never examines it, criticizes it, or put’s it to the test. How would you like to be driving around in a car that was never tested on the assembly line? Would it be reliable? Have you ever taken more than 5 minutes to study the intolerance, aggressive and reactionary nature of Islam throughout history? This site is called JihadWatch and for good reason, we’re watching the Jihad unfold this very hour.

    Mike said:

    “…but not for the petty and pointless antagonization of a people’s lifestyle – be it Christians, Gays, Liberals, Conservatives, and well, hard to say, even muslims. ”

    Oh, just a tiny minority of extremists ™ right Mike? My guess is that in the days to come, you will be learning much from this website Mike.

  21. says

    Lastest news from France:
    (I had decided not to get depressed with Islam stories but now I have got to react ! It is too serious what is happening)

    One French newspaper, “France Soir”, published the caricatures (yesterday). This morning, on the radio, I heard the Director had been fired.
    FIRED !
    I thought all the press would react and affirm that the press is FREE. But now there is a “debate” and one hears that the caricatures are “racist”. The French journalists don’t seem in a hurry to defend “France Soir”.
    Worst thing: the French Minister of Foreign Affairs said that “the press is free but it must not hurt people’s feelings”.
    First, why would a representant of the French Government express himself on the subject ? The press and the government are independant, I thought.
    Second HA HA HA… if the press was not supposed to “hurt people’s feelings”, then nothing would be published.

    Yes,it is something incredibly concerning: seems that France has renounced its old principle of Freedom of Speech. Even in the 19th Century, it was possible to laugh at the Catholics and the priests. Now, seems that there should be an exception for Islam.

    Another little detail: the French web site “France Echos”, which was very critical of Islam (the equivalent of Jihad Watch although less sophisticated), has been “closed”.

    I can tell you from what I hear on the radio and read in the papers: in France, people are SCARED OF ISLAM.

    I have a simple question for all the Americans here: do you think the Freedom of the Press is still defended in the US ? Are you worried as far as liberty of expression is concerned, in your country ? Please reassure me… and I swear I’ll get the American nationality because I am becoming quite worried here.

  22. says

    joiesauvage~

    I have only heard about this on the web. Not on talk radio or tv. That is why people are giving up on the mainstream media.

  23. says

    FOX is owned in part by the Saudis – thus the pro-muslim news wishing – I mean reporting.

    The MSM is worthless – the best they can report on is some schmuck who murders his family? As if that silly drama more important than the war against the West.

  24. says

    There are plenty of Political Cartoons on web site below for one to look at. I did not search all of them for religious overtones, but I did think their disclaimer should apply to any cartoon written by any newspaper in the world.

    http://www.aljazeerah.info/Cartoons/Cartoon%20Links/Cartoon%20links%202006.htm

    Disclaimer:

    Dear Readers,

    Opinions expressed in various sections are the sole responsibility of their authors and they may not represent Al-Jazeerah’s. In particular, Al-Jazeerah may not agree, approve, condone, or acquiesce any of the published cartoons.
    These cartoons represent reactions of Arab cartoonists to American foreign policy in the Middle East, Israeli occupation policies and practices in occupied Palestine, or policies and practices of Arab governments and Arab rulers.

    The main objective is to enable English readers all over the world, particularly in the US and Israel, to know about the impact of the policies of these governments on Arabs and Muslims.
    When people are more aware of the consequences of policies of their governments, cross-cultural understanding increases, which leads to a more just and peaceful world … That is the essence of the Al-Jazeerah.info Mission.

  25. says

    Who would have thought that some silly cartoons would have started such a flap that might eventually turn into a revolution? This episode gives us a very valuable opportunity to take a look at what we believe in and how far we are willing to go to protect those beliefs. The Moslems have made there intent known as to how far they are willing to go to prevent us from expressing ourselves, with, I’m sure, more to come. The multiplication of the cartoons is an indication that many people in the world are not so anxious to roll over and play dead. Thwarting Islam in it’s quest for world domination is a worthy cause and we are acquiring power through numbers.

    Never underestimate the effect of a plan whose time has come.

  26. says

    I think the Franklin Mint should come out with a commemorative set of “Cartoon Rage” coins, or better yet, decorative china.

    Collect the whole set!

  27. says

    The unlucky editor at the France Soir got fired on Ground Hog Day.

    Apparently the paper saw its shadow and now we’re going to get an extended Islamic winter. Swell.

  28. says

    I suggest a leaflet campaign. Drop these cartoons from the sky, plaster them on buses, storefronts, telephone poles, and splatter them on every website.

    Our message: The free world will not bow to allah.

  29. says

    Counter Thoughts – More

    Let me clarify. I reject Islam and its principles as practiced. The Danish newspaper was completely in the right for the publication of those cartoons – it is political commentary, free-speech, and clearly represents how the West views Islam.

    Frankly, moslems have to come to terms with accepting that “mockery” is a fundamental meaning of being western. Its a core aspect of christianity – we’re to accept mockery. Its a core aspect of an open society. Its just plain tough-shiite on the moslems if they dont like how we discuss ideas here.

    They can rage, parade, protest, burn flags, kill suunis, kill shiites all they want over how we discuss our views about them.

    Now, the point of my previous posting was more subtle. I will defend the right to discuss ideas – as the Danish orginal cartoon does. There can not be any rational defense against the general euro-press “me too” publication soley for the sake of aggravating the european moslems. What purpose is served? Isnt this the same euro-press that doesnt have the balls to say that the US-occupation of Iraq is a good-thing? Isnt this the same euro-press that cowers from saying that Western idealism is ideal for the western world (they constantly backpedal apologitically whenever some sub-culture appears to be slighted)

    Isnt this the same impotent europe that couldnt put down two weeks of rioting in Paris? The same europe that is so self-castrated they couldnt name the riots for what they were – Islamic Rage?

    The same european-press that reports every atrocity against Isreali civillians with some sort of excuse for Palestinians?

    So, my fellow readers, you’re all giving the ‘thumbs up’ to the playground bully-tactic of the ball-less EuroPress in their self-serving display of ‘freedom of speech and ideas”.

    The antagonizing of the european-muslims serves no purpose, and only goes to further the view of how self-serving and biased media reporting can be. If there was any real integrity to the EuroPress they would have put the muslims to task for every suicide bombing, every fatwah, every islamic act of atrocity in Africa, Southeast-Asia, Europe, America…

    -Mike

  30. says

    As a proud Jew, the only time I felt outraged in this country was during an episodes of The Simpsons. They had Homer SImpson out to be a Sephardic Jew. I can’t tell you how outraged I was. I boycotted the tv network and threatened Homer Simpson with bodily harm. I also threatened the cartoonist at the network. Just tongue and cheek.

  31. says

    joiesauvage,

    “Please reassure me… and I swear I’ll get the American nationality because I am becoming quite worried here.”

    We have to fight for our freedom of expression wherever we are in the west. If people like you, who are aware of the threat posed by Islam, leave France, this will weaken France. France needs people like you, Sebastien, and others.

    We need to keep coming up with clever creative ways of getting the message out there. We have the creativity and intelligence, but we need the courage and motivation. I think the cartoons, though flawed in some ways, were overall successful in waking up more non-Muslims about Islam. Let’s have more cartoons. But we need a more comprehensive, more subtle side to this that will work its way into the mainstream media.

    Look at us, using false names on the internet due to the threat of Islamists. Meanwhile, the Islamists can express their hatred and lies publicly with impunity. I for one am not going to accept this (along with many other things), and I am going to do everything I can to change this, not only for myself but for the next generation.

  32. says

    HA,HA,ha…These cartoons are priceless and a joy to behold-someone had the courage to stand up to murderous Mo. Indeed ‘the pen is mightier than the sword.’Sight of Muslim thugs dressed up as Ninja Turtles,brandishing their AK47’s with Death slogans will do little to reassure the West that ‘Islam is a peaceful,tolerant religion.’Am so impressed am off to buy some Danish products at supermarket.
    Surprised and delighted Dhimmi Europe found the balls to support Danish newspaper. What happened to U.S & U.K in solidarity with Danish bros…

  33. says

    My postion is clear, but one can see immediately more than words can describe by checking out jhihadwatch long-time regular Illustr8rg8r’s graphic of Allah greeting Mohammed.

    I urge you all to copy the graphic and send it onward. Leave a link and let others send it from there. Spread the word that we will have no more of this Islamic tyranny in the Modern world. When they don’t like it we must press further till they cannot but deal with freedom as it is. Let’s find the breaking point and pass it.

    This evening we will meet again at McDonald’s. Please leave your location so others can meet you. I’ll be in Vancouver, Canada at Main and Terminal from 7-9 pm.

    Voltaire, t-ham, baltic waves, many others have done this, and we will do so again. Free speech is great, but if you’re afraid to stand up and express yourself in public it’s not that free at all.

    The super graphic from illustr8rgat8r is here. It takes a moment to load. Please spread it around:

    http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/

  34. says

    Wretched Simpleton,

    Excellent link. I think the commentary below the article gives us a glimpse into how these people think, which shows some kind of strange brainwashing. GM sounds like he is waxing poetically but his mindset is illogical.

    Chatillon,

    Can’t stop laughing! “Apparently the paper saw it’s shadow and now we’re going to get an extended Islamic winter.” Priceless.

    USA Momma,

    You go girl! No, we won’t bow down to Allah.

    And Mike M,

    The problem is that the Moslems don’t think they have to come to terms with mockery. THEY think they’ve gotten big enough to DEMAND that we change the way WE do things. And that’s why it is so important to continue to insult them, even though it isn’t nice. The insults via the Danish cartoons brought to the surface the B.S. of Islam being a religion of peace. If they are so peaceful why aren’t they just laughing it off? My Catholic faith seems to be the last bastion where total abuse is looked at with a wink and a nod. But you won’t see the Catholics rising up in rage and beating up Moslem students at universities across the United States because that truly is against our religion.

    Something else, in Wretched Simpleton’s link above one of the posts under the article about over reacting to the cartoon incident expresses that fact that because these Moslems are so oppressed in their own counries, a boycott is one of the very few ways they can protest. Isn’t there something wrong with an ideology that admits it is oppressed and yet desperately clings to the belief system (Islam) that is oppresses it? These people need more help than I thought.

  35. says

    Mike,
    You ask what possible good may come from needlesslessly provoking the muslims?

    I often wonder why is the entire non-muslim not outraged over slaying of thousands of Christians in such places like Ramada? Thousands of Americans at their desks at the Pentagon, at their desks at the Twin Towers? Soldiers at watch on the USS Cole, or who could forget the 3 young Catholic girls with their heads severed by the Brotherhood of Peace?
    The “good” that may come from these cartoons, is that maybe it will break the spell of impotence..maybe finally trigger some response from us Americans and are European allies that enough is enough.

  36. says

    MikeMontana,
    “So, my fellow readers, you’re all giving the ‘thumbs up’ to the playground bully-tactic of the ball-less EuroPress in their self-serving display of ‘freedom of speech and ideas”.

    “The antagonizing of the european-muslims…”

    What’s not to antagonize about Muslims who follow Islam (Koran)? It’s not possible to avoid offending them. Their religion requires that they be offended by all kinds of things that we do. Women walking around in bikinis is oppression. Therefore they riot and kill people (Nigeria, Miss Universe Pagent). Drawing a cartoon of Mohammad is waging war against the prophet and Allah (this is given the death penalty), and stirring up sedition against Islam (penalty: slaughter). Did you know that non-Muslims, and certainly all people who are not of the Abrahamic faiths, are considered “unclean” (same category as pigs, feces, urine)? Disbelief in Allah and Mohammad’s revelations is the worst crime in Islam, worse than killing a Muslim (there is no penalty for killing a non-Muslim except if the non-Muslim is dhimmi or slave–property of Muslims; even then, only minor penalty).

    “…serves no purpose,”

    Wrong again. The context is that people are afraid of being killed for even commenting on Islam. Theo van Gogh was executed in cold blood by an Islamist who pinned Koranic verses to his chest and was in the process of trying to decapitate him when the police arrived. Van Gogh had helped make a film about violence against women in Islam, which is ordered as a religious duty in verse 4:34. These are brave actions to produce these cartoons. There isn’t anything any non-believer could ever say in the way of criticism that would ever satisfy mainstream Islamists at the present time.

    “…and only goes to further the view of how self-serving and biased media reporting can be.”

    Nonsense. The media in this case, by printing the cartoons, is doing a major service for civilization as we know it. For one, the huge Muslim reaction to this has woken up more non-Muslims about the threat we face.

    These cartoons were not just juvenile provokation. One cannot deny that was part of it. However, the cartoons contained accurate social commentary. They highlighted the subjugation of women, the violence of Islam, the use of terror (Islamists put that bomb on Mohammad; the cartoonist was just reflecting that reality), and the threats toward any person who has anything to say about Islam. Of course, Muslims didn’t use this as an opportunity for self-reflection about these problems with Islam. Instead, out of their enormous egotism and superficiality they chose to threaten and pressure and even physically attack Danes. They’ve threatened to destroy the newspaper’s building. They took it all as an insult instead of a wake-up call to improve and modernize their religion.

    Have you actually read the Koran, Mike? Do you know what it says about you? Here it is again:

    Disbelievers (non-Muslims): are “worst of created beings” (98:6), are “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55), are the worst beasts in Allah’s sight (8:22, 8:55); (Christians and/or Jews are) turned into “apes and/or pigs” (2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166); (idolaters are) unclean (9:28); “evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); the “wrong-doers” (42:45, 2:254, 5:45); evil-doers (42:44); they have no good in them (8:23); are “guilty” for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); on the side of Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); of the party of Satan (58:19); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); are partisan against Allah (25:55); “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); disgraced lives (22:9); hypocrites (4:61); have a “diseased heart” (2:10, 9:125); are ill (84:20); deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); deaf and dumb and in darkness, Allah sends them astray (6:39); have no sense (5:103); a folk who do not understand (9:127); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60); liars/they lie (2:10, 9:42, 16:39, 16:105, 59:11) “losers” (7:179); foolish and liars (7:66), liars and losers (58:18-19), in false pride and schism (38:2), the lowest of the low (95:4-6).

    This is what Muslims hide from us while they whine about CARTOONS. There’s a big difference between a holy book, which is meant to be accepted as eternal truth, and a set of cartoons, which is for fun and to provoke thought.

  37. says

    sonofwalker,

    Hey, thanks for the multiple postings of the illustration, for the kind words on it, and for spreading the link around. Today’s been an entertaining day watching the posts, reading the multiple articles, checking out various links, and watching the muzzie-wuzzies get all stirred up. Very entertaining, indeed!

    Also, if anyone has links to the Arab papers and their cartoons of equally blasphemous and shameful artwork directed as attacks on America, Israel and Jews, go ahead and post them, keep them on file, and be sure to wave them around if anyone attacks you in return for exercising your right of expression.

    To all of the artists everywhere: create more! Draw and paint until your fingers go numb! My impression of good ol’ Mo took over a week in my spare time, but it’s the one thing I’ve done in a long, long time that I feel was worth doing –and you’ll get satisfaction from creating Mo pictures too, I guarantee!

    I drew the image that I drew because I wanted to make something very visceral, something that shocked, and something that encompassed many items …such as the 6,666 verses of the Qur’an in the right hand of Mo. Kinda devilish, don’t you think? I don’t know if there are too many people (especially infidels) who know of this. I’d imagine that Christians looking in Revelations and coming across the “Number of the Beast’ might be more than a little bit interested to note this fact from Islam.

    Just use your eyes and put two and two together. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to add up the many humanitarian atrocities committed by this “religion’ to find the devil.

    -illustr8rg8r

  38. says

    Whilst many muslims never need an excuse to wreak havoc they go into an absolute frenzy if given the chance. These cartoons are the latest example – time to stand firm and not frantically back pedal with apologies etc in fear of Theo Van Gogh’s fate.

  39. says

    MikeMontana wrote:

    “[I’m] not for the petty and pointless antagonization of a people’s lifestyle”

    It’s hardly pointless, Mike. It serves to illustrate the fundamental incompatability of Islam and Western Civ. The 2 are matter & anti-matter — they cannot be mixed, cannot be reconciled, and cannot live in peace together.

    It demonstates the suicidal folly of allowing mass Muslim migration to the West, and it shows the folly of thinking we’ll change them by force and democracy. Were they not in the West this cartoon tempest would be meaningless — ditto were we not in their lands pointlessly antagonizing them with futile efforts at reform.

    If you don’t want a violent reaction then don’t mix baking soda & vinegar. Let us get out of their faces, and them out of ours. Muslims out of the West, and Westerners out of Islamic lands. Good fences make good neighbors.

    And the first step to a sane de-escalation of this needless conflict will be the West flushing Liberalism down the toilet.

  40. says

    It’s an honor and a privilege to be able to post here at JW/DW, and I want to thank Spencer for. We do more than express our varied opinions here: we give each other ideas and challenge each other to excel whereas otherwise we might sink into a stagnation that is Islamic. To counter Montana Mike’s postition requires that we know of it. Spencer gives us that chance.

    The illustrations we post and link to in their ways give our Muslim cousins a similar chance to examine their beliefs and attitudes. They don’t like being awoken from their dogmatic slumbers, and that’s unfortunate for them. But it is important that they either do so or accept the the ummah as a whole will lie fallow and die out if they do not come to terms personally, individually, with a new world that does not care if they live or die. Nature is not concerned about the lives of anyone. I am, and we are. If by shaking the ummah, by slapping them in the face they are forced to confront their lives in this world they might come to realise in time that they are dying. We cannot, as humanitarians, as common decent people, allow people to slowly slide away into oblivion and death simply because a small minority of liberals in the Western suburbs have the idiot idea that we should not impose our norms on them. Who are these liberals who make this decision for the world’s people? I say more antagonism, more challenge, more reality. Yes, more cartoons and more confrontation.

    Thanks to Spencer this is possible for us and for our Muslim cousins. In the long term this is a life saver.

  41. says

    Robert:

    Bravo to you for posting these cartoons. I will be giving a khutbah today (my second one) and am attempting to tackle this issue. I still have not figured out what my approach will be in arguing that these cartoons are no less offensive then Qur’anic depictions of Christians and Jews as apes… That is the real problem with Islam, that I cannot find ammunition from within the Qur’an to argue against the response…

  42. says

    Consider the precedent that caving in to these threat of violence. Diverse countries have implemented hate-speech laws that are, in reality, not enforced against Muslims that are free to say and do anything against non-Muslims in the West. In addition non-Muslims are spoken against and treated with a disdain that would be hypocrisy IF that behavior was not recognized to be mandated in the Koran and by the words and behavior of Mohammed and his early followers.

    All of us are threatened by these people and we must take a stand to prevent further erosion of our rights and freedoms. Unfortuantely tolerance toward Islam has made diversity intolerant toward non-Muslims in our own lands. Certainly Muslim majorities in Muslim lands should be able to set standardars, however odious, that conform to their culture, BUT they should not have the right to do so in non-Muslim countries.

    Muslim migrants should have known the mores and mindset of Westerners before they came here. They should return to Muslim lands and take converts (reverts) with them if such standards are incompatible as we are not in a mind to make accommodations that will erode our rights and privileges. Period.

  43. says

    illustr8rg8r said:

    Also, if anyone has links to the Arab papers and their cartoons of equally blasphemous and shameful artwork directed as attacks on America, Israel and Jews, go ahead and post them, keep them on file, and be sure to wave them around if anyone attacks you in return for exercising your right of expression.

    The good folks at “Palestinian” Media Watch have already done the work for you, just see here for a full gallery of anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-Israel, anti-U.S., anti-Pope, etc. bigotry. We don’t go beheading anyone, we just keep good records.

  44. says

    From Michelle Malkin

    ***11:20am update…I’ve just learned that the NYSun published two of the cartoons in today’s print edition…will post scans if I can get them…bravo!…scan posted below…***

    I have contacted several newspaper op-ed editors urging them to run the Danish forbidden cartoons along with my column this week.

    So far, all have declined.

    Now, via a tip from Sissy Willis, I learn that the Los Angeles Times (of all papers!) is planning to run the cartoons this weekend.

  45. says

    to all the bloggers above who criticized MikeMontana’s post, I think you missed the real and important point he was trying to make: after decades of being the dhimmis, are we to fall all over them with accolades for having finally drawn “a line in the sand”?

    Perhaps he chose his words poorly by using “needless” with regards to the closing of ranks around the JP cartoons, as opposed to the issues they should be tackling:

    “If there was any real integrity to the EuroPress they would have put the muslims to task for every suicide bombing, every fatwah, every islamic act of atrocity in Africa, Southeast-Asia, Europe, America…:”

  46. says

    good point waterdragon – maybe the Euro press should republish all those Middle East anti-semetic cartoons, to put things in context.

  47. says

    Archimedes:

    “We have to fight for our freedom of expression wherever we are in the west. If people like you, who are aware of the threat posed by Islam, leave France, this will weaken France”.

    Indeed, you are right. But something which would sadden me more than being assassinated by an angry Muslim would be to be called a “fascist” by normal people from my country. That would hurt my feelings as much as some Muslims have been hurt by the cartoons. And in France,anybody who dares criticise Islam and the Muslims is immediately insulted and lowered to the sad status of “fascist” and “racist”.

    Not everybody is a hero, Archimedes… not everybody has the courage to be unfairly insulted. But I agree with what you say, one should not leave one’s country, one should fight. Indeed, look at us, on this site, spreading our frustration without telling our names !

    However, I still believe there is more room for ideas in the US than in FRance, because the US is a bigger country with many different communities and many diverse opinions.

  48. says

    This shows how fanatical and intolerant Islam is. I wasn’t offended by B. Kliban’s cartoon “Jesus turning water into urine.” At least they’ve taken a break from threatening the U.S. for a change.

  49. says

    Haidon,

    Thomas? NZ?

    Perhaps the issue needs to be broached with this thought:

    There is disparity in the interpretation of the prohibition. Some state that it involves only statues, while others argue that it involves drawings of any and all animate objects (not just Allah, or Mohammad, etc.).

    What interpretation do the members of your mosque subscribe to? Do they know there’s inconsistency in the interpretation?

    From that, as you can see from the drawings, not all are of Mohammad. Number four isn’t even of identifiable animate objects. And of those that are, the last one simply cannot be viewed by Western minds as insulting.

    So, perhaps the questions for others at your mosque are:

    Do they believe that non-Muslims are subject to the same prohibitions that Muslims are? Of course, no matter what their answer may be, we aren’t. And, do they view that last drawing (done by a non-Muslim) as blasphemous? Or can they live with it?

    In essence, what’s the bottom line? Are they aggrived by those drawings that Muslims would likely view as insulting? Are they irritated that non-Muslims do not adhere to Muslim beliefs? Are they really offended by that last drawing?

    And how do they view all of the really nasty cartoons that immigrants to NZ have seen all of their lives back home?

    Some thoughts.

  50. says

    Mr. Haidon says:

    “That is the real problem with Islam, that I cannot find ammunition from within the Qur’an to argue against the response…”

    And if you ultimately fail to find that ammunition, what will your position be? If you find instead that the Qur’an supports “the response” are you prepared to go and “defend” Islam like your violent co-religionists? I’m not referring to the boycott here.

  51. says

    Yes non-beliver must total respect Islam and not make any image of the Prophet and European and western have no respect for any religions which is than sign that western civilization is in it final terminate stage of exsitance. They have no mortal value left at all. I never willing insult any religion on purperf. I have many moslim in america which there are over 12 million willnot any Danish goods or than reduce the buying of European good expect from France as France owner of that paper fired supid mangention editor.

  52. says

    From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4673908.stm)
    “France Soir’s editor, Jacques Lefranc, was dismissed by the paper’s French-Egyptian owner in response to criticism from Muslim groups.”

    ‘French-Egyptian owner’? Could he possibly be a M**lim?

    I emailed a number of UK papers on Tuesday evening asking them to publish the cartoons in the name of free speech. While driving home the next evening I heard the news man say that ‘newspapers all over Europe’ had published them. I cheered! I punched the air! (I nearly caused an accident…) Unfortunately, it was nothing to do with me, and no UK newpaper has had the balls (so far) to support free speech. Perhaps tomorrow will be different.

    Meanwhile, as Voltaire suggests, let’s circulate these cartoons as widely as possible. Let everyone see the contrast between these ‘insulting’ cartoons and the daily atrocities committed by those who claim to be so offended.

  53. says

    Didn’t they do the same thing in Africa a few years ago and where was the left then?? I remember a story about something about offeneding mo-ham-od oh no wait a min. it was a beauty contest that had to be moved and 1200 people dead later??

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=article&id=1726
    Arabs Recognized Israel – 1919
    by Chuck Morse
    December 20, 2002
    Feisal accepted the British Balfour Declaration of Nov. 2, 1917, which afforded recognition to a Jewish national homeland, and agreed with the Zionist delegation, stating, “All such measures shall be adopted as we afford the fullest guarantee of carrying into effect the British Government’s Balfour Declaration.” Emir Feisal confirmed this determination in a March 3, 1919 letter to Harvard Law Professor, and later US Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter, to whom he wrote: “Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted by the Zionist organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as modest and proper. We will do our best, insofar as we are concerned, to help them through. We will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home.”

    In exchange for Arab recognition of Israel, the Allied powers, in 1919, agreed to the eventual sovereignty of almost 20 Arab states, covering vast oil-rich lands, after a period of mandatory oversight by European powers. The Europeans would proceed to draw the borders of their respective mandates and, in essence, create the system of Arab states that would emerge out of the remnants of the old Turkish Ottoman Empire. In 1922, a couple of years after the Conference, in a land for peace deal, the British would split Mandatory Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish Mandate using the Jordan River as the line of demarcation. The Arabs were granted East Palestine, or Transjordan, which would later become Arab Jordan while West Palestine, or Cis-Jordan, would become the Jewish National homeland of Israel.

    SOMETIMES IT IS GOOD TO LEARN FROM HISTORY??

    LOOKS LIKE LAND FOR PEACE HAS ALREADY BEEN TRIED AND FAILED??

    http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/uda/
    The Influenza Pandemic of 1918
    The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as “Spanish Flu” or “La Grippe” the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster

    http://www.plymouthbrethren.com/balfour.mv?bf=1
    The Balfour Declaration
    The Balfour Declaration was an official statement issued on behalf of the British government in 1917, announcing its support in principle of a proposed home for the Jewish people in Palestine. It was drafted by British Foreign Minister Arthur J. Balfour in concert with prominent Jewish leaders and the British cabinet and was issued by Balfour in the following communication to the 2nd Baron Rothschild on November 2, 1917:

    This declaration, which Zionists interpreted as a promise for a Jewish state in Palestine, was formally approved by representatives of the Allied governments at Versailles in 1919 and was the basis of the League of Nations mandate for Palestine.

    I watched a show on the history channel this past week-end about the Bible on the book Revelation seams most got it wrong. Most said the only thing it [the book] could have been talking about was nukes? Well they did not take into account we did nuke Japan 2wice and killed how many 190,000 if that? Well just in the last few years over 300,000 mulsums have died from floods and earthquakes? ALL for Insurance claims? An act of God.!!

    If we look at history we will see over 50,000,000 dead not in an act of war but an act of God! In 1917 there was a promise to the Jewish State by the world called The Balfour Declaration., BUT, this agreement was betraded by those who made it and 50,000,000 died around the world by the Flue??
    Then just 30yrs later again the world screwed the Jewish People and this time the world lost 60,000,000 people?
    So yes war is a way God acts as well REMEMBER He hardened Pharos’s heart 10 times and brought many deaths!

    Also Remember that a new Flue is coming and this yellow curse will destroy many will the mulsums let their world be 100% destroyed because of the Palestine’s look’s that way to-me. The palis bring a curse upon the whole mulsum world who support these monsters of hate and destruction!!!
    So those of little faith of course would say it could not be God but man. So I say they are WRONG! All you have to do is look at the #s in the last few years in the floods and earthquakes over 300,000 mulsums dead!!!
    The big Q? is ? Is the world again breaking a promise to the Jewish People like in 1917 and how many will die like in 1918-1920?

    Saudis and Qutar will give will give the palis 33 million? Wonder if they know ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] #2 is hiding with the palis in Gaza?? Well if the Russians want the palis to have aid let them and the arab states pay it??

    Yes fuel for cars can be made with grass clippings and even banana peals too so my Grandfather told me years ago anything that rots can be fermented??

    Seams palis bug infested fruit not selling and is spoiling? Yes even in the Qu-ran it talks about how mulsums can’t farm what will they do can they eat Black oil??

    EU leaves Pakistan seams their 90 days have done their help for 90 days! WONDER IF THE PAKIS SAID A THANK YOU FOR HELPING ALL THOSE POOR PEOPLE??

    My heart is with the Polish People over their loss..

    How many Americans Died in the yr 2005 of Car accidents??

    http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=12099
    Cartoon Rage Grows Worldwide
    by Robert Spencer
    Posted Feb 01, 2006
    OH READ THE WHOLE THING YOU ARE SO RIGHT MR. SPENCER

    To take such offense, to withdraw ambassadors and call for boycotts, and above all to attack innocent people because of some cartoons is not a reaction to prejudice. It is madness. It should be denounced as madness. The fact that Bill Clinton is the only American politician who has taken notice of this ongoing controversy, and that on the wrong side, is a travesty.
    The free world should be standing resolutely with Denmark, ready to defend freedom of speech. Insofar as it is not defended, it will surely be lost.

    BUT AFTER FINDING THIS IT MAKES A LOT OF SENCE ABOUT BILLY BOY??

    http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

    January 16, 1997
    Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base
    “‘There is no question that the policy of getting arms into Bosnia was of great assistance in allowing the Iranians to dig in and create good relations with the Bosnian government,’ a senior CIA officer told Congress in a classified deposition. ‘And it is a thing we will live to regret because when they blow up some Americans, as they no doubt will before this . . . thing is over, it will be in part because the Iranians were able to have the time and contacts to establish themselves well in Bosnia.'” [“Iran Gave Bosnia Leader $500,000, CIA Alleges: Classified Report Says Izetbegovic Has Been ‘Co-Opted,’ Contradicting U.S. Public Assertion of Rift,” Los Angeles Times, 12/31/96. Ellipses in original. Alija Izetbegovic is the Muslim president of Bosnia.]
    “‘If you read President Izetbegovic’s writings, as I have, there is no doubt that he is an Islamic fundamentalist,’ said a senior Western diplomat with long experience in the region. ‘He is a very nice fundamentalist, but he is still a fundamentalist. This has not changed. His goal is to establish a Muslim state in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Croats understand this better than the rest of us.'” [“Bosnian Leader Hails Islam at Election Rallies,” New York Times, 9/2/96]

    WHAT THE MULSUMS ARE DOING IS FEELING FOR THE WEAK TO SEE WHO THEY CAN MAKE COWAR AND LOOKS LIKE BILLY’S GREED PLAYS TO THE TERRORIST…. TO SHOW THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BACKED THE WRONG HORSE FOR HE IS NOT A HORSE AT ALL BUT A WOLF WHO WILL EAT THEIR CHILDREN AS WELL AS YOURS AND MINE??

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183464,00.html
    French, German Newspapers Run Muhammad Cartoons
    Wednesday, February 01, 2006

    PARIS ” French and German newspapers on Wednesday republished caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that have riled the Muslim world, saying democratic freedoms include the “right to blasphemy.”
    The front page of the daily France Soir carried the headline “Yes, We Have the Right to Caricature God” along with a cartoon of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud. Inside, the paper reran the drawings.
    “The appearance of the 12 drawings in the Danish press provoked emotions in the Muslim world because the representation of Allah and his prophet is forbidden. But because no religious dogma can impose itself on a democratic and secular society, France Soir is publishing the incriminating caricatures,” the paper said.
    Germany’s Die Welt daily printed one of the drawings on its front page, arguing that a “right to blasphemy” was anchored in democratic freedoms. The Berliner Zeitung daily also printed two of the caricatures as part of its coverage of the controversy.

    I SEE THIS AS A GOOD THING!!!
    I’M HAVING DANISH CHEESE TONIGHT!!
    Yes Blue Cheese melted with Pasta UMMM GOOD!!

    WHO would have thunk the French way to go frogs!!

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND TOGETHER TO FIGHT THIS EVIL AMEN

    PS
    Well I hear that the Iraqis are sick and tired of these islamic terrorist and are starting to go after them??

    The last straw in Afaganistan was when a guy[islamic terrorist] dressed in a burka blew up on the road now that just aint right they are pissed because now their women will have to expose themself to stop the islamic terrorist??

    OT
    What happened to saddam[YELLOW COWARD FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD] did he go back to his hiddie hole we know he is a coward??

  54. says

    stopjihad.blogspot.com
    I do think the muslims are making this bigger than it should be, but i am very happy that the EU isnt intimidated by muslims just because their violent techniques,
    In the summer of 2005, an Indian artist sketched a mohammed picture and is in JAIL. THis is because the indian government is so scared of muslims.
    I hope the EU gives the Indian Gov’t power to stand up against muslims

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4699847.stm

  55. says

    DefenderOfMohammad,
    As has been said many times, this makes it
    clear that you guys worship Mohammad, the pedophile
    prophet, not God. Allah was just Mohammad’s sock
    puppet. Every time that pervert wanted sex or
    money, his sock puppet would tell him it was OK.

    No, you won’t stop seeing these images. More and
    more images of the pervert. Maybe they should be
    air dropped next time there’s a hajj, then there’d
    be a million dead mohammadans, without firing a
    shot!

  56. says

    Yes non-beliver must total respect Islam and not make any image of the Prophet

    __Islam is a death cult and deserves no respect and ditto for their so called prophet.

    Your “religion” is nothing but a rip off of Judaism and Christianity.

  57. says

    Given the lives of most of the major prophets, what stands out about the prophet?

    His violence, his lust, and his greed for money and power.

    Does that sound like a prophet of god?????
    Now, who approves wholeheartedly of lust, greed, and the desire for power?

    **Channeling church lady**

    Could it be, SATAN????

  58. says

    Interested, congratulations on your cartoon! I would like to draw one as well – my idea is

    Mo holding the head of Asma bint Marwan, a poetess who made fun of him in verse, with her

    mouth taped and an inscription saying: “That’s how I deal with freedom of speech”. I am not

    talented enough so can someone do it for me, please? Interested Interested?

  59. says

    Posted on the CNN website today:

    Muslims consider it sacrilegious to produce a likeness of the Prophet Mohammad. CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons in respect for Islam.

    I suggest that they are not showing the cartoons because they fear for their lives and have instead decided to abdicate their freedom of speech and live under the de facto tyranny of self-imposed censorship in strict accordance with shari’a. By this cowardly act, the CNN management spits upon the graves of the countless American heroes who have given their lives since the War of Independence so that the writers and editors of CNN can be free to express themselves without fear of violence. History will judge these cowards harshly and the present generation of Americans have every right to condemn them for so eagerly surrendering our freedom of expression to the Islamic tyrants.

  60. says

    SORRY
    DVD is ” Burried in the Sand The Deception of America”
    Can buy it online last time I ch-ed???

    Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

    ASK WHO THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE??

    Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”

    WATCH OUT AS YOU SAW VAN GOGH?? DID THE MULSUMS THERE EVER PROTEST THE KILLING OF THIS MAN??
    THEY DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM PROTESTING OVER RUMORS??

    Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy”a fierce slaughter”murdered, a horrible murdering.”

    THIS IS WHY MULSUMS ARE WHIMPS AGAINST THESE MONSTERS WHO KILL THEIR CHILDREN DON’T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN??

    Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”

    WHAT THEY ARE DOING TODAY YES INVADING AND ARE ONE WHO CRY RASIZIM?? WITH THE MONSTERS??

    Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'”

    ARE YOU ONE WHO SIDES WITH THE PALIS??FOR THEY HAVE THE YELLOW CURSE AND WILL BRING DOWN ALL MULSUMS!!!

    Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'”

    SPEAKS FOR ITSELF?? SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUT IS THE BOOK THEY WORSHIP!! 1300YRS OF WORSHIP!!

    Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, “Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, “By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, “Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”

    YEA KILL YOUR FRIENDS?? NOW WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT TRUST??

    Ishaq: 676 “”You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, “Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, “You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. “She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ “No,’ the Prophet answered. “Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'”

    SO IT IS A LIE THAT THEY DID NOT KILL WOMEN??

    Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

    ARE YOU LETTING THESE MONSTER BLAIR THEIR CRAP IN YOUR TOWN SHAME ON YOU?? WHAT ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN REMEMBER BESLIAN!!!

    Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

    LOOKS LIKE KILL TO ME??

    Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”

    Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”

    WHO YOU GOING TO TRUST?? YOU ARE BEING LIED TO??

    ARE ALL MULSUMS KILLER TERRORIST NO BUT CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE??
    WOULD YOU WANT A CHILD RAPIST NEXT TO YOU EVEN IF HE SAID I CHANGED???

    Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”

    TERRORIZE THEM??

    Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.”

    WHY DO THEY COME WEST THEN? BUT TO TAKE OVER??

    Qur’an 72:15 “The disbelievers are the firewood of hell.”

    AGAIN IF YOU ARE A NON-MULSUM YOUR WHO THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT??

    Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, “Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: “Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.”

    DON’T SEE PEACE HERE DO YOU??

    Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”

    AGAIN SEE THE LIES THEY SAID THIS IS NOT IN THEIR BOOK??

    Qur’an 9:28 “Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean.”

    THIS WOULD BE LIBS WHO DON’T BELIEVE IN A GOD??

    Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”

    SO THEY HAVE BEEN LIEING TO YOU!!
    SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU BELIEVE NONE OF THIS???

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    PS
    Yep looks like satan to me??
    and that poor woman Margret?

    But I aint the Church lady just love my SHORT SKIRTS!!

    And little sandels with bows wich i will be wearing agin in 2wks Broken foot looking great!!

  61. says

    DefenderofIslam, I respect your right to believe whatever you want to. I respect your right to worship how, when and where you believe it is correct to do so. I DO NOT have to ” total respect Islam and not make any image of the Prophet”. Only Muslims are bound by that. It does not apply to non-Muslims in non-Muslim countries. You must respect the beliefs of others, even if you do not like their beliefs or agree with them. We are not dhimmi. We are not foreigners in another country. Your Q’uran does not respect Jesus Christ, who said that He would be crucified, buried and raised on the third day, and who called God His “Heavenly Father”. Your Q’uran calls Christ a liar, saying “Allah has no sons”, by contradicting His words and by denying He died on the cross as He said He would.

  62. says

    More MikeMontana counterpoints:

    “…but not for the petty and pointless antagonization…”

    Again, it’s not “petty” and it’s not “pointless.” May the historical quick-to-anger, unmerciful, intolerant, hateful-from-birth attitude of Islam be apparent to all.

    “There can not be any rational defense against the general euro-press “me too” publication soley for the sake of aggravating the european moslems. What purpose is ‘served?”
    [&]
    “The antagonizing of the european-muslims serves no purpose,…”

    Why continue to bring up this “what is the point” argument when’s it’s clear that Islam is all about deception, and people need to see the true wolf behind the mask. The Cartoon rage is a good, clear, and needed method of awareness.

  63. says

    Let the ‘toons take over. The muslims are going looney over ‘toons.

    These ‘toons have had MORE of an influence in showing the muslim madness and psyche, than anything else I can think of. Go ‘Toons!

    BTW. Zombie over at LGF sent a great link to some work that he did. Anywho… I sent it to GlennBeck and guess what the first talking point was on his Nationally Syndicated show today? You guessed it… The ‘Toons!

    Go Toons!

  64. says

    Let’s just hope that these man-beast moslems don’t call for a fatwah on Bugs Bunny, Yosemite Sam, Daffy Duck and Mickey Mouse. And for mo’s (spit) sake, may allah SAVE THE MUPPETS! (especially Miss Piggy)

  65. says

    Fox news just did a gret 5 minute bit on the toons..showing them and interviewing the imam who added 3 bogus toons to inlame moslim opinion

  66. says

    the Fox interviewer asked the muslim toon peddler
    why he added the toons that werent originally in the paper..he said they came to him in hate e-mail..Fox asked him to provide copies of those e-mails ..he said he would ..but didn’t..

  67. says

    Any insult to the Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) is an insult to more than 1 billion Muslims and an act like this must never be allowed to be repeated,” Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in a statement.

    My tax dollars at work.

  68. says

    Included in the segment was footage of seething moslems burning what may have been Denmark flag
    and generally going berserk..fox then reported on the Frenchman fired by his newspaper for running the toons..
    Bravo, Fox!!

  69. says

    To the muslim poster above:

    I respect all religions. I do not respect any cult, but especially one so vile as islam. I do respect people who are, for various reasons, members of a cult, even your vulgar cult, provided they are decent and show respect for me. When you demand my respect “or else”, I respectfully invite you to kiss my backside.

  70. says

    That is the real problem with Islam, that I cannot find ammunition from within the Qur’an to argue against the response…

    Posted by: Haidon at February 2, 2006 03:41 PM

    WELL Tommy let me help you just alittle??

    You ask about the Qu-ran well if you can’t find it there ?

    BETTER to point to all the islamic countries who have the pictures of all them clarics and leaders all over the walls of themselves and how they must be hypricits??

    Yes to have an imagage of themselves better take them out too??

    No I see this is just a Bully tatic and this is how it should be approched and something that can be thrown back in their faces!!

    Just take a look around and show how it is them who are hypicrats just saw many pictures of men in Iran today on TV and Ham-as carries all the pictures of men or who ever AGAIN HYPICRATS and all the ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY TO HIDE WITH WOMEN] t-shirts again they make themselves gods according to the qu-ran yes AGAIN HYPRICRATS BULLY’S!!

    But you tommy I’m sure could make that point much better to your own kind??

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  71. says

    From FoxNews today:

    The director of media rights group Reporters Without Borders, Robert Menard, called for calm. “We need to figure out how to reconcile freedom of expression and respect of faith,” he said.

    No we don’t. Freedom of expression is just that. We don’t need to respect faith. If you don’t like the terms of our freedom of expression then you need to move to a country where you would be happy to “respect faith” and give up your freedom of expression. It really is that simple. I know that I am not alone in proclaiming that I am willing to kill and die to live in freedom than to exist under the tyranny of any creed that seeks to forcefully deny my self-evident right to free expression. This is the spirit of Liberty for which our ancestors lived and died and it is the same spirit that dwells in our own hearts. The Muslim world is welcome to challenge it at the peril of their most assured and complete destruction.

  72. says

    Fox round table..
    Mort Kondrake said newspapers shouldnt have published them as a matter of good taste..but said the muslims should look at vile anti Jew
    cartoons in arab papers..said the papers that
    published the mohammed cartoons were showing europes anti religious attitude..

  73. says

    Yes non-beliver must total respect Islam and not make any image of the Prophet and European and western have no respect for any religions which is than sign that western civilization is in it final terminate stage of exsitance. They have no mortal value left at all. I never willing insult any religion on purperf. I have many moslim in america which there are over 12 million willnot any Danish goods or than reduce the buying of European good expect from France as France owner of that paper fired supid mangention editor.

    Posted by: DefenderofIslam at February 2, 2006 05:23 PM

    **Caution.. another intelligent, gramatically correct and astute follower of the religion of death posts**. GUARD YOUR IP’s and ques.

  74. says

    Does anyone have a link to those 3 cartoons the Mohammedans faked?
    Would be interesting to post them too, since they are said to be a lot more ” inciting and insulting” to the pedophile ‘prophet’.

    And then shouldn’t we make the MSM aware of the falsehood distortions the Mussulmanicas are cooking up?

  75. says

    Any other Danish foods in the U.S. apart from candy, butter, cheese, beer?

    I bought Danish butter and Danish marzipan today — but I don’t really use butter, marzipan, candy, beer or cheese. Does anybody know of any other Danish foods/products available in the U.S.?

  76. says

    France Soir (French”Evening France”)

    Ironically, this daily newspaper published in Paris was formerly titled Défense de la France (“Defense of France”). It was founded as an underground paper during the German occupation of France in WW II. After the war it emerged as a mass circulation newspaper.

    Just which aspect of a free France do the idiots who sacked the Managing Director think they are protecting now.

    Yes, I am printing out all the cartoons and leaving them in as many public places as I can think of. Also little slips of paper with this sites URL. Oh, and I will be wearing my blue scarf EVERY Thursday.

    Vive la Revolution Blue.

  77. says

    apparently the muslims have really pissed of the danish and others…

    http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C

    is a danish mohammed photoshop contest….

    Man i will tell you something …
    You think the muslims were pissed off before..
    About 12 cartoons…

    Wait until they see what is comming down the pipe..

    And I am telling you
    NONE of it is Politically Correct
    NONE of it shows mohamed (Pork be on him) in a favorable light…

    I really wonder what will happen next…

    How far will this go..
    Because if you think the muslims were pissed off before wait until tomorrow

    Here is the link

    http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C

  78. says

    One thing the Muslim protesters don’t seem to realize — all this outrage might just provoke the creation of ever more images of Mohammed —

    It seems they object not just to the nature of the portrayals of Mohammed — serious Muslims also object to any artistic portrayal, in images, of living beings, except for maybe plants, is that right? Hence the preference for the abstract arabesque…

    I would still love to see a non-comedic, thoroughly footnoted graphic biography (like an adult comic book) of Mohammed, based entirely on the Sahih Hadith and the Koran

  79. says

    eduardo odraude –

    No, a blue scarf on Thursday is not Danish as far as I know. It is just, if I have understood things correctly from other threads on this site, the day on which blue scarves are worn to protest against the Mahommedan hordes attempted invasion – especially in MacDonalds, I think.

    By-the-way, either the broadband provider that I use is clogged solid tonight or, and this seems just as likely, they have blocked access to this site. I have had to use a backdoor dial-up connection to get here. My broadband provider is Tiscali so if anyone else is using Tiscali and not having problems I’d like to know.

  80. says

    Wow, jingoist! That’s some hot stuff on that site!! Politically incorrect is putting it very mildly. Good to see people maintaining the rage. I wish I understood the language but many of the images don’t need words to explain them.

  81. says

    I would still love to see a non-comedic, thoroughly footnoted graphic biography (like an adult comic book) of Mohammed, based entirely on the Sahih Hadith and the Koran

    Posted by: eduardo odraude at February 2, 2006 09:37 PM

    then this may be the site for you??

    http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html

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    PS
    It can be done in other lang.

  82. says

    I see
    http://www.france-echos.com/
    is SUSPENDED still. I wonder if it was done by his provider or by his country. Anyone know? I guess it got too much attention.

    And, FINALLY, 4 national media and 2 talk radio discussed this tonight for the first time. I was thinking they never would mention it at all. The BBC guy called the muslims burning and threatening in the middle east hotheads. I think that was a mild term but at least it got talked about.

    No wonder the koran forbids images of Mo, he must have had a vision of photoshop.

  83. says

    Solidarity with the Journalists

    Lets show our support for the journalists and for the ever so precious freedom of speech we enjoy in the West. Everyone should post these cartoons on their webpage or blog.

    No one in the Muslim world could value freedom of speech as much as we do because freedom of speech does not exist in the Muslim world. Remember Salman Rushdie? Remember Taslima Nasrin?

    Lets not let the Jihad against free speech gain a single inch.

  84. says

    And this from the BBC ~ Try, try, try again…

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/4672792.stm

    BNP duo to face race hate retrial

    Mark Collett and Nick Griffin will face a retrial
    BNP leader Nick Griffin will face a retrial on two race hate charges after being cleared by a jury at Leeds Crown Court of two other charges.
    Party activist Mark Collett, who was acquitted of four similar charges, will also stand trial again on a further four race hate charges.

    Mr Griffin, 44, and Mr Collett, 24, had denied using words intended to stir up hatred in West Yorkshire in 2004.

    The jury was sent home after failing to reach verdicts on all of the charges.

    The Crown Prosecution Service later said it would proceed with a retrial over the outstanding charges.

    After the end of two-week trial, Mr Griffin was met by supporters and said the outcome was a “tremendous victory for freedom”.

    Their six speeches were filmed by an undercover BBC journalist for a documentary on the BNP.

    If the CPS feel they must continue to persecute us simply for telling the truth then we will see them in court

    BNP leader Nick Griffin

    Mr Griffin said the verdicts were a “fantastic day for the people of this country”.

    He said: “This evening, millions of people in Britain will be holding their heads a little higher and walking a little taller.

    “If the CPS feel they must continue to persecute us simply for telling the truth then we will see them in court.”

    Legitimate dialogue

    Mr Griffin, of Llanerfyl, Powys, had denied two charges of using words or behaviour intended to stir up racial hatred and two alternative charges of using words or behaviour likely to stir up racial hatred.

    He was acquitted of one of each charge in relation to one speech, but the jury failed to reach a verdict in respect to a second speech in which he called Islam a “wicked vicious faith”.

    Mr Collett, of Rothley, Leicestershire, denied four charges of using words or behaviour intended to stir up racial hatred and four of using words or behaviour likely to stir up racial hatred.

    He was acquitted of four charges, two of each, in relation to two speeches made at The Royal pub in Pudsey and the Falconer’s Rest pub in Morley, in which he described asylum seekers as “a little bit like cockroaches”.

    The jury failed to reach a verdict over two other speeches, in one of which Mr Collett said “let’s show these ethnics the door in 2004″.

    During the two-week trial, the defendants told the jury they were engaging in legitimate political dialogue about issues which concern ordinary working people.

  85. says

    Eduardo,

    In response to your request:

    I would still love to see a non-comedic, thoroughly footnoted graphic biography (like an adult comic book) of Mohammed, based entirely on the Sahih Hadith and the Koran

    may I direc to you to:

    Mohammed’s Believe It or Else
    It is a fully annotated biography of Mo’ with cites to the Koran and Hadith.

  86. says

    This is what now appears at the website http://www.france-echos.com:

    “Suite à de nouvelles offensives de harcèlement, France-Echos a été suspendu de nouveau.

    Cette offensive des islamistes et/ou de leurs idiots utiles relève du terrorisme, et complète curieusement les fatwas du Mrap et du Jihad Islamique contre la liberté de critiquer l’islam.

    Les méthodes fascistes de ces crapules ne font que trahir leur idéologie totalitaire. Nous ne baisserons pas les bras en face de ces ennemis de la démocratie et de la France.

    Heureusement, l’affaire des campagnes jihadistes contre les auteurs ou les éditeurs des caricatures de Mahomet révèle à de plus en plus de Français et d’Européens la nature et les objectifs de ceux qui croient pouvoir appliquer au pays de Voltaire leur charia talibane. Désormais les trois camps (islamistes, dhimmis, résistants au fascisme vert) se dessinent clairement.

    Nos peuples ont renversé le nazisme et le communisme, ils ne se soumettront pas aux ayatollahs de l’islam !

    Et PERSONNE NE NOUS FERA TAIRE, ni Mouloud Aounit, ni Dalil Boubakeur, ni les poseurs de bombes, ni les égorgeurs.

    J’invite donc tous les internautes à diffuser de partout l’enregistrement MP3 suivant :

    Messaoud Bouras, menacé de mort et victime de harcèlement et de terrorisme par des islamistes EN FRANCE, parce qu’il a apostasié l’islam (interview du 2 février 2006 sur France Info)”

    Note the following excerpt that describes the three camps into which the population of France, of Europe, of the Western world, can be divided:

    “Désormais les trois camps (islamistes, dhimmis, résistants au fascisme vert) se dessinent clairement.”

    Very clearly.

  87. says

    Babelfish.altavista.com did surprisingly good work on the French item Hugh just posted:

    Translation follows:

    “Following new offensives of harassing, France-Echoes was suspended again. This offensive of islamist and/or their useful idiots concerns terrorism, and curiously supplements the fatwas of Mrap and Jihad Islamique against freedom to criticize Islam. The fascistic methods of these villains do nothing but betray their totalitarian ideology. We will not lower the arms opposite these enemies of the democracy and France. Fortunately, the business of the campaigns jihadists against the authors or the editors of the caricatures of Mahomet reveals with more and more of French and Europeans the nature and the objectives of those which believe capacity to apply to the country of Voltaire them charia talibane. From now on the three camps (islamist, dhimmis, resistant to green Fascism) take shape clearly. Our people reversed the Nazism and Communism, they will not submit to the ayatollahs Islam! And NOBODY WILL MAKE US CONCEAL, neither Mouloud Aounit, neither Dalil Boubaker, neither the bomb planters, nor the stickers. I thus invite all the Net surfers to diffuse everywhere following recording MP3: Messaoud Bouras, threatened of dead and victim of harassing and terrorism by the islamist ones IN FRANCE, because it apostasié Islam (interview of February 2, 2006 on France Information)” Note the following excerpt that describes the three camps into which the population of France, of Europe, of the Western world, edge Be divided: “From now on the three camps (islamist, dhimmis, resistant to green Fascism) take shape clearly.”

  88. says

    But Hugh,
    Should we let them have this one??

    “Our peoples reversed the Nazism and communism, they will not submit themselves to the ayatollahs of the islam!”

    After all with out the USA I don’t think France would be France in my history books?

    After reading this I just want a little OH WELL OKAY YOU WERE RIGHT AND WE ARE WITH YOU NOW!

    CALL ME CHILDISH 😉

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4674656.stm
    3 February 2006
    Iran ‘has negative role in world’
    Iran is the country most widely viewed as having a negative influence in the world, with the US in second place, a new poll for the BBC suggests.
    The survey for the BBC World Service asked how 39,435 people in 33 nations across the globe saw various countries.

    BUT IN FRANCE?

    In France, 65% had a negative view of the US, up from 54% in the 2004 poll. In Britain the numbers went from 50% to 57%.

    SO YES CALL ME CHILDISH!

    I just don’t understand why the Russians will not admit they seam to be having the same problem with mulsums killing their people??

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4675498.stm
    2 February 2006
    Two killed in south Russia blasts
    Two people have been killed and several injured in three explosions in the city of Vladikavkaz in southern Russia, officials say.
    The blasts occurred within five minutes of each other at amusement arcades in the centre of the city.
    At least 13 people, most of them young, are said to have been injured in the explosions.
    Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, is in Russia’s restive North Caucasus region near Chechnya.
    Russian news agency Ria Novosti said that a man and a woman had been killed, citing North Ossetia health minister Aleksandr Reutov.
    One official said the authorities were treating the blasts as terrorism, but another suggested the blasts might be the result of a criminal dispute, AP news agency said.
    Vladikavkaz is in the same region as Beslan, where more than 330 people died in 2004 when pro-Chechen gunmen seized hostages at a school.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/3621698.stm
    Tuesday, 17 January 2006
    Regions and territories: North Ossetia
    One of Russia’s smallest regions, mountainous North Ossetia has fallen prey to the spillover from the violent unrest that plagues its neighbours in the volatile North Caucasus.
    This was starkly illustrated in September 2004, when armed attackers stormed a school in the town of Beslan. In the violent end to the siege 330 people were killed; more than half of them were children.

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  89. says

    Said Islamic Jihad leader Nafez Azzam: “We feel great rage at the continued attacks on Islam and the Prophet of Islam and we demand that the Danish government make a clear and public apology for the wrongful crime.”

    SHEEEZE! So much Rage [wonder where that comes from] but beheadings, rape and crucifixions are A-OK! make sense?

    Again you people have the adocity to say that the ‘Holy Bible is corrupted’.That is the core of blasphemy according to the Bible.Posted by: rafia

    They say so on the testimony of one lone accuser who wasn’t even there with Christ. Muhammad accuses all of the prophets and apostles – whose testimonies all agree – of being liars.

    Now what decent court of law wouldn’t throw out Muhammad? or slam him for slander?

    He is the accuser} Rev 12:10

    I think this Muhammad was paid a nice little visit by LuciferPosted by: jawknee

    I believe he did.

    Eze 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

    Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out [of heaven], that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    There are hundreds of antisemitic, and hate cartoons published by muslim newspapers routinely that can be found on the internet. Most of them are directed at Judaism, they should be posted as well to show the incredible hypocrisy. Posted by: Mackie

    Mackie? That’s an understatement!

    World war IV started over a cartoon of a false prophet called mohammed….Posted by: jingoist

    What a thought – huh? It’s pretty wild! [and – it is funny when we think about it] It’s not a sin to laugh. Although, I think that we better be laughing when God is:

    Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

    Please reassure me… and I swear I’ll get the American nationality because I am becoming quite worried here. Posted by: joiesauvage

    I don’t blame you joiesauvage. I feel for the European people who had no part in creating the present mess. Especially for the Beslan children. I’ll always remember what they did to those children. http://palestinename.com/frheartbreak.htm

    Bosnia is now a real nightmare for ALL of Europe – and there is a list of those who created it:

    Wesley Clark [NATO] the UN, The Clintons, Cananda’s former ‘elite’ Jean Cretien led the way with both guns a-blazin. Yet he is SOOOOOO against war when it comes to “Food for Oil money” deals. – Kerry. [I know I’m forgetting some]

    They were ALL in on it! Ever see this one?

    http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-bosnia_p3705,00.html

    If not – take the time to view it – the whole thing. Europeans who did not take part in the present mess – should be FURIOUS!!!

    It’s a nightmare – for all of Europe.

  90. says

    feralee ,et al-

    The “retecool” website is DUTCH, not Danish.

    Their disgust and outrage over the murder of Theo Van Gogh has clearly been simmering and this Danish cartoon “controversy” has blown their illustrative and satirical gaskets.

    I’ll try to translate the first few images and you can get the gist of the rest from the tone (commercial lampoons, or harsher):

    1)Mohammad is singing the praises of Danish ‘Arla Feta’ Cheese, saying:

    (first, strictly literally, you can see what the words mean in order:

    Only for Arla Feta haul I him [it] there [thus] out“,

    -and in regular English:

    I only get it out for Arla Feta.”

    (I’m assuming the “it” here means his virile member.. which find feta cheese Mo-erotic than other soft cheeses.)

    2) “Elke Dag een ander plaatje”

    “Every day {one more] another image.”

    3) “Tul Band Stopbush Bollen Bouleaux
    Tulband, als je in Kabul bent”

    “Tul Band -( a toilet tank detergent cleaning ball)

    “Tulband, [for] whenever you are in Kabul”

    4) in english already

    5) “Nieuw in Nederland De MoHa”

    “Echt varkenvlees, Lekker!”

    “Mag ik een MoHa met?”

    “New in the Netherlands- the Mo Ha” (a Ham meat “snack” fried corndog/fishstick like item)

    “Real pork flesh, Tasty!”

    “May I have a MoHa with… (topping)?”

    Etc., etc., etc.!

    The really scurrilous and sardonic ones come later.

    The knives image says:

    “SAW Knife set”

    “Indispensible for every Moslim household”

    And for the “Mo Hamster” [en] Kotex sale ad:

    “Mohammad Monthy Napkins

    72 items, one for every virgin”.

    To the Dutch satirists, I can only add:

    “Uitstekend, hoor!
    Hup, Holland hup!

  91. says

    Posted by: Beth at February 2, 2006 11:36 PM

    Gold Star for you today!!

    And Yes Clinton Knew and went into Kosovo any way??

    http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

    January 16, 1997
    Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base
    “‘There is no question that the policy of getting arms into Bosnia was of great assistance in allowing the Iranians to dig in and create good relations with the Bosnian government,’ a senior CIA officer told Congress in a classified deposition. ‘And it is a thing we will live to regret because when they blow up some Americans, as they no doubt will before this . . . thing is over, it will be in part because the Iranians were able to have the time and contacts to establish themselves well in Bosnia.'”

    READ THE WHOLE THING THEN GET REALLY PISSED BECAUSE NOW LOOK WHERE IRAN IS ALMOST WITH NUKS??

    The Iranian Connection
    Perhaps most threatening to the SFOR mission — and more importantly, to the safety of the American personnel serving in Bosnia — is the unwillingness of the Clinton Administration to come clean with the Congress and with the American people about its complicity in the delivery of weapons from Iran to the Muslim government in Sarajevo. That policy, personally approved by Bill Clinton in April 1994 at the urging of CIA Director-designate (and then-NSC chief) Anthony Lake and the U.S. ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith, has, according to the Los Angeles Times (citing classified intelligence community sources), “played a central role in the dramatic increase in Iranian influence in Bosnia.” Further, according to the Times, in September 1996 National Security Agency analysts contradicted Clinton Administration claims of declining Iranian influence, insisting instead that “Iranian Revolutionary Guard personnel remain active throughout Bosnia.” Likewise, “CIA analysts noted that the Iranian presence was expanding last fall,” with some ostensible cultural and humanitarian activities “known to be fronts” for the Revolutionary Guard and Iran’s intelligence service, known as VEVAK, the Islamic revolutionary successor to the Shah’s SAVAK. [LAT, 12/31/96] At a time when there is evidence of increased willingness by pro-Iranian Islamic militants to target American assets abroad — as illustrated by the June 1996 car-bombing at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 American airmen, in which the Iranian government or pro-Iranian terrorist organizations are suspected [“U.S. Focuses Bomb Probe on Iran, Saudi Dissident,” Chicago Tribune, 11/4/96] — it is irresponsible in the extreme for the Clinton Administration to gloss over the extent to which its policies have put American personnel in an increasingly vulnerable position while performing an increasingly questionable mission.

    YES NOW GET REALLY PISSED BUT GO TO THE SITE AND READ THE WHOLE THING THEN FORWARD IT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN!!

    2. The Militant Islamic Network (page 5): Along with the weapons, Iranian Revolutionary Guards and VEVAK intelligence operatives entered Bosnia in large numbers, along with thousands of mujahedin (“holy warriors”) from across the Muslim world. Also engaged in the effort were several other Muslim countries (including Brunei, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Turkey) and a number of radical Muslim organizations. For example, the role of one Sudan-based “humanitarian organization,” called the Third World Relief Agency, has been well-documented. The Clinton Administration’s “hands-on” involvement with the Islamic network’s arms pipeline included inspections of missiles from Iran by U.S. government officials.
    3. The Radical Islamic Character of the Sarajevo Regime (page 8): Underlying the Clinton Administration’s misguided green light policy is a complete misreading of its main beneficiary, the Bosnian Muslim government of Alija Izetbegovic. Rather than being the tolerant, multiethnic democratic government it pretends to be, there is clear evidence that the ruling circle of Izetbegovic’s party, the Party of Democratic Action (SDA), has long been guided by the principles of radical Islam. This Islamist orientation is illustrated by profiles of three important officials, including President Izetbegovic himself; the progressive Islamization of the Bosnian army, including creation of native Bosnian mujahedin units; credible claims that major atrocities against civilians in Sarajevo were staged for propaganda purposes by operatives of the Izetbegovic government; and suppression of enemies, both non-Muslim and Muslim.

    AND REMEMBER THIS REPORT CAME OUT IN 1997 AND HE STILL SENT THE USA IN IN 1999 TO KOSOVO

    NO THIS IS MORE THAN ABOUT SEX

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

  92. says

    Fox channel showed the cartoons during Brit Hume`s Special Edition,they actually had 2 whole segments about this issue,and the commentator seemed very critical of islam and their attack on the freedom of speech.

  93. says

    Thanks for the translation, profitsbeard.

    I’m getting the impression that this foofaraw has worked against the Muslims. More people are noticing the hypocrisy of Islam, making such a fuss over this but barely a peep at people being brutalized and murdered by Muslims. The fact that they are demanding that Western countries do as they say has really incensed a lot of people.

    From Islam’s appeasers, we hear little, if anything. After John Howard brought in our new sedition laws, the loonie left were howling and wailing at how freedom of expression was now dead. They claimed that political cartoonists would be under threat. Well, it’s come true, but … oh dear! … it’s not at the hands of the dreaded HowardHitler, but at the hands of their fellow Howard-hating, Jew-hating, US-hating best friends. How awkward for them.

  94. says

    This dustup once again emphasises the lack of tolerance that muslims have for peoples of other faiths. It also reveals their total lack of any sense of humor.

    If we cannot laugh at ourselves, then in whom can we find humor?

    I repeat my oft-stated warning: Watch out for the mohammedans; they are committed to taking over the world and will not stop until either they have done so, or are stopped by those of courage and principle who oppose dictatorships.

  95. says

    Strange thing. Muslims complain about provocation, yet they are masters of it themselves. Today in Rockdale (Sydney) I passed by a small mosque with HYDER ALI MOSQUE written upon it in big letters. I was surprised by the name, as Hyder Ali was an 18th century Muslim ruler in 18th century India who fought the British, he won a few battles, and lost a few. Whether this historical figure was a good or bad man is somewhat besides the point, (personally I think he and his son Tipu were tyrants, but that is another matter) let us just all agree that Hyder Ali was an individual that went to war against Anglo Saxon British Christians, and here are Muslims writing his name in big proud letters in an Anglo Saxon Commonwealth Christians country, where the Queen is head of state and the nation has a Union Jack on its banner. Is this their idea of diplomacy and promoting inter-community friendship? No, indeed the whole ethos behind it is quite symbolic of their dark intentions and anti-Anglo feelings. But of course Australians must accept such snubs with stoic good humour – we do of course live in a multicultural society – as they say. Oh, but of course such stoic good humour does not apply to the Muslim community, as when some beer cans are thrown at a few of them in Cronulla (after their young thugs spent years causing mayhem in the area) they of course react with burning Australian flags, beating people with bats, stabbing people, firing guns at a church full of children and burning two others. The same massive type of overreaction applies to these cartoons, even if the Danes did go too far (me thinks not by the way) are the death threats and trade embargoes a sane and reasonable answer? Are Muslims sane and reasonable?

  96. says

    Asif: In the summer of 2005, an Indian artist sketched a mohammed picture and is in JAIL. THis is because the indian government is so scared of muslims.

    Asif

    I don’t want to bat for any Congress regime, but this wasn’t the work of the Indian government. Law and Order in India is a state matter, and the State of UP is run by one of India’s leading Dhimmis, Mulayam Singh Yadav – also known as Mullah Singh Yadav. Since he was running things, the guy got arrested. Several years ago, when MF Hussein (appropriate initials, that) drew Goddess Saraswati in the nude, there were protests from the Shiv Sena and other Hindu organizations, but nobody went to jail.

    What India needs is a VHP government, without any of the BJP’s NDA allies, who were allies in the way that Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US.

  97. says

    Haidon

    “That is the real problem with Islam, that I cannot find ammunition from within the Qur’an to argue against the response…”

    Perhaps it’s time to look for superior sources of ammunition and inspiration for how us creatures of God can live in this world and abide with the patience of not having the arrogant presumption of God’s knowledge of when or how it will all end or of the 1,001 anal obsessive-compulsive rules & regulations for how to assuredly get there; perhaps it’s time to look for superior sources of ammunition and inspiration like George Washington, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Payne, Abraham Lincoln, Eric Voegelin, even Hobbes. Imagine a khutbah putting Mohammed at the feet of the Founding Fathers! A chilly day in Jahannam.

  98. says

    Fox round table..
    Mort Kondrake said newspapers shouldnt have published them as a matter of good taste..but said the muslims should look at vile anti Jew
    cartoons in arab papers..said the papers that
    published the mohammed cartoons were showing europes anti religious attitude..

    Today was a red letter day as far as coverage of this story went. FoxNews showed each of them prominently for a few seconds. Apparently, the Mohammedans have done a good job in doing what we couldn’t do – focus attention on their own fanaticism, without it being masked in the Palestinian issue, Iraqi democracy, Iranian nukes or any other camouflage issue

    On Savage, Bob Dornan, who was guest hosting today, covered the barbarism of Muslims in good detail, including slamming the Saudis for expelling anyone who would put a cross outside a tent. Only negative point about his commentary was his hope that “modern” Muslims, who just do the 5-prayers and charity but reject the negative aspects of their faith – apparantly, “modern” was his euphamism for “moderate”. The crowning moment came when the last caller of the day, who was an Assyrian Christian, pointed out that Mohammed married an 8-year(sic) old, as well as made his son divorce his wife so that Mohammed could marry his own daughter-in-law. This is something that needs to be heard beyond the packets hitting J/W, and this lady scored a touchdown.

  99. says

    Haidon,
    “That is the real problem with Islam, that I cannot find ammunition from within the Qur’an to argue against the response…”
    Posted by: Haidon at February 2, 2006 03:41 PM

    How are you going to deal with this honestly? There are some good verses, but overall the Koran preaches intolerance to disbelief and disbelievers. I was looking at some good verses that might be applicable, but according to some commentators they are abrogated by 9:5 and the verses supporting 9:5.

    Anyways, here’s some goodies (probable revealed order of the Sura in parentheses), I note the problems [in brackets]:

    (61st) 41:34 The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.

    [Problem: The cartoons in question are not an evil deed]

    (70th) 16:125 Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.

    [reason with them…sounds good so far…]

    16:126 If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted. But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient.

    [Make fun of/criticize westerners. Muslims already do that!]

    (74th) 23:96 Repel evil with that which is better. We are Best Aware of that which they allege.

    [the cartoons in question are not evil]

    (49th) 28:54 These will be given their reward twice over, because they are steadfast and repel evil with good, and spend of that wherewith We have provided them,

    [ …again the cartoons are not evil…]

    28:55 And when they hear vanity they withdraw from it and say: Unto us our works and unto you your works. Peace be unto you! We desire not the ignorant.

    [This last one, 28:55, might work. The “vanity” is of the prophet Mohammad and of Muslims themsleves. They must withdraw from this vanity]

    That’s not much, really.

    The Koran does condemn those who annoy, mock, malign the prophet and Muslims (33:57-58), and those who oppose Islam (War against God, or sedition) must be executed (5:33, 33:60-62). I don’t see how you can get around that.

    I think it would be better just to go through this list with them, explaining that Muslims don’t have a leg to stand on in being offended by the cartoons:

    Koran says that disbelievers (non-Muslims): are “worst of created beings” (98:6), are “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55), are the worst beasts in Allah’s sight (8:22, 8:55); (Christians and/or Jews are) turned into “apes and/or pigs” (2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166); (idolaters are) unclean (9:28); “evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); the “wrong-doers” (42:45, 2:254, 5:45); evil-doers (42:44); they have no good in them (8:23); are “guilty” for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); on the side of Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); of the party of Satan (58:19); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); are partisan against Allah (25:55); “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); disgraced lives (22:9); hypocrites (4:61); have a “diseased heart” (2:10, 9:125); are ill (84:20); deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); deaf and dumb and in darkness, Allah sends them astray (6:39); have no sense (5:103); a folk who do not understand (9:127); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60); liars/they lie (2:10, 9:42, 16:39, 16:105, 59:11) “losers” (7:179); foolish and liars (7:66), liars and losers (58:18-19), in false pride and schism (38:2), the lowest of the low (95:4-6)

    Disbelievers who do good works do so in vain, because they are going to hell anyway (5:5, 18:104-106, also 18:30, 33:19, 47:1, 47:32). Their works are as ashes blown away by the wind; they have no control over what they have earned (14:18).

    60:4 says followers of Allah will hate the disbelievers forever until they believe in Allah only.

    Conclusion: You need new material, Haidon.

  100. says

    “We cannot, as humanitarians, as common decent people, allow people to slowly slide away into oblivion and death simply because a small minority of liberals in the Western suburbs have the idiot idea that we should not impose our norms on them. Who are these liberals who make this decision for the world’s people?”
    –posted by sonofwalker

    Well said!

  101. says

    Dear Carolyn2 if you where to read than liberal newpaper like USA Today they research the percent of america population in early 2005 when the tribral wave hit south east asia as 3.5% and the number of moslim in america is increaseing faster than population growth. Also any person who want to become than moslim only need to declare his faith infront of two moslim witness either male or female there is no just thing in the Koran that a woman testiom is 1/2 of than man. An it can be kept secret than not record. Than other myth moslim woman arenot force to wear the headscraft, they only need to wear it when enter the house of God to pray. Many moslim women choose not to wear the headscraf when going out in public to premitt hate criminal from attacking phyical which this blog have too many of.

    To make the math easy for than person like you 3.5% of 300 million is 10.5 million moslim since Islam is growing so fast it is now about 4% of the america population so 4% of 300 million is 12 million some FBI agents believe it 4.5% which use 300 million figure for population mean 13.5 million moslim. In the city I live in there are moslim police officers and fireman.

    The Grand Raddit of French came out against there pictures that offender the Islamic Religion and he calling for laws in Euroe against attacking any religion. There is than different between than jew than a nationist Zionist Jew. Than regulate jew want to live in peace with they neightor and the zionist want to occupt land which isnot his in the
    first place.

  102. says

    I can’t think of any greater reason to go to war with Islam and the Muslems than to maintain our freedom of speech and the right to portray Islam, Mohemmad and the Muslims as we wish. If Islam and the Muslims do not like it they can go back to the Middle east or duke it out with us for we are not going to give up our right to freedom of speech for anyone.

    The liberal press in American needs to get some balls and print these comics on the front page every day.

    The Texican

    It is better to fight and die free than to ever live under Islam.

    Freedom or Death.

  103. says

    Last night British TV at last had the guts to show briefly the cartoons and guess what followed – crowds of angry Muslim men were shouting in front of the TV building” “Slay all those who offend our prophet!” and “Islam will rule Britian!” . If this is not incitement to religious violence (punishable by British law) then I am the Emperor of China.

    It is the Muslim Anger Day today – brrrr!
    I am sure they will be celebrating peacefully as it is RoP, innit?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4675462.stm

    “Mr Rasmussen has said the issue of the cartoons has gone beyond Denmark to become a clash between Western free speech and Islamic taboos.

    Bravo Boris Johnoson:

    “Former Spectator editor and Conservative MP Boris Johnson told the BBC the Muslim religion should not be treated with kid gloves.

    He said: “If you are a Muslim and your faith is strong and you believe in God and in your prophet then I don’t think you should be remotely frightened of what some ludicrous infidel says or does about your religion or any depiction he produces.

    “I think we’ve got to move away from this hysterical and rather patronising idea that we have got to treat the Muslim religion with kid gloves and not subject it to all the same rough and tumble that we subject other faiths to.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4675534.stm

  104. says

    “And in France,anybody who dares criticise Islam and the Muslims is immediately insulted and lowered to the sad status of “fascist” and “racist”.”

    –joiesauvage, at February 2, 2006 04:54 PM

    There is a similar attitude in Canada and to slightly lesser extent in the U.S.

    I think the main thing we can do is just keep trying to educate as many people as we can reach about the basic facts about the doctrine, history, and present status of Islam throughout the world. We are not nearly there yet. I know in Canada and the U.S., half the battle is just to get people away from foolish TV shows and spectator sports, to get them to pay attention to what is happening in the world. Once most people are more well-informed about Islam, the “racism” and “fascism” accusations will lose their power. We don’t have to show our names to get the message out, but the idea is to keep working at it until, eventually, we can reveal our names and criticize Islam openly.

    We should also very strongly condemn and argue with any politically-correct non-Muslim who would try to claim that we have no business criticizing Islam. At the same time, I think we need to look at the research on the social psychology of persuasion. This research will tell us what techniques are more effective than others.

  105. says

    …this is also a good opportunity for us to ask our politicians, locally or at higher levels, where they stand on this cartoon issue, and ask them what they would do to protect freedom of speech.

  106. says

    Saturday 3rd Feb sees Hizb-ut-Terror and their red/brown ‘axis’ having a demonstration outside the Danish embassy. I will be there opposite them. If you are in London and love freedom join me. After all,

    WE ARE ALL DANISH NOW!

  107. says

    I don’t know what “Grand Raddit” means, but Muslims breed like Grand Rabbits, which explains the rapid growth of your aggressive and nasty religion.

    You know why Christians don’t emigrate to Muslim countries? Because most are backward hell holes, and even if they did, they would probably get persecuted anyway.

    Do you know why Muslims don’t convert to Christianity in equal numbers in Muslim coutries? Because it’s illegal to convert and open Christian preaching to non-Muslims is banned. So I would not get too proud, all you do is exploit the freedoms Christians give you and deny all freedom to Christians or would-be-Christians amongst you. Then after you do this you preach to us about the rights of Muslims in the West!

    Oh yes, you’re so proud of the rapid growth of your religion are you not? 10 kids per family is it? In Bangladesh, Pakistan and Indonesia there are hundreds of millions of people alone – and these are not vast countries. All 3 could fit into one Australian state. In 30 years Bangladesh will not even be able to feed itself -don’t tell me about it, I’ve been there. And what of these large Muslim families in Europe? Half the youths don’t work; they feed off the nation states like parasites and then spit upon the people that shelter them. They riot, plant bombs or cause trouble over absolutely nothing. Hence this war over a couple of doodles in a Danish paper nobody had ever heard of!

    Oh so the Muslims DO want to live in peace with their neighbours do they? Then why does the Koran say:

    “Fight those who do not believe in Allah…nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”

    I could quote a 100 more verses, but this is as good as any I suppose.

    If (unlike Jews) Muslims want to live in peace with non Muslims can you explain to me why two churches were burnt in Sydney recently when not a single mosque was attacked? Can you explain why Muslims cause so much strife and terror wherever we go? You people are all thugs and bandits – you worship violence, hate and bloodshed. A few unkind cartoons is a million times less than you Satanists deserve.

    There is nothing noble about Islam.

    You proclaim your superiority, yet everything touched by Islam becomes corrupted, everything embraced by Islam is base, backward and barbaric. Even idyllic happy rich countries like Australia France and Denmark become riot torn wastelands under its malignant shadow.

  108. says

    Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights, Alvaro Gil-Robles, sent a warning advising not to allow the decision to combat Islamophobia to be forgotten.

    Reminding of Europe’s decision to “fight against Islamophobia” the commissioner said, “Freedom of expression, too, has its limits.”

    the underlying message here is that ‘íslamophobia’ is irrational and that all the attacks in Europe, in the USA, the middle east, and in Asia are no reason for being fearful of islam.

    the victim, according to the PC-mafia boss, is irrational for fearing the attacker

  109. says

    my humble appologies to the Christians and non-Muslims in the Darfur region of the Sudan, and in Nigeria etc…

    I forgott to add “…and in Africa” in my previous post

  110. says

    “Westerners seem to grasp this easily when it comes to affronts to Christianity, … But the same clarity of thought doesn’t seem to carry over to an Islamic context.”

    In other words the Liberals LOVE to affront Christianity, but hate to affront Islam.
    We have a Pro-Islamic establishment! (It’s not just Bill Clinton.) And this is one more proof. And watch them lie and tell you how great and peaceful Islam is.

  111. says

    At some point in the stage of a disagreement, there is a transition from non-violent processes (arguing, debating, negotiating) to violent ones. Islam is a clear example of an ideology that provides the impetus for the transition from peace to violence. Islam divinely mandates violence to punish the words and expressions of non-Muslims. Islam divinely mandates violence against all non-Muslims who refuse to surrender to Islam or Islamic law.

  112. says

    Thanks for the ayah Archimedes. I got my A*&ed kicled todaty basically. I argued from some of what you gave, i also discussed the fallability of the prophet as argued in the qu’ran… probably my last khutbah in wellington, nz. yeowtch.

  113. says

    To make the math easy for than person like you 3.5% of 300 million is 10.5 million moslim since Islam is growing so fast it is now about 4% of the america population so 4% of 300 million is 12 million some FBI agents believe it 4.5% which use 300 million figure for population mean 13.5 million moslim. In the city I live in there are moslim police officers and fireman.

    LOL, Muslim organizations only claim 7 mil Muslims are in America and even that is an exaggeration. The only independent study on the subject showed only about 2.8 mil Muslims in the US.Muslim groups who wish to inflate their numbers for political purposes were angered by the results of the study.A large number of Muslims in the US are members of the “Nation of Islam” a black seperatist group that preaches it’s own brand of Islam.In the teachings of the NOI blacks are the master race with all other races (including Arabs) being the creation of an evil mad scientist.The NOI founder Elijah Muhammed is also described as Allah’s last prophet.

  114. says

    Haidon,
    “I got my A*&ed kicled todaty basically. I argued from some of what you gave,”

    Who gave you the trouble? Sounds like they were not in the mood for those peaceful tolerant Meccan verses…(you presented those, right?)

    “…i also discussed the fallability of the prophet as argued in the qu’ran…”

    Yes, the Koran does say this, particularly where Allah forgives Mohammad’s past and future sins (48:1). Obviously that means he was fallible.

    Whenever I’ve discussed this issue explicitly with Muslims they will say that Mohammad was just a man, a messenger, not the deity, etc., but in practice I find they have elevated him to a level above that of prophet. Certainly this reaction over the cartoons suggests that many have elevated him to level of deity.

    “…probably my last khutbah in wellington, nz. yeowtch.”

    It was worth a try. Apparently, it’s too big of a step for them at this point. On what grounds do they (who’s they?) decide?

    I’ve been thinking that if radical reformation focussed on two key issues–(1)the freedom of open criticism and interpretation, and (2) the removal of any penalty for apostacy–then making progress on these two issues would open the door to solving many of the other problems in Islamic doctrine.

  115. says

    “Whoever defames our prophet should be executed,” said Ismail Hassan,

    “Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up,” protesters in Ramallah chanted.

    “If they want a war of religions, we are ready,” Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon

    “We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet,” they chanted. “Down, Down Denmark.”

    “Hands that reach Islam must be broken,” chanted a group of extremists outside the Merkez Mosque in Istanbul.

    Pakistan’s parliament unanimously voted to condemn the drawings as a “vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign” that has “hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world.”

  116. says

    Why should muslims be allowed to criticize, slander, defame, and threaten us on and on but we are expected not to make the slightest criticism of their “religion” even jokingly? Nobody is above criticism, especially a death cult bent on destroying civilization.

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    Dear Roxane that study of the number of moslim in america was done by than farright wing Christian group which automatic make it invalid. The USA Today
    give than more accurate lower limit of 10.5 million
    moslim in america.

    That Christian in Australia before you accue moslim of burning down churches in your cities consider it might every well be Christian that burn down those church. Than member of than church burn down than other church in my city an try to blame moslim for it. The police undercover the truth as the paster at the burm out church have no problem with moslim. The church burmer came from than christian church very hostile to non-christian religion. That church was caught in the past saying it alright to rape women wearing headscrat,there is than Christian sect in my city where all the women wear headscraft as than small jewish sect in my city dress very much like muslim woman do. In secret government repoet show that all 19 of 9-11 terrorist where death for two years before the attack of 9-11 it is very possible that
    than other nation was behind the attack.

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    I live in America. In my past when than Christian mu soon to ex-wife of many year back comitt prejury by accue me of brating her up very day than the newly elect DA believe very word of her without doing than
    inverestion of the charge. The police didnot believe her as when the first call came in I was eating in a
    resturant with the police officer who got the call saying that I sent than hour breating her up 10 miles away. I donot drive than car an since the buses in that country didnot run that late at night I would have to walk 10 miles to be at that resturant. The Grand intrict me for wife breating and issue than arrest warrent which the police bury in a desk draw. When her sister wrote than letter to the DA saying she never saw me breat her but saw her branging her face on the table while diroven me. That DA was very sorry about the whole thing since two special master of the court order him to undo the interiction which by state law cannot be undo, there is than banrch of law which isnot wriiten which correct injustive can inorge written state law. So the DA orkey the special master.

  119. says

    Dear Roxane that study of the number of moslim in america was done by than farright wing Christian group which automatic make it invalid. The USA Today
    give than more accurate lower limit of 10.5 million
    moslim in america.

    The study was commission by Muslim groups and done by an Arab.The Muslims were angry when the study produced the low number of Muslims in the US as they had hoped to use the study to raise the profile and political clout of Muslims in the US. The author of the study said that those who commissioned it tried to coerce him into raising the number of Muslims and became angry when he refused to lie.That’s why most people on this site know the real number of Muslims in the US which is about 2.8 mil as was proven by the study commissioned by Muslims. The number of 7 mil is a fictional number pulled out of thin air by Muslim groups.There is no proof whatever to back that number up.As I also mentioned a large number of Muslims in the US are members of the Nation of Islam.The best known Muslim in the US is Louis Farrakhan leader of the Nation of Islam and known kool-aide drinker.